GTA IV for PC

[zmoonchild]

 

I think pc gamers are just used to play games with high res/framerate.

No, I don't really put that much into resolution.

What I hated about my PlayStation was the fact that it didn’t use cartridges for the games, it used CD’s. Why?

Why slow down the process by having to load the game EVERY TIME! Cartridges make consoles operate much more quickly.

 

What brain-child thought it would be a good idea to have consoles use CD’s?

I’m assuming it’s a cost effective measure; meaning it’s probably cheaper to put everything on a CD instead of creating a card for each game, and then encasing that card inside of a cartridge.

It's all about profit for console manufacturers, not performance.

 

Also, there's no argument for PC's using CD's or DVD's, because PC games are treated like standard software applications; meaning the CD's are used for installation once, not every time.

 

I only ever played one game on that PlayStation, and that was about six/seven years ago; I haven’t played anything on it since.

Edited February 14, 2008 by zmoonchild

[SCLASS]

Moon, cartridges are waaay more expensive to manufacture, thats why, they also cannot store as much data. Think before you post.

[zmoonchild]

 

Moon, cartridges are waaay more expensive to manufacture, thats why...

I already said that.

 

 

Think before you post.

Why don't you heed your own advice, and actually read the posts before responding.

 

Oh… and congratulations, you made my Disrespect List.

[andylovesGTA]

While I will agree that the GTA games (and Max Payne) play very much like first person shooters, neither of them can be categorised as such.

 

Like you say technically you can't call GTA a FPS, however as you admit it plays more like an FPS game than it does a third person game like say Tombraider, which is the point DML was trying to make. I have to agree with that assertion too. I mean with a game like Tombraider that is just begging for a joypad (although the older games worked very well with keyboard) but GTA just enters a whole new level of enjoyment when using a mouse and keyboard.

 

 

PC is more tended to do high-rez graphics and enormous frame rates consoles are much funner.

Now this is where we have the problem, you may consider consoles funner, I have tried gaming on various consoles and to me they feel limited, frustrating, annoying and restrictive. Now perhaps if I had never grown up with computers and PC's I wouldn't have a problem. As I have said I have had 25 years of gaming on various PC's and if it was a choice between gaming on consoles or no gaming at all, I would choose no gaming at all. Consoles for me suck out any enjoyment that there might be had from gaming.

 

This is why I get angry with Rockstar they are holding back the PC release because their masters (aka Sony/MS) want to try and force as many people as they can to buy a console. If I want a console I will BUY one, I do not need to be coerced or bribed into getting one.

maybe if you played consoles just a bit, or more you would find out that it isn't frustrating and limited when you get in to it.

playing sports games like nba 2k8 or skate would be frustrating since... I got ya, if I'll say its hard you will reply by saying "you can add gamepad" but thats just bullcrap, PC gamers don't use them that much as they say, keybord is still the main option.

and there is nothing better than sitting down with your mates on a sofa and just have great time playing games.

I understand that most 1337's (I presume you are) don't prefer actual human contact, you better prefer screaming "leeroy jenkins!!!" via ventrillo or smth, with you gaming friends in Korea, but thats not my business.

 

as far as fanboyinsm and assholeism goes, this is the worst topic, some of you guys are worse than some PS3 fanboys.

 

I still prefer PC for singleplayer, like when I'm alone in the room, but when friends come over its 360 time for me. and I'm sure me and my friends have a blast when GTA IV comes out.

[DML]

 

I understand that most 1337's (I presume you are) don't prefer actual human contact, you better prefer screaming "leeroy jenkins!!!" via ventrillo or smth,  with you gaming friends in Korea, but thats not my business.

What the f*ck are you talking about? "don't prefer actual human contact"? Where did you get that from? I suppose you've obviously been getting your info from those anti-PC console f*ckheads that we see everywhere these days. You know the ones -- the ones that say that PC gamers are "anti-social", or "nerds" etc. Generalization at that level, is a weakness.

 

Just because someone prefers to use a PC for gaming, and doesn't appreciate companies thieving-off PC games, and then holding them ransom to achieve more sales for their console toys, doesn't mean that they don't know how to use a sofa, or that they "don't prefer actual human contact".

 

 

as far as fanboyinsm and assholeism goes, this is the worst topic, some of you guys are worse than some PS3 fanboys.

 

Console fanboy f*ckheads fight between each other over the petty few differences that exist between their little toys, when, with both the PS3 and XBox 360, they're both getting GTA IV anyway. PC gamers (or "fanboys" if you so wish to call us that) usually have a very good reason for aggressively correcting and/or abusing the hell out of certain companies, and people who don't know what they're talking about on issues like GTA etc, or the "negatives" about PC gaming.

[SCLASS]

Yeah moon, there WAAAAAAAAAY more expensive ok, profits over performance ! its called business,..., they cannot store gigs of data on a cartridge.

Edited February 14, 2008 by SCLASS

[SCLASS]

whos the one being offensive DML

 

 

petty few differences that exist between their little toys

 

 

 

What are you on....its quite amusing that none of you have actually discussed the game features recently revealed, but prefer to moan and groan. R* doesnt give a sh*t, you cannot make a difference, so go suck your thumb in the corner, it will come out on the pc when it comes out.

[zmoonchild]

Yeah moon, there WAAAAAAAAAY more expensive ok, profits over performance ! its called business,..., they cannot store gigs of data on a cartridge.

Reported

[SCLASS]

on what moon, I made my point twice.

[CharmingCharlie]

Now that wasn't a very nice post from you andylovesGTA. I showed you some respect and replied to what you said explaining my position. Not once did I insult you or insinuate you are some cretinous console kiddie, yet you have to go and insinuate I am some sad PC loner. You are obviously not interested in debating anything, I won't make that mistake again.

 

 

maybe if you played consoles just a bit, or more you would find out that it isn't frustrating and limited when you get in to it.

 

you obviously missed where I told you I have plenty of experience of consoles and found the frustrating and limited, I could gain another 10 years experience with consoles and they would still be frustrating and limited, it is their nature, it's why they are CHEAP.

 

 

playing sports games like nba 2k8 or skate would be frustrating since...  I got ya, if I'll say its hard you will reply by saying "you can add gamepad" but thats just bullcrap, PC gamers don't use them that much as they say, keybord is still the main option.

 

I can't comment on sports games or skate games, since I never play the things I have zero interest in basketball or baseball or anything else you do with your balls. Now you are quite correct that even though you can plug a gamepad into a PC, most PC users still use a keyboard and mouse.... Hmm I wonder why that is ??????? oh I dunno could it be because it gives them a better level of control

 

 

and there is nothing better than sitting down with your mates on a sofa and just have great time playing games.

 

I understand that most 1337's (I presume you are) don't prefer actual human contact, you better prefer screaming "leeroy jenkins!!!" via ventrillo or smth,  with you gaming friends in Korea, but thats not my business.

I am 37 years of age, which means nearly all my friends are 37 years of age to, infact I have one mate called Tonito that is pushing 40 years of age. Now here is the thing when you get to our age you don't want to sit on your arse playing games on a toy. When we get time away from our wives/jobs we don't want to waste it sitting around playing a crappy toy, we want to go out and enjoy fine food, nightclubs. Perhaps when you grow up and your balls finally drop, you might understand this. Oh for the record I don't do multiplayer games, the main reason being I usually encounter morons like andylovesgta on them.

 

 

as far as fanboyinsm and assholeism goes, this is the worst topic, some of you guys are worse than some PS3 fanboys.

 

I still prefer PC for singleplayer, like when I'm alone in the room, but when friends come over its 360 time for me. and I'm sure me and my friends have a blast when GTA IV comes out.

Hm you are in a thread about PC GTA of course you are going to meet people that favour the PC, I mean come on use some of the intelligence you are supposed to have. As DML says though PC fans generally are not spouting the crap that console kiddies like you spout and they are usually open to discussing things unless they are insulted, like you have done.

 

I hope you and your friends enjoy GTA 4 sitting on your couch, personally it sounds dull as f**k to sit there watching someone play a game, I mean I could understand you doing it when there was split screen, but there isn't even that anymore. So basically you and your friends are going to sit there and watch you play the game, sorry but I would rather go out for a meal or too a nightclub.

 

[[MM]]

Mass Effect is coming on PC this May

 

 

Optimized for the PC, Mass Effect for the PC incorporates the following features:

 

    * Optimized controls designed specifically for the PC.

    * High resolution visuals - Mass Effect for the PC features highly detailed textures,

      characters and environments.

    * Fully customizable controls - PC gamers can re-map the control scheme any

      way they like.

    * Run & Gun Control - Players can assign biotic powers or skills to 'hot keys'

      allowing them to play Mass Effect with a heavier focus on action.

    * New decryption mini-game.

    * New inventory screen GUI and functionality - The enhanced inventory system

      makes it easier for players to equip and modify their weapons and armor.

[DML]

...its quite amusing that none of you have actually discussed the game features recently revealed...

Ohhhhh sorry there little matey. It's kind of hard to get worked up over a game that we won't see until at-least the end of this year. I'd prefer to just keep out of the game-related discussion for the most part, and just focus on attacking Sony, Microsoft, and Rockstar. If you have a problem with me doing that...then have a cry, and then tell someone who cares.

 

 

R* doesnt give a sh*t, you cannot make a difference, so go suck your thumb in the corner, it will come out on the pc when it comes out.

 

Rightly so, and I don't plan on making a difference. In case you haven't noticed, that's the whole reason that I am as offensive as I can be, when attacking that very company over the wait that us PC gamers have to endure, if we wish to play GTA. Because what the f*ck are they gonna do right?

[SCLASS]

Ok I apologise, its just I dont like to hear the PS3/360 referred to as toys when there just a different, more casual medium to play games on. DML if you were in R* shoes what would you suggest ?, R* execs probably know EXACTLY how you feel , but other factors are forcing there hand, theyve had there plates full with getting to grips with the Console versions, coupled with feared piracy on the PC...

 

R* have to make decisions that are financially sound, what does the bulk of their target audience use to game ?, consoles ....is there a vocal minority that uses PC's? yes, and hopefully they will be catered for, but the necessity to feed the majority ( and of course, take their money,) takes precedence over a fairer platform release strategy.

[DML]

 

Ok I apologise, its just I dont like to hear the PS3/360 referred to as toys when there just a different, more casual medium to play games on. DML if you were in R* shoes what would you suggest ?, R* execs probably know EXACTLY how you feel , but other factors are forcing there hand, theyve had there plates full with getting to grips with the Console versions, coupled with feared piracy on the PC...

 

  R* have to make decisions that are financially sound, what does the bulk of their target audience use to game ?, consoles ....is there a vocal minority that uses PC's? yes, and hopefully they will be catered for, but the necessity to feed the majority ( and of course, take their money,) takes precedence over a fairer platform release strategy.

Well, I wasn't expecting that. You don't need to apologize.

 

The reference of the PS3 and XBox 360 being nothing more than "toys", is a generalization which I have a habit of using. That as well as a few others, are a problem, as they cause the discussion to become personal between users, and that is never my primary intention. In a post I made earlier, I discussed how generalizations are a weakness, and they are one of the reasons why their is such a personal divide between console gamers and PC gamers. A lot of users (me included) do need to break away from this urge to generalize.

 

I will say that, the PS3 and XBox 360 can be considered "toys", but really, on the same level that other entertainment devices, such as DVD player etc, or a PC, can be considered "toys" also.

[CharmingCharlie]

R* execs probably know EXACTLY how you feel , but other factors are forcing there hand, theyve had there plates full with getting to grips with the Console versions, coupled with feared piracy on the PC...

 

This is the thing SCLASS the reason GTA isn't being released on the PC at the same time as the consoles is not down to lack of resources, time, it isn't even down to piracy. The reason GTA 4 isn't being released on the PC is because Rockstar have recieved a nice bit of dosh from MS and Sony to keep it off the PC as long as possible. The reason they have done that is because they want to FORCE people to buy consoles. I mean why is it nearly every other developer can release their games on all three formats at the same time, yet Rockstar can't.

 

Now like I said you would probably be up in arms if Halo or MGS4 became PC exclusives because Nvidia paid a shed load of dosh to the software developers to make it PC only for a year or more and as much as I hate consoles I would be right behind you, why should you be forced to buy into a format you don't want too. However with console users it tends to just be a case of "ha ha you aren't getting it conzolez for da win, pc da sux".

[andylovesGTA]

I really don't know what to reply since you guys are so stubborn and you just wont get my point.

I'm sure that its the language barrier, my english vocabulary just isn't that big so I can't really get my point across, that in some aspects consoles are as good not if better than PC.

I but I can't expect much from a middle age man who goes on these forums to, in way, psychologically harass and force his opinion on others, about a game that is mostly played by people who are 15-25. and by what I understood you aren't here to discuss GTA but to rant about how PC are good and consoles bad, since this is the only topic you post in and you don't post anything about the game itself. but thats your thing and I just can't affect this, but if I could some of you guys would be gone.

 

and no I don't just sit around with my mates playing video games I go out quite often, in fact today I'm going to see Armin Van Buren on his Valentine special with my girl in a few hours, I don't really know why I'm writing this, I guess I want to prove you something which I wont, damn I'm turning in to you. few months ago this wouldn't be so impotent to me, but now it is.

[GTA_Godfather]

 

I really don't know what to reply since you guys are so stubborn and you just wont get my point.

I'm sure that its the language barrier, my english vocabulary just isn't that big so I can't really get my point across, that in some aspects consoles are as good not if better than PC.

I but I can't expect much from a middle age man who goes on these forums to, in way, psychologically harass and force his opinion on others, about a game that is mostly played by people who are 15-25. and by what I understood you aren't here to discuss GTA but to rant about how PC are good and consoles bad, since this is the only topic you post in and you don't post anything about the game itself. but thats your thing and I just can't affect this, but if I could some of you guys would be gone.

 

and no I don't just sit around with my mates playing video games I go out quite often, in fact today I'm going to see Armin Van Buren on his Valentine special with my girl in a few hours, I don't really know why I'm writing this, I guess I want to prove you something which I wont, damn I'm turning in to you. few months ago this wouldn't be so impotent to me,  but now it is.

I understand what you're saying about consoles being more for the casual gamer or more suited to casual gaming. Consoles have their place. The biggest thing the consoles have going for them is probably ease of use for target customers (younger crowd). Basically, you plug it in and pop in a disc. The cost is low enough for these customers to purchase it. Yes, you can sit your fat arse down on the couch and gaze at that 50" widescreen LCD/Plasma TV. Yay for consoles!

 

Personally, the ONLY games I could see worth playing on a console is a sports game (where graphics are not a top priority). It's more about the action and the controllers are well suited to the game. Do I own a console? No. It's not worth buyng for 1 game (Madden Football).

 

If you're you're playing any other game though, PCs are the cream of the crop in terms of capabilities. Look at loading times. It's insane to have to spend so much time loading a game over and over. Playing a game off a disc is so old hat. PCs are way ahead of the curve in this respect, as usual. They gave consoles hard drives and it's still awful. Consoles just want to be PCs (PC envy). lol. Do yourself a favor, ditch the console and do away with all this performance mediocrity (old technology that can't be upgraded) and silly loading business.

 

IF there was ever a game tailored to the PC, GTA IV would be it - the online capabilities, the mature theme, the availability of mods, the ability to listen to your own music, the rich detail that can only be viewed to the max with a PC, etc. I can't wait for it. Shame on R* for giving PC gamers the backseat. You know the people that work at R* have to want to see what they've developed in all its amazing glory. I can only imagine what they think when they see it on a console (that it looks so much better on the PC). They are probably going to wait for the PC version too!

 

 

 

[SCLASS]

k, my best mates dad is a motorcycle officer, hes 48 and plays gta like mad.( @andy) All ages play the game, If I primarily played on a platform that was always being shafted, I would be annoyed to.

Consoles and PC's will both have their advantages and disadvantages - both parties need to understand why the other have chosen what they have.

 

The older posters here, im sure have the cash for a pov spec, e bayed 360, bite the bulet and get a console with a few games you can stomach playin - perhaps ones that are not about gfx hp. Its really the only solution- id do that over being pissed off.

 

Godfather - I want to play MGS, GT5, GTA4 and maybe a few other exclusives...PC's do not cater for these needs, I think this is why people buy consoles as well. PC's for me give perhaps only 10/15 percent more pleasure - just not worth it. Though I will always play PC suited games on a PC of course.....shades of grey in everyones reason for their purchase.

Edited February 14, 2008 by SCLASS

[chris76]

 

I really don't know what to reply since you guys are so stubborn and you just wont get my point.

I'm sure that its the language barrier, my english vocabulary just isn't that big so I can't really get my point across, that in some aspects consoles are as good not if better than PC.

I but I can't expect much from a middle age man who goes on these forums to, in way, psychologically harass and force his opinion on others, about a game that is mostly played by people who are 15-25. and by what I understood you aren't here to discuss GTA but to rant about how PC are good and consoles bad, since this is the only topic you post in and you don't post anything about the game itself. but thats your thing and I just can't affect this, but if I could some of you guys would be gone.

 

and no I don't just sit around with my mates playing video games I go out quite often, in fact today I'm going to see Armin Van Buren on his Valentine special with my girl in a few hours, I don't really know why I'm writing this, I guess I want to prove you something which I wont, damn I'm turning in to you. few months ago this wouldn't be so impotent to me,  but now it is.

I would say you're wrong...

 

I'm 30 years old and know a lot of people almost the same age or older, who like to play GTA IV, because of it's humor and sarcasm it's a game meant to be played by adults (too). Strangely they all want to play the game on PC, because they have no use for toys like consoles (a console is a toy a long as you can't do other things than play with) and want to play it with the better control that keyboard and mouse offers.

 

CharmingCharlie never said consoles are bad, PCs are good. He is pissed of not to get GTA IV the same time as console players do (blaming R*) and about the console-kiddies who are telling sh*t like "ha ha you aren't getting it conzolez for da win, pc da sux" (blaming the console kiddies). And I'm glad about the posts of CharmingCharlie, because, mostly I agree, but I'm not patient enough to talk with idiots persistent as he does.

[chris76]

 

The older posters here, im sure have the cash for a pov spec, e bayed 360, bite the bulet and get a console with a few games you can stomach playin - perhaps ones that are not about gfx hp. Its really the only solution- id do that over being pissed off.

It's not about the money, it's about the controls and the feeling... I've played GTA SA on PS2 and it was terrible to me ( whereas Mortal Combat was fun). Therefore I never ever will play GTA on consoles again.

 

PS: Sorry for double posting

[SCLASS]

strangely enough, I played SA on the PC, gfx were v good, but I just was so much more comfortable on my sofa, and had more fun playin it on a large screen. Gfx looked similar as it was on a good tv.

Its a simple equation for me, If I bought a gaming PC, id only play OFP2 and GTA4, wheras on the PS3 there are exclusives I HAVE to play.

[CharmingCharlie]

 

I really don't know what to reply since you guys are so stubborn and you just wont get my point.

I'm sure that its the language barrier, my english vocabulary just isn't that big so I can't really get my point across, that in some aspects consoles are as good not if better than PC.

No matter how bad your language is it is irrefutable that you tried to paint me as some "billy no mates" because I prefer PC's over consoles, I just replied in kind.

 

 

I but I can't expect much from a middle age man who goes on these forums to, in way, psychologically harass and force his opinion on others, about a game that is mostly played by people who are 15-25. and by what I understood you aren't here to discuss GTA.

Well you just shot yourself in the foot there 15-25 year olds !!!! last time I checked this was a game where you had to be at least 17 - 18 years of age to play the game. By it's very nature GTA is a MATURE ADULT game. You do know this franchise has been running for over 10 years, with any luck it will be running for another 10 years, does this mean you shouldn't be playing GTA when you reach your 30's !!!!!!

 

 

but to rant about how PC are good and consoles bad, since this is the only topic you post in and you don't post anything about the game itself. but thats your thing and I just can't affect this, but if I could some of you guys would be gone.

 

We are doing exactly what the topic was set up to do, you do know that the topic title is :-

 

 

GTA IV for PC - Will it happen?

 

That is discuss whether the game will come on the PC, not discuss features of the console release or have flights of fantasy about whether Niko is a homosexual lesbian (which seems to be all the rage with the rest of the forum). This topic exists to discuss whether GTA 4 will appear on the PC. But by all means feel free to report me, that is why we have mods and I am sure if I am in breech of any rules they will take steps to sort me out.

 

 

and no I don't just sit around with my mates playing video games I go out quite often, in fact today I'm going to see Armin Van Buren on his Valentine special with my girl in a few hours, I don't really know why I'm writing this, I guess I want to prove you something which I wont, damn I'm turning in to you. few months ago this wouldn't be so impotent to me,  but now it is.

I personally don't care whether you sit in, go out or hang around in bars wearing womens clothing. You are the one that made the assumption that because I enjoy PC gaming I must be some sad lonely person that only does multiplayer gaming with people in Korea.

 

 

k, my best mates dad is a motorcycle officer, hes 48 and plays gta like mad.( @andy) All ages play the game, If I primarily played on a platform that was always being shafted, I would be annoyed to.   

   Consoles and PC's will both have their advantages and disadvantages - both parties need to understand why the other have chosen what they have.

 

   The older posters here, im sure have the cash for a pov spec, e bayed 360, bite the bulet and get a console with a few games you can stomach playin - perhaps ones that are not about gfx hp. Its really the only solution- id do that over being pissed off.

 

    Godfather - I want to play MGS, GT5, GTA4 and maybe a few other exclusives...PC's do not cater for these needs, I think this is why people buy consoles as well. PC's for me give perhaps only 10/15 percent more pleasure - just not worth it. Though I will always play PC suited games on a PC of course.....shades of grey in everyones reason for their purchase.

Now you see I can accept that SCLASS, I perfectly understand that if there is not enough gaming worth for you on the PC then it would be stupid of you to buy a PC. Like you said it would only give you 15/20% extra gaming enjoyment. I totally agree with you most of the games you want are on the console and hardly anything is coming out for the PC that you want.

 

Now why is it some of the people that come in here can't understand the reverse is true for PC gamers ? I mean you yourself are guilty of it, you just said earlier PC gamers should bite the bullet and buy a ebayed console. I have ZERO interest in anything else on the consoles, I am not saying they are bad I am just saying nothing on them interests me except GTA 4 obviously. So don't you think it is a bit unreasonable to try and force me to buy a console when it is going to add less than 5% to my gaming enjoyment ?

 

I mean whether you play the game on the PS3/360 or want to play it on the PC we are all GTA fans and it would just be nice to have a bit of backing from console users, instead of the normal tripe and crap they post about "consolez 4 da winz,PC for da lozerz"

Edited February 14, 2008 by CharmingCharlie

[SCLASS]

To be honest Charlie, you would have a much more mature debate if you joined PSInext forums, they are populated by a better 'class' of poster. Though their primarily a PS3 forums site, there are a great deal of intelligent ppl there. The GTA4 thread will be updated less of course by the nature of it being just one of the games to discuss.

 

If I had enough cash to spare Id buy a really decent rig, Im stuck at the mo with a Comp built in Oct 01, 2 Ghz P4 512 RAM and a slightly more recent 5600FX (128) card. So deffo in need of a upgrade. Problem is, I need to move out, yes Still with rents at 23...and that obviously takes priority.

 

If any of you know anyone with a console, I challenge you to this, assuming they have a HDTV, and GTA4, im sure youll all give the game a go. I suspect most of you would soon forget about the advantages of the PC and just have fun with the physics.

 

It would be interesting to know how many PS2/XBOX SA's were sold, opposed to PC editions. If the ratio is 10 to 1 say, then of course, you lot will be sidelined.

 

What do you do for a living charlie - if you mind me asking.

Edited February 14, 2008 by SCLASS

[zmoonchild]

 

To be honest Charlie, you would have a much more mature debate if you joined PSInext forums, they are populated by a better 'class' of poster. Though their primarily a PS3 forums site, there are a great deal of intelligent ppl there...

So, you’re saying that the people here on this forum are in a lesser ‘class’ ? Am I reading that correctly? That sounds like a major putdown. Why would you say that about all the nice people on this forum?

 

 

It would be interesting to know how many PS2/XBOX SA's were sold, opposed to PC editions. If the ratio is 10 to 1 say, then of course, you lot will be sidelined.

The math should be done differently than that, to give a more accurate account.

It should be spread out and broken down into three categories: PC, Xbox, and PlayStation; each with it’s own total.

You’re classifying it by putting PC against all others, which makes the PC total seem less when compared a larger whole.

A better ratio would be a comparison of PC to Xbox and/or PC to PlayStation.

[SCLASS]

no moon, I was referring to the 'main' part of the forums, and more specifically the 10-15 year old visitors who ruin the site for all. I can see there is light years aparts between the console and PC fans here.

 

I grouped the PS2 and XBOX together as we were dicussing consoles versus PC's and the decision by R* to concentrate on the larger market.

Edited February 14, 2008 by SCLASS

[GTA_Godfather]

 

...If any of you know anyone with a console, I challenge you to this, assuming they have a HDTV, and GTA4, im sure youll all give the game a go. I suspect most of you would soon forget about the advantages of the PC and just have fun with the physics.

 

  It would be interesting to know how many PS2/XBOX SA's were sold, opposed to PC editions. If the ratio is 10 to 1 say, then of course, you lot will be sidelined...

There in lies the crux of the matter. Most of us (PC gamers) have seen previous versions of GTA on the Playstation/Xbox (may have even played it) and this is EXACTLY why we are so insistent to wait for the PC version. We KNOW what consoles are capable of and we refuse to settle for mediocrity for our favorite franchise (mine anyway). Granted, no one has seen GTA IV on an HDTV (or any TV), but I seriously doubt this would change the notions of PC gamers much.

 

That business about how many copies were sold on what system is for console fanboys, not PC gamers. It's ONLY about the quality of experience (controls, visuals, customization, speed (WHAT load times?), etc.).

 

I also want to say that console gamers bring up cost a lot when talking about PC gaming. Think about this for a sec. Game consoles were meant to do one thing, PLAY GAMES. This alone makes consoles about 1% as useful as a PC. Consoles are redundant in this respect because the vast majority of people use computers to connect to the internet, check email, instant message friends, view/edit photos/videos among a million other things. Why not use this hardware to play games too instead of buying an ADDITIONAL hunk of plastic/electronics (console)? It has capabilities that far outstrip that of consoles anyway.

 

So, when you look at cost you have to look at incremental cost. Most people upgrade computers periodically regardless of whether they "game" or not. IF you want to upgrade a PC you generally do not need to upgrade your case, sound card, hard drives, dvd-roms, cables, power supplies, and such (unless you are an enthusiast and really want to). ALL you need to look at is GRAHPICS CARDS, PROCESSOR, and MOTHERBOARD. With all the money console gamers waste on replacing essentially the same thing (hard drives, case, disc drive, power supply), you could be upgrading JUST the parts that need to be upgraded. You can even splurge on it with the money you save. Again, don't forget the incremental cost. Whether you played games or not you'd probably upgrade these parts anyway for your daily computing activities.

 

BTW, help out the environment by not buying a new generation console every time it comes out. Think of all that waste!

 

 

 

 

Edited February 14, 2008 by GTA_Godfather

[SynTerro]

 

To be honest Charlie, you would have a much more mature debate if you joined PSInext forums, they are populated by a better 'class' of poster. Though their primarily a PS3 forums site, there are a great deal of intelligent ppl there...

So, you’re saying that the people here on this forum are in a lesser ‘class’ ? Am I reading that correctly? That sounds like a major putdown. Why would you say that about all the nice people on this forum?

 

 

It would be interesting to know how many PS2/XBOX SA's were sold, opposed to PC editions. If the ratio is 10 to 1 say, then of course, you lot will be sidelined.

The math should be done differently than that, to give a more accurate account.

It should be spread out and broken down into three categories: PC, Xbox, and PlayStation; each with it’s own total.

You’re classifying it by putting PC against all others, which makes the PC total seem less when compared a larger whole.

A better ratio would be a comparison of PC to Xbox and/or PC to PlayStation.

Lets add another factor that has an impact, the PC version came out 6-7 months later, this increases sales for PS2, and decrease sales of PC version. There is no fair way to look at the sales number, and customers should not take sales numbers as a point of a better system.

 

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..and all those who say they like the couch, well I'm sitting on a couch, my PC is connected to a 37" HDTV, oh you didn't think tha was possible? If you have a modern flatscreen HDTV, check your inputs, I bet it has a PC input.

Edited February 14, 2008 by SynTerro

[SCLASS]

While the gap between console SA and PC SA was quite great visually, this gap has narrowed with HDTV....yes it is possible to play PC games at significantly higher resolution, however, those who can do this with the latest games are in the minoity.

 

Do any of you like MGS ? or Gran Turismo...no doubt with the latter GP3 will be mentioned, or F355 challenge and of course the PC DOES pip the post in terms of absolute 'simulation' but at the end of the day, the larger community is just more fun to be a part of.

 

GT4, while not the best, is pretty darn good at what it set out to do , particularlyon 299 MHZ hardware. Was is low res, yes, but noone can doubt that PD created a masterpiece at 60FPS no less.

 

The same as MGS2/3, the sheer quality and attention to detail is worth noting, thats why consoles , for me , work. Of course FS on PC's can be mentioned in retaliation, and no doubt, it does the job, but FSX is an example of PC gaming and hardware requirements which really piss me off. Going off on a tangent, you all must try Orbiter...its free, stunning gfx - its a flight space sim which has a harder learning curve that ANY game, trust me.And has low requirements to boot.

 

http://orbit.medphys.ucl.ac.uk/

 

Forget the immature visitors to this site, just give consoles a bit of respect for what they do, bang for buck, they work for me , particularly in the genres of game I like.

Edited February 14, 2008 by SCLASS

[GTA_Godfather]

SCLASS,

 

Consoles have their place. It's more about simplicity than anything else, which is KEY for it's customers (kids and kids' parents). PCs are generally a little more finicky, because it has to deal with an operating system. But, keep in mind this allows you to do a million other things consoles can only dream about which makes them supremely more useful.

 

I don't think cost is the main issue (it's a hollow argument).

 

Obviously, consoles aren't on par with PCs as far as visuals go (graphical muscle).

 

Consoles have online ability now, but it's not as good as on the PC.

 

HDTV is still low res (relatively speaking). Even if you have a 1080p HDTV screen, GTA IV is still going to be programmed in 720p (1280x720 resolution). The consoles will do their best just to keep up with that. First, games have to programmed in 1080p to fully utilize it. Second, hardware can't even handle it anyway. On top of that, a 30" computer LCD can give you NATIVE resolutions of 2560x1600 RIGHT NOW. If you're lucky enough to have one you can play games at this resolution right now (GTA III, Vice City, and San Andreas included).

 

One advantage of the console is that you can get better sound (home theater speakers trounce computer speakers though mine are very nice). Hard to beat that.

 

 

 

 

[SynTerro]

 

 

One advantage of the console is that you can get better sound (home theater speakers trounce computer speakers though mine are very nice). Hard to beat that.

 

 

 

Better sound? No, you can connect any High-End surround system to your computer, 7,1 channel system is normal on PC today. XBOX 360 I beleive has 5,1 channel, PS3 has 7,1 system(can anyone confirm this for me). My point is PC can have equal or better soundsystem at reasonable price. The sorround system cost the same for PC as for PS3/360

Edited February 14, 2008 by SynTerro