GTA IV for PC

[Lioshenka]

' date='Jul 3 2007, 09:11'] oh you'll deffinately be able to run gta 4 no doubt about it

thats a shame, to have computer with lower specs than that ^^ mines the same

[reaper x550]

First of all, fanboys = go die

 

Now thats out of the way.

 

I must say, i would love a PC verison through and through, people in the old PC topic would see and realise that and good people like CharmingCharlie know.

 

But sadly I must admit with microsoft involved (look at the halo saga and how long we have to wait) i might end up coughing up the money for a 360, HOWEVER in NO WAY will I ever be a console Fan Boy....My knowledge of PC's and consoles wont allow it to ever happen.

 

Anything to do with a PC version I will be right behind it 100%.

 

Although this is only an idea for now, I know people who are thinking of just doing the same.

 

CharmingCharlie - Don't kill me

[CharmingCharlie]

First of all, fanboys = go die

 

Now thats out of the way.

 

I must say, i would love a PC verison through and through, people in the old PC topic would see and realise that and good people like CharmingCharlie know.

 

But sadly I must admit with microsoft involved (look at the halo saga and how long we have to wait) i might end up coughing up the money for a 360, HOWEVER in NO WAY will I ever be a console Fan Boy....My knowledge of PC's and consoles wont allow it to ever happen.

 

Anything to do with a PC version I will be right behind it 100%.

 

Although this is only an idea for now, I know people who are thinking of just doing the same.

 

CharmingCharlie - Don't kill me

@ reaper x550 . Nah just kidding ya. It is a personal choice, there is nothing wrong with owning a console, as long as you don't get delusions of grandeur that consoles some how miraculously beat PC's.

 

I have to confess that I have often considered buying a 360 to play GTA 4, simply because I am already tired of waiting. That may happen if Microsoft get the Premium version down to £200. But then to counter that the game just wouldn't feel the same as it would on the PC so that puts me off. I also don't like being dictated too by a company, ie they are saying if I want to play GTA 4 in October I have to buy a console, well f**k you, if you know what I mean .

 

I can understand your concerns about GTA 4 being delayed as long as Halo 2 was (a 2 year delay for a sh*tty game). However the circumstances are different. In Halo's case Microsoft OWN Bungie but they do not own Rockstar. You also have to understand the first Halo wasn't a rip roaring success for the PC, principally because compared to other FPS games, Halo was very very poor and Halo 2 is even crapper than 2 year old FPS games on the PC.

 

Like I said at the beginning it is a personal choice, if you want to get a console that is your choice, but you also have to understand by getting the console in a small way you are vindicating the stance that these software companies take. At the moment my attitude is "I will play GTA 4 on the PC or not at all, I will take my money elsewhere if this is Rockstars attitude".

[Mike17N2k3]

im hoping with this game being pretty huge that it'll be released on the PC around the same time as the other releases, if not at the same time......

 

i too have considered getting a 360, just a refurbished out.. but im waiting for the offical word before i do it.

[[BoBO]]

I have considered buying a PS3 not a 360 ...

with all the people having so many problems with 360's ..like the "3 red lights" I really don't think buying a 360 would be a good investment. I don't really care for the "exclusive downloadable content" for the 360 :|

I think it's gonna come to the PS3 eventually anyway. And even if it doesn't , I couldn't care less :|

[reaper x550]

I called EB Games today since i was going to be getting just the "budget" Xbox 360 Core. Aparently that willl set me back $400 (au) but on top of that they are "no longer selling them" anyone have any insight to that?

 

In Halo's case Microsoft OWN Bungie but they do not own Rockstar.

 

That is true, But im just concerned that another Halo could arrise if Microsoft decided to ask rockstar nicely while ignoring the truck full of money outside.

 

Still the pleasure of playing GTA IV on the release date seems to inviting, im just seeing what else they can do besides play games, since a $400 investment isnt something I want for 1 game. I still cant wait for GTA IV on PC though, and, i will be crazy enough to pre-order that aswell

 

 

At the moment my attitude is "I will play GTA 4 on the PC or not at all, I will take my money elsewhere if this is Rockstars attitude".

 

Hell, I have had that attitude for ages but it's starting to get to me, still, It wont be tomorrow i'll be getting a 360 if i decided to do so, so i have some time....

 

For the moment i'm looking into it

Edited July 4, 2007 by reaper x550

[Toni Antonio Cipriani]

You know why so many people are still staying on Windows XP? I know that many people here know this already, but for the benefit of the newbies, I have to mention this - Windows Vista did not sell well because of:

 

1. Windows X's Vista Transformation Pack, which emulates the most attractive part of Windows Vista, which is is the GUI.

2. Stardock's WindowBlinds, which emulates the Aero Glass effect.

3. Windows Vista's price is too high, and you need 512MB RAM to run Aero Glass when on Windows XP you can run it full speed on 128MB using WindowBlinds. There are, however, workaround ways to enable AERO GLASS on a Vista PC with lower memory.

4. The fact that Halo 2 can be played on Windows XP with a crack.

 

Here's a tutorial on how to make your Windows XP PC look like Windows Vista. It's a proof that Windows XP can look like Windows Vista.

 

So, if Rockstar wants to port Grand Theft Auto IV, it has to feature an updated version of the current R.A.G.E. engine that is being used on the consoles, so as to be able to compete with games like Crysis and Unreal Tournament 3.

 

Also, if Grand Theft Auto IV is to be ported to Windows Vista, it really needs better, updated graphics that utillize DirectX 10 so as to encourage Windows XP owners to upgrade to Windows Vista, just for Grand Theft Auto IV, which is Microsoft's motive for the "Games for Windows" initiative.

 

However, if Grand Theft Auto IV isn't going to be Vista-only or revolutionary, Rockstar must as well stick to the consoles because it won't sell well. Rockstar's main motive is to make money, so if it isn't going to sell, why would the port it to the PC?

 

Besides, most PC gamers are Hardcore Gamers, which mean they own almost every single console, besides a PC, which mean they should own a XBOX 360 or a Playstation 3, and would most probably have played Grand Theft Auto IV already. If Grand Theft Auto IV doesn't sport an updated version of R.A.G.E. that is even comparable to Unreal Engine 3, it won't be an AAA title and therefore only Hardcore gamers will buy. Get the meaning of Hardcore? They play all types of games. Which means non-Hardcore Gamers and non-PC Gamers will purchase the game, and only casual gamers will do so. But Casual Gamers won't buy a non-AAA title unless they are a Grand Theft Auto fan like us.

 

Plus, if Rockstar releases the PC version next year, if they have considered to do so, the "Game of the Year" hype would already died down. It would be theorotically impossible for Grand Theft Auto IV to feature updated graphics and be released by this year, so it means that there are only 4 possibilities:

 

1) Rockstar releases a Vista-only, DirectX 10 version of Grand Theft Auto IV in 2008, with updated graphics.

2) Rockstar releases a Windows XP compatible version of Grand Theft Auto IV this year.

3) Rockstar releases a Windows XP compatible version of Grand Theft Auto IV next year, with minor changes.

4) Rockstar don't release Grand Theft Auto IV for the PC at all.

Edited July 5, 2007 by Toni Antonio Cipriani

[reaper x550]

Wow, that was a long post, but it will clear alot of things up for some people...maybe.....

 

have a cookie

[bobdude100]

if they do i can put it on my new HP laptop my mom just bought me!!!!

[dule34]

I don`like XboX 360, PlayStation 1,2,3 and PlayStation Portable.

I`ve got my PC and I am happy.

I`ve got all Grand Theft Auto games witch are for PC so i am very mad and sad if

Grand Theft Auto 4 will not come to PC.

 

P.S.

 

I want Grand Theft Auto Liberty City and Grand Theft Auto Vice City Stories for PC too.

[CharmingCharlie]

 

I called EB Games today since i was going to be getting just the "budget" Xbox 360 Core. Aparently that willl set me back $400 (au) but on top of that they are "no longer selling them" anyone have any insight to that?

 

 

The Core version of the 360, whch is basically a 360 without the Hard disc is probably going to be dropped sooner rather than later. There is a "new" version of the 360 being released around the world, which is basically a 360 in a different colour, larger hard disc and a HDMI port. So what most people expect to happen is the core product will be dropped (as you are seeing). The premium will go down to the price of the core and the "new" Elite will come in at around the premium price. So it will probably be worth your while to wait and see what happens.

 

At any rate I would consider carefully about buying the core version. There is no doubt in my mind that GTA 4 is going to need a hard disc. It will probably play on a core version but you will have horrendous load times and glitchy graphics. I personally wouldn't even consider getting the core version (although you can add thee hard disc to it, but that works out more expensive).

 

Now for Toni Antonio Cipriani . Your post was a little bit confusing, you might want to edit the top paragraph :-

 

 

You know why so many people are still staying on Windows Vista? I know that many people here know this already, but for the benefit of the newbies, I have to mention this: Windows Vista did not sell well because of

 

1. Windows X's Vista Transformation Pack, which emulates the most attractive part of Windows Vista, which is is the GUI.

2. Stardock's WindowBlinds, which emulates the Aero Glass effect.

3. Windows Vista's price is too high, and you need 512MB RAM to run Aero Glass when on Windows XP you can run it full speed on 128MB using WindowBlinds. There are, however, workaround ways to enable AERO GLASS on a Vista PC with lower memory.

4. The fact that Halo 2 can be played on Windows XP with a crack.

 

 

I think probably what you meant to say was "You know so many people are still staying OFF Windows Vista ?". I would add a 5th reason for the lack of Vista take up and that is the damn thing stops you doing anything and bugs the hell out of ya if you try to do anything. They should have called the bloody thing Windows Stalin.

 

I think we need to downplay the importance of Vista and Directx 10 in relation to GTA 4. The game certainly doesn't need Directx 10 features. There is going to be a long transition period between x9 and x10. I would say for the next 18 months you are going to see games that will run in x9 but will also run in x10 with additional features, a good example is Crysis. That game looks fantastic in x10 but it still runs pretty well in x9. I think you will find the same thing with GTA 4.

 

 

However, if Grand Theft Auto IV isn't going to be Vista-only or revolutionary, Rockstar must as well stick to the consoles because it won't sell well. Rockstar's main motive is to make money, so if it isn't going to sell, why would the port it to the PC?

 

I agree partly with what you say, in that Rockstar are in it for the money, but just because they wouldn't make money on a vista only version doesn't mean it makes financial sense to totally ignore the millions of Direct x9 people out there

 

 

Besides, most PC gamers are Hardcore Gamers, which mean they own almost every single console, other than a PC, which mean they should own a XBOX 360 or a Playstation 3

 

Most "hardcore gamers" wouldn't know the first thing about a PC. Most "Hardcore PC gamers" wouldn't let any of those plastic toys anywhere near their house, I know me and my mates have no intention of getting a console, why should we, we already have the best gaming platform on the planet. Oh and graphics have nothing to do with a title being AAA. The GTA 3 series always had crap graphics compared to other titles but that was always a AAA purchase. It will be the same for GTA 4, this game will be considered a must purchase by anyone that plays games on a PC even if it has already been out on a console for 8 months.

 

 

Plus, if Rockstar releases the PC version next year, if the have considered to do so, the "Game of the Year" hype would already died down. It would be theorotically impossible for Grand Theft Auto IV to feature updated graphics and be released by this year

 

When we talk about better graphics for the PC we are not going overboard, I think at best we will get slightly better textures and better draw distance due to larger memory assets. A PC port could be incredibly cheap for Rockstar to do, they could basically take the 360 version, just rework the RAGE engine to run on the Intel/AMD structure and that is it.

 

My view still hasn't changed. GTA 4 will release in Summer 2008, it will be directx 9 compatible with probably some directx 10 features if you have Vista. But as always time will tell.

 

[LordReco]

Teþekkürler bence iyi oyuna benziyo ama beklicez.Ben her serisini seviyorum rockstargames'in (Thanks)

[GycuBrun]

What you think guys, will it use Pixel Shader 3.0 ?

 

I think so ...

[CharmingCharlie]

What you think guys, will it use Pixel Shader 3.0 ?

 

I think so ...

yeah they have been after ditching pixel shader 2.0 for a while now haven't they it just will not DIE !!!!!!.

 

I would like to think that pixel shader 2 will be finally laid to rest in the next few months, there is no excuse now. I mean the 7000 series has pixel shader 3.0 and the cards are dirt cheap. Hell treat yourself to an 8800gts, come on people

 

So I would probably say 90% certain you will need a pixel shader 3.0 capable card to run GTA 4.

 

By the way Lordreco this is an english speaking board, you are not going to get many replies if you don't speak english.

[RonHiler]

Most "hardcore gamers" wouldn't know the first thing about a PC. Most "Hardcore PC gamers" wouldn't let any of those plastic toys anywhere near their house, ... , this game will be considered a must purchase by anyone that plays games on a PC even if it has already been out on a console for 8 months.

 

Well said. I have been a hardcore gamer for some 30 years now. The last console I owned was the ATARI one. You know, the one that played pong and space invaders and breakout. The height of gaming technology back then was a game called Adventure!, heh

 

None of those overpriced toys will now or ever see the inside of my house. I have an awesome gaming system which has the perks of also being able to do some work type stuff (excel, word, email, etc). Why the heck would I need one of those console thingys? I'm one of those in the camp that if GTA IV doesn't come to the PC, I won't be playing it. I'm not worried, though. I give that roughly a 0% chance of happening. It'll come to the PC. No question in my mind at all.

 

The only open question in my opinion is XP or VISTA.

[DML]

The only open question in my opinion is XP or VISTA.

Yes indeed. And after that, in my mind (and many others'), the question shifts to...

 

If it is released only on Vista (possibly through some extra bribe by Micrap$oft); will I take the time to dual-boot a pirated version of Windows Vista, just to play GTA IV?

[nlitement]

The only open question in my opinion is XP or VISTA.

Yes indeed. And after that, in my mind (and many others'), the question shifts to...

 

If it is released only on Vista (possibly through some extra bribe by Micrap$oft); will I take the time to dual-boot a pirated version of Windows Vista, just to play GTA IV?

Nah, man. Heh, only two Vista games have been released so far and are easily patchable so that you can play it on your lovely XP.

[Crokey]

The only open question in my opinion is XP or VISTA.

Yes indeed. And after that, in my mind (and many others'), the question shifts to...

 

If it is released only on Vista (possibly through some extra bribe by Micrap$oft); will I take the time to dual-boot a pirated version of Windows Vista, just to play GTA IV?

Nah, man. Heh, only two Vista games have been released so far and are easily patchable so that you can play it on your lovely XP.

I hope Alan Wake comes into that category when it comes out ... damn no cross-fingers smilie.

 

But as for GTA:IV, depending on it's prospective release date for the PC, will determine what platform it will come out on as in XP or Vista. I think personally that it will be minimum XP, as it's only recently that the majority of games are now saying minimum XP, and how longs XP been out?, when some of them said minimum 98/ME, I know it's a bit of jump from 98/ME to XP but there isn't that much of jump to Vista from XP... if anything it's backwards, lol.

[reaper x550]

 

The Core version of the 360, whch is basically a 360 without the Hard disc is probably going to be dropped sooner rather than later. There is a "new" version of the 360 being released around the world, which is basically a 360 in a different colour, larger hard disc and a HDMI port. So what most people expect to happen is the core product will be dropped (as you are seeing). The premium will go down to the price of the core and the "new" Elite will come in at around the premium price. So it will probably be worth your while to wait and see what happens.

 

At any rate I would consider carefully about buying the core version. There is no doubt in my mind that GTA 4 is going to need a hard disc. It will probably play on a core version but you will have horrendous load times and glitchy graphics. I personally wouldn't even consider getting the core version (although you can add thee hard disc to it, but that works out more expensive).

 

Man, CharmingCharlie you are ALWAYS there to answer questions, ha ha

 

Anyway, That Info helped, I will keep an eye out, but basicly it was another $200 for a 20gb harddrive, headset, remote (my PSP can do that anyway.....) and wireless controler. guess where it would be sitting, yep, right here on my desk.

However I havnt ruled out the option of getting a 360, as said it will be good to play GTA IV on the release date but all honestly I am still going for a PC version.

 

About "hardcore gamers" I am one, but I make an exception for GTA, atleast it's not like one of my teachers said:

 

Real Hardcore gamers dont upgrade, they just buy a whole new PC

 

Anyway, We will see how things turn out when it's closer to the release date, they are sure to come down in price by the time GTA IV is ready ( around 3 months now isnt it? )

 

Thanks for the info CharmingCharlie

[Toni Antonio Cipriani]

Yeah, I've got a brand new PC with an Nvidia GeForce 8600GT, which supports DirectX 10. And CharmingCharlie said:

 

Most "hardcore gamers" wouldn't know the first thing about a PC. Most "Hardcore PC gamers" wouldn't let any of those plastic toys anywhere near their house, ... , this game will be considered a must purchase by anyone that plays games on a PC even if it has already been out on a console for 8 months.

 

I'm talking about "Hardcore Gamers", not "PC Gamers". Yes, most "Hardcore PC Gamers" aren't Console Owners, but most "PC Gamers" are. And "Harcore PC Gamers" won't want to play a game like Grand Theft Auto IV that isn't graphics intensive. Yes, I agree San Andreas had outdated graphics and it's still one of the Top Ten games right now, even though it is already 2 years old. But that's for the PS2. In the PC Gaming world, Warez rules and Graphics is one of the most important criteria on whether they will buy the game, because most of them will just download it off the net. I'm talking about "Buying" the game, not "Getting" the game.

 

If you're still confused between "Hardcore Gamers" and "Hardcore PC Gamers", and "PC Gamers", read this article this link.

[RonHiler]

 

In the PC Gaming world, Warez rules

X wrong

 

 

Graphics is one of the most important criteria on whether they will buy the game,

XX wrong

 

 

because most of them will just download it off the net.

 

XXX wrong

 

Ohhh! 3 strikes! Thank you for playing. We have some lovely parting gifts, including a year's supply of Turtle Wax! Next!

[EntropicLqd]

...I'm talking about "Hardcore Gamers", not "PC Gamers". Yes, most "Hardcore PC Gamers" aren't Console Owners, but most "PC Gamers" are. And "Harcore PC Gamers" won't want to play a game like Grand Theft Auto IV that isn't graphics intensive. Yes, I agree San Andreas had outdated graphics and it's still one of the Top Ten games right now, even though it is already 2 years old. But that's for the PS2. In the PC Gaming world, Warez rules and Graphics is one of the most important criteria on whether they will buy the game, because most of them will just download it off the net. I'm talking about "Buying" the game, not "Getting" the game...

You don't arf talk a lot of bollocks you know.

 

Hardcore PC Gamers want to play games. Specifically, good games. A game can have the most gorgeous graphics in the world and still suck royally.

 

As for the whole, "Oh noes the PC games market is overrun with warez" thing that's going around. In my experience that's completely false. Currently the only people I know who admit to having and playing pirate games are console owners.

 

The real issue is that most PC Games don't sell as many copies as the over-inflated market predictions of the development studios and marketing departments. This leads the publisher and developent studio to claim "all these copies we didn't seel must have been down to piracy". Ofcourse, what they really should be admitting is that their game was at best mediocre, and more than likely either crap, or just the same as every other game that's already out there and adds nothing new.

 

Anyway, there are so many different ways of defining a "Hardcore" gamer that the comparison is essentially irrelevant.

 

Gamers play games.

 

[Knowledge™]

Nevermind, I moved it to the random Qs thread instead. Might take longer, but oh well.

Edited July 5, 2007 by Knowledge™

[EntropicLqd]

The very best advice I can give you is, "Wait till the game is released".

 

The more I see of the GTA-4 graphics the less impressed I am.

 

[Hacker-Tom(CZ)]

Topic Conclusion:

 

1) We as a PC gamers are majority for R*

2) We can't see profitability about releasing for Xbox or PS3... (Who own it?)

3) If GTA 4 will not be released for PC, we can use some of emulators... (I know this is very sad and bad way but only we would have to... )

 

I hope as everyone that R* release PC version...

If they do it will run on XP, surely...

[Knowledge™]

 

The very best advice I can give you is, "Wait till the game is released".

 

Edit:

 

Forget it. Too contradictory to what you said.

Edited July 5, 2007 by Knowledge™

[CharmingCharlie]

"Harcore PC Gamers" won't want to play a game like Grand Theft Auto IV that isn't graphics intensive.

If that is the case why did GTA start life on the PC, why did Rockstar bother bringing GTA 3, GTA VC and GTA SA to the PC. I mean they all had substandard graphics compared to other games but they still sold like hot cakes.

 

I would argue that GTA and the PC are a match made in heaven, the graphics are only substandard because they have to tone it down to run on the toy consoles. I really do not understand why people are so hell bent on proving GTA 4 will not come to the PC.

 

It is inevitable that GTA 4 will come out on the PC, no if's or buts. Rockstar are going to need a PC version to make up the sales, since the console user base is still appallingly low

[DML]

 

"Harcore PC Gamers" won't want to play a game like Grand Theft Auto IV that isn't graphics intensive.

If that is the case why did GTA start life on the PC, why did Rockstar bother bringing GTA 3, GTA VC and GTA SA to the PC. I mean they all had substandard graphics compared to other games but they still sold like hot cakes.

 

I would argue that GTA and the PC are a match made in heaven, the graphics are only substandard because they have to tone it down to run on the toy consoles. I really do not understand why people are so hell bent on proving GTA 4 will not come to the PC.

 

It is inevitable that GTA 4 will come out on the PC, no if's or buts. Rockstar are going to need a PC version to make up the sales, since the console user base is still appallingly low

Here's one way of putting it...

 

When the PC version does get released, the people who strongly disagreed that it would ever would, are going to look stupid. If it doesn't get released, Rockstar will be the ones who will look stupid.

 

Either way, common sense points to Rockstar having the intellectual fortitude to understand that, without the PC release, they face a lower profit margin.

[nlitement]

"Harcore PC Gamers" won't want to play a game like Grand Theft Auto IV that isn't graphics intensive.

If that is the case why did GTA start life on the PC, why did Rockstar bother bringing GTA 3, GTA VC and GTA SA to the PC. I mean they all had substandard graphics compared to other games but they still sold like hot cakes.

 

I would argue that GTA and the PC are a match made in heaven, the graphics are only substandard because they have to tone it down to run on the toy consoles. I really do not understand why people are so hell bent on proving GTA 4 will not come to the PC.

 

It is inevitable that GTA 4 will come out on the PC, no if's or buts. Rockstar are going to need a PC version to make up the sales, since the console user base is still appallingly low

Here's one way of putting it...

 

When the PC version does get released, the people who strongly disagreed that it would ever would, are going to look stupid. If it doesn't get released, Rockstar will be the ones who will look stupid.

 

Either way, common sense points to Rockstar having the intellectual fortitude to understand that, without the PC release, they face a lower profit margin.

The REALLY funny thing is that an EXACT same question and doubt was around before SA got released, until SNAP, they sat on their asses, corrected.

[freak2121]

wow a huge argument give me minute...

*goes and grabs popcorn*

i think it would be a loss of billions of dolars if it didnt happen so i think will make it for pc,after all pc is wat they use to make the game