GTA IV for PC

[jelly]

It will be released on Steam like the rest of the GTA games.

I can safely say that if the game isn't released in a standard PC game box, with map and manual, then I will not be paying for it. Rockstar have already shafted us with the delay...they're not gonna do it with packaging as well.

Noone releases on Steam exclusively, apart from those who need to like independent studios. There will obviously be a packaging with discs and a manual, the regular.

[s-paco]

It will be released on Steam like the rest of the GTA games.

I can safely say that if the game isn't released in a standard PC game box, with map and manual, then I will not be paying for it. Rockstar have already shafted us with the delay...they're not gonna do it with packaging as well.

Noone releases on Steam exclusively, apart from those who need to like independent studios. There will obviously be a packaging with discs and a manual, the regular.

Yeah, every game released on Steam also has a retail package. Which you can normally buy in the store, with all the books and extra information.

 

[matt_hrkac]

 

well i have 2 hard drives on my PC both of them are about 50gb, my processor is IntelCoreDuo 1.86 GHs, Grapics card: 384MB NVIDIA GeForce and before you ask why my hard drives a small it is because i use a laptop.

Well it would have helped if you had given a bit more detail about your PC. I mean your coreduo isn't too bad, not great but the real question is your graphics card. I mean saying it is an "Nvidia Geforce 384mb" doesn't actually help us. We need to know what the product number is ie is it a 5200, 6200, 7200. Let me give you an example I have two graphics cards they are :-

 

Nvidia 8600GT with 512mbs of ram

Nvidia 8800GTS with 320mbs of ram

 

Now you do state that the PC you use is a laptop, this at the very least indicates you will have an incredibly low end card in it. I hate to tell you this but a laptop will never make a good gaming PC unless you spend close to £5000 on one and even then a Desktop PC half that price would slaughter it games wise. I mean I love laptops myself, I even have one but no way on this earth would I expect it to play games they simply don't have the power.

 

 

on your last paragraph i only asked wether whats his face (his name doesent ht me at the moment) got banned from any other forum website because of what he called me saying that i am a dumbass, after all what would you do if someone called you that would you take it or get back at them? and why are you wondering the same thing about me i never did anything offencive!

If you come into a PC thread going "PC's can't handle the graphics" then you are not going to get a warm hand shake and a pat on the back. We get that kind of rubbish nearly everyday and I spend some of my time rebuking what they say. Infact I often get private messages from these people saying "you have changed my mind on PC gaming and graphics". However it does get tiresome after a while having to say the same old thing over and over again. I always remain open to the chance I may be wrong, but so far the consoles have produced nothing that my PC's can't run better, yet the PC has Crysis which could not run on a console without a major downgrade.

 

anyway is it too late to change my opinion about GTA IV?

It is never too late to change your opinion, infact it shows strength of character to do so, rather than stick to an opinion that has been blatantly proven to be wrong. A bit of personal advice though, if you want to experience PC gaming to it's fullest then get a desktop PC, you are never going to be able to appreciate games on a laptop.

hey i've got to ask this, you said that a labtop that has good gaming capabilities costs around 5000 in the brittish currency, would you or anyone else know how much that is in the austrailian doller because i wouldent have a clue.

 

and my graphics card is

Nvidia 7300GTS with 384MB of ram

[DML]

 

hey i've got to ask this, you said that a labtop that has good gaming capabilities costs around 5000 in the brittish currency, would you or anyone else know how much that is in the austrailian doller because i wouldent have a clue.

 

and my graphics card is

Nvidia 7300GTS with 384MB of ram

5000 pounds would equate to around 10 to 15 grand Australian. It could buy an absolute killer laptop.

 

Dell (for example) have a gaming laptop for AUD $3000. The laptop includes the following...

 

- Intel Core 2 Duo T7700 2.4GHz

- 2GB DDR2 667MHz

- 2 x 160GB HDDs

- dual nVidia 8700M GT GPU 512MB (2x256MB)

- 17" screen

 

I'm not that experienced with how well laptops run modern games, but I'd imagine that machine, although not even half as good as a desktop model of the same price (built yourself), should have no trouble running most new games at reasonable levels of graphical quality.

[matt_hrkac]

 

hey i've got to ask this, you said that a labtop that has good gaming capabilities costs around 5000 in the brittish currency, would you or anyone else know how much that is in the austrailian doller because i wouldent have a clue.

 

and my graphics card is

Nvidia 7300GTS with 384MB of ram

5000 pounds would equate to around 10 to 15 grand Australian. It could buy an absolute killer laptop.

 

Dell (for example) have a gaming laptop for AUD $3000. The laptop includes the following...

 

- Intel Core 2 Duo T7700 2.4GHz

- 2GB DDR2 667MHz

- 2 x 160GB HDDs

- dual nVidia 8700M GT GPU 512MB (2x256MB)

- 17" screen

 

I'm not that experienced with how well laptops run modern games, but I'd imagine that machine, although not even half as good as a desktop model of the same price (built yourself), should have no trouble running most new games at reasonable levels of graphical quality.

damn 15 grand!! hell yeah that would buy an absolute killer labtop too bad i don't have that kind of money!

 

my labtop is a fairly recent one that cost around $2000 AUD it has the following:

-Intel Core Duo T2350, 1,86 GHz-prosesor

-1GB DDR2 533MHz

-2x HDD's = 120GB

-Up to 384MB NVIDIA GeForce Go 7300-graphics

-15.4'' WXGA Acer CrystalBrite LCD (16ms) screen

 

i can play my games with thier graphics turned down to thier medium settings which isent too bad, i guess

and thanks for the help with the money question.

Edited January 22, 2008 by matt_hrkac

[turboturd]

hey i've got to ask this, you said that a labtop that has good gaming capabilities costs around 5000 in the brittish currency, would you or anyone else know how much that is in the austrailian doller because i wouldent have a clue.

 

and my graphics card is

Nvidia 7300GTS with 384MB of ram

5000 pounds would equate to around 10 to 15 grand Australian. It could buy an absolute killer laptop.

 

Dell (for example) have a gaming laptop for AUD $3000. The laptop includes the following...

 

- Intel Core 2 Duo T7700 2.4GHz

- 2GB DDR2 667MHz

- 2 x 160GB HDDs

- dual nVidia 8700M GT GPU 512MB (2x256MB)

- 17" screen

 

I'm not that experienced with how well laptops run modern games, but I'd imagine that machine, although not even half as good as a desktop model of the same price (built yourself), should have no trouble running most new games at reasonable levels of graphical quality.

damn 15 grand!! hell yeah that would buy an absolute killer labtop too bad i don't have that kind of money!

 

my labtop is a fairly recent one that cost around $2000 AUD it has the following:

-Intel Core Duo T2350, 1,86 GHz-prosesor

-1GB DDR2 533MHz

-2x HDD's = 120GB

-Up to 384MB NVIDIA GeForce Go 7300-graphics

-15.4'' WXGA Acer CrystalBrite LCD (16ms) screen

 

i can play my games with thier graphics turned down to thier medium settings which isent too bad, i guess

and thanks for the help with the money question.

Nice laptop only problem with that though is the graphics card in it. I had the LE version and i killed it in a 9months lol

[CharmingCharlie]

Yep fraid so the Go7300 is probably the lowest chipset you can get. To put it into perspective I can get a 7300LE for £20, my 8800gts cost me £175. The price gives an indication of the difference in power. I am actually amazed you can get any gaming out of the 7300LE at all.

 

As DML said if you want to play games you will need a laptop with at least a 8700m chipset, even then that probably wouldn't play the games as well as my cheap core2duo with 8600gt. The best bet is to get hold of one of the new laptops with the 8800m chipset in but prepare to mortgage your house for it. You really do pay through the nose for portability.

 

Is there no way you can consider going the desktop route ? I mean you get 10x the power for a lot less if you sacrifice mobility.

 

As a general rant though (and this isn't aimed at you Matt) it amazes me that people have no compulsion forking out £300 for a console but they bitch and moan that their PC which has a 20 quid graphics card in it, is slow and doesn't have the same graphics as the consoles... well DUH.

Edited January 22, 2008 by CharmingCharlie

[matt_hrkac]

 

Yep fraid so the Go7300 is probably the lowest chipset you can get.  To put it into perspective I can get a 7300LE for £20, my 8800gts cost me £175.  The price gives an indication of the difference in power.  I am actually amazed you can get any gaming out of the 7300LE at all.

 

As DML said if you want to play games you will need a laptop with at least a 8700m chipset, even then that probably wouldn't play the games as well as my cheap core2duo with 8600gt.  The best bet is to get hold of one of the new laptops with the 8800m chipset in but prepare to mortgage your house for it.  You really do pay through the nose for portability.

 

Is there no way you can consider going the desktop route ? I mean you get 10x the power for a lot less if you sacrifice mobility.

 

As a general rant though (and this isn't aimed at you Matt) it amazes me that people have no compulsion forking out £300 for a console but they bitch and moan that their PC which has a 20 quid graphics card in it, is slow and doesn't have the same graphics as the consoles... well DUH.

well i got my graphics card in my labtop when i brought it (obviosly) and i wouldent have a clue on how to install a new graphics card.

 

i used to have a desktop computer before it stuffed up and broke down on me and i got rid of it when i could of gotten it fixed at a computer shop

 

and i agree with you on the last comment as well as PC's can play far supirior games than any console, sure you will get you crap games for the PC as well but generaly they can play better games which is why i mainly play my PC games over my console games. i have GTA Sanandreas on the PS2 and have had it since it came out in 2004 but then the PC version came out not too long after, looking at screen shots of the PC version i thought to myself "i knew i should've waited for the PC realece.

Edited January 23, 2008 by matt_hrkac

[GM Dude]

I certainly hope so.

I have a new PC that's probably going get GTA on it soon, so

that would rock, if so.

[turboturd]

Yep fraid so the Go7300 is probably the lowest chipset you can get.  To put it into perspective I can get a 7300LE for £20, my 8800gts cost me £175.  The price gives an indication of the difference in power.  I am actually amazed you can get any gaming out of the 7300LE at all.

 

As DML said if you want to play games you will need a laptop with at least a 8700m chipset, even then that probably wouldn't play the games as well as my cheap core2duo with 8600gt.  The best bet is to get hold of one of the new laptops with the 8800m chipset in but prepare to mortgage your house for it.  You really do pay through the nose for portability.

 

Is there no way you can consider going the desktop route ? I mean you get 10x the power for a lot less if you sacrifice mobility.

 

As a general rant though (and this isn't aimed at you Matt) it amazes me that people have no compulsion forking out £300 for a console but they bitch and moan that their PC which has a 20 quid graphics card in it, is slow and doesn't have the same graphics as the consoles... well DUH.

well i got my graphics card in my labtop when i brought it (obviosly) and i wouldent have a clue on how to install a new graphics card.

 

i used to have a desktop computer before it stuffed up and broke down on me and i got rid of it when i could of gotten it fixed at a computer shop

 

and i agree with you on the last comment as well as PC's can play far supirior games than any console, sure you will get you crap games for the PC as well but generaly they can play better games which is why i mainly play my PC games over my console games. i have GTA Sanandreas on the PS2 and have had it since it came out in 2004 but then the PC version came out not too long after, looking at screen shots of the PC version i thought to myself "i knew i should've waited for the PC realece.

exactly, consoles have to butcher the game to get them running smooth unlike pcs

[ThomasPL]

What is better? PC with 8800GT, Q9300 and 2GB ram or PS3?

[matt_hrkac]

What is better? PC with 8800GT, Q9300 and 2GB ram or PS3?

the PC would be better probely.

charlie would know.

but i think the PC you mentioned would be better.

[DML]

What is better? PC with 8800GT, Q9300 and 2GB ram or PS3?

If you want to play PS3-games (games which exist only on the PS3), then the PS3 is "better". But, if it's system performance you're after, then that PC would win easily.

[CharmingCharlie]

 

What is better? PC with 8800GT, Q9300 and 2GB ram or PS3?

You want the long answer or the short one ah hell I will give ya the short one first, a game available on the PS3 and the PC will run significantly better on the PC.

 

Now for the fun answer . Eh where to begin. Okay lets look at this bit by bit :-

 

RSX gpu vs 8800gt

 

The RSX in the PS3 is an UNDERclocked modified 7800GTX (no matter what any ps3 fanboy tells you). Now you go to any Tech site and you will clearly see a 8800gt is TWICE as powerful as the 7800GTX. That is before we even take into account they had to underclock the RSX to keep the heat problem under control. I mean NVidia are great gpu's for PC's but seriously crap for consoles, why do you think MS dumped them for ATI. So there is no debate the 8800gt bitch slaps the RSX and robs it's pathetic lil purse.

 

Cell BE vs Quadcore Q9300

 

This is where it gets murky. On the face of it you have the PS3 running 7 cores @ 3.2ghz (this does not equate to 7 x 3.2ghz that fanboys claim). Against 4 cores @ 2.5ghz (again not 4 x 2.5ghz). So you would think "hey the PS3 is twice as fast". Oh if only everything in life was that simple. Now first up the PS3 processor is so simplified that in some tasks it can't even beat an 800mhz Pentium 3. The instruction set on the PS3 is no better than the old Pentium 1. However on certain tasks the PS3 excells and yes it leaves even a quadcore for dust, the problem is those tasks are rarely found in games.

 

A good explaination is this, the Quad is a formula 1 racing car, the Cell BE is a Rocket powered jet car. Now on a straight desert track the jet car would leave the formula 1 race car in it's dust cloud. However on a racing track with twists, turns and bends the formula 1 race car would slaughter the jet car. Now unfortunately games have more in common with a formula 1 racing track, there are branches, loops, twists bends. The quad can handle all this with ease. With the Cell BE, programmers have to do their best to unloop code and avoid branches. Now depending on how successful they are at unlooping and unbranching will relate to how fast the code runs on the Cell BE. This is generally why games look better towards a consoles end life than at the beginning, because coders get better at optimising the code to work with the simplified processors in consoles.

 

Now I would say at this moment game wise a Quad would beat the hell out of a Cell BE, a few years down the road when coding is better the Cell BE may be better, however it will also be doing it's damndest to help prop up the aging 7800gtx that got shoved in.

 

Memory

 

Don't be fooled by the 3.2ghz XDR memory in the PS3, it's fast for a reason, the reason being there isn't much of it (only 256mbs) PC's do not need memory that fast simply because we have tons of the stuff. The fast speed of the XDR memory means data can be written and read nearly 3 times faster than the PC, however PC's generally have 12 times the memory pool of the PS3.

 

Conclusion

 

As DML says if you want to play PS3 games then you will have to get a PS3, Sony is incredibly anti-competitive and will NEVER allow any of it's first party games to come to any other system (which is their right). However if you want to play PC only games (yes there are still some) and console ports then there is no debate the PC will ALWAYS play the games in a higher resolution and faster frame rate than the 360/PS3, plus mouse and keyboard beats the hell out of those joypad thingies anyday. If you want to read more, then here is an excellent article explaining away all the myths :-

 

http://dpad.gotfrag.com/portal/story/35372/?cpage=1

 

It's a pretty good read and not too technical.

[DML]

What is better? PC with 8800GT, Q9300 and 2GB ram or PS3?

 

...lets look at this bit by bit :-

 

...

Once again, a thorough explanation into the core differences (ptp) between the modern PC and the not-so-modern and quickly-aging "next-gen" console.

 

Unfortunately, trying to explain that to the loyal console yappers, is a futile act. I've tried it in a less-technical way, and I've seen you try it...it always ends the same -- with us simply leaving the particular thread, through frustration, and through sorrow for the misled console believers.

[VISALI]

http://gtainside.hungames.hu/site/gal/GTA%...a4screen136.jpg

http://gtainside.hungames.hu/kepek/hirek/gtaIVxp.jpg

 

BUILDING MATCH!!! = PC VERSION

Edited January 23, 2008 by VISALI

[ThomasPL]

http://gtainside.hungames.hu/site/gal/GTA%...a4screen136.jpg

http://gtainside.hungames.hu/kepek/hirek/gtaIVxp.jpg

 

BUILDING AGREEMANT!!! = PC VERSION

what?

[VISALI]

Sorry, I am bad at english. The buildings are similar.

[nlitement]

If someone was to "prove" the known (that a PC version exists), then they should at least list all the files with some screenshots and whatnot menu items.

[VISALI]

http://gtaplace.hu/mambots/content/multith...lozetes.062.jpg

http://gtaplace.hu/mambots/content/multith...lozetes.063.jpg

 

Look at the pixels. The second picture is better, than the first picture.

I think, the first picture is from the PC version.

Edited January 23, 2008 by VISALI

[CharmingCharlie]

I think you need to explain things a bit better VISALI because I don't think anyone has a clue what you are on about (I know I haven't). If you are saying that one of the screenshots is taken from the PC version, I would have to be incredibly skeptical that even Rockstar would be that moronic and I have a low opinion of Rockstar but I can't believe they would be that stupid to do it.

[whiteraven]

A beutiful molotov cocktail ! Put it on weapons !

 

http://media.gtanet.com/images/3890_gta_iv.jpg

 

Niko' s hand .

[nlitement]

What does that have to do with anything?

[medley]

Its just got to! I'm not gonna be content with playing the odd game of it at my mates house

[EntropicLqd]

Look at the pixels. The second picture is better, than the first picture.

I think, the first picture is from the PC version.

So you are saying that the first picture must be from the (alleged) PC version because it looks worse that the second picture.

 

1. Please read the entire thread from start to finish. You will see many posts detailing why this is unlikely.

 

2. better/worse is pretty subjective. I will concede that the second picture looks like it has a little more AA applied to it than the first. However, the second picture might be from a cut-scene where the engine cn scale up the detail a little because it has control. GTA games use a LOT of different tricks to keep performance at a reasonable level when things get "busy".

 

 

[Brutuz]

Look at the pixels. The second picture is better, than the first picture.

I think, the first picture is from the  PC version.

So you are saying that the first picture must be from the (alleged) PC version because it looks worse that the second picture.

 

1. Please read the entire thread from start to finish. You will see many posts detailing why this is unlikely.

 

2. better/worse is pretty subjective. I will concede that the second picture looks like it has a little more AA applied to it than the first. However, the second picture might be from a cut-scene where the engine cn scale up the detail a little because it has control. GTA games use a LOT of different tricks to keep performance at a reasonable level when things get "busy".

It is possible, if they're using older hardware.

 

Makes me wonder if there will be a DX10 version... (If there's even a PC version, which I hope there is)

[DML]

Look at the pixels. The second picture is better, than the first picture.

I think, the first picture is from the PC version.

Why would you say that?

 

The competition for the most illogical and nonsensical statement closed a few months ago.

 

It's a shame that your entry is too late...you probably would've won.

[kill4100]

they really should make a PC version !!!

[CharmingCharlie]

usaki

Look at the pixels. The second picture is better, than the first picture.

I think, the first picture is from the  PC version.

Why would you say that?

 

The competition for the most illogical and nonsensical statement closed a few months ago.

 

It's a shame that your entry is too late...you probably would've won.

Well the joke is kinda on VISALI really isn't it. I mean if he is saying the first picture is from the PC version because it is crap graphically, then what he is saying in reality is the console version is crap because all screenshots were taken from the 360 version. But that is no biggie we always knew GTA 4 on the consoles would be a low resolution, low framerate game

 

Now on another note and sorta not entirely to do with GTA 4, I thought this was kinda cool. They have managed to recreate the whole of London using the Crysis Sandbox editor (damn that game rocks) admittedly it looks a bit naff due to no textures (it is a work in progress) :-

 

http://www.n4g.com/gaming/News-103529.aspx

[Jar0(SLO)]

Have you seen that?

 

 

Just a rumor for now

Following the earlier announcement from Rockstar Games about the release date for the Xbox 360 and PS3 versions of Grand Theft Auto IV, French website Jeux Expo is reporting that the PC version of the game will be launched in Europe in October 2008.

 

 

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