GTA IV for PC

[CharmingCharlie]

 

There is my point. You buy a machine, and after 4 years, you have to upgrade it to play the "newer" games.

 

It's posts like this that just make me want to sigh, let's go through your dubious points shall we :-

 

 

Playstation 2 is like what 10 years old, and it's still playing its new games. Sure they aren't that much advanced, however, PS2's power has still YET to be tapped, but look how awesome, SOME of the games are. Gran Turismo 4 only used 25% of PS2's power. Xbox 360 4 years from now will still be playing newer games, even as tech for them get better.

Tell ya what please show me an Xbox 360 or a PS3 game that runs on a PS2 or Xbox 1. There aren't any for obvious reasons. Yet the MODERN games coming out today on the PC can be played on 3 - 4 year old PC's. As far as I know there isn't a MODERN console game that will play on a 3-4 year old console. The PS2's power was tapped a long long time ago, the only people that don't accept that are Sony fanboys. You yourself made the error of saying GT4 used "25% of PS2's power", there is NO such measurement. I can assure you GT4 used 100% of the PS2's power, the only thing that improved was the EFFICIENCY of programming the thing. So here we are again new consoles radically crippled hardware, can the developers make use of what they learned in the PS2 era ? No they can't because Sony went and radically changed everything again, so the developers are back at square one AGAIN. You don't get that problem with PC's the programming techniques are well honed, they have been developed over 20 years.

 

You claim the PS2 got better as it aged........ erm no it didn't it started out playing games at 640 x 480 and it finished it's life playing games at 640 x 480. In that same time period PC gamers went from 640 x 480 res way up to 1280 x 1024, yep that is right whilst you were stuck with SD resolutions PC gamers were already enjoying High Definition graphics beyond even what the PS3 and 360 are capable of today. So which is the truly evolving improving platform, I personally would say it is the PC, it sure looks like it to me.

 

 

Also I saw somewhere that consoles don't get upgrades? False. Xbox 360's are getting hardware updates. More efficient chips, slightly powerful GPU's, infact M$ is working to combine the CPU, and GPU into one super efficient mega chip.

Generally when people talk about upgrading we refer to improving and enhancing the performance of a machine. The upgrades you mention there do NOTHING to change the performance graphics wise to your games. It may make the console cheaper for MS to make, or it might make the console more reliable but it does not IMPROVE the technical abilities of the thing. Your new and improved 360 will play the games just like an old 360 no matter what upgrades MS do. That is the nature of the beast they can't improve the power of the consoles it is LOCKED for a 5 - 6 year period.

 

 

I'd rather spend $300-400 on a new console, play all the new games, then have to buy something new for my PC, then have to open it, and carefully install it. Then after I have put in the new part, the old one is just sitting there.

Another complete load of rubbish, you do not just spend $400 - $500 on a console and you are done with it. You never STOP paying for your console, everytime you buy a game $15 - $20 dollars goes to MS/Sony. So if you buy one game a month that console costs you an extra $240 PER YEAR. Now over the life of a console that is what $1000 nearly, you could build a pretty decent PC with that. I love PC games because they are CHEAP, PC games are usually $15 - $20 LESS than the console counterparts (I wonder why). So by buying PC only games I save myself over $1000 which is more than enough to pay for the next PC build...... Hm consoles are cheap, I don't think so if you look at it objectively.

 

 

Unless you got pockets to invest in a Quad Core, the new ATi 1GB GPU, and a MoBo with enought slots for 16GB of RAM that Vista x64 can handle, then its not worth it. All games made for the Xbox work on the xbox. All games made for PC, don't work on every PC. As far as I am seeing nowadays, at least us XBox users don't have to install sh** on our hard drives to play games. I shouldn't have to use up my storage space, or have to go out to buy a component to play games.

Now for a starters you do not need a quadcore or a 1gb ATI GPU. I have TWO very modest PC's one dedicated to gaming and a media server BOTH play games better than the 360 and by that I mean with better framerates and higher resolutions etc etc. You can easily do PC gaming on a budget and still have graphics that blow the consoles away. As for your "oh we don't need to install games" yeah isn't that a great loss, just imagine how good GTA 4 could be if it was streaming from the hard disc instead of a slow cumbersome DVD. Instead 360 users have to put up with the drive churning the disc and crunching it like it is a cereal bar (I know I have one). If a game is installed to hard disc there is no searching for discs you just double click a game and you are away, they load faster and allow the developers more breathing room to create fantastic games and the only downside is a 10 minute install. I find it incredulous in this day and age that anyone would be bragging that they can still run games from a DVD. A DVD for a game like GTA 4 is holding the game back, it is a game that needs streaming from a hard disc.

 

 

To the guy who said why did I factor the price of a monitor, it's because everyone doesn't have a monitor laying around, but everyone has a TV laying around. I could go on, but price wise, consoles win.

I can connect a PC to a normal SD TV, infact I do have a PC connected to a SDTV and a monitor. Sure the graphics on a SDTV look truly awful but then the same could be said for these "HD" consoles. To get the most out of a 360/PS3 you need either a HD TV or a PC monitor. If you do not have either of those things then it is pretty pointless owning a 360/PS3. So yes I would say it is prudent to add the cost of a HD TV to the price of these consoles too.

 

As for "price wise consoles win" erm nope I have already shown you that consoles are infact MORE expensive over a long term, sure in the short term they look cheap, but in the long run you PAY MORE because you never finish paying for your console.

 

 

Gears of War will work on every single Xbox 360, but will it work on every single PC? Hmmm....

Yeah just like Bully Scholarship edition works on all 360's, just like GTA 4 works on all 360's ............ Oh no wait a minute that isn't the case is it, infact I do believe that older 360's have problems running these modern games. Oh well it was a nice fantasy whilst it lasted wasn't it.

 

 

[jelly]

Lol, 'super efficient mega chip'.

 

There are several reasons for die shrinks and other refinements, none of them have to do with increasing performance.

 

1) Less power consumption

2) Less heat development

3) Smaller die means more chips per wafer, cheaper manufacturing costs

 

They're combining the chips on one substrate so they can save more money by placing one large heatsink on them. It's about saving money, not improving the console.

 

Even if they did that, imagine how ripped off previous 360 owners would feel? The whole point of the console would be gone.

[Smiler-Online]

I am now starting to get a bit sick of seeing all of these arguements over whether the consoles or PCs are better...

 

Were in a PC based topic, so obviously 99% of the people here will say the PCs are better

 

So you console boys go F*ck off some where else! and just let us get back to discussing the F*ckin Topic!!

 

If you wanna slag off something what you haven't got then create a F*ckin thread called 'jelous people come and slag off PCs in here!'.

 

 

And i dont want to see any of you Tw*ts aroud here again!!

[bblancobrnx]

There is my point. You buy a machine, and after 4 years, you have to upgrade it to play the "newer" games.

 

It's posts like this that just make me want to sigh, let's go through your dubious points shall we :-

 

 

Playstation 2 is like what 10 years old, and it's still playing its new games. Sure they aren't that much advanced, however, PS2's power has still YET to be tapped, but look how awesome, SOME of the games are. Gran Turismo 4 only used 25% of PS2's power. Xbox 360 4 years from now will still be playing newer games, even as tech for them get better.

Tell ya what please show me an Xbox 360 or a PS3 game that runs on a PS2 or Xbox 1. There aren't any for obvious reasons. Yet the MODERN games coming out today on the PC can be played on 3 - 4 year old PC's. As far as I know there isn't a MODERN console game that will play on a 3-4 year old console. The PS2's power was tapped a long long time ago, the only people that don't accept that are Sony fanboys. You yourself made the error of saying GT4 used "25% of PS2's power", there is NO such measurement. I can assure you GT4 used 100% of the PS2's power, the only thing that improved was the EFFICIENCY of programming the thing. So here we are again new consoles radically crippled hardware, can the developers make use of what they learned in the PS2 era ? No they can't because Sony went and radically changed everything again, so the developers are back at square one AGAIN. You don't get that problem with PC's the programming techniques are well honed, they have been developed over 20 years.

 

You claim the PS2 got better as it aged........ erm no it didn't it started out playing games at 640 x 480 and it finished it's life playing games at 640 x 480. In that same time period PC gamers went from 640 x 480 res way up to 1280 x 1024, yep that is right whilst you were stuck with SD resolutions PC gamers were already enjoying High Definition graphics beyond even what the PS3 and 360 are capable of today. So which is the truly evolving improving platform, I personally would say it is the PC, it sure looks like it to me.

 

 

Also I saw somewhere that consoles don't get upgrades? False. Xbox 360's are getting hardware updates. More efficient chips, slightly powerful GPU's, infact M$ is working to combine the CPU, and GPU into one super efficient mega chip.

Generally when people talk about upgrading we refer to improving and enhancing the performance of a machine. The upgrades you mention there do NOTHING to change the performance graphics wise to your games. It may make the console cheaper for MS to make, or it might make the console more reliable but it does not IMPROVE the technical abilities of the thing. Your new and improved 360 will play the games just like an old 360 no matter what upgrades MS do. That is the nature of the beast they can't improve the power of the consoles it is LOCKED for a 5 - 6 year period.

 

 

I'd rather spend $300-400 on a new console, play all the new games, then have to buy something new for my PC, then have to open it, and carefully install it. Then after I have put in the new part, the old one is just sitting there.

Another complete load of rubbish, you do not just spend $400 - $500 on a console and you are done with it. You never STOP paying for your console, everytime you buy a game $15 - $20 dollars goes to MS/Sony. So if you buy one game a month that console costs you an extra $240 PER YEAR. Now over the life of a console that is what $1000 nearly, you could build a pretty decent PC with that. I love PC games because they are CHEAP, PC games are usually $15 - $20 LESS than the console counterparts (I wonder why). So by buying PC only games I save myself over $1000 which is more than enough to pay for the next PC build...... Hm consoles are cheap, I don't think so if you look at it objectively.

 

 

Unless you got pockets to invest in a Quad Core, the new ATi 1GB GPU, and a MoBo with enought slots for 16GB of RAM that Vista x64 can handle, then its not worth it. All games made for the Xbox work on the xbox. All games made for PC, don't work on every PC. As far as I am seeing nowadays, at least us XBox users don't have to install sh** on our hard drives to play games. I shouldn't have to use up my storage space, or have to go out to buy a component to play games.

Now for a starters you do not need a quadcore or a 1gb ATI GPU. I have TWO very modest PC's one dedicated to gaming and a media server BOTH play games better than the 360 and by that I mean with better framerates and higher resolutions etc etc. You can easily do PC gaming on a budget and still have graphics that blow the consoles away. As for your "oh we don't need to install games" yeah isn't that a great loss, just imagine how good GTA 4 could be if it was streaming from the hard disc instead of a slow cumbersome DVD. Instead 360 users have to put up with the drive churning the disc and crunching it like it is a cereal bar (I know I have one). If a game is installed to hard disc there is no searching for discs you just double click a game and you are away, they load faster and allow the developers more breathing room to create fantastic games and the only downside is a 10 minute install. I find it incredulous in this day and age that anyone would be bragging that they can still run games from a DVD. A DVD for a game like GTA 4 is holding the game back, it is a game that needs streaming from a hard disc.

 

 

To the guy who said why did I factor the price of a monitor, it's because everyone doesn't have a monitor laying around, but everyone has a TV laying around. I could go on, but price wise, consoles win.

I can connect a PC to a normal SD TV, infact I do have a PC connected to a SDTV and a monitor. Sure the graphics on a SDTV look truly awful but then the same could be said for these "HD" consoles. To get the most out of a 360/PS3 you need either a HD TV or a PC monitor. If you do not have either of those things then it is pretty pointless owning a 360/PS3. So yes I would say it is prudent to add the cost of a HD TV to the price of these consoles too.

 

As for "price wise consoles win" erm nope I have already shown you that consoles are infact MORE expensive over a long term, sure in the short term they look cheap, but in the long run you PAY MORE because you never finish paying for your console.

 

 

Gears of War will work on every single Xbox 360, but will it work on every single PC? Hmmm....

Yeah just like Bully Scholarship edition works on all 360's, just like GTA 4 works on all 360's ............ Oh no wait a minute that isn't the case is it, infact I do believe that older 360's have problems running these modern games. Oh well it was a nice fantasy whilst it lasted wasn't it.

charlie, don't even waste your time. These points have been thoroughly covered in the 400+ pages here. You have nothing to defend about PC gaming. You know it is better and so do most rational people.

[freak2121]

Does anyone think a Quadcore 8500GT with 4GBs of ram on a vista 64bit will be able to run it?

[SynTerro]

 

Does anyone think a Quadcore 8500GT with 4GBs of ram on a vista 64bit will be able to run it?

It will but how good I don't know, 8500 is not a very good card I herd.

[trip]

If you wanna slag off something what you haven't got then create a F*ckin thread called 'jelous people come and slag off PCs in here!'.

 

 

And i dont want to see any of you Tw*ts aroud here again!!

dude.....you just cracked me up....

 

could be the beer but i'm kinda thinking it was your closing line.

 

 

and to stay on topic:

the whole piracy argument. f*ck that. i do not condone piracy, but there was a time in my life when i was downloading software at 300 baud.....before the internet.....before the (now history)common x86 pc architecture. my point is piracy has always been a ploblem for software. so, this whole developers wont release stuff because of pc people pirating is bull. [deleted rant]. i'll just leave a friendly reminder to support the developers, and remember they are people just like you and me. every once in a while they might want to have a pizza delivered or feed their child or something extravagant like that.

[freak2121]

Does anyone think a Quadcore 8500GT with 4GBs of ram on a vista 64bit will be able to run it?

It will but how good I don't know, 8500 is not a very good card I herd.

Thats all I needed to know, I just want to run it if it comes out, I'm used to low quality games

[neshtak]

can't you just actually get console version of the game and then emulate it, somehow, on pc?

[CharmingCharlie]

to emulate the 360/PS3 would take a pretty hefty system, one that doesn't even exist yet. You have to keep in mind they are only just getting PS2 emulation together and even then that requires a dualcore cpu to run at any decent speed. It will be many many years before we see any form of 360/PS3 emulation if ever.

 

@freak2121 that is a nice processor you have there just curious why you put such a low end card in with it. It's a bit like owning a ferrari and putting bicycle wheels on it . Is it not possible for you to move up to a better card, at the moment the recommended is either an 8800gt or even a 9600gt (which is a budget end card but still plenty of power). I guess the thing I am saying is that 8500gt is really holding your PC back big time.

Edited May 29, 2008 by CharmingCharlie

[freak2121]

@freak2121 that is a nice processor you have there just curious why you put such a low end card in with it. It's a bit like owning a ferrari and putting bicycle wheels on it . Is it not possible for you to move up to a better card, at the moment the recommended is either an 8800gt or even a 9600gt (which is a budget end card but still plenty of power). I guess the thing I am saying is that 8500gt is really holding your PC back big time.

I know it's not a very good card but it definantly serves a truckload more than a radeon 9200. At the moment I cannot afford a better PC.

[Cdnalsi]

So you're telling me that the X9000 Extreme CPU overclocked to 3.2Ghz with 8Gigs of RAM and 2x8800GTX SLi couldn't emulate the Xbox360?

[CharmingCharlie]

 

So you're telling me that the X9000 Extreme CPU overclocked to 3.2Ghz with 8Gigs of RAM and 2x8800GTX SLi couldn't emulate the Xbox360?

yes that is exactly what I am telling you. Look these are the specs to run a PS2 emulator on the PC :-

 

 

Minimal Specs:

AMD 64 or Intel Pentium 4 (VM Build will not work with non SSE2 CPU's)

512MB of RAM

Pixel Shader 2.0 supporting card

 

Recommended Specs: (For reasonable performance in many games, but not all)

AMD64 X2 or Intel Conroe E6600+ (Multi Threading is supported in PCSX2)

512-1024MB of RAM (more RAM allows for VM mode to be stable)

Pixel Shader 2.0 supporting card (recommended GeForce 6600-8800 or equivalent ATi card)

 

Possible Ideal Specs:

64bit OS such as Vista or winXP64, to allow for future support of 64bit recompilers.

Future AMD or Intel Quad Core maybe needed, but currently the support of 4 threads is not handled by PCSX2, and the effect of threading out EE / VU is not yet known.

We don't forsee you requiring a GPU more powerful than the current generation of cards, up to and including the nVidia GeForce 8800.

That is just to run a PLAYSTATION 2 emulator. As you can see it needs a pretty hefty system this is not because the PS2 had tons of power but more down to the fact you are running a cpu on a cpu, software emulation is not ideal, why do you think Sony dumped the idea of software emulation of the PS2 on the PS3. Now it is estimated that the PS3 is roughly 10 times more powerful than the PS2, so do the maths and you will see that currently there is nowhere near enough power to emulate either the 360 or the PS3. I am not being a fanboy or anything, but we have to be realistic here.

 

@freak2121 if you ever get the opportunity to take a step up in graphics card power you will have your mind blown away. Just to give you an idea the 9600gt is probably 3 - 4 times more powerful than the card you currently own. However I hear where you are coming from and hopefully you will be able to get some playability out of the PC version of GTA 4.

[freak2121]

@freak2121 if you ever get the opportunity to take a step up in graphics card power you will have your mind blown away. Just to give you an idea the 9600gt is probably 3 - 4 times more powerful than the card you currently own. However I hear where you are coming from and hopefully you will be able to get some playability out of the PC version of GTA 4.

You don't know what I was missing, I struggled to run SA on fps higher than around 20 at the resolution of 640x600

[Smiler-Online]

Hmmmm...

 

Well its the 29th today so lets hope that this "stolen copy" of GTAIV is genuine!!.

[Sunrise Driver]

 

Most people have HD TV, a 26" starts at 300-400 bucks.

Where did you find it!? In our region it costs $2000 and higher.

 

 

can't you just actually get console version of the game and then emulate it, somehow, on pc?

It'll be possible in 10 yeaars.

[forgrif]

Most people have HD TV, a 26" starts at 300-400 bucks.

Where did you find it!? In our region it costs $2000 and higher.

 

 

can't you just actually get console version of the game and then emulate it, somehow, on pc?

It'll be possible in 10 yeaars.

 

and by then new consoles will be out

[Delite]

R* can suck my ass hair. f*cking loony console sluts. ima go piss in Dan Houser's Maxwell coffee and when he drinks it ima jump outta the closet and punt him in the head.

 

and when he go down ima teabag him until his secretary comes along, and ima knock her out with Dan's Snickers bar and then take a lump on her forehead.

 

phewz.

[mkey82]

 

What is the highest temp you have ever seen it reach?

I had it going on 83 deg, I think. On maximum CPU usage. I wanted to see how far will it go and it stabilized somewhere near that temperature. Like I said, Intel really dropped the ball on that one (power consumption wise). As far as computing goes, that proc handles himself well. He and 9800PRO can run COD4 slightly below medium, Cryis on minimum, X3 above medium. They complement each other well. They are outdated, but not outdated as some consoles.

 

 

Last time I heard that Saints Row 2 and Dead Space would be on PC. Is it true?

Saints Row 2 is coming to PC as far as I know, though I have worries that it might not be true. The reason is that THQ official homepage for UK shows that it will come to PC but the US homepage shows no PC page. Also there has been no fficial statement about it.

Well, they are trying to kill PC market in US, aren't they.

 

 

Most people have HD TV, a 26" starts at 300-400 bucks.

Where did you find it!? In our region it costs $2000 and higher.

IMHO he's full of crap. In my country you can get that kind of screen starting at 600$ but those are the crappy ones. Sony (Bravia is it) goes for 1100$. Well, you can get a pretty nice monitor for that sum. And people tend to forget that bigger the diagonal on HD TV more the image gets stretched. It looks OK a couple of meters away, but on monitor you are at less then one meter from it so you need crisp and sharp image.

 

And one more thing, talking about "upgrading" x360. You don't upgrade, you REPLACE the whole god damn thing. You purchase a brand new unit. This is why M$ likes you so much. You give them a lot of money for OUTDATED hardware. Also, when you replace GPU or CPU, the old ones can be easily sold and that money can be invested into upgrades. Don't forget that. When that x360 dies on you it's just plain dead worthless piece of crap. 33% failure rate, and people still defend it.

 

Most of crap directed towards console users is intended for those that come in here and spout a lot of garbage. Like "PC gaming is a LOT more expensive" and "go on and buy a god damn x365, right now, because M$ said so and we all should does they say". We'll, f*ck all those morons. They are not getting an ounce of respect from me.

 

EDIT: Just checked the figures at VGChartz.com and I cant believe I haven't spotted this earlier. x365 sold 5.13M GTA IV copies and PSP3 sold 3.61 million but JAPAN figures are NOT INCLUDED. Could this possibly mean PSP3 GTA IV outsold the x365? In spite the incredible, oh magnificent DLC business? Lets assume a bit, shall we. IMHO there haven't been more then 500t x365 copies of GTA sold in Japan. So the total would be 5.63M. On the other hand, there are at least 1.8M GTA IV copies sold in Japan for PSP3. So, it would total 5.41M. And this is worse case scenario.

Edited May 29, 2008 by mkey82

[TruXter]

 

Most people have HD TV, a 26" starts at 300-400 bucks.

Where did you find it!? In our region it costs $2000 and higher.

 

 

can't you just actually get console version of the game and then emulate it, somehow, on pc?

It'll be possible in 10 yeaars.

 

and by then new consoles will be out

Well there is the chance of not emulating it, and just

Buyig it for 360 & modding a few files here and there

and making it work on the pc.

 

Porting it ourselves.

[mkey82]

 

Well there is the chance of not emulating it, and just

Buyig it for 360 & modding a few files here and there

and making it work on the pc.

 

Porting it ourselves.

and

 

 

If you wanna join the (in plannings) GTAIV PC port team then just add it to your signature!.

(We will start looking for the team to work on this starting from june the 15th if there is no GTA IV: PC announcement!)

You are aware of how much work that implies? Assets should not be that hard to convert, if we had some tools. But converting the executables? We don't even have the x365 decompiler. And once the code is compiled you need to convert it to something PC can understand. In an efficient way, of course. Then bug test it. Then, probably, face a lawsuit from R* for doing their work.

 

But seriously, this could be considered as modding, not hacking. I know there is a license agreement that prevents people from changing the PC exe files, but I don't know it that extends to consoles.

 

EDIT: Again, seriously we're raving mad and stupid only to consider this.

 

EDIT2:

 

Hmmmm...

 

Well its the 29th today so lets hope that this "stolen copy" of GTAIV is genuine!!.

There is a warez link floating around that says GTA IV for PC . It's probably a hoax.

Edited May 29, 2008 by mkey82

[TruXter]

 

It's probably a hoax.

Surely it is.

Unless some dude did it himself and it turned out easier than we expect.

 

But mostlikely it's a fruity game like pong with 4 gigs of spyware and trojans

That conume your hard drive and crap it out into the internet allowing

someone somewhere access to everything you just lost.

 

 

The trick is, .

 

Not to distribute anything other than tips on what files to mod. and how to mod them.

If anything is distributed , it can't be directly from the cd/dvd. But made to work fine with the

Disk.

[mkey82]

 

The trick is, .

 

Not to distribute anything other than tips on what files to mod. and how to mod them.

If anything is distributed , it can't be directly from the cd/dvd. But made to work fine with the

Disk.

Does that include patchers? The port would practically consist of "only" some PC executable files we would need to make ourselves (that would be the PC GTA IV engine) which would then fetch all the necessary data from the x360 game disk. Actually no modification of any files in memory would be need for.

[TruXter]

The trick is, .

 

Not to distribute anything other than tips on what files to mod. and how to mod them.

If anything is distributed , it can't be directly from the cd/dvd. But made to work fine with the

Disk.

Does that include patchers? The port would practically consist of "only" some PC executable files we would need to make ourselves (that would be the PC GTA IV engine) which would then fetch all the necessary data from the x360 game disk. Actually no modification of any files in memory would be need for.

Hmm a step in a safe direction.

[AlinH92]

 

The trick is, .

 

Not to distribute anything other than tips on what files to mod. and how to mod them.

If anything is distributed , it can't be directly from the cd/dvd. But made to work fine with the

Disk.

Does that include patchers? The port would practically consist of "only" some PC executable files we would need to make ourselves (that would be the PC GTA IV engine) which would then fetch all the necessary data from the x360 game disk. Actually no modification of any files in memory would be need for.

Hmm a step in a safe direction.

this could be a hope.. because waiting is painful.. IF we get the game in oct/nov there will be nothing new to discover, we already know allot of stuff.. this xbox porting could be so great..

 

edit: i really trust some people in this thread, because they have the amount of knowledge to do something like this

[DML]

...Sony (Bravia is it) goes for 1100$.

I see the profanity censor doesn't seem to be working, as you said the word "Sony", and it is considered offensive language around these parts.

 

I'm just joking by the way...you are simply referring to Sony's consumer electrical division...they make good sound systems, TVs, and professional video cameras etc...it's Sony Computer Entertainment who is the actual filthy sh*t-hawk scum-nest.

[mkey82]

 

I'm just joking by the way...you are simply referring to Sony's consumer electrical division...they make good sound systems, TVs, and professional video cameras etc...it's Sony Computer Entertainment who is the actual filthy sh*t-hawk scum-nest.

Well I must be honest and say that I despise M$ more then Pony because M$ with this DLC stuff is devastating GTA. If what I believe is correct, M$ carved GTA IV only to get more dollars from their little minions. And they think M$ is doing them a favor. "Yeah, instead paying 50$ for proper retail PC release, we're going to give to M$ 60$ for a beta and additional 60$ for two DLCs. Yeepee!". All the money they are poring into consoles they got, of course, from PCs. How much is enough for them?

 

Alin15, I don't think it's going to happen

[MISTO]

No news about the Russian site?

[AlinH92]

No news about the Russian site?

i guess that was just some fake sh*t.. :|

[AcidicGamer]

I say that if we wont hear anything untill the end of june i give up.....and it will most probably be released early 2009