GTA IV for PC

[Jyrgen]

An interesting read here: Microsoft: Perception not us is pc gamings big problem.

So Microsoft helps pc gaming but at the same time they wont make forza and pgr to pc.

I thought they are only interested in xbox gaming.

Read this article (confusing )

[jelly]

 

An interesting read here: Microsoft: Perception not us is pc gamings big problem.

So Microsoft helps pc gaming but at the same time they wont make forza and pgr to pc.

I thought they are only interested in xbox gaming.

Read this article (confusing )

They are jumping around the real issue: They like PC gaming as a cash cow they can milk to subsidize their console business and sell 360s cheaper than Wiis. They only care about us as far as they can throw us, and as far as we can fund the next Xenon die shrink and the next exclusive release they need to bribe their way to.

[nlitement]

.. Houser actually said the P word?

 

1UP: The theme in GTA4 seems to revolve around relationships -- building them with characters using your cellphone.

 

SH: Cultivating relationships, like [in] the real world, is bloody hard. People get pissed off with you; they expect you to call them back. That's one of the things that I've personally been obsessed with in games for years.... I think the first time I really felt that in a videogame -- not a PC game -- was in Star Fox on the Nintendo 64.

 

http://www.1up.com/do/feature?pager.offset=1&cId=3167500

 

 

So is he saying that PC games are not videogames, or that PC games are more immersing and therefore need to be separated from console games?

 

EDIT: Also..

 

 

1UP: Let's talk about the hardware issues. Back when GTA4 was delayed, PS3 technical hurdles were cited as a contributing factor. I take it those have been ironed out.

 

SH: I don't know what anybody's said on that stuff. I didn't say anything, and I stay out of it.... Both machines are absolutely fantastic, but they both come with strengths and weaknesses. The strength of the 360 is a very, very accessible, familiar, effective environment to work in. You're making the game from the get-go, everyone understands its PC environment -- boom, off we go. It's pretty good. One of the problems with the 360, and it affects games like Grand Theft Auto if you think about how much content we put in the actual machine, is the fact that they don't have a significantly larger storage medium than the previous systems. It's a slightly bigger DVD disc.

 

It's as if Houser said that just to f*ck with PC gamers.. "yeah, the 360 is good because programming for it is SORTA LIKE programming for PCs.. but for some reason we don't like PCs."

Edited April 22, 2008 by nlitement

[Jops]

 

    .. Houser actually said the P word?

 

1UP: The theme in GTA4 seems to revolve around relationships -- building them with characters using your cellphone.

 

SH: Cultivating relationships, like [in] the real world, is bloody hard. People get pissed off with you; they expect you to call them back. That's one of the things that I've personally been obsessed with in games for years.... I think the first time I really felt that in a videogame -- not a PC game -- was in Star Fox on the Nintendo 64.

 

http://www.1up.com/do/feature?pager.offset=1&cId=3167500

 

 

So is he saying that PC games are not videogames, or that PC games are more immersing and therefore need to be separated from console games?

 

EDIT: Also..

 

 

1UP: Let's talk about the hardware issues. Back when GTA4 was delayed, PS3 technical hurdles were cited as a contributing factor. I take it those have been ironed out.

 

SH: I don't know what anybody's said on that stuff. I didn't say anything, and I stay out of it.... Both machines are absolutely fantastic, but they both come with strengths and weaknesses. The strength of the 360 is a very, very accessible, familiar, effective environment to work in. You're making the game from the get-go, everyone understands its PC environment -- boom, off we go. It's pretty good. One of the problems with the 360, and it affects games like Grand Theft Auto if you think about how much content we put in the actual machine, is the fact that they don't have a significantly larger storage medium than the previous systems. It's a slightly bigger DVD disc.

 

It's as if Houser said that just to f*ck with PC gamers.. "yeah, the 360 is good because programming for it is SORTA LIKE programming for PCs.. but for some reason we don't like PCs."

Just read that myself. He seems like an intelligent enough guy who has a clear sense of self-perception and ethics but he pretty much flat out said how microsoft came to their aid "beyond his greediest expectations". Not to take what he said completely out of context since he was referring to Xbox360 hard-drive support. But whether or not he is in bittered to the PC market and modding because of the hot coffee fiasco or because he accepted large sums of money from microsoft to delay or permanently prevent a PC port remains to be seen.

 

If Rockstar were to not release GTA4 on the PC because of hot coffee then they would be complete hypocrites. This article confirms that and after reading it I think these dudes are self aware enough not to cave under the pressure and release a PC version not only because its a financially sound thing to do but because its the right thing to do.

 

I wonder if that article is the entire interview or if there is a full version with some mention of the PC.

[nlitement]

Yeah, he sounded more intelligent and down to earth there. Or was it Dan Houser who sounded a bit silly in these recent interviews?

 

Anyway, I'm sure he's as much of a PC gamer as anyone of us here is, it's only that from a business point of view he or a superior of his wants to maximize profits by forcing PC gamers to buy consoles, and THEN buy the PC version again (and there's even a bigger reason to do it now, beacuse GTA IV despite beign more "grandiose" than SA is and WILl be less profitable than SA, so let alone the PC version they'll still need to keep boosting sales).

[¤FireStyle¤]

 

Im quite sure that gta 4 finds it way to pc ( i hope it finds it fast) cool.gif

and to all console guys: i have like amd3500+ which is 4 years which is older than you consoles old and it runs all games like crysis, assassins creed and i dont think that gta 4 is going to have better graphics than crysis

by the way i olny have improved my memory because i olny had 512mb now i have 1,5gb(try upgrade your console)

i also can see many games find their way to pc now like mass effect.

 

 

....Yea I think so too. Been lookin at the latest screenshots and I really do think now that alot of people are actually going to be able to run gta IV quite well, because the gfx are (or at least seems to me) less demanding on your gpu than say...crysis..or bioshock. I mean even gears of war and UT3 don't have very high system req and the gfx are really really good. Some of the texture work is insane !!!

 

So I really do think that the average PC should be able to at least run gta IV...

[Jops]

That Sam Houser interview really makes me believe more than ever that as a matter of principal GTA4 WILL be released on the PC. Like I said before, to concede in this case on the point of avoiding controversy is hypocrisy.

 

I never really understood why GTA4 is expected to sell even less than the previous GTA installments. The economy is in rough shape but in the three years between San Andreas and GTAIV I doubt a 50-60 dollar game is any more a luxury item to the average joe then it has been. What am I missing?

 

 

 

 

 

 

[waxpants]

i really really really hope it does, it one of the main reasons i built such a good pc

[nlitement]

That Sam Houser interview really makes me believe more than ever that as a matter of principal GTA4 WILL be released on the PC. Like I said before, to concede in this case on the point of avoiding controversy is hypocrisy.

 

I never really understood why GTA4 is expected to sell even less than the previous GTA installments. The economy is in rough shape but in the three years between San Andreas and GTAIV I doubt a 50-60 dollar game is any more a luxury item to the average joe then it has been. What am I missing?

Less console units now than there were PS2s alone in 2004.

[GTA_Godfather]

I don't know if R* knows what the "right" thing is or what their principles actually are. I know they are persnickety when it comes to the details of the game (though it is watered down by the consoles), but beyond that...? Maybe they know what the right thing is, but can't resist the allure of the dollar - like a kid that can't keep his hand out of the cookie jar.

 

Seeing R* release it within 6 mos. wouldn't necessarily change my opinion either. It's just the same thing we have dealt with since GTA III. I'd like to see R* make a positive step to give the PC platform as much credence as the console versions (simultaneous release for starters).

 

We never get the chance to peek into the minds of Sam, Dan, and others at R*, because discussing anything related to the PC must be "off-limits". What I wouldn't give to know what's going on behind the scenes.

 

 

 

[SerratedDrums]

I would give my left nut...and possibly my right, to know what is going on at R*!

[CharmingCharlie]

I have to admit I am getting really sick of these interviews at the moment. They seem to ask Rockstar every damn question under the sun, I mean I swear I saw some interviewer ask Dan Houser what underwear he wears . Yet the ONE bloody question millions gamers want asking, never gets asked.

[SynTerro]

Maybe they don't allow them to ask the question or else it will be no interview.

[richh999]

 

I have to admit I am getting really sick of these interviews at the moment.  They seem to ask Rockstar every damn question under the sun, I mean I swear I saw some interviewer ask Dan Houser what underwear he wears  .  Yet the ONE bloody question millions gamers want asking, never gets asked.

Well we all know what underwear he wears. Its the fluffy pink ones with an extra large hole in the back for Microsoft and R*.

That question cannot be asked because then the interveiwer won't get all the freebies.

 

@ waxpants. You also built such a good computer to play other games which to be honest will most likely be better like, Stalker 2, Mafia 2 and I'm sure there are some old titles which intrest you as well.

 

P.S. Is anyone else board of Crysis? I'm playing it a second time with my new graphics card to see how good it is and I'm getting kind of board.

[TheJabMan]

Yeah, Crysis is pretty much a glorified tech demo... once you get over running vehicles into houses and throwing people into mindfields it gets pretty mundane.

 

Anyways.... back to GTA IV

 

Im guessing it'll be out for PC's, but I doubt we'd get the same release dates on games until every game comes with the ability to play cross platform multiplayer. Even then, there is no reason for the console milking to stop... which is unfortunate.

[CharmingCharlie]

 

Well we all know what underwear he wears. Its the fluffy pink ones with an extra large hole in the back for Microsoft and R*.

That question cannot be asked because then the interveiwer won't get all the freebies.

 

Well thanks for that image I will have a very sleepless night tonight, already booked an appointment with a stress counselor tomorrow. But yeah I guess you are right, the media can't really be trusted these days, none of them have any balls left. You can't trust interviews and previews. Hell it has got that bad now you can't even trust reviews anymore. I feel so let down by the PC media though, none of them are presuring Rockstar to give us an answer. I can only hope that this will not continue after the console release is gone and forgotten (which it will be as hard as it is to believe right now). I think at the moment everyone is "assuming" there will be a PC version, so no one is really taking it to Rockstar about it. I wonder how long it will take for things to change and for people to start asking the questions every PC gamer in this thread has been asking for nearly 4 years.

 

 

P.S. Is anyone else board of Crysis? I'm playing it a second time with my new graphics card to see how good it is and I'm getting kind of board.

BLASPHEMER ...... Stone him I say Nah you are quite right Crysis is a beautiful game that didn't live up to expectations. I think I played through it about 5-6 times and it started to become a chore. Those alien levels really stank to high heaven I honestly do not know what Crytek were thinking. The only two PC only titles I am looking forward too at the moment are Spore, Stalker, Empire Total War, Starcraft 2 and Duke Nukem (if it ever arrives). Ok so that is more than two, I must keep repeating to myself "the pc is dying". I have to say I am really going off console ports though, the games just feel so bland and limited, I will give Mass Effect ago and if that lives up to expectations I may try another port or two. But I can see myself avoiding games that have console versions, simply because the game gets ruined. Naturally if GTA 4 does come out and it is a decent port I will buy it.

[DML]

 

So, everything's just great in PC-land? Does Unangst see any barriers that prevent or limit some users from gaming on PCs? "The biggest barrier to PC gaming is the perception that there is a barrier," he says. "I mean that very seriously."

 

So if you're having issues gaming on your PC, it seems you should blame your "perception," not Microsoft.

About this imaginary "barrier", he is completely correct. We have all seen the posts stating "wow, the PC will never be able to run GTA IV...the graphics are so uber", but, we have also seen people from both Sony and Microsoft, constantly refer to the XBox 360 and PS3 as somehow always being "next-gen", even though, now (2 years after that dreaded term entered mainstream), they are still being labeled as "next-gen". The pressing of this "next-gen" term has contributed largely to this "perception" that Microsoft says is the cause for concern in the PC gaming industry. So yes, Microsoft IS partly to blame, because they contributed to the spawning of such misperception.

[TruXter]

I would give my left nut...and possibly my right, to know what is going on at R*!

I can think of alternatives.

 

A frickin xbox360 would be cheaper and less shameful.

 

Give it a year and I will decide whether or not I want to buy an xbox360 just to see this game.

[Buster23]

 

I am sorry to say but some users (you know who you are... Buster23 and Dude0) lately make this thread a major pain. The truth be said, things got a little bit dead the last week and it seems we need some brainless people to stir things up.

 

I am not saying you (Buster23 and Dude0) should not post here. Post, but use your brains while you do that. Please.

 

Dude0, it's hard to get what is it you want to say and frankly I don't care. Your posts are practically random and brainless. I would like to express my condolences to your parents and wish you all the best. Even though, as a local proverb says, the luck stays with the stupid people (or stupid people are lucky; 'm not sure how to translate that).

 

Buster23, you post show that you are not brain dead like that poor sap Dude0, but from time to time your brain pull some ugly tricks on you, doesn't it?

 

As you said, console gaming is cheaper. Yes, it is. For those who don't use their brains. If it was cheaper then PC gaming, I would buy some console which can rung GTAIV and enjoy it when it gets released. As people have pointed it out, the only moment when you actually can "save" some money while purchasing a console is on and near it's release date. MS and Sony need to make the price competitive while sustaining substantial losses so it seems that console gaming is cheaper then PC gaming.

 

But then, you get that average Joe which is not stupid, knows some stuff about PCs and hardware in general and he tries to see what's in the package. On the very first day they're out, consoles use at least one year old hardware equivalent. Equivalent because the ware in consoles is not standard, hence it's production and development costs A LOT. Also, the hardware you get is NOT reliable. Especially the x360. These points can not be argued because they are facts.

 

Now, year and a half after the launch of PS3 and more the two years after the launch of x360, if you take 600$ you can go and buy a new PC which will outperform the both consoles (regarding gaming, I will not even mention all the other PC features; people speak of x360 live service like "we can download multimedia" (no sh*t). Outperform consoles and are RELIABLE. It will not break down three times in two years.

 

Buster23, you like to speak of upgrading. You can upgrade your PC every 4 or 5 years, just as you "upgrade" consoles. Not that many PC gamers buy the new wares all the time. My PC is old  6 years (I payed for it 1100$ WITH monitor and have upgraded the memory, CPU and GPU for 200$. Had I purchased the PS2 and PS3 during that period I would have spent something like 1100$ (in my country) and it's highly probable that the PS2 wouldn't last for more then a year since ALL people I know that owned a PS2 had it working correctly for a max of 18 months. A friend of mine during those 6 years bought 3 (TREE) consoles because the first two broke down (the third one got "upgraded" to PS3 so it didn't get it's chance to get busted). So, my friend spent something like 1200$ on his PS2 consoles and additional 800$ for the PS3. Without a TV and such.

 

Note that this discussion speaks of buying new PC, not upgrading. If I took my current PC and upgraded I would need to invest something like (mem+mbo+cpu+gpu) 600$ to get a machine that kicks this gen consoles but. Basically, if you have good base components, it's "cheap" to upgrade. Only GPU and CPU.

 

Ah, games. Let's talk about games and their prices. In my country the price difference is 40$. Console titles go for a typical 100$, while the most expensive PC game (currently Crysis) costs 70$. Normally, new games you can get for 60$. In more developed counties the price difference is 10$. If you purchase 10 games per year, you get something like a 500$ during the expiry  period of a console (5 years). Well, 500$ will ofer you a nice upgrade for your PC during those 5 years. I beleive your argument fails.

 

You made a nice point for renting games for 8$. That's a nice deal, but most people purchase games becasue they want to own it for more then a couple of days. How many days does that 8$ provide for? Also, let me remind you that PC games can be LEGALLY downloaded for a price between 15 and 30$. It makes that 60$ per game figure even more ridiculous, doesn't it?

 

 

Don't forget that a PC port is likely to happen 6 months to 1 year from now.

It will most probably happen. And the game will sell at least 2 million copies.

I got the rrod and MS replaced it. Never had a problem with any other consoles. I keep them in spots with good ventilation and give them a rest every 3 hours. My 8800gt died after 2 months and thats with an auto fan config with rivatuner that kept the card from going over 70 celsius. EVGA replaced it. Pc isnt immune to issues.

 

You cant go 4-5 years on mid range upgrades and high end would be higher than the cost of a console. I upgraded to a 3500+ and 6800gt in 2004 for $600-700 and new games are unplayable on even low at this point. If I did a mid range upgrade back then it would have needed to be upgraded much sooner. I cant really complain because I got hours and hours of enjoyment with that setup.

 

Steam is usually the same price as retail, at least in the U.S.

 

I dont follow pricing in other coutries so I can only speak for the U.S. I've only said this about 5 times now.

 

$8 rental is for five days. With all the time I put into TF2 and BF2 and some other mp games, I dont have time to replay games like Assassins Creed, Bioshock, R6 vegas. I probably wouldnt replay even if i had the time. The number of games I spend 15 or less hours on, greatly outnumbers the games that offer good bang for the buck like GTA for example.

 

I saved $42 on each the following games: Bioshock, Assassins Creed, R6 Vegas 1 and 2, Graw 1 and 2. Graw pc is different but I couldnt even max the game with my 6800gt, the aliasing was horrific and while I like lean and shoot fps I prefer 3rd person with a cover system. Thats $252 saved. Maybe $232 if the Graws were $40 when released. Plus a playthrough of games like The Darkness and Condenmed at $8 apiece is awesome bang for the buck.

 

I continue to keep a current pc since the platform still gets great exclusives like Stalker, COH and Witcher plus games like Elder Scrolls and GTA are better on pc.

 

Godfather annoyed me even more than the console fanboys. Thats what got me started.

As a rule, PC's generally last longer than Consoles, not only in support either, in how long the damn thing runs for, my PS2 is dead after 6 years, and I have a 12 year old computer in my cupboard that still runs perfectly, and it can barely run XP (Took about 3 days to install last I tried...)

 

I have a x1600Pro, I brought it for AU$50 off eBay, that along with my $100 CPU and $100 motherboard, lets me play Crysis on Medium @ 1440x900 at around 50fps minimum.

 

Buster23: Stop double posting, I haven't been posting on this board for nearly 4 years (old account: Brutuz) to see you do that! (Lolfake'namvetstyletalking)

 

Buster23: PC gaming is cheaper when you account it over the long term, Console games do cost more, and not to mention, The TV costs more than a LCD monitor, and You need to buy controllers (PC's usually have a good keyboard + mouse that lasts longer than some of the parts, I have a 15 year old mouse that works still somewhere), LIVE sub's for the 360, etc, it adds up fast, and although if your just buying a console for a couple games, not playing online or with friends using Split Screen, then PC usually ends up cheaper, and don't try and pull the "6800GT can't run any games!" since my card is the same speed in everything without AA/AF (ATI cards suck at it for some reason) and it can run the most demanding game on medium, 'cept for AA/AF, if you want, I could try the same game with my 6800GS 512Mb, I'll just have to get a cooler for it.

I play more different console games yet spend more on pc games. Cant rent pc games in the U.S. LCD monitors do work with consoles.

 

50fps minimum in Crysis? That card wouldnt do Far Cry maxed at 1280x1024 and stay above 50fps. Stop making up nonsense.

 

Double posting usually means accidentally posting the same thing twice. What I do is done on every other forum I go to. Easier for someone to skim through posts and see if anyone replied.

 

 

[mkey82]

 

That Sam Houser interview really makes me believe more than ever that as a matter of principal GTA4 WILL be released on the PC. Like I said before, to concede in this case on the point of avoiding controversy is hypocrisy. 

 

I never really understood why GTA4 is expected to sell even less than the previous GTA installments. The economy is in rough shape but in the three years between San Andreas and GTAIV I doubt a 50-60 dollar game is any more a luxury item to the average joe then it has been. What am I missing?

Well, those ultra nice ultra cheap consoles are selling like crap. Even though it's ultra uber nobody sane wants it. Link, basically, x360 will probably reach the xbox sales (18 to 24 million). Well, maybe, since that sale numbers are plummeting for xbox on week by week basis. What PS3 is concerned, they are NOT (IMHO) reaching their sales figures (almost 12 million comparing to almost 118 million). That's almost 10 times less PS3 consoles. Wow, I though they were uber and much better then any PC could ever be. How wrong was I ? Of course, there is a lot of time left and maybe PS3 will manage to sell better during time. If we take the age of consoles, probably it would be a better idea to compare future sales of GTAIV to GTAIII rather then GTA SA. But here goes nothing.

 

Lets analyze a bit. 118m PS2 consoles managed to sell 15m GTA SA copies and 24m xbox consoles have sold 2m (link). At the time SA was released there were something like 71m PS2 units and xbox managed to push 21m units on market (all this data is obtained from wikipedia release dates and vgchartz.com sales numbers). Lets crank those numbers

 

 

 

 

on PS3 12/71*15=2.5m. Wow, I'm impressed. This figure should extrapolate to ALL TIMES sales. We used the console sales numbers that match dates of releases of GTAIV and GTA SA respectively and multiplied it with the grand total GTA SA sales on PS2. Of course NOT accurate but a nice indicator, IMHO.

 

 

 

on x360 18/21*2=1.7m. Since the xbox version of GTA SA was delayed, let's use a factor of 2 so we get something like 3.5m. OMG, all the hype for nothing .

 

 

 

To cut this long story short. "My" sale predictions for PS3 match public ones (2 to 3 million) while those 6 predicted millions for X360 are, IMHO, blown out of proportion. There is no reason to assume that every third xbox gamer is going to purchase GTAIV. Even with all the hype going on. Something like 4 million should do the trick. The sad thing is that with all the crap going down, PC will be able to push at least 2 million copies. Maybe even 3. This is why people at Cockstar and Take2UpTheAss (I just came up with this ) should rethink their marketing plan. If they release the next GTA at the same time as for consoles, they will probably be able to boost their sales for a neat 30%. Plus Steam which somehow goes unaccounted for. Isn't that funny? The declare PC gaming dead without asking those 15 million Steam users a god damn thing. It's like if a coroner would come and declares a person dead just by examining their ass. You need to check the pulse, also.

 

 

I would give my left nut...and possibly my right, to know what is going on at R*!

No, you should not. Keep them both, for gods sake .

 

Buster23, edit the posts, cut the quoted quotes out, you are only causing havoc. Show some respect for this thread.

Edited April 23, 2008 by mkey82

[Nemon]

 

That Sam Houser interview really makes me believe more than ever that as a matter of principal GTA4 WILL be released on the PC. Like I said before, to concede in this case on the point of avoiding controversy is hypocrisy. 

 

I never really understood why GTA4 is expected to sell even less than the previous GTA installments. The economy is in rough shape but in the three years between San Andreas and GTAIV I doubt a 50-60 dollar game is any more a luxury item to the average joe then it has been. What am I missing?

 

edit: Hey, I thought I saw mkey82 at wiki just now!

 

As of January 2008, PS3 sales was approx 10 million units, while as of February 22nd Xbox360 had sold 18 million units.

 

That's approx 28 million potential customers.

 

The PS2 had by November 2007 sold 120 million units. If we imagine that by the GTA SA release it had sold, say 100 million units (I would think most people bought it from 2001-2005), the numbers of potential customers are about three times larger before the release of SA than of IV.

 

San Andreas sold 21.5 million units, including xbox and pc. It did not outsell Gran Turismo 3 A-spec (14,8 million) on the PS2.

 

In many ways, the PS3 is a failure. The "next-gen"-hype is ridiculous! When announced it was like OMG! But by launch it was already outdated, its components surpassed by better, faster and more cost-effective parts. Sony lost money for each unit sold, and the PS3 took eight place on PC World magazine’s list of "The Top 21 Tech Screwups of 2006".

 

So, less potential customers than its predecessors, GTA IV would need a PC release in order to make moar money!

Edited April 23, 2008 by Nemon

[Sunrise Driver]

 

So, less potential customers than its predecessors, GTA IV would need a PC release in order to make moar money!

GTA IV need a PC release to look normal with fine graphics and normal controls.

P.S. Don't punish me but I think that aiming system in GTASA PC ver. is better than in GTA4 console ver.

[nlitement]

So, less potential customers than its predecessors, GTA IV would need a PC release in order to make moar money!

GTA IV need a PC release to look normal with fine graphics and normal controls.

P.S. Don't punish me but I think that aiming system in GTASA PC ver. is better than in GTA4 console ver.

Nah, man, we agree.

[DZorro]

I don't understand companies these days. They started on the pc, en then switch to consoles ?? That sucks. They should stick to the ones that maid them big in the first plays and screw those consoles. I really hope they will release a pc version, i tried a console like playstion 2, and eventually wen't back to pc. And i'm sticking by my pc anyday over any other consoles.

[mkey82]

 

An interesting read here: Microsoft: Perception not us is pc gamings big problem.

Well, I read it and there are some things I just don't understand. For one, does this guy work for MS that tries to promote its child of darkness or MS that tries to "save" PC gaming. IMHO PC gaming doesn't need any saving. Only to think MS is saving PC gaming? It's like I am on fire and someone tries to "save" me by poring gasoline all over me .

 

 

We're very happy with the sales of Vista so far

Yeah, for corporate users, who play games all the time... no, they don't (not officially, anyway). Interesting bit is that most office PCs in my country are pure and utter crap. So, how does then Vista reflect on those specs? Basic office PC is like some sorry ass celeron, 512 MB of ram and integrated graphics on a sorry ass mobo. Yeah, that PC can run Vista nicely. Smooth and crisp without any stalling whatsoever. :sarcam: times three.

 

 

When we moved to XP there were very similar concerns.... [about] expensive new hardware. Game developers and video card makers had to rewrite drivers for the operating system. We've now had Vista out for over a year; we've attacked this on a couple of fronts and it continues to get better.

IMHO, the difference in system requirements between Vista and XP is NOWHERE near the difference between XP and Windows2000.

 

 

We went to publishers, we've got the majority of top publishers signed up who've been delivering games... they've delivered some really high-quality AAA titles.

WTF is he talking about? They went to publishers and did what? They tried to bribe them into not releasing for PC at all, but have failed at it so now that is their success as far PC gaming is concerned? WTF?

 

 

We've made great progress, but there's still more to be done - when you walk into a store it'd a carnival for the consoles.

I would call it a circus rather then carnival. Also, PC gamers are step by step loosing their need to go to stores.

 

 

We have to do a better job of communicating the value of PC and giving it more credit.

Well, start by not putting the PC down. Can this guy be more hypocrite then he already is?

 

 

There is a reason you don't see WoW on the console; the gameplay is fantastic on the PC

Oh my, I could swear I saw a flying pig out of the window. Why doesn't MS reflect this statement more often. I mean, how can there be a game that can't be played on consoles when there are so many uber console titles than none PC could even try to run?

 

DZorro, it's all about selling out. It's not even about money from the actual sales but for heavy subsidizing (MS and Sony make money elsewhere) cash flow that goes consoles way. Imagine if you went into some PC equipment shop and bough components for new rig (say 1300$) and the guy gave you a brand new, cutting edge graphics card to go with it, for free. Wouldn't that be grand? Just think what kind of boost would PC gaming get from that sort of "business". This is what PC is competing these days when handling with demented console manufacturers gone on an horrific ego trip.

[simkas]

I don't understand companies these days. They started on the pc, en then switch to consoles ?? That sucks. They should stick to the ones that maid them big in the first plays and screw those consoles. I really hope they will release a pc version, i tried a console like playstion 2, and eventually wen't back to pc. And i'm sticking by my pc anyday over any other consoles.

Yeah, I'd wish something would happen and all consoles would just suddenly stop working. I could give my one foot for that to happen.

[jelly]

Buster and the ones replying to him, read my previous post in here.

 

 

Hello,

 

The intention of this thread is the discussion of an eventual PC version. Seeing as this prospect rests on pure speculation at the moment with no announcements or info leaks, it inevitably veers off a little into similar open-world games that are actually announced for the PC (Mafia 2, APB, et cetera), some R* bashing and the occasional clueless user coming in here trying to troll the regulars and bait them into huge flame wars.

 

Unfortunately, they usually succeed. Please, in the future, when genuinely clueless people or others who come in here and post false claims simply to bait you into flaming and getting aggravated, just report them for trolling and move on. Perhaps a level-headed, calm post to put them on the right track. If they persist in their ridiculous claims and try to skew the thread more, don't continue replying, just wait for us to view the reports.

 

There are only a few of you in here who actually report these guys rather than replying to them in the same fashion they post here. Just elevate yourselves above them and ignore them, they're just craving attention. This topic is for the discussion of an eventual IV PC version and the occasional off-topic skew, not flame wars between console and PC users.

 

Stay on-topic, and most of all avoid the fighting and bitching.

[chris76]

I have to admit I am getting really sick of these interviews at the moment. They seem to ask Rockstar every damn question under the sun, I mean I swear I saw some interviewer ask Dan Houser what underwear he wears . Yet the ONE bloody question millions gamers want asking, never gets asked.

Do you remember my report about the german game magazine which asked THE question . What makes me sick about this interviews is, for R* and all the other people involved, there seems to exsist nothing like a PC... they talk about technical issues as if the console technologie is the best they know.

[nlitement]

DML!

 

Remember that little promise you made? Yeah, it's time for you to do it now.

[CharmingCharlie]

DML!

 

Remember that little promise you made? Yeah, it's time for you to do it now.

Ohhhhhhhhhh I wonder what you could mean . Let's see the damn console kiddies throwing the piracy argument in our face now eh