GTA IV for PC

[Buster23]

 

I got the rrod and MS replaced it. Never had a problem with any other consoles. I keep them in spots with good ventilation and give them a rest every 3 hours. My 8800gt died after 2 months and thats with an auto fan config with rivatuner that kept the card from going over 70 celsius. EVGA replaced it. Pc isnt immune to issues.

 

You cant go 4-5 years on mid range upgrades and high end would be higher than the cost of a console. I upgraded to a 3500+ and 6800gt in 2004 for $600-700 and new games are unplayable on even low at this point. If I did a mid range upgrade back then it would have needed to be upgraded much sooner. I cant really complain because I got hours and hours of enjoyment with that setup.

 

Steam is usually the same price as retail, at least in the U.S.

 

I dont follow pricing in other coutries so I can only speak for the U.S. I've only said this about 5 times now.

 

$8 rental is for five days. With all the time I put into TF2 and BF2 and some other mp games, I dont have time to replay games like Assassins Creed, Bioshock, R6 vegas. I probably wouldnt replay even if i had the time. The number of games I spend 15 or less hours on, greatly outnumbers the games that offer good bang for the buck like GTA for example.

 

I saved $42 on each the following games: Bioshock, Assassins Creed, R6 Vegas 1 and 2, Graw 1 and 2. Graw pc is different but I couldnt even max the game with my 6800gt, the aliasing was horrific and while I like lean and shoot fps I prefer 3rd person with a cover system. Thats $252 saved. Maybe $232 if the Graws were $40 when released. Plus a playthrough of games like The Darkness and Condenmed at $8 apiece is awesome bang for the buck.

 

I continue to keep a current pc since the platform still gets great exclusives like Stalker, COH and Witcher plus games like Elder Scrolls and GTA are better on pc.

 

Godfather annoyed me even more than the console fanboys. Thats what got me started.

Last time i checked this topic wasn't to discus whether or not a console is cheaper than a PC but to post theory's about a possible PC release of GTA IV. In Community is a nice forum called tech & PC chat in which you can be discussing hardware and costs between consoles and PC's all day.

As I stated earlier it is likely that we'll see a PC release. They haven't denied it which would give them more profit and their entire lineup on Steam. Steam btw is cheaper for me so your stores must be real cheap They can be trusted to go where the money goes and with PC community of GTA being pretty big due to modding etc. they will certainly make money out of it.

 

EDIT: On the top right in your post is a button called EDIT, push on it and you can add something to your old post so you don't have to post twice in a row, just a tip.

You speak as if I started this off topic discussion.

 

You couldnt resist either with your comment on Steam.

 

COD 4, Assassins Creed and R6 Vegas are $50, Company of Heroes is $20 on Steam. Same as Best Buy and any other retailer.

 

You think Demonic Angel has the attention span to read through my response to mky82?

[Democrab]

I am sorry to say but some users (you know who you are... Buster23 and Dude0) lately make this thread a major pain. The truth be said, things got a little bit dead the last week and it seems we need some brainless people to stir things up.

 

I am not saying you (Buster23 and Dude0) should not post here. Post, but use your brains while you do that. Please.

 

Dude0, it's hard to get what is it you want to say and frankly I don't care. Your posts are practically random and brainless. I would like to express my condolences to your parents and wish you all the best. Even though, as a local proverb says, the luck stays with the stupid people (or stupid people are lucky; 'm not sure how to translate that).

 

Buster23, you post show that you are not brain dead like that poor sap Dude0, but from time to time your brain pull some ugly tricks on you, doesn't it?

 

As you said, console gaming is cheaper. Yes, it is. For those who don't use their brains. If it was cheaper then PC gaming, I would buy some console which can rung GTAIV and enjoy it when it gets released. As people have pointed it out, the only moment when you actually can "save" some money while purchasing a console is on and near it's release date. MS and Sony need to make the price competitive while sustaining substantial losses so it seems that console gaming is cheaper then PC gaming.

 

But then, you get that average Joe which is not stupid, knows some stuff about PCs and hardware in general and he tries to see what's in the package. On the very first day they're out, consoles use at least one year old hardware equivalent. Equivalent because the ware in consoles is not standard, hence it's production and development costs A LOT. Also, the hardware you get is NOT reliable. Especially the x360. These points can not be argued because they are facts.

 

Now, year and a half after the launch of PS3 and more the two years after the launch of x360, if you take 600$ you can go and buy a new PC which will outperform the both consoles (regarding gaming, I will not even mention all the other PC features; people speak of x360 live service like "we can download multimedia" (no sh*t). Outperform consoles and are RELIABLE. It will not break down three times in two years.

 

Buster23, you like to speak of upgrading. You can upgrade your PC every 4 or 5 years, just as you "upgrade" consoles. Not that many PC gamers buy the new wares all the time. My PC is old  6 years (I payed for it 1100$ WITH monitor and have upgraded the memory, CPU and GPU for 200$. Had I purchased the PS2 and PS3 during that period I would have spent something like 1100$ (in my country) and it's highly probable that the PS2 wouldn't last for more then a year since ALL people I know that owned a PS2 had it working correctly for a max of 18 months. A friend of mine during those 6 years bought 3 (TREE) consoles because the first two broke down (the third one got "upgraded" to PS3 so it didn't get it's chance to get busted). So, my friend spent something like 1200$ on his PS2 consoles and additional 800$ for the PS3. Without a TV and such.

 

Note that this discussion speaks of buying new PC, not upgrading. If I took my current PC and upgraded I would need to invest something like (mem+mbo+cpu+gpu) 600$ to get a machine that kicks this gen consoles but. Basically, if you have good base components, it's "cheap" to upgrade. Only GPU and CPU.

 

Ah, games. Let's talk about games and their prices. In my country the price difference is 40$. Console titles go for a typical 100$, while the most expensive PC game (currently Crysis) costs 70$. Normally, new games you can get for 60$. In more developed counties the price difference is 10$. If you purchase 10 games per year, you get something like a 500$ during the expiry  period of a console (5 years). Well, 500$ will ofer you a nice upgrade for your PC during those 5 years. I beleive your argument fails.

 

You made a nice point for renting games for 8$. That's a nice deal, but most people purchase games becasue they want to own it for more then a couple of days. How many days does that 8$ provide for? Also, let me remind you that PC games can be LEGALLY downloaded for a price between 15 and 30$. It makes that 60$ per game figure even more ridiculous, doesn't it?

 

 

Don't forget that a PC port is likely to happen 6 months to 1 year from now.

It will most probably happen. And the game will sell at least 2 million copies.

I got the rrod and MS replaced it. Never had a problem with any other consoles. I keep them in spots with good ventilation and give them a rest every 3 hours. My 8800gt died after 2 months and thats with an auto fan config with rivatuner that kept the card from going over 70 celsius. EVGA replaced it. Pc isnt immune to issues.

 

You cant go 4-5 years on mid range upgrades and high end would be higher than the cost of a console. I upgraded to a 3500+ and 6800gt in 2004 for $600-700 and new games are unplayable on even low at this point. If I did a mid range upgrade back then it would have needed to be upgraded much sooner. I cant really complain because I got hours and hours of enjoyment with that setup.

 

Steam is usually the same price as retail, at least in the U.S.

 

I dont follow pricing in other coutries so I can only speak for the U.S. I've only said this about 5 times now.

 

$8 rental is for five days. With all the time I put into TF2 and BF2 and some other mp games, I dont have time to replay games like Assassins Creed, Bioshock, R6 vegas. I probably wouldnt replay even if i had the time. The number of games I spend 15 or less hours on, greatly outnumbers the games that offer good bang for the buck like GTA for example.

 

I saved $42 on each the following games: Bioshock, Assassins Creed, R6 Vegas 1 and 2, Graw 1 and 2. Graw pc is different but I couldnt even max the game with my 6800gt, the aliasing was horrific and while I like lean and shoot fps I prefer 3rd person with a cover system. Thats $252 saved. Maybe $232 if the Graws were $40 when released. Plus a playthrough of games like The Darkness and Condenmed at $8 apiece is awesome bang for the buck.

 

I continue to keep a current pc since the platform still gets great exclusives like Stalker, COH and Witcher plus games like Elder Scrolls and GTA are better on pc.

 

Godfather annoyed me even more than the console fanboys. Thats what got me started.

As a rule, PC's generally last longer than Consoles, not only in support either, in how long the damn thing runs for, my PS2 is dead after 6 years, and I have a 12 year old computer in my cupboard that still runs perfectly, and it can barely run XP (Took about 3 days to install last I tried...)

 

I have a x1600Pro, I brought it for AU$50 off eBay, that along with my $100 CPU and $100 motherboard, lets me play Crysis on Medium @ 1440x900 at around 50fps minimum.

 

Buster23: Stop double posting, I haven't been posting on this board for nearly 4 years (old account: Brutuz) to see you do that! (Lolfake'namvetstyletalking)

 

Buster23: PC gaming is cheaper when you account it over the long term, Console games do cost more, and not to mention, The TV costs more than a LCD monitor, and You need to buy controllers (PC's usually have a good keyboard + mouse that lasts longer than some of the parts, I have a 15 year old mouse that works still somewhere), LIVE sub's for the 360, etc, it adds up fast, and although if your just buying a console for a couple games, not playing online or with friends using Split Screen, then PC usually ends up cheaper, and don't try and pull the "6800GT can't run any games!" since my card is the same speed in everything without AA/AF (ATI cards suck at it for some reason) and it can run the most demanding game on medium, 'cept for AA/AF, if you want, I could try the same game with my 6800GS 512Mb, I'll just have to get a cooler for it.

[oc student]

The Pc is much more worth the cash you put up in fine tuning it to run faster and ultimately play games.

 

Don't quote me on this but the consoles seem like a huge black box with some kind of "2005 motherboard" and a bulls%&t graphics card plastered inside.

 

I live in Australia where the major retailers sell computers wayyy more expensively than if you bought in a small computer shop.

 

Hell, i bought a computer with a 512MB graphics card with Intel Core2 Duo and 4 GBs of ram for only $780 australian

 

Rock* should release this onto the PC because the PC shelf is getting pathetic loaded with sh%*

[Fnorg]

 

360 has better graphics and their games holds more value when you sell them i saw need for speed carbon for $80 bucks and it's been out for a long time therefor i declare 360 games to hold more value i saw Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter 2 PC for $60 so it's pretty clear who wins

The 360 doesn't have better graphics. Don't make statements you can't back up. The PS3 is better than the Xbox, and still, it doesn't beat a computer. A fairly new one, at least.

 

hey look if you people don't have a 360 save up and buy one instead of a pc

What if I don't want a stupid Xbox? What if I don't like the stupid gamepad? What if I don't wanna waste 300 dollars for one game? I can very well afford an Xbox, I can afford several. But, I'm one cheap bastard, and I don't like consoles. Period.

[mkey82]

360 has better graphics and their games holds more value when you sell them i saw need for speed carbon for $80 bucks and it's been out for a long time therefor i declare 360 games to hold more value i saw Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter 2 PC for $60 so it's pretty clear who wins

The 360 doesn't have better graphics. Don't make statements you can't back up. The PS3 is better than the Xbox, and still, it doesn't beat a computer. A fairly new one, at least.

 

hey look if you people don't have a 360 save up and buy one instead of a pc

What if I don't want a stupid Xbox? What if I don't like the stupid gamepad? What if I don't wanna waste 300 dollars for one game? I can very well afford an Xbox, I can afford several. But, I'm one cheap bastard, and I don't like consoles. Period.

It's OK, hes been busted. Deude0 goodbye and don't come back!

[CharmingCharlie]

 

Also, I was wondering if the piracy issue has been brought up? Is it likely that they are going to wait at least until after the holidays to release a PC version because PC games are the most likely to be pirated, right?

 

I know you can pirate an xbox 360 game, but I don't know how easy it is, and I know that nobody has successfully (yet) pirated a Playstation 3 game and succeeded in playing it.

 

So, is this a possibility?

Piracy has been brought up several times and yes it is a concern on the PC, however I think in this instance it is more of a concern on the 360 along with "rentals" which in my mind is just a legitimised version of piracy. On the PS3 piracy isn't a problem at the moment because it still hasn't been hacked, but it still has the problems of "rental" which again is money out of developers pockets. Now I don't do piracy personally, but I am aware of the issues, it is my understanding that Single Player games are relatively easy to pirate with just the use of a crack. However for the most part MP is never truly "cracked" and the only way to play pirated MP games is to go on cracked servers, which are few and far between and not all that great from what I hear. So that could actually be the saving grace for the PC version as far as piracy is concerned.

 

I generally don't give a stuff about MP normally but even I will admit I am intrigued by GTA MP and I would definately give it a go, to do that I would need a "purchased" copy (I intend to buy it anyway for the SP campaign). It will be the same with alot of people, MP will be just too intriguing not to try it and the easiest way to do that will be with a bought copy of the game. Sure you will still get the morons that just pirate the game and play the SP mode, but they would never have bought it anyway. However there are idiots like me to balance those out, I will be buying TWO copies of GTA 4 for the PC, I will get the special edition version (assuming there is one). Then I will get the Steam version which I can directly download to my PC and not have to worry about any bloody "midnight openings" or "late postal delivery". It sounds all very archaic to me the way console users talk about "picking up" their game. Has anyone thought about telling them this is the 21st Century

[libertycity's finest]

to be completely honest

 

rockstar will make so much money off the console release that they dont need to release it for PC

 

also i dont think PC could handle it

[GycuBrun]

 

to be completely honest

 

rockstar will make so much money off the console release that they dont need to release it for PC

 

also i dont think PC could handle it

 

I hope your post is a bad joke.

 

First even tough R* sales 50 million copies of GTA 4 ( on the consoles ) they are still greedy enough to release the PC version because they always want more money ... MO' MONEY!

 

PC can't handle GTA? You been living under a rock all your life or something ? Even my PC rips of any next-gen console, not to mention that the XBOX360 uses 2005 technology and the PS3 uses 2006 technology ... I plan on buying 3 GB of RAM this summer, whilst the PS3 has 512 MB

[CharmingCharlie]

 

to be completely honest

 

rockstar will make so much money off the console release that they dont need to release it for PC

 

also i dont think PC could handle it

So would you care to explain why they brought out a PC version of GTA SA then ? If we go by your logic there was no need for them to do it. If memory served GTA SA on the PS2 alone had shifted well over 15 million copies by the time the PC and Xbox version came out. So surely according to your logic they shouldn't have bothered !!!!! I mean if you flog 15 million copies why bring it to any other platform ? Oh yeah that's right to MAXMISE the profit from your products.

 

Now let's look at GTA 4 the most optimistic predictions say it will sell 6 million on the 360 and about 3 million on the PS3. That is less than HALF the units SA sold on all three formats (somewhere near 21 million). So Rockstar are seeing a massive drop in revenue compared to GTA SA and they will be lucky if they sell enough units to break even, never mind make a profit. Remember the $400 million sales figure that is being banded around does not ALL go to Rockstar, they will be luck to get a quarter of that after everyone has had their cut. The only way to make up the numbers and try to eek out some profit is to release it on a third format. There is no question that GTA 4 could easily get 2-3 million sales on the PC. Especially when you consider games like Crysis, Witcher, Stalker are well into reaching 2 million sales each.

 

As for PC's not running the game, again could you tell me why Mass Effect is coming to the PC with UPGRADED graphics, how about you tell me why Gears of War came to the PC with UPGRADED graphics, Not to mention Assassins Creed is running lovely at 1680 x 1050 on my PC much more smoothly than your 720p res. I know better still tell me why your beloved console runs COD4 at 1024 x 600 @ 60fps yet my PC can run COD 4 at 1680 x 1050 @ 80fps. I have no doubt your answer will be "yeah well well well you need a $10,000 PC to get da graphics like dat dan't ya". It is at this point I would show you that my PC did not cost $10,000 it cost me $160 more than a PS3. You will then counter argue by going "blah blah PC's dying blah blah consoles rulez", I would then naturally report you as a troll and have you banned from this topic. So let's just save everyone the bother and just keep out of here will you.

[N.I.D.A.L]

to be completely honest

 

rockstar will make so much money off the console release that they dont need to release it for PC

 

also i dont think PC could handle it

 

I hope your post is a bad joke.

 

First even tough R* sales 50 million copies of GTA 4 ( on the consoles ) they are still greedy enough to release the PC version because they always want more money ... MO' MONEY!

 

PC can't handle GTA? You been living under a rock all your life or something ? Even my PC rips of any next-gen console, not to mention that the XBOX360 uses 2005 technology and the PS3 uses 2006 technology ... I plan on buying 3 GB of RAM this summer, whilst the PS3 has 512 MB

oOoOoOoO really that the (ps3)just have 512mb of RAM ?????? now i can see why the ps3 suck ,ps3=piece of garbage !!!

PC= mountain of GOLD ^_^

[simkas]

to be completely honest

 

rockstar will make so much money off the console release that they dont need to release it for PC

 

also i dont think PC could handle it

What the hell is wrong with people these days? Current day PC's are more powerfull than the consoles and will ever be. Each time a new console will come out, about a month later, new computer parts will be released that will beat that console.

[nlitement]

 

to be completely honest

 

rockstar will make so much money off the console release that they dont need to release it for PC

 

also i dont think PC could handle it

 

I hope your post is a bad joke.

 

First even tough R* sales 50 million copies of GTA 4 ( on the consoles ) they are still greedy enough to release the PC version because they always want more money ... MO' MONEY!

 

PC can't handle GTA? You been living under a rock all your life or something ? Even my PC rips of any next-gen console, not to mention that the XBOX360 uses 2005 technology and the PS3 uses 2006 technology ... I plan on buying 3 GB of RAM this summer, whilst the PS3 has 512 MB

oOoOoOoO really that the (ps3)just have 512mb of RAM ?????? now i can see why the ps3 suck ,ps3=piece of garbage !!!

PC= mountain of GOLD ^_^

Mmm.. mountain of gold! :9

 

Are you Jewish?

[jelly]

 

I generally don't give a stuff about MP normally but even I will admit I am intrigued by GTA MP and I would definately give it a go, to do that I would need a "purchased" copy (I intend to buy it anyway for the SP campaign).  It will be the same with alot of people, MP will be just too intriguing not to try it and the easiest way to do that will be with a bought copy of the game.  Sure you will still get the morons that just pirate the game and play the SP mode, but they would never have bought it anyway.  However there are idiots like me to balance those out, I will be buying TWO copies of GTA 4 for the PC, I will get the special edition version (assuming there is one).  Then I will get the Steam version which I can directly download to my PC and not have to worry about any bloody "midnight openings" or "late postal delivery".  It sounds all very archaic to me the way console users talk about "picking up" their game.  Has anyone thought about telling them this is the 21st Century   

This is true, Steam and online versions are harder to pirate. The Steam games will need to be cracked and brought out of Steam for pirates to use, which may or may not require the removal of functions seen in the retail version of the game. Multiplayer games with proper security are very hard to pirate in any effective form because multiplayer relies on communities. For example, it is possible to downloaded pirated versions of WoW, but these pirate copies do not run on official servers. The pirated copies will require their very own community in order to function at all, something which is hard to accomplish.

 

 

to be completely honest

 

rockstar will make so much money off the console release that they dont need to release it for PC

 

also i dont think PC could handle it

 

I hope your post is a bad joke.

 

First even tough R* sales 50 million copies of GTA 4 ( on the consoles ) they are still greedy enough to release the PC version because they always want more money ... MO' MONEY!

 

PC can't handle GTA? You been living under a rock all your life or something ? Even my PC rips of any next-gen console, not to mention that the XBOX360 uses 2005 technology and the PS3 uses 2006 technology ... I plan on buying 3 GB of RAM this summer, whilst the PS3 has 512 MB

oOoOoOoO really that the (ps3)just have 512mb of RAM ?????? now i can see why the ps3 suck ,ps3=piece of garbage !!!

PC= mountain of GOLD ^_^

This is only half of the story. The PS3 has 512MB RAM in total. It has 256MB of Rambus RAM for the Cell, and 256MB of GDDR3 RAM for the Nvidia 7800GTX (or as they like to call it, the 'RSX'). The 360 has a similar setup with 512MB GDDR3 RAM in total shared by the Xenos (IBM PowerPC tri-core) and Xenon (ATI GPU) processors, in addition to a small cachelike 10MB eDRAM chip for the Xenos.

 

In comparison, any mainstream PC sold today usually has 1GB of RAM on the motherboard for the CPU (often 2 or 4GB) used by the CPU while the graphics card has its own supply of GDDR chips used exclusively by the GPU on the card, with cheap cards having 256MB, high-end cards having 768MB and ATI's new card launching this summer speculated to have 1GB of GDDR5 dedicated graphics memory.

 

Anyone who thinks these platforms are comparable are quite literally blind. I didn't even get into the CPUs of these consoles, which are limited by the prices Sony and MS need to sell the consoles.

 

nlitement, that's not funny.

[mkey82]

 

This is only half of the story. The PS3 has 512MB RAM in total. It has 256MB of Rambus RAM for the Cell, and 256MB of GDDR3 RAM for the Nvidia 7800GTX (or as they like to call it, the 'RSX'). The 360 has a similar setup with 512MB GDDR3 RAM in total shared by the Xenos (IBM PowerPC tri-core) and Xenon (ATI GPU) processors, in addition to a small cachelike 10MB eDRAM chip for the Xenos.

 

In comparison, any mainstream PC sold today usually has 1GB of RAM on the motherboard for the CPU (often 2 or 4GB) used by the CPU while the graphics card has its own supply of GDDR chips used exclusively by the GPU on the card, with cheap cards having 256MB, high-end cards having 768MB and ATI's new card launching this summer speculated to have 1GB of GDDR5 dedicated graphics memory.

 

Anyone who thinks these platforms are comparable are quite literally blind. I didn't even get into the CPUs of these consoles, which are limited by the prices Sony and MS need to sell the consoles.

Maybe you should put this in statement that everyone has to confirm that he read it and understands before being allowed to register on gtaforums.com. Also, paste it all over the place. On the first page (in header AND footer) and make an annoying pop-up window for new users to flash them every couple of hours. Maybe then we will be able to put certain people under control. MAYBE.

[Democrab]

Wow, 512Mb of ram suffices for it, yet Sins Of a Solar Empire fills my 2Gb of ram up.

[N.I.D.A.L]

wow if the ps3 & xbox360 have 512mb of ram and Nvidia 7800GTX (is it GeForce?),how they can handel GTA IV ???? and that mean GTA IV dont have a very good graphics like (mafia 2) & (2 days 2 vegas) and both of thos games will be on PC (and iam not Jewish iam Arabian)

Edited April 22, 2008 by N.I.D.A.L

[MISTO]

Now that I have Assassin's creed, I'm less crazy with pc delay of GTA4 (but that still pisses me off)

Edited April 23, 2008 by MISTO

[CharmingCharlie]

 

wow if the ps3 & xbox360 have 512mb of ram and Nvidia 7800GTX (is it GeForce?),how they can handel GTA IV ???? and that mean GTA IV dont have a very good graphics like (mafia 2) & (2 days 2 vegas) and both of thos games will be on PC (and iam not Jewish iam Arabian)   

Well I am no expert but I would imagine the screenshots for 2 days 2 vegas and Mafio 2 are actually from the PC version. The only way GTA 4 is running on the consoles is because it is in a hideously low resoluton of 1280 x 720 @ 30fps (barely) and uses a ugly ass blur filter to compensate for the inadequacies of the consoles. But hey who cares they are cheap aren't they, that's what matters...... oh no wait they aren't even cheap. Oh well as they say "there is one born every minute".

[¤FireStyle¤]

They probably will eventually, but i dont think it should. Imo the only games that should be for the PC are MMO's and RTS's, everything else plays better on a console (for me) only computer game i ever liked was Diablo 2, the rest i dont both with unless there's a console port, I find playing with a mouse and keyboard to be very stupid. I just cant game with a mouse and keyboard worth crap.

 

...wow....

 

there are so many things wrong with what you just said...like....wow..

 

How are there so many things wrong with what they just said? It was their opinion. (Key words: "for me" "imo" "i find") So, in your eyes, they are not allowed to have an opinion?

 

How very immature.

Dude....when I stated..."there are so many things wrong with what you just said"...this was my opinion !!!

 

...so in your eyes am I not allowed to have an opinion ???

 

...you know I actually find it strange that you would pick out my post and call it immature while someone who makes a post (in a thread about the PC version of GTA IV no less) where he suggests that no gta IV should ever be made for the PC simply because he isn't a fan of PC games.....strange...

 

 

Well I am no expert but I would imagine the screenshots for 2 days 2 vegas and Mafio 2 are actually from the PC version. The only way GTA 4 is running on the consoles is because it is in a hideously low resoluton of 1280 x 720 @ 30fps (barely) and uses a ugly ass blur filter to compensate for the inadequacies of the consoles. But hey who cares they are cheap aren't they, that's what matters...... oh no wait they aren't even cheap. Oh well as they say "there is one born every minute".

 

 

...you know CC that blur feature is a good point...I hope they will give us the option to disable it in the gfx settings.

[Jops]

a Filter can be pretty. Maybe vanilla GTA4 on PC will look too nasty to justify turning the filters off

[jelly]

Wow, 512Mb of ram suffices for it, yet Sins Of a Solar Empire fills my 2Gb of ram up.

Hence no Sins of a Solar Empire or any games of a similar scale on the consoles.

 

In their defense they don't have a massive OS such as Windows to deal with, or any background programs like antivirus, etc.. The RAM amount and physical limitations of the processors are still quite bad. It's a testament to this to see that any recent PC can run any game ported from the consoles better than the consoles themselves even while running all these background processes.

[sinnerboy]

Other than the PSP pish, all the GTA games have been on PC...

[D.C. Comfort]

 

also i dont think PC could handle it

Where do people take that sh*t from? You read that so often. Even some Lucasarts guy said that PCs couldn't handle "The Force Unleashed"... I call BS on that. I don't see how anyone could even think that the average gaming PC can't handle a game developed for the XBOX.

 

Oh, well.

 

An interesting read here: Microsoft: Perception not us is pc gamings big problem.

[GTA_Godfather]

I don't think it's any of those things Microsoft mentioned (difficult installs/patches, Vista, marketing, retail presentation, DX10, cost, etc.). Sounds like b.s. to me. They are making excuses for the not addressing the REAL issue (but they would never admit the real issue). It's about PCs being forced to backseat by developers, Sony, Microsoft, and others. There is no voice for PC gaming, PCGA included. Microsoft seems almost to actively work against PC gaming. So much for the PC Gaming Alliance.

 

PCs should be showcased in all their glory. They are on the cutting edge and it's good for the gaming market as a whole to see them thrive as tech from PCs eventually makes it to consoles. The first step (and most crucial) would be to level the playing field. Seeing developers being paid off to not release games or delay releasing games like GTA IV on PC is HUGE. Of course, those without the willpower will concede and buy a console. Some games are outright stolen from PCs. Over time, this has long-term ramifications. Another compounding factor is that most console ports to PC are sloppy and unoptimized. Design games are around the PC, THEN port it to consoles. GTA IV would play much better if it were.

 

Imagine for a moment that the tables were turned. Imagine if the PC was getting GTA IV first and that DLC would ONLY coming to the PC. Many players would start taking a hard look the PC as a platform and actually learn how great it can be. Over time the base would grow and gamers would buy other games for PC and leave the consoles on the shelves.

 

It's clear that many console gamers are misguided and uniformed. You only have to read a few posts on this thread.

 

I don't see changes in the works to get to the heart of the matter. MS has too much vested interest in consoles (more profitable for them). They want to pretend it's something else, but we know. All the other supposed issues would work themselves out, because there would be more money behind PC gaming. Gamers would demand it and the market would have to oblige.

 

Televisions are for watching television and movies, not for playing games and not for surfing the web. PCs are ideally suited suited for computing, gaming, and million other things. It's the best tool for the job.

 

 

 

[richh999]

I thought I might just bring this up.

 

This is from the main page of this site about the varity of interviews.

 

 

The main reason that we haven't seen multiplayer Grand Theft Auto in the past is technical limitations; the hardware just couldn't handle the strain that a full GTA multiplayer experience would dish out.

 

I'm sorry but has he heard of MPSA, I'm pretty sure that it has been running on computers for years now. If they developed it for the PC we might of had multiplayer with Vice City. So these supposed "next gen" consoles are just about doing what a few generations ago PC could do. He's admitting that the consoles are pretty S**t.

Also one of the sites review GTAIV and gave it 9/10 grapics. WTF!

 

WARNING SPOILER: The graphics suck.

 

On the microsoft interview he does mention that the PC takes the back seat but doesn't elaborate on it though.

 

P.S. I've been with this topic since P.30 and all we (PC gamers) seem to do is go around in circles arguing with different fanboys.

 

[Jyrgen]

Im quite sure that gta 4 finds it way to pc ( i hope it finds it fast)

and to all console guys: i have like amd3500+ which is 4 years which is older than you consoles old and it runs all games like crysis, assassins creed and i dont think that gta 4 is going to have better graphics than crysis

by the way i olny have improved my memory because i olny had 512mb now i have 1,5gb(try upgrade your console)

i also can see many games find their way to pc now like mass effect.

About pirates-Gta4 will have online feature so many will buy it for sure. because online is in

 

Uh i also had a new graphics card 8500gt

 

i going to have a new computer soon

 

 

 

[Zcheese]

i'm going to set up a mass secuide at R* NYC when IV doesn't come on the PC

[Dhatz]

Since i've got a hi-end PC i can't find any game good enough!

not even Crysis is nuff.

Cnsole ports suck heavily,Juiced 2 is the crappiest racing geme i've ever seen!

It's graphics sux,it's hardware xpensive(how the hell these two combine?),and it's a pain in the ass to play it,as it doesn't even support a racing wheel,so you're stuck on a kb!

AND that bullshut doesn't have free camera rotation!(which even the first installment had,cuz it was developed 4 PCs)

Buttons like A,B,X and Y make consoles' crapiness even moar obvious.

 

PLS DON'T IMITATE JUICED 2 H.I.N. IN ANY ASPECT ! EVER!

[SIXAXIS]

You guys make very good and valid points, but as I learned from experience, a lot of my friends are literally too dumb to set up a nice gaming PC. Plus they just aren't interested in spending time fixing their PC to run games. They also don't know how to control game settings properly and are not willing to learn. So, the mass amount of people don't want to have to spend time trying to try to play the game. They want plug-and-play functionality; quick, easy, and fun.

 

BTW, I'm not trying to bash PC gamins (as I PC as well), but I realised this today.

[Jops]

Since i've got a hi-end PC i can't find any game good enough!

not even Crysis is nuff.

Cnsole ports suck heavily,Juiced 2 is the crappiest racing geme i've ever seen!

It's graphics sux,it's hardware xpensive(how the hell these two combine?),and it's a pain in the ass to play it,as it doesn't even support a racing wheel,so you're stuck on a kb!

AND that bullshut doesn't have free camera rotation!(which even the first installment had,cuz it was developed 4 PCs)

Buttons like A,B,X and Y make consoles' crapiness even moar obvious.

 

PLS DON'T IMITATE JUICED 2 H.I.N. IN ANY ASPECT ! EVER!

I know how you feel. I've had my new setup for five days and nothing is holding my attention. Games that I spent time tweaking with loving care on my pentium D/6800gt to get that perfect balance of performance and visuals now run completely maxed out on my new setup without the slightest bit of effort. Frankly, its unsettling.

 

Oblivion, hitman blood money, halflife2, CS source, Day of Defeat source, X3. Nothing I can play for more than 15 minutes. I know I'm an adult and I probably shouldn't be spending that much time on video games anyway, but Im in a rut in my life where video games could fill a nice chunk of time I'm not using on a day to day basis. Nothing seems to be cutting it.

 

Actually I've taken to Mafia1 recently using the optimized maxiumum draw distance mod. Its doing the trick okay.

 

 

I suppose I'll have to wait until after Mothers day for the fishing opener since GTA4 aint'gonna be around