GTA IV for PC

[mkey82]

I am sorry to say but some users (you know who you are... Buster23 and Dude0) lately make this thread a major pain. The truth be said, things got a little bit dead the last week and it seems we need some brainless people to stir things up.

 

I am not saying you (Buster23 and Dude0) should not post here. Post, but use your brains while you do that. Please.

 

Dude0, it's hard to get what is it you want to say and frankly I don't care. Your posts are practically random and brainless. I would like to express my condolences to your parents and wish you all the best. Even though, as a local proverb says, the luck stays with the stupid people (or stupid people are lucky; 'm not sure how to translate that).

 

Buster23, you post show that you are not brain dead like that poor sap Dude0, but from time to time your brain pull some ugly tricks on you, doesn't it?

 

As you said, console gaming is cheaper. Yes, it is. For those who don't use their brains. If it was cheaper then PC gaming, I would buy some console which can rung GTAIV and enjoy it when it gets released. As people have pointed it out, the only moment when you actually can "save" some money while purchasing a console is on and near it's release date. MS and Sony need to make the price competitive while sustaining substantial losses so it seems that console gaming is cheaper then PC gaming.

 

But then, you get that average Joe which is not stupid, knows some stuff about PCs and hardware in general and he tries to see what's in the package. On the very first day they're out, consoles use at least one year old hardware equivalent. Equivalent because the ware in consoles is not standard, hence it's production and development costs A LOT. Also, the hardware you get is NOT reliable. Especially the x360. These points can not be argued because they are facts.

 

Now, year and a half after the launch of PS3 and more the two years after the launch of x360, if you take 600$ you can go and buy a new PC which will outperform the both consoles (regarding gaming, I will not even mention all the other PC features; people speak of x360 live service like "we can download multimedia" (no sh*t). Outperform consoles and are RELIABLE. It will not break down three times in two years.

 

Buster23, you like to speak of upgrading. You can upgrade your PC every 4 or 5 years, just as you "upgrade" consoles. Not that many PC gamers buy the new wares all the time. My PC is old 6 years (I payed for it 1100$ WITH monitor and have upgraded the memory, CPU and GPU for 200$. Had I purchased the PS2 and PS3 during that period I would have spent something like 1100$ (in my country) and it's highly probable that the PS2 wouldn't last for more then a year since ALL people I know that owned a PS2 had it working correctly for a max of 18 months. A friend of mine during those 6 years bought 3 (TREE) consoles because the first two broke down (the third one got "upgraded" to PS3 so it didn't get it's chance to get busted). So, my friend spent something like 1200$ on his PS2 consoles and additional 800$ for the PS3. Without a TV and such.

 

Note that this discussion speaks of buying new PC, not upgrading. If I took my current PC and upgraded I would need to invest something like (mem+mbo+cpu+gpu) 600$ to get a machine that kicks this gen consoles but. Basically, if you have good base components, it's "cheap" to upgrade. Only GPU and CPU.

 

Ah, games. Let's talk about games and their prices. In my country the price difference is 40$. Console titles go for a typical 100$, while the most expensive PC game (currently Crysis) costs 70$. Normally, new games you can get for 60$. In more developed counties the price difference is 10$. If you purchase 10 games per year, you get something like a 500$ during the expiry period of a console (5 years). Well, 500$ will ofer you a nice upgrade for your PC during those 5 years. I beleive your argument fails.

 

You made a nice point for renting games for 8$. That's a nice deal, but most people purchase games becasue they want to own it for more then a couple of days. How many days does that 8$ provide for? Also, let me remind you that PC games can be LEGALLY downloaded for a price between 15 and 30$. It makes that 60$ per game figure even more ridiculous, doesn't it?

 

 

Don't forget that a PC port is likely to happen 6 months to 1 year from now.

It will most probably happen. And the game will sell at least 2 million copies.

Edited April 21, 2008 by mkey82

[gtavicer9]

PC vs Console arguments. Serious business.

[SynTerro]

First of all, we're like 184424 members on this board.

*) less then 40% of the people here on a console that makes ~ 4100 people own a console

*) less then 20% of the people here own 2 consoles or more

*) I'll assume that everyone owns a PC. <30% have a pc capable of playing FarCry at maximum details (the first FarCry)

assuming everyone will buy a copy for each machine (if it runs on their machine) that would make a sure buy around 9000-9500 copies.

Lets assume that some people with worse PC (like me) will also buy the game, tune it down at "worse than worse" level of detail and struggle with it at 25 fps. That makes 200-300 more copies.

 

Even if this situation exists in every forum, that means only a few hundred thousand games would be bought, and the PC sales will be less than 10% of that. (because it requires a high end PC, which most people can't afford).

 

Why on earth given an estimated PC sales figure of < 200.000 copies, would Rockstar want to port GTA IV to the PC?

 

I'm still keeping my hopes high but I'm warning you: DON'T BET ON A PC RELEASE! There's a HIGH chance it WON'T happen.

 

EDIT:

@Nemon : 5-6 year old hardware. True but think about the price of that hardware. Over 8 years from its release date, the PS2 is FINALLY "affordable". And I can still get a USED PIII 512RAM 128Video (yes, ancient) for less than the price of a USED PS2 (not to mention a new one).

So you estimate < 200,000 copies sold on PC

 

Let me quoe myself from a few pages back(page202)

 

 

The survey has about 1,5 million unique samples (about 10% off all steam users), if this survey is accurate to the steams 15 million userbase there are about 6 million multicore machines on steam, and I will guess that another 4 million has a capable singel core CPU to run GTA IV, so I guess about 10 million potential GTA customers on steam. That is Steam only and they do not represent all PC gamers so I guess we look at far bigger number on non steam side.

 

Lets say that GTA IV comes to PC in october, then steam might represent 20-25 million users, and the number of multicore CPU may have reached 60-70%(if they reset the survey), then we might look at 15 million potential customers on steam only.

 

Will R* ignore that?

 

 

That is 10 million potential customers with powerfull enough hardware on Steam only. Steam do not represent the whole PC gaming world and I know not all of them will buy GTA IV.

 

Steam only deliver PC games, and they do distribute Rockstar games.

 

I don't have the number of sales of the previous GTA titles but I think somebody here said SA sold atleast 2 million, not bad for a game with run down graphics and 6-7 months delay from the PS2 version.

 

GTAIV for PC I will estimate 1-2 million copies at minimum, with a simultanious release I would predict > 5 million copies, with a ekslusiv PC release(I'm dreaming now) I would predict > 10 million.

[simkas]

I've been thinking and probably the reason why the previous GTA games would come out on PC about 6 months after the PS2 release was because there was a contract between Sony and Rockstar to make those games PS2 exclusive. This time, it's also coming for the Microsoft Xbox 360, that means there is no contract to make IV exclusive to Sony. Microsoft also owns windows, that means that there is no reason for the PC version to have a 6 month delay, because there isn't a contract to make it exclusive to Sony.

Not sure it's all correct, but it's just my two cents.

[D.C. Comfort]

I've been thinking and probably the reason why the previous GTA games would come out on PC about 6 months after the PS2 release was because there was a contract between Sony and Rockstar to make those games PS2 exclusive. This time, it's also coming for the Microsoft Xbox 360, that means there is no contract to make IV exclusive to Sony. Microsoft also owns windows, that means that there is no reason for the PC version to have a 6 month delay, because there isn't a contract to make it exclusive to Sony.

Not sure it's all correct, but it's just my two cents.

We can't really know exactly what kind of deals those suits cooked up, but I thought that maybe Microsoft is holding back the PC version to boost 360 sales just like they did with Mass Effect etc.

[simkas]

 

I've been thinking and probably the reason why the previous GTA games would come out on PC about 6 months after the PS2 release was because there was a contract between Sony and Rockstar to make those games PS2 exclusive. This time, it's also coming for the Microsoft Xbox 360, that means there is no contract to make IV exclusive to Sony. Microsoft also owns windows, that means that there is no reason for the PC version to have a 6 month delay, because there isn't a contract to make it exclusive to Sony.

Not sure it's all correct, but it's just my two cents.

We can't really know exactly what kind of deals those suits cooked up, but I thought that maybe Microsoft is holding back the PC version to boost 360 sales just like they did with Mass Effect etc.

How long did it take for it to come out for PC after the 360 version? (I mean for Mass Effect)

[D.C. Comfort]

I've been thinking and probably the reason why the previous GTA games would come out on PC about 6 months after the PS2 release was because there was a contract between Sony and Rockstar to make those games PS2 exclusive. This time, it's also coming for the Microsoft Xbox 360, that means there is no contract to make IV exclusive to Sony. Microsoft also owns windows, that means that there is no reason for the PC version to have a 6 month delay, because there isn't a contract to make it exclusive to Sony.

Not sure it's all correct, but it's just my two cents.

We can't really know exactly what kind of deals those suits cooked up, but I thought that maybe Microsoft is holding back the PC version to boost 360 sales just like they did with Mass Effect etc.

How long did it take for it to come out for PC after the 360 version? (I mean for Mass Effect)

It's not even out yet. The release has been pushed back to late May, the 360 version came out last November.

[CharmingCharlie]

 

We can't really know exactly what kind of deals those suits cooked up, but I thought that maybe Microsoft is holding back the PC version to boost 360 sales just like they did with Mass Effect etc.

Exactly D.C. Comfort you hit the nail right on the head, BOTH console companies want to keep it off the PC for now and yes I do mean MS as well. I will not go into my "conspiracy" theory with MS, but right now all MS is concerned about is beating Sony and the PS3 if that means the PC takes a bit of a hit then no problemo to them. After all MS has a monopoly on the PC so it can afford to take the hit. I am afraid we are at the mercy of big business ruffling their feathers. It does not matter if it was proved tomorrow that sales of GTA 4 on the PC would match those of the consoles we still wouldn't get it any sooner because both MS and Sony would ENSURE it gets released on their machines first.

 

Both Sony and MS know that GTA 4 is a system seller, it gets those damn toys off the shelves and into people's homes, now if you give people the option of getting GTA 4 on the PC at the same time, then I get the feeling there would be a fair few toys staying on the shelves.

[jelly]

Hello,

 

The intention of this thread is the discussion of an eventual PC version. Seeing as this prospect rests on pure speculation at the moment with no announcements or info leaks, it inevitably veers off a little into similar open-world games that are actually announced for the PC (Mafia 2, APB, et cetera), some R* bashing and the occasional clueless user coming in here trying to troll the regulars and bait them into huge flame wars.

 

Unfortunately, they usually succeed. Please, in the future, when genuinely clueless people or others who come in here and post false claims simply to bait you into flaming and getting aggravated, just report them for trolling and move on. Perhaps a level-headed, calm post to put them on the right track. If they persist in their ridiculous claims and try to skew the thread more, don't continue replying, just wait for us to view the reports.

 

There are only a few of you in here who actually report these guys rather than replying to them in the same fashion they post here. Just elevate yourselves above them and ignore them, they're just craving attention. This topic is for the discussion of an eventual IV PC version and the occasional off-topic skew, not flame wars between console and PC users.

[j_f_mac]

It is posts from people like you that actually put me off from coming into this thread anymore. I am just so damn sick of having to defend the PC from damn console kiddies.

True. I'm surprised you haven't fallen into despair yet

I gave up posting a lot time ago, it simply has no sense proving PC is better and all this sh*t over and over again to all those..."console kiddies", yeah.

 

Nothing is for sure until it's official. I'll keep an eye on the official GTAIV site long after the game is released, but I'll never look again in this thread to see if the PC version has been confirmed.

 

And happy arguing to y'all, keep it going, I don't care.

[Powerpuff]

One reason why i think GTA IV will be for PC is the step Rockstar took back in January: Rockstar Games brings full line-up to Steam

 

For me it seems like a sign that they are testing Steam and they are planning to release IV there (among with other options). I just can't see any other reason for this.

Edited April 21, 2008 by Powerpuff

[james_root]

One reason why i think GTA IV will be for PC is the step Rockstar took back in January: Rockstar Games brings full line-up to Steam

 

For me it seems like a sign that they are testing Steam and they are planning to release IV there (among with other options).

One reason why i think GTA IV won't be for PC is that sadly r* didn't released even one game for pc since san andreas.

 

ok lcs and vcs were psp ports ext. but why not bully didn't come to pc? it's on ps2,xbox,wii,xbox360 why not pc? why not midnight club 2-3 isn't coming? i am a pc gamer but i'll buy an xbox for IV because i really started to think that it won't come out on pc.

[D.C. Comfort]

 

We can't really know exactly what kind of deals those suits cooked up, but I thought that maybe Microsoft is holding back the PC version to boost 360 sales just like they did with Mass Effect etc.

Exactly D.C. Comfort you hit the nail right on the head, BOTH console companies want to keep it off the PC for now and yes I do mean MS as well. I will not go into my "conspiracy" theory with MS, but right now all MS is concerned about is beating Sony and the PS3 if that means the PC takes a bit of a hit then no problemo to them. After all MS has a monopoly on the PC so it can afford to take the hit. I am afraid we are at the mercy of big business ruffling their feathers. It does not matter if it was proved tomorrow that sales of GTA 4 on the PC would match those of the consoles we still wouldn't get it any sooner because both MS and Sony would ENSURE it gets released on their machines first.

 

Both Sony and MS know that GTA 4 is a system seller, it gets those damn toys off the shelves and into people's homes, now if you give people the option of getting GTA 4 on the PC at the same time, then I get the feeling there would be a fair few toys staying on the shelves.

But then again, Microsoft is part of the so called PC Gaming Alliance.

 

They state their mission as follows:

 

 

PC Gaming Alliance (PCGA) is a non-profit organization whose mission is to drive worldwide growth of PC gaming. Its membership includes leading computer hardware and software companies from around the world.

 

To provide an open forum where members cooperate in developing and promoting solutions that drive the PC gaming industry forward. PCGA encourages the exchange of information and views to promote PC gaming and shares promotional activity designed to grow PC gaming among members of the group, related industries and consumers.

 

I don't really see how that fits together with having a lot of money on stake with another platform. Has MS chewed more than it can swallow here?

[aidan87]

One reason why i think GTA IV will be for PC is the step Rockstar took back in January: Rockstar Games brings full line-up to Steam

 

For me it seems like a sign that they are testing Steam and they are planning to release IV there (among with other options).

One reason why i think GTA IV won't be for PC is that sadly r* didn't released even one game for pc since san andreas.

 

ok lcs and vcs were psp ports ext. but why not bully didn't come to pc? it's on ps2,xbox,wii,xbox360 why not pc? why not midnight club 2-3 isn't coming? i am a pc gamer but i'll buy an xbox for IV because i really started to think that it won't come out on pc.

We both share the same brain right?

[Powerpuff]

 

One reason why i think GTA IV will be for PC is the step Rockstar took back in January: Rockstar Games brings full line-up to Steam

 

For me it seems like a sign that they are testing Steam and they are planning to release IV there (among with other options).

One reason why i think GTA IV won't be for PC is that sadly r* didn't released even one game for pc since san andreas.

 

ok lcs and vcs were psp ports ext. but why not bully didn't come to pc? it's on ps2,xbox,wii,xbox360 why not pc? why not midnight club 2-3 isn't coming? i am a pc gamer but i'll buy an xbox for IV because i really started to think that it won't come out on pc.

But why they went with all their stuff into Steam? Why should they waste time with Steam if they are going to sell only old games there?

To test Steam for GTA IV release i think.

R* is to lazy to spend time on things that are not bringing them money.

 

 

One more thing: in Take2 financial report, there were also some points that made me beginning to think more and more that it's coming out for PC. And i never will spend $800 on PS3 or $600 on x360 (as they cost that much in Estonia).

 

 

By the way, Midnight Club 2 is for PC (check Steam).

Edited April 21, 2008 by Powerpuff

[CharmingCharlie]

 

But then again, Microsoft is part of the so called PC Gaming Alliance.

 

They state their mission as follows:

 

 

PC Gaming Alliance (PCGA) is a non-profit organization whose mission is to drive worldwide growth of PC gaming. Its membership includes leading computer hardware and software companies from around the world.

 

To provide an open forum where members cooperate in developing and promoting solutions that drive the PC gaming industry forward. PCGA encourages the exchange of information and views to promote PC gaming and shares promotional activity designed to grow PC gaming among members of the group, related industries and consumers.

 

I don't really see how that fits together with having a lot of money on stake with another platform. Has MS chewed more than it can swallow here?

Please that PC Gaming Alliance was a joke right from the start, like you said one of the members MS is directly undermining the PC platform, another Member Epic does nothing but bitch and moan about the PC platform. Do you really want to know what the PCGA is all about ???? It is simple lets look at this page :-

 

http://www.pcgamingalliance.org/en/join/index.asp

 

Roughly stated :-

 

Member Title Membership fee

 

Adopter $15,000

Contributor $25,000

Promotor $50,000

 

I think we can see what the PCGA is actually really all about and it has NOTHING to do with "saving" or "helpiing" the PC format. These guys can't agree on anything you have Intel and Nvidia bitching at each other, AMD and ATI going "not fair blah blah". Infact what ever happened to the PCGA ? I haven't heard anything from them in months !!!!

 

Now as for "beloved" MS, they have done the maths and they can see that their OS is not dependant on PC gamers. The main purchasers of Windows operating system are businesses and they really don't bother with games . The same for home users, nearly every PC that gets shipped has a windows os on it. So really gaming on the PC has very little impact to the state of windows.

 

In my mind MS has one singular aim they want you playing games on their console and doing all your other stuff on a PC running their operating sytem, that way they get to charge you twice. So I really don't think MS would shed a tear if PC gaming died tomorrow, don't be fooled by them being a member of PCGA or their Games for windows. It does show though that they have just as much to gain as Sony do by keeping GTA 4 off the PC for as long as humanly possible.

 

 

One more thing: in Take2 financial report, there were also some points that made me beginning to think more and more that it's coming out for PC. And i never will spend $800 on PS3 or $600 on x360 (as they cost that much in Estonia).

 

 

By the way, Midnight Club 2 is for PC (check Steam).

Great post Powerpuff, I was just wondering if you have the time could you post some of your insights into T2's financial reports and some of the pointers regarding a PC version. I haven't really examined the financial reports stuff because I have the attention span of a gnat. If you could give us some insights it might give us something to talk about other than the same topics that keep getting covered over and over again.

[pimpinpenguin?]

Like CharmingCharlie said, the PC Gaming Alliance is a joke and is worthless. For starters the big players Valve and Blizzard who are the only ones trying to save the PC platform are not part of it. Microsoft admitted they neglated gaming on XP, so their solution force people to get Vista for DX10, then make games exclusive to Vista for no reason. Microsoft pay developers to delay games coming out on the PC, Mass Effect, Gears Of War, Halo, Fable. The PC Gaming Alliance is just an excuses so Microsoft can push their Windows Live service which is a poor copy of Xbox Live and you have to pay for it, yet Microsoft feel it will save PC gaming. So i hope Microsoft stay well away otherwise they are going to mess around with it and force GTA 4 to use their poor service, which is a shame when we already have Steam.

 

The Rockstar collection on Steam, i hope it's because they are testing the PC market seeing is they should release GTA 4. But It could just be Rockstar milking all the money they can get by releasing the old games on Steam, and we all know how much Rockstar love money. Ijust pray that Lazlow was right about the PC version.

[johnny404]

One reason why i think GTA IV will be for PC is the step Rockstar took back in January: Rockstar Games brings full line-up to Steam

 

For me it seems like a sign that they are testing Steam and they are planning to release IV there (among with other options). I just can't see any other reason for this.

Holy sh*t, good point maybe us PC users could be able to play Online with Steam.

[GTA_Godfather]

R*'s objective is the same as MS and Sony in the sense that they are simply looking to maximize their profits. If it were up to Sony and MS, GTA IV would never come to the PC. However, R* has every incentive to bring it to the PC. It's just more money in their pockets (since the finished product is sitting on the table and very little resources would be required to put it in our hands).

 

The only reason they sold exclusive DLC to MS and sold the right to simultaneously release on both platforms (console and PC) was that they felt it maximized their profits that way. MS and Sony must not have paid R* enough to keep it off of the PC forever. That's what it boils down to. Look at R*'s actions in the past and try to look through their eyes.

 

As far as the quality of the port goes, it's obviously limited by the consoles. However, R* could have made it better if they wanted to. They didn't need to limit frame rates like they did with SA or make the draw distance so short. I just don't know if R* felt it was wasn't worth it financially (profit-wise) to invest in it a little more or if they were paid off by MS and Sony (to not make the console versions look bad) or if there is another reason that hasn't occurred to me.

 

mkey82, you make a good point. Consoles have to be rethought from the ground up with every generation and are bound to have reliability issues. PCs evolve. Console makers are perpetually reinventing the wheel to play catch up. The thought of dropping $950 plus for a pair consoles with out-dated hardware to play expensive games in a agonizingly limited and handicapped way makes me cringe.

 

 

 

[007 RoadRunner]

I see you're using Mafia II's concept art as avatar, nice

 

Rockstar is a business and as a business they try to screw every little penny out of something. You can always be certain that they do what brings them the most profit. That's why they put their games onto Steam and without denying the PC we can be pretty sure they are going to release it on PC. And if you look at it, almost every X360 exclusive game went to the PC at a later stage and seeing how they paid R* almost the entire GTA IV production bill(50 million$) we can be positive about a future PC release, although we probably won't know it for sure untill at least one month later.

 

Luckily at the end of the week I'm going on a 2 week holiday to my parents' place in France with no internet, but I do have an old PC from 2004 which can play almost every game that came out until one year ago so no spoilers/fanboys on the forums, just nice games and a lot of other things to do there. Lucky me

[DEMONROCKS]

 

WHEN GTA 4 IS GONA COME . MAN I WILL BE REAL HAPPY IAM WATCHIN FOR IT . HOPE THEY WON'T MAKE THE HEARTS OF THE 80% VOTERS SAD INCLUDIN ME BY NOT RELEASING GTA 4 SOON.

[s-paco]

 

One reason why i think GTA IV will be for PC is the step Rockstar took back in January: Rockstar Games brings full line-up to Steam

 

For me it seems like a sign that they are testing Steam and they are planning to release IV there (among with other options). I just can't see any other reason for this.

Holy sh*t, good point maybe us PC users could be able to play Online with Steam.

I hope so, STEAM to me is the best thing that has happened to the PC in a long time. To be honest when i was younger i didn't nuy allot of games, but since STEAM is here i buy more than i can afford. There's just something about it, i mean, all your games are at one spot. No more changing DVD's, no more typing your CD-keys... It's all that simple but it also works. And about GFW, that sh*t sucks ass. Why did they even invent that, pay to play online. Are you f*cking kidding me? Do we look like morons MS? And also, what with the console-like dvd box? That sh*t is ugly, i would rather want the old big boxes back or just let them be how there also were. Just a cover with PC-DVD sitting at the top.

Edited April 21, 2008 by s-paco

[Fisker]

One reason why i think GTA IV will be for PC is the step Rockstar took back in January: Rockstar Games brings full line-up to Steam

 

For me it seems like a sign that they are testing Steam and they are planning to release IV there (among with other options).

One reason why i think GTA IV won't be for PC is that sadly r* didn't released even one game for pc since san andreas.

 

ok lcs and vcs were psp ports ext. but why not bully didn't come to pc? it's on ps2,xbox,wii,xbox360 why not pc? why not midnight club 2-3 isn't coming? i am a pc gamer but i'll buy an xbox for IV because i really started to think that it won't come out on pc.

That wouldn't be Rockstar's step to take, but Take2's, also they released it earlier for D2D.

 

But i definitely believe we'll see a PC version, and this time it'll probably also launch on Steam when it first launches for the PC.

[007 RoadRunner]

I hope so, STEAM to me is the best thing that has happened to the PC in a long time. To be honest when i was younger i didn't nuy allot of games, but since STEAM is here i buy more than i can afford. There's just something about it, i mean, all your games are at one spot. No more changing DVD's, no more typing your CD-keys... It's all that simple but it also works. And about GFW, that sh*t sucks ass. Why did they even invent that, pay to play online. Are you f*cking kidding me? Do we look like morons MS? And also, what with the console-like dvd box? That sh*t is ugly, i would rather want the old big boxes back or just let them be how there also were. Just a cover with PC-DVD sitting at the top.

I love the no DVD/Key just click and play system. Not an entire cabinet full of useless boxes, DVD's that get lost, brake down. All those things that can and probably will happen with a console.

And Games for Windows is just another example of the screwing you out of every penny business by M$. I just don't get why you should pay M$ so you can use the internet connection for which you pay for online gaming. So in essence you pay twice for the same connection. M$ is just trying to use their X360 concept on the PC but I doubt people will fall for it. The X360 is actually a toy, a toy that's been bought mostly by children who don't have much experience and simply fall for most marketing tricks pulled by companies (consolekiddiez if you like) but with the PC it's a different story. Many PC gamers know a bit of their hardware, prices and are more experienced. They don't just fall for some marketing trick which is the reason they still game on a PC Those people won't be satisfied by this trick pulled by M$ and will ignore it. Well at lestI hope so or otherwise we might be doing the same as X360 users and pay to use the internet connection for which you already paid in a couple of years.

The world is lead by lies and corruption, you just need to know when it strikes you and react to it.

[s-paco]

I hope so, STEAM to me is the best thing that has happened to the PC in a long time. To be honest when i was younger i didn't nuy allot of games, but since STEAM is here i buy more than i can afford. There's just something about it, i mean, all your games are at one spot. No more changing DVD's, no more typing your CD-keys... It's all that simple but it also works. And about GFW, that sh*t sucks ass. Why did they even invent that, pay to play online. Are you f*cking kidding me? Do we look like morons MS? And also, what with the console-like dvd box? That sh*t is ugly, i would rather want the old big boxes back or just let them be how there also were. Just a cover with PC-DVD sitting at the top.

I love the no DVD/Key just click and play system. Not an entire cabinet full of useless boxes, DVD's that get lost, brake down. All those things that can and probably will happen with a console.

And Games for Windows is just another example of the screwing you out of every penny business by M$. I just don't get why you should pay M$ so you can use the internet connection for which you pay for online gaming. So in essence you pay twice for the same connection. M$ is just trying to use their X360 concept on the PC but I doubt people will fall for it. The X360 is actually a toy, a toy that's been bought mostly by children who don't have much experience and simply fall for most marketing tricks pulled by companies (consolekiddiez if you like) but with the PC it's a different story. Many PC gamers know a bit of their hardware, prices and are more experienced. They don't just fall for some marketing trick which is the reason they still game on a PC Those people won't be satisfied by this trick pulled by M$ and will ignore it. Well at lestI hope so or otherwise we might be doing the same as X360 users and pay to use the internet connection for which you already paid in a couple of years.

The world is lead by lies and corruption, you just need to know when it strikes you and react to it.

That's true dude, well said. Last day at work i was talking to a friend of mine. We were talking about GTASA, i said that i had every GTA on the PC. And he said: "Why do yyou have it on the PC? The PC is so hard, when you want to shoot you have to look at your keyboard to see what button you have to press".

This really shows how much those console users know about the PC . He even tried to convince me that you can aim better with the gamepad... Ahem, right. I quickly said that i had to go to the back, because i was really getting tired of hearing that the whole time.

[007 RoadRunner]

That's true dude, well said. Last day at work i was talking to a friend of mine. We were talking about GTASA, i said that i had every GTA on the PC. And he said: "Why do yyou have it on the PC? The PC is so hard, when you want to shoot you have to look at your keyboard to see what button you have to press".

This really shows how much those console users know about the PC . He even tried to convince me that you can aim better with the gamepad... Ahem, right. I quickly said that i had to go to the back, because i was really getting tired of hearing that the whole time.

I just had to take a minute to get over the sock you created by the keyboard thing. I guess they can't type either because it's the samething, you automaticly push a button because you know the location. And aiming with a gamepad better

I don't really care whether or not somebody likes to aim with a gamepad, that's their right. I just don't get why they actually believe it's best and try to convince people who know it doesn't. Seeing the keyboard statement I can safely assume they never plaid on a PC so they shouldn't even be making such comments. But it's actually very simple to explain why they do that, someone has something, he wants to ell everyone how fantastic it is, if someone else comes along with something better they automaticly go bashing that very ting because they need to justify their purchase. They want to make sure that they made the right call by getting that console. It's again the inexperience of those people and they have fallen for a marketing trick. They don't want to admit they made a mistake or worse got conned by some marketeers.

[Jops]

Aiming with a gamepad is arduous in e very way. Reaction time is limited substantially, I could only imagine how one sided internet matches would be between consoles and pcs, not to start a pissing match over controllers now, but its just how it is.

 

If future consoles are keyboard+mouse friendly, not to mention upgradeable, it will certainly change things quite a bit.

[D.C. Comfort]

Aiming with a gamepad is arduous in e very way. Reaction time is limited substantially, I could only imagine how one sided internet matches would be between consoles and pcs, not to start a pissing match over controllers now, but its just how it is.

 

If future consoles are keyboard+mouse friendly, not to mention upgradeable, it will certainly change things quite a bit.

Gaming at a table using mouse and keyboard hooked up to a machine sounds like PC to me.

[Jops]

Aiming with a gamepad is arduous in e very way. Reaction time is limited substantially, I could only imagine how one sided internet matches would be between consoles and pcs, not to start a pissing match over controllers now, but its just how it is.

 

If future consoles are keyboard+mouse friendly, not to mention upgradeable, it will certainly change things quite a bit.

Gaming at a table using mouse and keyboard hooked up to a machine sounds like PC to me.

Heh I guess but a unit such as that could have its purposes

[GTA_Godfather]

 

Aiming with a gamepad is arduous in e very way. Reaction time is limited substantially, I could only imagine how one sided internet matches would be between consoles and pcs, not to start a pissing match over controllers now, but its just how it is.

 

If future consoles are keyboard+mouse friendly, not to mention upgradeable, it will certainly change things quite a bit.

Gaming at a table using mouse and keyboard hooked up to a machine sounds like PC to me.

That would really defeat the purpose for the console (casual) gamer, would it not? Isn't whole point about gaming on the console so you can lay down on your couch and watch it on your big screen TV? This is what they cleave to.

 

It would like me hooking my PC up to a big screen TV and plugging in a dopey aftermarket gamepad to play GTA, just so that I can lay on the couch. But why would I do that? I would be using a horrible controller and would be losing the high resolution of my display (1920x1200).

 

The funny thing is that you can't even use a mouse with the 360.