Confirmed Villians for Spiderman 4?

[speekers]

I read in many places on the internet that the confirmed villians for Spiderman 4 will be Dr. Conners as "The Lizard" and Cletus Kasady as "Carnage". I also read that Sandman will be back as an allie!

 

I belive these facts are true, except for the Sandman thing. (It could happen)

 

[Kippers]

I some how doubt that that kind of news would have been released or even thought about by the team this close to Spiderman 3 being released.

 

Also, Venom would be in there if what i hear about Spiderman 3 is true

[Raindancer]

Can you provide some linkage? I was going to move this thread to movies chat, but me thinks this is fake info.

 

Prove me wrong baby!

[Waddy]

Can you provide some linkage? I was going to move this thread to movies chat, but me thinks this is fake info.

 

Prove me wrong baby!

Of course its false info, even if its not, can you please just make him stop posting topics?

Make him read only or something.

 

I havent seen Spiderman 3 yet!!

[Moonshield]

Everybody already knew Lizard was going to be in it.

[speekers]

Can you provide some linkage? I was going to move this thread to movies chat, but me thinks this is fake info.

 

Prove me wrong baby!

http://www.cinematical.com/2007/05/05/spid...rd-source-says/

 

There you go!

[Vanilla Shake]

Until I actually here about it from Sony or Sam Raimi or any of the cast members, etc., I won't believe it. Last time I read something like that it said that Mysterio would be the main villain of Spider-Man 2.

 

So, we've still got about 2-3 years until Spider-Man 4...

[Goodfella.]

Even if they know what villains they're gonna use for Spidey 4, the film is years away, so there's no chance in hell anyone else is gonna find out yet. Plus that source is so unreliable it's funny, passing off sh*tty fan speculation as fact.

 

I'm all for the Lizard though...

[Lost-Fender]

C'mon man, Spider-Man 3 has just been released. I think it's too early to worry about Spider-Man 4. Still, I don't believe the story. It could just be rumours/speculation.

 

Spoiler alert.

 

And I can tell it's not true, there can't be no Carnage because the Venom symbiote is destroyed at the end of Spider-Man 3, together with Eddie. Carnage is born when Cletus gets in contact with the symbiote while Eddie and him are stuck in prison, in the comics. But in the movie universe, Eddie and the symbiote have been destroyed, so it is not possible for Carnage to appear.

Edited May 25, 2007 by Lost-Fender

[speekers]

C'mon man, Spider-Man 3 has just been released. I think it's too early to worry about Spider-Man 4. Still, I don't believe the story. It could just be rumours/speculation.

 

Spoiler alert.

 

And I can tell it's not true, there can't be no Carnage because the Venom symbiote is destroyed at the end of Spider-Man 3, together with Eddie. Carnage is born when Cletus gets in contact with the symbiote while Eddie and him are stuck in prison, in the comics. But in the movie universe, Eddie and the symbiote have been destroyed, so it is not possible for Carnage to appear.

Who said it's dead?

[saintdave]

Just wanted to point out Lost-Fender that the film creators often adapt storylines to fit their filming needs. Don’t forget Dr. Connors had that sample of the suit Peter gave to him when he first had the suit.

 

As for Spiderman 4 and the villains this is all speculation right now. Adding to that I heard Raimi wont be involved in the next one, which would please me as he never seemed that keen on the Venom storyline in the first place and yet claimed to be a fan of the comics. How can anyone not like the Venom storyline?

[Kaj.]

Assuming the rumors are true about the villians, I still won't be looking forward to the movie. I was looking forward to Spidey 3, and that movie was an awful disappointment.

[speekers]

I still won't be looking forward to the movie. I was looking forward to Spidey 3, and that movie was an awful disappointment.

Tragicaly true....

[Lost-Fender]

 

Just wanted to point out Lost-Fender that the film creators often adapt storylines to fit their filming needs. Don’t forget Dr. Connors had that sample of the suit Peter gave to him when he first had the suit.

True, saintdave. Thank you for pointing that out, I forgot about Dr Connors's symbiote sample. But then, the story would have to be heavily changed in order for Carnage to be born.

 

...but it's still speculation anyway, so we can't be sure for now.

[tuareg]

Spoiler alert.

 

And I can tell it's not true, there can't be no Carnage because the Venom symbiote is destroyed at the end of Spider-Man 3, together with Eddie. Carnage is born when Cletus gets in contact with the symbiote while Eddie and him are stuck in prison, in the comics. But in the movie universe, Eddie and the symbiote have been destroyed, so it is not possible for Carnage to appear.

Thats not exactly true.

 

Carnage was the result of Venoms symbiote spawning another symbiote. Wich bonded with Cletus blah blah.

 

In the ultimate universe, Carnages symbiote spawned when a part of the venom suit, Peters and Dr. Connors's DNA where mixed together. Point is, a new symbiote can be created, because there is still a fragment of the venom suit existing. If i recall correctly, Connors still has one, wich he took from Peter. Besides, according to what i have heard, the film is based on the ultimate universe partly.

[papanesta]

Possible interesting storyline;

 

Not sure if Connors is already missing his arm in the films so far. But, if not, Cletus could attack the Doc, severing his arm during. And also come into contact with the symbiote. Connors goes about trying to re-grow his arm using lizard DNA. Both mutate, then fight later... blah blah blah.

[Digïtál £vîl]

Possible interesting storyline;

 

Not sure if Connors is already missing his arm in the films so far. But, if not, Cletus could attack the Doc, severing his arm during. And also come into contact with the symbiote. Connors goes about trying to re-grow his arm using lizard DNA. Both mutate, then fight later... blah blah blah.

You obviously haven't seen the movies, or must not have paid attention.

 

In Spiderman 2 when they first introduce him, it clearly shows him only having one arm. His coat jacket looks folded up and pinned so as to make it clear to that effect.

[papanesta]

I must not have seen the movies because I can't remember if his arm is already missing...?

 

f*ck off.

[Venom]

Carnage, might be a bit too mental.

You'd need to do the whole Venom saga thing.. and it wouldn't work too well.

 

Doc Connors, on the other hand, I think would work a treat.

[OH NO]

I must not have seen the movies because I can't remember if his arm is already missing...?

 

f*ck off.

well lets be fair here, it is connors so u do sort of take the arm thing into account when lookin at him.

 

 

 

i would love to see a proper version of the hobgoblin in this, although i cant see it happening. I reckon the lizard is a done deal tho and im willing to bet money on it.

[MMFF]

I do like the idea of a 3 way fight between Carnage, Lizard and Spidey. Spider-Man would have to stop they two from destroying the city as they fight each other. Obviously, this is a long way away, but I like the idea. Although, depending on who the cast is, I may not even watch Spider-Man 4.

[TOGA62]

The final nail in the coffin. A direct quote by an Entertainment Weekly interview with Kirsten Dunst about spiderman 3 and then the possibilty of spiderman 4...

 

 

If [sam] Raimi (the director of spiderman 3) does leave spidey behind, what a twist it would be for the studio's cash-cow character. He vanquishes villan after villan, but winds up hobbled by... Bilbo Baggins. (this is in regards to the internet rumor that Raimi might work with Peter Jackson on a prequel to LOTR, the hobbit) Maguire has vacillated in interviews about wheather he'd be willing to do another movie sans Raimi, or even with him. Meantime, Dunst says that if either Raimi or Maguire departs, she's out-and she thinks rebooting with another director and actor would be a mistake.

"It's disrespectful to the whole team, I think, to do that," she says. "And audiences aren't stupid. It'd be a big flop without me, Tobey, or Sam. That would be really not the smartest move. But they know that already. [sony co-chair] Amy Pascal would never do that."

 

Then Kurst on the Hobbit Rumor;

 

 

"I had no idea," she says. "God-why can't Sam just do something small? I told him, "Go on a freaking vacation. Go rent a house where nobody will bother you and cell phones don't work. Go with your kids and your wife and just chill out."

 

 

There you have it. If one of the actors is saying the movie isn't likely to happen, AND that she and most likely Tobey are NOT going to be playing their star roles of the film. So even if it was to be made, a suddenly new spiderman and Mary Jane. essentially it's turning out to be your run of the mill-straight to DVD, piece of sh*t with no name actors, Sequel. Doesn't sound so great to me anymore.

 

I would call this one, Busted.

 

Edited May 29, 2007 by TOGA62

[Goodfella.]

That's not a nail in the coffin at all, they were all signed for three movies, so it's not like it comes as a suprise.

 

With how much money the Spidey movies have generated so far, don't be so quick to presume sony will piss that all down the drain by throwing anything out there. The script for Spidey 4 has been being worked on since the release of Spidey 3. They'll be taking plenty of time selecting the cast, and I think tons of good actors would jump at the chance to star in a new Spider-Man trilogy. Straight to dvd type sh*t would just loose them billions.

[Lost-Fender]

If one of the actors is saying the movie isn't likely to happen, AND that she and most likely Tobey are NOT going to be playing their star roles of the film. So even if it was to be made, a suddenly new spiderman and Mary Jane. essentially it's turning out to be your run of the mill-straight to DVD, piece of sh*t with no name actors, Sequel.

...and that's likely what will happen.

 

 

If Raimi, Maguire and Dunst decided against it [returning for a sequel], "then I'll be making Spider-Man movies" with other actors and filmmakers, [Amy] Pascal [sony co-chairwoman] said. "We will continue to make them at the studio.

 

Source.

[TOGA62]

Are you guys kidding me? I for one won't watch another Spiderman. The third sucked, was rushed through production and filming, and was way different then the 1st or 2nd. The acting was bad, and the only thing that helped save the film in a very minute way was the graphically pleasing visuals. But I for one need a little more then explosions and flashy graphics to make me think a film is "good". My point from the above post was to express that hopefully they would NOT make a new Spiderman, because even if they did it is going to suck even more than the third did.

 

You simply don't make a new film about the same thing with new actors. It is a tasteless thing to do. Wait 10+ years and maybe a remake like how Superman Returns, or Batman Begins did would be acceptable, but to continue pumping out sh*tty and sh*ttier films simply to feed off the "buzz" in the hopes of making more money is not a good reason to continue. Pascal is simply a money hungry bitch with the rights to something she has already begun to flush down the toilet. Regardless of if they make one or not, and regardless of what characters are in it, it WILL suck.

[Goodfella.]

Superman Returns was an astonishingly boring film, so that's a sh*tty example.

 

Maybe they'll learn from the mistakes of Spidey 3. The producer recently was quoted saying he wants Lizard for the villain, and with all the Goblin stuff out of the way that opens up alot more breathing space for storyline.

 

The first two were great, there's no reason they can't recapture the magic. You can speculate all you want, we all can, but you know f*ck all.

[Andyzoot]

Personally I would be happy if they did not make a Spider-man 4. Don't get me wrong, I thought 1-3 were all brilliant and was a good strong trilogy and if it ain't broke, don't fix it. I would hate it if Spider-man 4 turned out to be a stain on the Spider-man franchise. They made it to three without cocking it up and most series can't even do that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Although if there was to be four I would hope that the main players from the cast and crew return (Raimi, Maguire, Dunst, Simmons.....Campbell) and I hope that the writers can decided on a big story arc to run through a trilogy of films such as the Green Goblin saga of the first trilogy. Looking at the Wikipedia article on Spider-man's history, the Civil War storyline looks quite interesting although there wouldbe problems getting other Marvel heroes in the films. But the idea that some members have been throwing around about Carnage is also interesting with Cassidy coming into contact with the symbiote sample. Hell maybe it could come into contact with the Scorpion (the enemy I would like to most see in a Spider-man film) which has recently been shown in the comic books.

[Remember This.]

They made it to three without cocking it up and most series can't even do that.

According to popular opinion they didn't.

 

Anyway I reckon they need to keep the same cast for it to work really. If it suddenly changed it would be like watching Harry Potter without Daniel Radcliffe.

I reckon Dr Connors is a dead cert for Spidey 4, If indeed they do make a fourth, and I reckon any enemy from the Venom storyline would work a treat.

 

Who's up for a Spidey vs. Superman vs. Batman vs. Xmen vs. Fantastic 4 super showdown?

[Vanilla Shake]

Anyway I reckon they need to keep the same cast for it to work really. If it suddenly changed it would be like watching Harry Potter without Daniel Radcliffe.

I agree. It would be like watching Batman Forever or Batman & Robin again, and, oh God, I do not want to relive those abominations.

If Spider-Man 4 doesn't include the original cast, I will not be seeing it.