The Official Forum Stoners 4.20

[dawg1990]

If I was there I'd be the soldier filling my bag with bud and using my damn instruction manual as rolling paper.

im afraid u cant do that, i tried rolling with those stuff, instruction manuals dont light up , jks

[*MURDOC*]

Yo, I leave for a lil bit and you guys go all insane.

 

I love this topic.

 

 

 

*bubble~bubble~bubble*

[Mike Tequeli]

You can ask me and a dozen other stoners here in the OFS.

 

Californian growers treat bud like we treat wine. We are enthusiastic about growing and the techniques around it. We are also blessed with a great geographical position that lets us grow amazing pot outdoors. High Times had an article and an actual issue dedicated to California pot.

 

As DE stated a couple pages back, California supplies something like 30 something percent of the Pot smoke in the U.S.

British Columbia, the very large Canadian province to the north of Washington state is known for legendary weed.

 

BC is like California in many ways and the marijuana culture is one similarity, also BC supplies much of the United States and 40% of Canada with weed. But keep in mind the exported version of BC Bud is poorer in quality then the stuff that stays in province. Apparently reaches 27.5% THC levels.

[N0FX182]

Is it true marijuana is legal in California if you have less than 16 lbs.?

[just another thug]

Is it true marijuana is legal in California if you have less than 16 lbs.?

It might be decriminalized, but it is not legal in any state (I believe).

[dawg1990]

i believe if you get caught while driving with more than an ounce in your trunk in any state your gone for 3 -10 years

[N0FX182]

i believe if you get caught while driving with more than an ounce in your trunk in any state your gone for 3 -10 years

Dang. It shouldn't be that big of a deal.

[dawg1990]

i believe if you get caught while driving with more than an ounce in your trunk in any state your gone for 3 -10 years

Dang. It shouldn't be that big of a deal.

because then they think your dealing or some sh*t, digital dont even correct me or say this isnt true, i know 100% this is true

[Jonesizzle]

i believe if you get caught while driving with more than an ounce in your trunk in any state your gone for 3 -10 years

Dang. It shouldn't be that big of a deal.

Well, sadly, it is a illegal drug for some odd reason.

[beavis]

In California, it all depends on what kind of cop pulls you over, but in general, if you have anything more than an ounce, you'll get booked and possibly put in jail.

 

Now, if you're a medical patient under Prop 215, I believe that you can have up to 8 or 16 ounces of cured, dry bud on you. If the local cops, stop you for any reason, you show them your recommendation giving to you by a doctor, and you're free to go...as long as you don't have any warrants or sh*t like that.

 

But I've friend that had run ins with the law where they were completely cooperative and told the cops they had weed. They checked their background and let them go. They even gave back the pipes they had.

[Jonesizzle]

But I've friend that had run ins with the law where they were completely cooperative and told the cops they had weed. They checked their background and let them go. They even gave back the pipes they had.

Ha, one of my friends had a run in with the laws here. She had no license at all, so the cop asked "Do you have anything illegal in the car before I search it?", she straight up told him that she had a half in the car. She said he smiled, searched the car and took the half and told her to leave. f*cking crazy sh*t.

[beavis]

But I've friend that had run ins with the law where they were completely cooperative and told the cops they had weed. They checked their background and let them go. They even gave back the pipes they had.

Ha, one of my friends had a run in with the laws here. She had no license at all, so the cop asked "Do you have anything illegal in the car before I search it?", she straight up told him that she had a half in the car. She said he smiled, searched the car and took the half and told her to leave. f*cking crazy sh*t.

Yeah, most cops just want you to tell them the truth. It's not until you start lying to them when they'll get pissed off at you and throw every rule in the book at you.

[Digïtál £vîl]

i believe if you get caught while driving with more than an ounce in your trunk in any state your gone for 3 -10 years

Dang. It shouldn't be that big of a deal.

because then they think your dealing or some sh*t, digital dont even correct me or say this isnt true, i know 100% this is true

It isn't "100% true".

 

Read Beavis' post a few above. It all depends on the state, the laws passed in it, and the user himself. As it stands, it is unlikely for anyone suspected of dealing to only get 3 years. If they are seriously suspected of dealing they are slapped with additional charges other then just procession and usually get 5 to 15 years with 10 years being the likely norm.

 

And Dawg, don't ever tell me not to correct you on stuff. Especially when it comes to weed or law (my career choice in life).

 

Don't f*cking tell me to do anything.

[Jonesizzle]

But I've friend that had run ins with the law where they were completely cooperative and told the cops they had weed. They checked their background and let them go. They even gave back the pipes they had.

Ha, one of my friends had a run in with the laws here. She had no license at all, so the cop asked "Do you have anything illegal in the car before I search it?", she straight up told him that she had a half in the car. She said he smiled, searched the car and took the half and told her to leave. f*cking crazy sh*t.

Yeah, most cops just want you to tell them the truth. It's not until you start lying to them when they'll get pissed off at you and throw every rule in the book at you.

Or some just want some free weed.

[dawg1990]

It all depends on your luck and what kind of cop pulls you over, for example, as you know i live in detroit, michigan, usa which is across the border from windsor, on, canada

 

The cigarettes here are MUCH cheaper, so alot of people buy like 50 cartoons and go across the border and sell them, im one of those people, but if you get caught with the sh*t which is rare, your f*cked because they consider that smuggling (you can go to jail for that).

 

Anyways so im on the border one day, and the officer asks me if i have anything in my trunk, i said no, he asked me: do you have alcohol or cigarettes on you? i said no (but actually i had 23 cartoons in my bag, he asked me: do you mind if i check your bag, when he asked me that question , it's like he struck me with a lightning, anyways i get caught with the sh*t then i told the officer, please take all the cartoons and let me go, i promise nothing like that would happen again, so he let me go. It all depends on your luck and the officers your with.

[Statutory Ray]

Gangsta smuggling cigarettes to Canada but is scared of a little weed?

[Digïtál £vîl]

It is important to remember that not all cops (most cops) aren't there to help you. Even if they say being truthful and cooperative with them will help you out in the end, if you have reason to hide anything, you should tell them off and get a lawyer. If an officer asks to search your vehicle (or asks if you mind if they search your vehicle - a trick on words they use) say no unless you have absolutely nothing to hide. If they have to ask, they have no probable cause and are just being sneaky. At that point, you can tell them you'd prefer they didn't do anything until you had spoken with your lawyer and they had obtained a search warrant. Unless you are really suspicious looking or acting really nervous, they won't go through the trouble of trying to obtain a search warrant for a simple traffic stop and will likely issue you a ticket.

 

If they start searching your car without your permission, you can ask them why they are doing it and request for them to stop. If they state they have probable cause to search your vehicle, you can try to ask for the reason, but they will likely give you a bullsh*t response in which case you simply try to remember as many details about the encounter as possible and then proceed to speak with an attorney about getting the search thrown out for being unlawful and lacking proper cause. It is always a good thing when a supposed stoner can remember better details of an event then the arresting officer.

 

Take this advice whatever way you choose.

 

Anyone able to dig up that really good youtube video about what to do in different situations when you are approached by police? They had a situation in a car, at a house party, and on the street and such. Lots of useful information in that video that I didn't include above

 

I just can't believe how many people get caught by their own undoing. If a police asks to search your vehicle and you know you have something in the car. Just say no. The likelihood that you will get away with just a warning is minimal.

 

@Dawg: Laws on smuggling and illegal importing and exporting of goods is completely different then normal times when you are pulled over while just driving around. At the border and checkpoints around it, you are pretty much expected to allow a police officer to search your vehicle as that is a large part of what his job entails. It is part of the reason inter-country travel is so successful and open (compared to how it could be).

[N0FX182]

I really want to see that video.

[beavis]

Wouldn't smuggling cigarettes be just as bad as smuggling weed. I know ATF hella cracks down on those who don't pay taxes on Alcohol and Cigarettes.

[Jonesizzle]

Digital, how much is your service for being my lawyer?

[Digïtál £vîl]

Digital, how much is your service for being my lawyer?

lol. You never know. I'm not yet a "real" lawyer as I have to go through and finish law school and pass the California Bar to even "practice" in California alone. But as it stands, criminal law is not my focus, rather business law is, so any work I did for law cases involving marijuana would most likely be pro bono and just for my own personal cause and beliefs.

[kevin2006rhs]

Lets say you do become a business lawyer. To the general public, wouldn't your image as a business lawyer be tarnished if you worked pro bono as a pro-pot lawyer on your own accord?

 

Would that be a risk you are willing to take? I know to some it seems silly, but jeopordising your credit in business law wouldnt be smart. It could be like a race car driver chopping off his right foot.

Edited May 11, 2008 by kevin2006rhs

[Wilddtd]

 

Digital, how much is your service for being my lawyer?

lol. You never know. I'm not yet a "real" lawyer as I have to go through and finish law school and pass the California Bar to even "practice" in California alone. But as it stands, criminal law is not my focus, rather business law is, so any work I did for law cases involving marijuana would most likely be pro bono and just for my own personal cause and beliefs.

Cheers man, I just graduated and plan to attend Law School after my service in the Navy. It's nice to know that you, as well as I, are in agreement, and both enjoy a good toke. On that subject, everyone should just wait, with all the propaganda being reversed by serious academic research, eventually Marijuana will probably be legal. In fact, by the time our generation takes over, I'm sure this will be the case, and if not, I know that our generation has a much different view of the subject. With that being said, recently in Ohio, laws over searching a vehicle took a positive turn last year. A young man was pulled over, the cops claimed they could smell marijuana, and after a search, which they said was justified, they found a substantial amount of marijuana in his trunk, as well as paraphernalia. He was able to get out of the charge, because what was found actually did belong to his roommates, who had borrowed his car. After that, the Supreme court of Ohio ruled that the smell of marijuana does not give police the probable cause they would need in order to search the vehicle, in my opinion a definite win. Obviously I do not condone driving with under the influence of Marijuana, as like alcohol it does "technically" impair your senses.

 

And for those in California, the state passed the bill on medical marijuana, but it is still a Federal crime, which means that even the state legal shops, can be shut down by the federal police force (ATF and others). We all should keep fighting the good fight.

 

Actually Kevin, Pro-Bono cases do not reflect badly on you, as most criminal lawyers, at least in my state, have a mandatory amount of cases that they must handle through the state, as state appointed defense attorneys. Plus there are many reasons for taking on a case, which would not necessarily be discovered while working in another part of law, such as Business, as that career mostly entails contracts and negotiations, rarely do these type of lawyers go to court, and even if sued, usually are there to ensure the case settles out of court, with the least amount of publicity as well as financial hit to the company.

Edited May 11, 2008 by Wilddtd

[Jonesizzle]

Lets say you do become a business lawyer. To the general public, wouldn't your image as a business lawyer be tarnished if you worked pro bono as a pro-pot lawyer on your own accord?

 

Would that be a risk you are willing to take? I know to some it seems silly, but jeopordising your credit in business law wouldnt be smart. It could be like a race car driver chopping off his right foot.

Hey, but you never know, the driver could drive better with his left foot.

[Digïtál £vîl]

Kevin: Not necessarily. Corporate lawyers are allowed to take up pro bono work on occasion if their firm allows it. Often, if you are in a case with a long shot of winning and you do win, it will help with credibility. Wilddtd hit it on the head though.

 

Just because you represent someone on a specific subject does not mean you partake in the subject as well. Since criminal law is really separate from corporate/business law, I really can't see how that would affect my credibility.

 

There are a lot of lawyers who are pro marijuana, while not all make a stand for it, it shouldn't hold one back. On top of that, I live in California and plan to work in California, which has very relaxed marijuana rules.

 

The only time I could see myself having issues is if another case comes up like one that did a while back about a California man losing his job after failing a drug test even though he reported and was told his medical use for marijuana would not cause any problems. If my firm was representing the business in that case, then it wouldn't be good for me to offer pro bono legal services (in a business law sense) to the plaintiff (the guy fired). But as long as my firm allows it and I don't lose a bunch of cases, it wouldn't affect my credibility as much as you might assume.

 

As it stands, I am going into Entertainment Law. A sub focus of business law. And we all know how many people in the entertainment business smoke.

 

@Wilddtd: Good to see another lawhead amongst all these smokers. Yeah, Federal law still causes issues with California shops, we have DEA raids every once in a while. But that is why we keep up the fight.

Edited May 11, 2008 by Digïtál £vîl

[kevin2006rhs]

Lets say you do become a business lawyer.  To the general public, wouldn't your image as a business lawyer be tarnished if you worked pro bono as a pro-pot lawyer on your own accord?

 

Would that be a risk you are willing to take? I know to some it seems silly, but jeopordising your credit in business law wouldnt be smart. It could be like a race car driver chopping off his right foot.

Hey, but you never know, the driver could drive better with his left foot.

DOOM!: Yeah, you may be a good driver with just your left foot, but when you need a right foot for the gas/break and the left foot for the clutch, both feet are just as important as the other.

 

Wilddtd: Even if you do go by your point of criminal lawyers being state appointed as a justifiable point, you still have the fact that he will be a business lawyer going out of his area to take on the issue of illegal drugs. Seeing as he is not a going to be a criminal lawyer, he wont have the state pushing him to take on a share of the criminal cases. Usually when a business lawyer gets his case, he is usually with that company for a very long time to create a personal connection. When a lawyer for a company starts going off and fighting for a cause that the board of the company he works for doesn't like, he can be dropped as the carrying attorney for that company. So you have to be careful of what you do when you work for certain companies.

[Wilddtd]

 

Lets say you do become a business lawyer.  To the general public, wouldn't your image as a business lawyer be tarnished if you worked pro bono as a pro-pot lawyer on your own accord?

 

Would that be a risk you are willing to take? I know to some it seems silly, but jeopordising your credit in business law wouldnt be smart. It could be like a race car driver chopping off his right foot.

Hey, but you never know, the driver could drive better with his left foot.

DOOM!: Yeah, you may be a good driver with just your left foot, but when you need a right foot for the gas/break and the left foot for the clutch, both feet are just as important as the other.

 

Wilddtd: Even if you do go by your point of criminal lawyers being state appointed as a justifiable point, you still have the fact that he will be a business lawyer going out of his area to take on the issue of illegal drugs. Seeing as he is not a going to be a criminal lawyer, he wont have the state pushing him to take on a share of the criminal cases. Usually when a business lawyer gets his case, he is usually with that company for a very long time to create a personal connection. When a lawyer for a company starts going off and fighting for a cause that the board of the company he works for doesn't like, he can be dropped as the carrying attorney for that company. So you have to be careful of what you do when you work for certain companies.

Well, I can not comment on what a business may or may not find acceptable, as in every case it would be judged on by that corporation. But usually, Business lawyers work for a firm that covers a large area of different aspects of law, not just Business, so what you choose for your pro-bono cases to be for that firm, are totally dependent on you. This does not mean that the business in which you represent has to accept that, in fact if they found out they could ask for a different lawyer from that specific firm, or change firms. Usually though, you can use your own discretion while choosing pro-bono cases, and most firms do encourage their employees to extend themselves to pro-bono cases.

 

I guess in my mind it comes down to this, why does it matter who I choose to represent, in the end you are paying my firm for my time, which is given in full to that corporations case. What I choose to do outside of my duties for your corporation are in fact my business only, and in no way reflect the abilities of that person as a lawyer, or their ability to serve that corporation. Now, if you are saying that the lawyer is a drug user, that is another issue, resolved with the policies of the firm and whether or not they drug test or have strict policy against it. Again though, most of the time, Business lawyers stick to what they know best, and do not accept many criminal cases.

[asimov]

 

The first one is kief rolled into black hash, delicious.

[beavis]

Dude, I've seen a video on youtube on how to do that method but I can't find it anymore. If you have any luck post it here. That sh*t looks might delicious!!!

 

I'm talking about the hash asimov.

[Wilddtd]

In the second picture is that guy taking a piss? Haha, get away from my plant sir.