pimp_60cent Posted May 1, 2007 Share Posted May 1, 2007 Then why the hell Vic is dealing drugs whats the proof of it in VC. he doesnt want to be a drug dealer and in VC He looks taller Well yeah that's the problem. In VCS he never wanted to touch or do anything with drugs, but he did it anyway. IMO Vic was to easily convinced under pressure. ie. Martinez: Vic, go pick up this big shipment for me at the airport. Vic: No, I told you I dont want anything to do with drugs, they just bring problems. Martinez: But with the money you're going to make, you can buy that sick brother of yours a whole lot of candy! Vic: Ughhhh..... fine let's do it. See what I mean, this happened numerous times in VCS, so who says that he stopped cracking under pressure at the time VC was beggining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
makeshyft Posted May 1, 2007 Share Posted May 1, 2007 Plus - as stated before - there were only two members of the 'Vance Crime Family'. Not three. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WILLY1 Posted May 1, 2007 Author Share Posted May 1, 2007 (edited) and pete is never mentioned thoughout the whole game. No. You're wrong here, if Pete was never mentioned in the game, then how the hell do we know he exists. I remember Vic mentioning him at least 3 times during storyline. So next time use some common sense. when I said VC i did not mean vcs Since Vic was a member of the Vance Crime family in VC obviously he gave in after what he said at the end of VCS. Seriously, correct me if I am wrong. If pete was never mentioned all the way through VC, then why would it be another brother that died. Edited May 1, 2007 by WILLY1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimp_60cent Posted May 1, 2007 Share Posted May 1, 2007 and pete is never mentioned thoughout the whole game. No. You're wrong here, if Pete was never mentioned in the game, then how the hell do we know he exists. I remember Vic mentioning him at least 3 times during storyline. So next time use some common sense. when I said VC i did not mean vcs Since Vic was a member of the Vance Crime family in VC obviously he gave in after what he said at the end of VCS. Seriously, correct me if I am wrong. If pete was never mentioned all the way through VC, then why would it be another brother that died. Forgive me then Willy, I thought you meant Pete was never mentioned during VCS. And yes, that is correct Pete was never mentioned in VC. Just VCS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WILLY1 Posted May 2, 2007 Author Share Posted May 2, 2007 (edited) FOR AFTER MY EDIT ON POST 1 Go to the 1st post if this makes no sense to you. Give this a good topic rating so it can get pinned, then we won't see anymore Vic Vs. Pete posts. Edited May 2, 2007 by WILLY1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rashon. Posted May 2, 2007 Share Posted May 2, 2007 This won't get pinned no matter what topic rating this is since it'll eventually cause arguments like the past topics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WILLY1 Posted May 2, 2007 Author Share Posted May 2, 2007 what do you guys think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_Pfreely Posted May 2, 2007 Share Posted May 2, 2007 Why is this so important in the first place? Vic live vic die, does it make any difference. Sure, it might affect the next gta, but why is it that vic live or dies means so much? ....... All u can do is hope the next gta that comes out fill in this blank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Rattlehead Posted May 2, 2007 Share Posted May 2, 2007 Why is this so important in the first place? Vic live vic die, does it make any difference. Sure, it might affect the next gta, but why is it that vic live or dies means so much? ....... All u can do is hope the next gta that comes out fill in this blank. Maybe cos some people are interested in speculating and GTA´s storyline, and others are just interested in blowing up cars and shooting people in the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jnzooger Posted May 2, 2007 Share Posted May 2, 2007 (Dang it...browser crashed after long explination...) Another thing to consider...Phil Cassidy He was in III, VC, LCS (only once), and VCS. Yet, he looked different in every version. The VC version to III I can understand, it can be aging that changed his looks. How do you explain the drastic transformation between VCS and VC though? Noone should change that much in two years. (Note: I haven't seen him in LCS yet so I can't comment on that version right now.) On that same note, Toni Cipriani did a bit of a tranformer act as well in two years time. Another transformation in looks is Sex Club 7, which had some majorly strange transformations in a just few years time. Think about it; in 1992, it was still Sex Club 7, by 1998 it was Pauly's, and in 2001 it was back to Sex Club 7 again... So, tell me, why couldn't the dead Vance be Vic? No one has given a good reason yet, and I see plenty of evidence that it could be him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edscoble Posted May 2, 2007 Share Posted May 2, 2007 (edited) And the white lady that Lance is talking about is Louise!! no, let review the line again - Your green - and my dead brother's white lady. "and my dead brother's white lady". in English, if he is talking about Louise, that'd mean she'd be alive, or what's left of her. However he's not talking about Louise, as someone has already pointed out in the first page of this thread, "white lady" is a name for cocaine, very common actually, even Elliott Smith wrote a song about it, called "The White Lady Loves You More". Edited May 2, 2007 by edscoble Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edscoble Posted May 2, 2007 Share Posted May 2, 2007 How do you explain the drastic transformation between VCS and VC though? Noone should change that much in two years. The lack of a moustache in VC a big transformation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jnzooger Posted May 2, 2007 Share Posted May 2, 2007 (edited) How do you explain the drastic transformation between VCS and VC though? Noone should change that much in two years. The lack of a moustache in VC a big transformation? It's not just the 'stache. His facial structure is quite different. And, before you say, "Fatter is a different facial structure?", that is not what I'm talking about. He looks very different, in the real world, they couldn't even be twins. Edit: check the pics on wikipedia:III Vice City Vice City Stories Edit2: After looking at the pics more, VCS Phil looks more like III Phil than VC Phil. Edited May 2, 2007 by jnzooger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WILLY1 Posted May 2, 2007 Author Share Posted May 2, 2007 (Dang it...browser crashed after long explination...) Another thing to consider...Phil Cassidy He was in III, VC, LCS (only once), and VCS. Yet, he looked different in every version. The VC version to III I can understand, it can be aging that changed his looks. How do you explain the drastic transformation between VCS and VC though? Noone should change that much in two years. (Note: I haven't seen him in LCS yet so I can't comment on that version right now.) On that same note, Toni Cipriani did a bit of a tranformer act as well in two years time. Another transformation in looks is Sex Club 7, which had some majorly strange transformations in a just few years time. Think about it; in 1992, it was still Sex Club 7, by 1998 it was Pauly's, and in 2001 it was back to Sex Club 7 again... So, tell me, why couldn't the dead Vance be Vic? No one has given a good reason yet, and I see plenty of evidence that it could be him. allthough people complain about phil cassidy saying he lost his arm in the army, when it was really blown off. It does Cam Jones says, I doubt he was ever in the army, but he can get us some guns. Phil cassidy is just trying to act like a badass. Also vice city is 20 almost years before gta III he should look different Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rashon. Posted May 2, 2007 Share Posted May 2, 2007 (Dang it...browser crashed after long explination...) Another thing to consider...Phil Cassidy He was in III, VC, LCS (only once), and VCS. Yet, he looked different in every version. The VC version to III I can understand, it can be aging that changed his looks. How do you explain the drastic transformation between VCS and VC though? Noone should change that much in two years. (Note: I haven't seen him in LCS yet so I can't comment on that version right now.) On that same note, Toni Cipriani did a bit of a tranformer act as well in two years time. Another transformation in looks is Sex Club 7, which had some majorly strange transformations in a just few years time. Think about it; in 1992, it was still Sex Club 7, by 1998 it was Pauly's, and in 2001 it was back to Sex Club 7 again... So, tell me, why couldn't the dead Vance be Vic? No one has given a good reason yet, and I see plenty of evidence that it could be him. allthough people complain about phil cassidy saying he lost his arm in the army, when it was really blown off. It does Cam Jones says, I doubt he was ever in the army, but he can get us some guns. Phil cassidy is just trying to act like a badass. Also vice city is 20 almost years before gta III he should look different But the real point was that the Phil Cassidys in Vice City and Vice City Stories looked different and sounded completely different which is the same story for Victor so it doesn't matter if Victor looked and talked different from VC to VCS. If it did, that would be like saying the Phil Cassidy from Vice City isn't the Phil Cassidy from Vice City Stories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edscoble Posted May 2, 2007 Share Posted May 2, 2007 How do you explain the drastic transformation between VCS and VC though? Noone should change that much in two years. The lack of a moustache in VC a big transformation? It's not just the 'stache. His facial structure is quite different. And, before you say, "Fatter is a different facial structure?", that is not what I'm talking about. He looks very different, in the real world, they couldn't even be twins. Edit, check the pics on wikipedia:III Vice City Vice City Stories that Phil image in the GTA:VCS is squashed up. thought it's still recognisable as Phil thought and I assumed because of the PSP, there's only so much detail you can add in Phil's face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jnzooger Posted May 2, 2007 Share Posted May 2, 2007 (edited) But the real point was that the Phil Cassidys in Vice City and Vice City Stories looked different and sounded completely different which is the same story for Victor so it doesn't matter if Victor looked and talked different from VC to VCS. If it did, that would be like saying the Phil Cassidy from Vice City isn't the Phil Cassidy from Vice City Stories. Thank you. Amazingly, that too has been suggested for the inconsistancies between III and VC's versions of Phil. that Phil image in the GTA:VCS is squashed up. thought it's still recognisable as Phil thought and I assumed because of the PSP, there's only so much detail you can add in Phil's face. The PSP one looks more detailed actually. Even if you were to strech the other to match, they still look different even barring the quality changes. (I actually couldn't find Phil at first because of how different he looked to me. ) If these are the same person... Then these can be the same person... Note: VCS is more detailed and more rounded. (VCS on Left and VC on Right) Edited May 2, 2007 by jnzooger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WILLY1 Posted May 3, 2007 Author Share Posted May 3, 2007 any problems with this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyV15 Posted May 4, 2007 Share Posted May 4, 2007 (edited) and pete is never mentioned thoughout the whole game. No. You're wrong here, if Pete was never mentioned in the game, then how the hell do we know he exists. I remember Vic mentioning him at least 3 times during storyline. So next time use some common sense. okay listen fool, First off: pete was never mentioned or even known about it GTA: Vice city. 2nd: Pete was brought into VCS to develope vics character. Pete is never shown and they barely even mention him at all. 3rd: No sir YOU need to use common sense! on the GTA website they say it was vic who died. and besides how and why would pete, who is in the hospital even help lance do a drug deal. HE WOULDN'T! Vic does that sort of thing! PLAY VCS! 4th: Vic looks different because vice city was made before VCS, characters are bound to look different, heck even lance looks different in VCS. oh wait, it could be pete, PRETENDING TO BE LANCE! LIKE, OMG! and last: If vic was alive, he and vercetti would have worked together in GTA: Vice City, or at least spoken over the phone. To all those who say it is vic, Bravo for avoiding the stupidity. We need no more topics saying "it was pete who died not vic". VIC DIES, get the hell over it. Edited May 4, 2007 by TommyV15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gantons Most Wanted Posted May 4, 2007 Share Posted May 4, 2007 yes but how does your little outburst justify that?? but i think they've left it for us to decide and why the hell do these topics keep getting started?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiznit Posted May 5, 2007 Share Posted May 5, 2007 But the real point was that the Phil Cassidys in Vice City and Vice City Stories looked different and sounded completely different which is the same story for Victor so it doesn't matter if Victor looked and talked different from VC to VCS. If it did, that would be like saying the Phil Cassidy from Vice City isn't the Phil Cassidy from Vice City Stories. Thank you. Amazingly, that too has been suggested for the inconsistancies between III and VC's versions of Phil. that Phil image in the GTA:VCS is squashed up. thought it's still recognisable as Phil thought and I assumed because of the PSP, there's only so much detail you can add in Phil's face. The PSP one looks more detailed actually. Even if you were to strech the other to match, they still look different even barring the quality changes. (I actually couldn't find Phil at first because of how different he looked to me. ) If these are the same person... Then these can be the same person... Note: VCS is more detailed and more rounded. (VCS on Left and VC on Right) It was pete that die. If you look at the picture look at vic in vice city. he has hair in his chest. he has a his eye way more diferent. and look at his shaped haed. looks to diferent. IT WAS PETE THAT DIE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyV15 Posted May 5, 2007 Share Posted May 5, 2007 But the real point was that the Phil Cassidys in Vice City and Vice City Stories looked different and sounded completely different which is the same story for Victor so it doesn't matter if Victor looked and talked different from VC to VCS. If it did, that would be like saying the Phil Cassidy from Vice City isn't the Phil Cassidy from Vice City Stories. Thank you. Amazingly, that too has been suggested for the inconsistancies between III and VC's versions of Phil. that Phil image in the GTA:VCS is squashed up. thought it's still recognisable as Phil thought and I assumed because of the PSP, there's only so much detail you can add in Phil's face. The PSP one looks more detailed actually. Even if you were to strech the other to match, they still look different even barring the quality changes. (I actually couldn't find Phil at first because of how different he looked to me. ) If these are the same person... Then these can be the same person... Note: VCS is more detailed and more rounded. (VCS on Left and VC on Right) It was pete that die. If you look at the picture look at vic in vice city. he has hair in his chest. he has a his eye way more diferent. and look at his shaped haed. looks to diferent. IT WAS PETE THAT DIE. holy crap this is almost as bad as the san andreas myth topics. VIC IS DEAD! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rashon. Posted May 5, 2007 Share Posted May 5, 2007 But the real point was that the Phil Cassidys in Vice City and Vice City Stories looked different and sounded completely different which is the same story for Victor so it doesn't matter if Victor looked and talked different from VC to VCS. If it did, that would be like saying the Phil Cassidy from Vice City isn't the Phil Cassidy from Vice City Stories. Thank you. Amazingly, that too has been suggested for the inconsistancies between III and VC's versions of Phil. that Phil image in the GTA:VCS is squashed up. thought it's still recognisable as Phil thought and I assumed because of the PSP, there's only so much detail you can add in Phil's face. The PSP one looks more detailed actually. Even if you were to strech the other to match, they still look different even barring the quality changes. (I actually couldn't find Phil at first because of how different he looked to me. ) If these are the same person... Then these can be the same person... Note: VCS is more detailed and more rounded. (VCS on Left and VC on Right) It was pete that die. If you look at the picture look at vic in vice city. he has hair in his chest. he has a his eye way more diferent. and look at his shaped haed. looks to diferent. IT WAS PETE THAT DIE. If you read the last line of jnzooger's post, he explained why the head shapes are different! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jnzooger Posted May 5, 2007 Share Posted May 5, 2007 And the reason for the hair...He was a military man, now he's not. Maybe when he had his head shaved, he desided to shave all his hair for better swiming ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.:Alex:. Posted May 5, 2007 Share Posted May 5, 2007 (edited) Besides, if it wasn't Victor why would Rockstar re-use him? If it was Pete they would use HIM and not Vic. (Also, has anyone ever noticed the magazine with the Vance brothers on the cover in Vice City? It's on the coffee table of the Ocean View Hotel suite. Just something interesting that's all...) Edited May 5, 2007 by .:Alex:. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTAn00b Posted May 5, 2007 Share Posted May 5, 2007 R.I.P. Vic Vance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james_root Posted May 5, 2007 Share Posted May 5, 2007 yeah he is dead there is no doubt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WILLY1 Posted May 6, 2007 Author Share Posted May 6, 2007 and pete is never mentioned thoughout the whole game. No. You're wrong here, if Pete was never mentioned in the game, then how the hell do we know he exists. I remember Vic mentioning him at least 3 times during storyline. So next time use some common sense. okay listen fool, First off: pete was never mentioned or even known about it GTA: Vice city. 2nd: Pete was brought into VCS to develope vics character. Pete is never shown and they barely even mention him at all. 3rd: No sir YOU need to use common sense! on the GTA website they say it was vic who died. and besides how and why would pete, who is in the hospital even help lance do a drug deal. HE WOULDN'T! Vic does that sort of thing! PLAY VCS! 4th: Vic looks different because vice city was made before VCS, characters are bound to look different, heck even lance looks different in VCS. oh wait, it could be pete, PRETENDING TO BE LANCE! LIKE, OMG! and last: If vic was alive, he and vercetti would have worked together in GTA: Vice City, or at least spoken over the phone. To all those who say it is vic, Bravo for avoiding the stupidity. We need no more topics saying "it was pete who died not vic". VIC DIES, get the hell over it. THANK YOU not to be an ass, but VCS is before VC. Seriously guys, lets get this pinned so we won't have to see anymore of these topics, there is no doubt that Vic is dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimp_60cent Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 (edited) and pete is never mentioned thoughout the whole game. No. You're wrong here, if Pete was never mentioned in the game, then how the hell do we know he exists. I remember Vic mentioning him at least 3 times during storyline. So next time use some common sense. okay listen fool, First off: pete was never mentioned or even known about it GTA: Vice city. 2nd: Pete was brought into VCS to develope vics character. Pete is never shown and they barely even mention him at all. 3rd: No sir YOU need to use common sense! on the GTA website they say it was vic who died. and besides how and why would pete, who is in the hospital even help lance do a drug deal. HE WOULDN'T! Vic does that sort of thing! PLAY VCS! 4th: Vic looks different because vice city was made before VCS, characters are bound to look different, heck even lance looks different in VCS. oh wait, it could be pete, PRETENDING TO BE LANCE! LIKE, OMG! and last: If vic was alive, he and vercetti would have worked together in GTA: Vice City, or at least spoken over the phone. To all those who say it is vic, Bravo for avoiding the stupidity. We need no more topics saying "it was pete who died not vic". VIC DIES, get the hell over it. You obviously missed my third post after the on you quoted me. And if you actually read my posts I never said that Pete was the one killed and Victor was alive. I always have said that it was Victor who got killed, if you haven't seen it it's on the 1st page and on the second one. So next time my friend, read first instead of trying to be a smart alleck. What a pity... Edited May 7, 2007 by pimp_60cent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edscoble Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 finished VC, yeah I can safetly says that it's Vic who got killed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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