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Homosexuality, wrong or right?

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TheJkWhoSaysNi

 

About adopting kids for homosexual couples, that would require some kind of voting to do so, involving the whole country population according to their own orientation. I would vote no, for these reasons.

 

Number One - it would influence the kid to become homosexual, and that would make him want to adopt. Those things could become bad as 90% of the gay population want a kid or kids, somehow.

 

and

 

Number Two - Wider array of the homosexual population would mean less reproduction, and more adoptions with lesser kids to be adopted, making for less human reproduction. That's just a myth, cause I doubt that would happen.

 

 

Gay parents will have gay children... just like all straight parents have straight children sarcasm.gif the only difference is that a gay child with gay parents would probably be less afraid of coming out.

 

Look at the situation as a welfare issue. There are orphans who would love to be part of a family and there are couples (both straight and gay) out there who cant have children of their own but want to have a family. The solution is simple isn't it? Don't you think an adopted child would have a better life with a family that spending their childhood in a children's home?

 

Unless there is conclusive proof that gay people bringing up children has some negative effect (and moreso than children in orphanages..) I'm all for gay adoption.

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AZSupraT

I didn't mean that, But it would actually influence the children and encourage the child to do the same.

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LT.Diablo

 

I didn't mean that, But it would actually influence the children and encourage the child to do the same.

[c=FF00FF]I disagree, because, if the parents brought up the child to know it's perfectly acceptable to be gay, as it is to be straight, and didn't pressure the child into either sexual orientation.[/color]

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AZSupraT
I didn't mean that, But it would actually influence the children and encourage the child to do the same.

I disagree, because, if the parents brought up the child to know it's perfectly acceptable to be gay, as it is to be straight, and didn't pressure the child into either sexual orientation.

I never said it was wrong. I said that the parents would encourage them to be homos too.

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Luke
I didn't mean that, But it would actually influence the children and encourage the child to do the same.

I disagree, because, if the parents brought up the child to know it's perfectly acceptable to be gay, as it is to be straight, and didn't pressure the child into either sexual orientation.

I never said it was wrong. I said that the parents would encourage them to be homos too.

That's simply not true, you need to read the rest of this topic...

 

Sexuality has been proven time and time again to be something that can't be influenced by anyone else, and even so - I wouldn't try bring up a child of mine to be gay confused.gif

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LT.Diablo

 

I didn't mean that, But it would actually influence the children and encourage the child to do the same.

I disagree, because, if the parents brought up the child to know it's perfectly acceptable to be gay, as it is to be straight, and didn't pressure the child into either sexual orientation.

I never said it was wrong. I said that the parents would encourage them to be homos too.

That's simply not true, you need to read the rest of this topic...

 

Sexuality has been proven time and time again to be something that can't be influenced by anyone else, and even so - I wouldn't try bring up a child of mine to be gay confused.gif

I guess it depends on how moral the parents are, but really it's a question of how the parents raise the child, it''s possible the child will turn out homosexual anyway out of own personal choice.

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Cypress Hill

As has been said a few times before, a person can't become hetero or homosexual by personal choice. They are born one way or another. This would mean someone with gay parents would be no more likely to be gay than one with straight parents. Gay parents cannot influence there kids to be gay, the same way straight parents can't influence their kids to be straight.

 

I don't see a problem with gay couples adopting kids. Its certainly better than growing up in an orphanage.

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LT.Diablo

 

As has been said a few times before, a person can't become hetero or homosexual by personal choice. They are born one way or another. This would mean someone with gay parents would be no more likely to be gay than one with straight parents. Gay parents cannot influence there kids to be gay, the same way straight parents can't influence their kids to be straight.

 

I don't see a problem with gay couples adopting kids. Its certainly better than growing up in an orphanage.

I suppose it's more likely they will become gay, seeing as they're being raised in a more homosexual enviroment but my previous point is still applicable.

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As has been said a few times before, a person can't become hetero or homosexual by personal choice. They are born one way or another. This would mean someone with gay parents would be no more likely to be gay than one with straight parents. Gay parents cannot influence there kids to be gay, the same way straight parents can't influence their kids to be straight.

 

I don't see a problem with gay couples adopting kids. Its certainly better than growing up in an orphanage.

I suppose it's more likely they will become gay, seeing as they're being raised in a more homosexual enviroment but my previous point is still applicable.

If gay people are born gay and straight people are born straight, then a person's upbringing would have no effect on their orientation, since their orientation was determined before they were born.

 

Of course, it may be possible that environmental factors do effect a person's orientation, in which case children raised by homosexuals might be more likely to be gay, but I don't think it has been proven that environmental factors can affect a person's orientations.

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LT.Diablo

 

As has been said a few times before, a person can't become hetero or homosexual by personal choice. They are born one way or another. This would mean someone with gay parents would be no more likely to be gay than one with straight parents. Gay parents cannot influence there kids to be gay, the same way straight parents can't influence their kids to be straight.

 

I don't see a problem with gay couples adopting kids. Its certainly better than growing up in an orphanage.

I suppose it's more likely they will become gay, seeing as they're being raised in a more homosexual enviroment but my previous point is still applicable.

If gay people are born gay and straight people are born straight, then a person's upbringing would have no effect on their orientation, since their orientation was determined before they were born.

 

Of course, it may be possible that environmental factors do effect a person's orientation, in which case children raised by homosexuals might be more likely to be gay, but I don't think it has been proven that environmental factors can affect a person's orientations.

I don't really see how somebody can be born a certain orientation, seeing as in the womb and such you have no pre-conception of other human beings. The point I'm trying to make won't be explained very well seeing as I'm not too good with words, but basically, people haven't always been homosexuals, because as pointed out in the first post, there is no natural way to reproduce if you are homosexual.

 

So, at some point, people began being gay and then other people were born and if they felt so inclined they would become homosexual. Some people say "Oh I've known I was gay since I was born" but really you don't, personally I think it's determined in your teenage years, as your hormones are changing and your feelings towards other people become more prominent. Again, that point probably could be made in much better detail but I'm not the most eloquent wordsmith.

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The-King

People, as animals are born with a natural inclination towards another sex. Take this example, someone is born, put in a box, and lives there, without any contact with anything outside of food and water for sustenance. When he reaches the age of twenty-one they release him and train him in the art of english, and provide a small education for him so he can be somewhat normal (keep in mind they do this without him seeing any humans, images or otherwise). They blindfold him and put him in a room with a man and a woman. Depending on his sexual orientation he will wither find the male or the female attractive. Animals are born knowing sex, they aren't taught it, there has been research done into animal homosexuality. Considering animals lack the rationality to provide education for their young, they are preprogrammed with the ability to raise the children, so there is no differentiating in the process of being raised for animals, yet somehow there is factual evidence of animal homosexuality. In my opinion that shatters the nature vs nurture argument in providing proof that animals are born with predetermined sexual orientation, humans being an animalian species it applies to us too.

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Otter
Considering animals lack the rationality to provide education for their young

Methinks you have some reading to do.

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Toni.Cipriani
People, as animals are born with a natural inclination towards another sex. Take this example, someone is born, put in a box, and lives there, without any contact with anything outside of food and water for sustenance. When he reaches the age of twenty-one they release him and train him in the art of english, and provide a small education for him so he can be somewhat normal (keep in mind they do this without him seeing any humans, images or otherwise). They blindfold him and put him in a room with a man and a woman. Depending on his sexual orientation he will wither find the male or the female attractive.

I heard a story about some girl that was kept in captivity inside a house with nothing but rice, a couch to sleep on and water by her father until she turned nine. Police raided the house, took the dude into custody. Next day the guy was released, and the girl sent to an orphanage.

 

I don't mind the gay, that's their problem if they're gay or hetero, or bi. One of the greatest singers in the world was gay. And no, it's not Elton John. That dude lacks rock n roll. I'm talking about Freddy Mercury.

 

Would you refuse to talk to Freddy because he was a gay man? I doubt it.

 

I think it's just not my thing to judge people upon their sexual belief.

 

Drifting a bit away from the subject, my problem stands with the emo. I think parents these days are so liberal. My pops would beat the sh*t out of me if I came home with a f*ckin mohawk back in the day.

 

Today, a dude is like. "Yo dad, I'm gonna grab myself a mohawk, some leather pants and a pair of lumberjack boots." and his dad would be like "Ah okay son, here's my credit card." "oh yeah man, if you go to the mall today, buy that new Green Day album" "sure."

 

It's been a while since I've been in this forum... damn...

 

 

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Mister Zero

 

I heard a story about some girl that was kept in captivity inside a house with nothing but rice, a couch to sleep on and water by her father until she turned nine. Police raided the house, took the dude into custody. Next day the guy was released, and the girl sent to an orphanage.

 

Genie was her name. She was held prisoner, strapped to a potty for days at a time. We studied her case in Psychology in college.

 

 

Take this example, someone is born, put in a box, and lives there, without any contact with anything outside of food and water for sustenance. When he reaches the age of twenty-one they release him and train him in the art of english, and provide a small education for him so he can be somewhat normal...

 

Impossible. The cut of point for adapting and using language is 5 years old, and as we grow we have to see images all the time for us to learn and sense who or what is around us. This wouldn't aid us in finding out the sex of a human being. The environment would have a massive factor, but people are needed for arousal to be generated in the first place.

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Cypress Hill

 

As has been said a few times before, a person can't become hetero or homosexual by personal choice. They are born one way or another. This would mean someone with gay parents would be no more likely to be gay than one with straight parents. Gay parents cannot influence there kids to be gay, the same way straight parents can't influence their kids to be straight.

 

I don't see a problem with gay couples adopting kids. Its certainly better than growing up in an orphanage.

I suppose it's more likely they will become gay, seeing as they're being raised in a more homosexual enviroment but my previous point is still applicable.

If gay people are born gay and straight people are born straight, then a person's upbringing would have no effect on their orientation, since their orientation was determined before they were born.

 

Of course, it may be possible that environmental factors do effect a person's orientation, in which case children raised by homosexuals might be more likely to be gay, but I don't think it has been proven that environmental factors can affect a person's orientations.

I don't really see how somebody can be born a certain orientation, seeing as in the womb and such you have no pre-conception of other human beings. The point I'm trying to make won't be explained very well seeing as I'm not too good with words, but basically, people haven't always been homosexuals, because as pointed out in the first post, there is no natural way to reproduce if you are homosexual.

 

So, at some point, people began being gay and then other people were born and if they felt so inclined they would become homosexual. Some people say "Oh I've known I was gay since I was born" but really you don't, personally I think it's determined in your teenage years, as your hormones are changing and your feelings towards other people become more prominent. Again, that point probably could be made in much better detail but I'm not the most eloquent wordsmith.

 

People have natural sexual instincts that they are more or less born with, though they don’t come into full effect until puberty. You say that homosexuality can’t be natural because they can’t reproduce, but if the inability to reproduce is unnatural, then how are some people born sterile. Why does menopause happen if it’s not natural for people not to be able to reproduce?

 

There is considerable evidence that implies that a person’s sexual orientation may be determined before birth. For example, the more biological older brothers a male has, the more likely he is to be gay. This is even true when males aren’t even raised with their older siblings. Could you give a justification for this, other than homosexuality being a natural trait for some people?

 

People usually do first develop sexual inclinations during their teen years, gay or straight. But that doesn’t mean that the factors that cause these sexual inclinations start with puberty. Imo, even if someone’s orientation were affected by their environment, they would start developing a homosexual or heterosexual orientation well before puberty.

 

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Luke

If this helps in any way, I knew I was gay before I started puberty, lots of other gay people will tell you the same thing.

 

As I said on the last page, someone brought up as through they were the opposite sex will even go back to their 'natural' sexual orientation at some point during puberty, all of the evidence suggests that it's something set in stone that can't be altered, just remains inactive until your teenage years.

 

Toni.Cipriani: Calling sexuality a "sexual belief" is far from correct, by definition beliefs have to be things you've consciously decided upon. As for your whole emo rant, er, what the f*ck? I'm a very liberal person, brought up in a very liberal way, I'm not an emo, I'd like to think I turned out reasonably ok and normal..

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Toni.Cipriani

 

If this helps in any way, I knew I was gay before I started puberty, lots of other gay people will tell you the same thing.

 

As I said on the last page, someone brought up as through they were the opposite sex will even go back to their 'natural' sexual orientation at some point during puberty, all of the evidence suggests that it's something set in stone that can't be altered, just remains inactive until your teenage years.

 

Toni.Cipriani: Calling sexuality a "sexual belief" is far from correct, by definition beliefs have to be things you've consciously decided upon. As for your whole emo rant, er, what the f*ck? I'm a very liberal person, brought up in a very liberal way, I'm not an emo, I'd like to think I turned out reasonably ok and normal..

Well man, for starters, I was brought up in a very strict inviroment... or is enviroment? Anyways, my point is that, you can be liberal all you want. But that would affect how that person would turn out to be. Imagine.

 

You got a kid. And that kid starts to ask for sh*t. You give it, cause you love that kid, and you wanna cherish the care you have for it, showing that. But the more you give, the more they want. Next thing you know it they want a piercing, and an iPod, and a computer...

 

and then when you realise, you haven't enforced much to that child, it's too late. He's already a teenager that frequents punk rock concerts.

 

It's okay to like punk rock. It's not okay to dress like f*cking frankenstein.

 

You catch my drift?

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spyro_ie
You got a kid. And that kid starts to ask for sh*t. You give it, cause you love that kid, and you wanna cherish the care you have for it, showing that. But the more you give, the more they want. Next thing you know it they want a piercing, and an iPod, and a computer...

 

and then when you realise, you haven't enforced much to that child, it's too late. He's already a teenager that frequents punk rock concerts.

 

It's okay to like punk rock. It's not okay to dress like f*cking frankenstein.

 

You catch my drift?

I'm sorry, but I don't quite see your point? What does emo have to do with homosexuality?

 

Anyways, back to the topic at hand. I believe it is not a choice to become a homosexual. It just doesn't make sense. If a person, hypothectically, had a choice in being straight or gay, clearly they would choose straight. I'm sure everyone agrees on this.

 

To be honest, this whole gay discussion confuses me. I personally believe, as a rule, that if you are happy and your not hurting anyone, then do what you want. If you are hurt, say by your kid being gay or so forth, try to see past it and see that the most important thing is their happiness. So if they're happy, you really shouldn't have a problem with it.

 

Now, a couple of trivial questions:

 

Is it true that 10% of the world are homosexual? I heard this statistic and was wondering if it is anywhere near accurate.

 

And how come that most gay guys, and please don't take offense, are effeminate? Is it because they are the only ones willing to admit openly to being gay, or are all gay guys like that? I don't want to come across as small minded, but I genuinley would like to know!

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Vercetti Gangsta

Do whatever you feel is right, for you. If you feel attracted to men, then that's the way it's supposed to be. smile.gif

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Toni.Cipriani
I'm sorry, but I don't quite see your point? What does emo have to do with homosexuality?

Absolutely nothing, I cited that as drifting a bit away from the subject in one of my posts.

 

Well, back into the homo subject, homosexuality as a whole is intuitive. To me, if you want to do something, just do it. Life is so short man, and if you dont have the balls to do whatever you want, or whatever your heart tells you to, you don't deserve to live at all. God sent us to enjoy earth, and have a great time here. So why not do whatever you feel like?

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And how come that most gay guys, and please don't take offense, are effeminate? Is it because they are the only ones willing to admit openly to being gay, or are all gay guys like that? I don't want to come across as small minded, but I genuinley would like to know!

There's no offence to be taken, it's true that there are lots of effeminite gay people, I'm not sure it's most of them though. There are lots of non-camp gay people that are out, the difference is - you wont notice them when you walk down the street or talk to them. I'm not camp in the slightest (really), but most of the gay people I know in "real life" are, those I know on the net it's about a 50/50 split, probably gives you an idea.

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Ah yes, the argument that reproduction is the meaning of life. Let us look at ourselves, millions if not billions of years ago, when we were of the simplest Eukaryotes. What is their purpose for living? Well, they have some function, and then reproduce. Really the biggest things there are. Have these properties for simple Eukaryotes stuck with us during evolution? Certainly. But as the organisms became more complex, so did those seemingly simple properties. It is now so complex that it is really hard to tell what is now the meaning of life.

 

Over time, the need for reproduction just simply decreases. In fact, too much of it is harmful at these later stages. Observe bacterium and their reproduction. They don't stop and can potentially destroy their food source, which will then destroy them. Same thing is happening with us. You can't really say that reproduction is the main reason for living now, as we have many other functions in life that surpass it greatly.

 

This leaves the argument to whether it is harmful to others or not. Sorry if I offend anyone, but usually people that find it harmful are quite religious and closed-minded (synonymous?) and really their is only one path to a wanted result. That's far from the truth, and I do think that stating that homosexuality is wrong is much more harmful than homosexuality itself (as it appears to be absent from that). Not only that, but it accomplishes nothing good in the long run. Let me provide an example (and hopefully you can be liberal enough to not digress on how it is unrelated when I try to provide something simple and generic to you):

 

I smoked well before I was of legal age. Did legal age stop me from smoking? No, it didn't. Did it help? No, it pissed me off. I know a lot of people who had the same thing happen to them. Same result. So, what is the point of this? They tried to protect me, but it didn't work at all. You can go and say how being gay is so wrong, and take some sort of legal action against people wishing to be gay. If you succeed, what then have you accomplished? Nothing. They are still gay, and will most likely stay that way. So let us say, for some absolutely insane reason that being gay is harmful and transfer this into the example. The obvious output is that you are trying to prevent something that cannot be prevented. If it were truly so wrong, then we would see some sort of f*cking educated reasons why, and inform the public rather than just making it illegal. And yes, when I said educated reasons, that excludes all religious beliefs. No theocracy, please.

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And how come that most gay guys, and please don't take offense, are effeminate? Is it because they are the only ones willing to admit openly to being gay, or are all gay guys like that? I don't want to come across as small minded, but I genuinley would like to know!

There's no offence to be taken, it's true that there are lots of effeminite gay people, I'm not sure it's most of them though. There are lots of non-camp gay people that are out, the difference is - you wont notice them when you walk down the street or talk to them. I'm not camp in the slightest (really), but most of the gay people I know in "real life" are, those I know on the net it's about a 50/50 split, probably gives you an idea.

I know feminine type of queers.

 

My english teacher, my Science teacher, my Guidance Counselor. Though they deny to death that they're fa**ots. And what's worse is, you're just 100% positive they are.

 

Those are the most retarded. If you're gay, at least admit it.

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There's no offence to be taken, it's true that there are lots of effeminite gay people, I'm not sure it's most of them though. There are lots of non-camp gay people that are out, the difference is - you wont notice them when you walk down the street or talk to them. I'm not camp in the slightest (really), but most of the gay people I know in "real life" are, those I know on the net it's about a 50/50 split, probably gives you an idea.

I know feminine type of queers.

 

My english teacher, my Science teacher, my Guidance Counselor. Though they deny to death that they're fa**ots. And what's worse is, you're just 100% positive they are.

 

Those are the most retarded. If you're gay, at least admit it.

Oh dear

 

...

 

Here was I thinking that we were able to have a debate in this forum about almost anything without people sinking to stupidly low levels, and there you are calling half the people you know "fa**ots". You've quite pissed me off really..

 

How the hell do you know when someone's gay? There are people who act feminine out there that aren't gay, I'm not saying there aren't gay people who do so also, but it's far from acceptable to think that you're the one who's right if they deny it. There's even words for people who are heterosexual and effeminite.

 

If they actually are gay, have you considered perhaps why they might deny it to you? It's fair to say that homophobia is far from dead, and when it could affect every day of your life and job, it's reasonable to not be open about it. Even more importantly, if they are gay, why do you care?

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Alfresco

 

I know feminine type of queers.

 

My english teacher, my Science teacher, my Guidance Counselor. Though they deny to death that they're fa**ots. And what's worse is, you're just 100% positive they are.

 

Those are the most retarded. If you're gay, at least admit it.

 

*sigh* dozingoff.gif Some people are morons.

 

I happen to be a guy who enjoys walks, camping, outdoorsy stuff ya know? ... I'm married

I have a friend who enjoys walks, camping, outdoorsy stuff ... he's gay.

 

There's no difference apart from our sexuality, but you wouldn't know it either way from looking at us or talking to us

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I know feminine type of queers.

 

My english teacher, my Science teacher, my Guidance Counselor. Though they deny to death that they're fa**ots. And what's worse is, you're just 100% positive they are.

 

Those are the most retarded. If you're gay, at least admit it.

Wait, do you actually ask your teachers if they are gay? I'd be surprised if you do.

 

I can't really take you seriously Toni. Just reading that post, it seems like you're trying too hard to be offensive.

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There's no offence to be taken, it's true that there are lots of effeminite gay people, I'm not sure it's most of them though.

I don't think I have ever met an openly gay guy who didn't talk in a forced high-pitch voice. Could it be just something subconsciously done to attract attention of other homosexual males? Sort of an "I'm gay" beacon. Or am I completely off?

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There's no offence to be taken, it's true that there are lots of effeminite gay people, I'm not sure it's most of them though.

I don't think I have ever met an openly gay guy who didn't talk in a forced high-pitch voice. Could it be just something subconsciously done to attract attention of other homosexual males? Sort of an "I'm gay" beacon. Or am I completely off?

I don't think so, but I know what you mean - seems like 75% of the gay people I meet are camp.

 

I think it's more likely that you don't notice the non-camp ones, there's not a person in the world who's ever guessed that I'm gay without being told (I have loud-mouthed friends, they usually get told pretty quickly) and I kind of like that, it allows me to live my life free of stereotypes when I need to, with work related business etc... I don't think a high pitched voice is forced though, lots of gay people genuinely are more womanly-behaved, something biological?

 

Seriously though, I'm openly gay and I don't have a high pitched voice, some of the people who've met me in real life (there's a few of them round the forums) or heard my voice before will vouch for that.

 

As for an "I'm gay beacon", funny you should mention that - you have no idea how much of a pain in the arse it is to find non-camp gay people out there (I'm not into camp guys) for a relationship, I've only ever found one...

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Otter

I live in a very gay friendly city, so I've met a lot of homosexuals that don't "play it up." You notice a bit more femininity in a lot of guys here in Vancouver - the "metro sexual" thing - so it's nearly impossible to pin it on sexual orientation.

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I don't know what to call the gay. I gues it's the fact I commonly use that explective.

 

My teachers, have been sighted with other men, have been proved gay several times, but deny it.

 

One of the teachers admitted he was gay to someone, and that someone spread the word around.

 

Alfresco, you completely misunderstood my statement. And of course your post made no sense in the fact that my post was referring to the way of acting, not the person's activities. Nothing relates to it.

 

Doesn't a person's way to act, especially refusing to date the most beautiful girl, make you think they're gay?

 

I'm not trying to be offensive at all. I am pissed off with my teacher. But not because of his sexual belief, but because he's a moron who knows only to talk bad about me in front of my parents. In fact, it's not only him, but indeed most my teachers...

 

You're all taking my words to another direction. I have nothing against someone's sexuality. That doesn't bother me in the slightest.

 

Well, at the time i posted that, one of my teachers had just spoken to my dad. So I guess I overreacted.

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