Miguel, killed in 1998, killed again in 2000?!

[Marmolade]

How could Miguel of been in LC:S and been killed? You can't say that wasn't him. Because it was completely like him. Columbian, similar dressing style, same face, same character model shape (the exact same build he had in GTA3), dealing drugs, and same name. Did he like, survive or something?

[saintdave]

The Colombian you meet up with in the mission Contra-Banned is indeed Miguel, but like everyone else who has completed that level and the game you'll know that either yourself or the Leone goons will have gunned him down during the shoot-up between the two gangs at the docks.

 

This obviously should affect the storyline so I can only assume Rockstar overlooked or forgot about the importance of his role in GTA 3. For continuity I just like to think he survived the attack much like Claude survived being shot at the start of GTA 3.

[Marmolade]

This obviously should affect the storyline so I can only assume Rockstar overlooked or forgot about the importance of his role in GTA 3. For continuity I just like to think he survived the attack much like Claude survived being shot at the start of GTA 3.

Maybe the reason Miguel was such a puss'ay in GTA3 was because of his mishap.

[Lance_VanceVC]

He didn't get killed he escaped after the cutscene

[Brenteus Maximus]

Yeah i thought he ran off once the cops showed up at the docks

[saintdave]

Nope. If you play the mission you’ll notice he is at the front of the gang Toni meets up with. If you as Toni fail to kill him then the Leone's with Toni kill him.

 

No cut scene plays to indicate he makes it out alive.

[CarpetDweller]

It's a long times since I played it, but I do remember this point being raised at the time.

Because of that I played the mission through quite a few times to try and complete it without killing Miguel.

 

I couldn't. I got as far as killing everyone else on the scene and even trying to just punch him or knock him over . I have left him alive and driven away and still the the mission would not end until I returned and left him lying in his own blood. It seems that he has to die.

 

Why any logical writer would choose to bring back a character from something set later and then kill him off is beyond me, but there you go.

 

The best explaination I've heard was when someone pointed out just how great the medical facilities in GTA are. All the main characters suffer surely fatal incidents all the time, yet they wake up at the hospital feeling great. These doctors perform miracles (do they get any thanks? - No!). Why should the protagonists be the only ones to get this treatment?

 

No doubt Salvatore's recovering in a hospital ward somewhere with Catalina, Asuka... and possibly Maria.

[MC.]

It's a long times since I played it, but I do remember this point being raised at the time.

Because of that I played the mission through quite a few times to try and complete it without killing Miguel.

 

I couldn't. I got as far as killing everyone else on the scene and even trying to just punch him or knock him over . I have left him alive and driven away and still the the mission would not end until I returned and left him lying in his own blood. It seems that he has to die.

 

Why any logical writer would choose to bring back a character from something set later and then kill him off is beyond me, but there you go.

 

The best explaination I've heard was when someone pointed out just how great the medical facilities in GTA are. All the main characters suffer surely fatal incidents all the time, yet they wake up at the hospital feeling great. These doctors perform miracles (do they get any thanks? - No!). Why should the protagonists be the only ones to get this treatment?

 

No doubt Salvatore's recovering in a hospital ward somewhere with Catalina, Asuka... and possibly Maria.

I actually like that theory. Oh yeah maybe Victor Vance is there too. Rofl.

[monkeyman237]

The best explaination I've heard was when someone pointed out just how great the medical facilities in GTA are. All the main characters suffer surely fatal incidents all the time, yet they wake up at the hospital feeling great. These doctors perform miracles (do they get any thanks? - No!). Why should the protagonists be the only ones to get this treatment?

That's the way I think about it, most likely that's the only way of explaining it, not often that R* would be caught out, or if it was meant to happen.

[Adam Jensen]

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[Adam Jensen]

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[Vic Rattlehead]

Maybe it is just that they didnt remember/didnt look after what happened to Miguel in GTA3. Same way Phil Cassidy lost his right arm, but in later cut scene he had lost his left arm in Vice City.

[WILLY1]

to MC_340

 

has nothing to do with the topic, but you have 0% in the best gta game of all

[Brenteus Maximus]

Maybe it is just that they didnt remember/didnt look after what happened to Miguel in GTA3. Same way Phil Cassidy lost his right arm, but in later cut scene he had lost his left arm in Vice City.

Well Phil is an easily explained retcon. The fact that he is a drunk Section 8'er helps to explain either of the two possibilities that explain his arm story with what happened in Vice City.

 

One possibility is that he was simply too ashamed to admit he lost his arm in a boomshine explosion so he claimed he lost it in combat. Since the only people who would know the truth about the incident are in Vice City, why not lie about it? Losing an arm in military service is a more crowd-pleasing story for anyone who asks than saying, i was drunk and blew it off, right?

 

The other possibility though, which in part related to VCS, is that Phil is so nuts (by Section 8'er, for those who don't know, i mean that Phil was likely discharged from the army for being crazy... like Klinger always tried to do on MASH). Phil seems to have flashbacks of his military service, like he did in VCS when Louise was killed and he referred to her as a good soldier and its entirely possible that Phil genuinely thinks he lost his arm in combat. He might be so traumatized by the boomshine incident that he remembers it as wartime flashback. He thinks he was in nicaragua and Corporal Vercetti brought him to the MASH unit in time of something.

 

Either way, its a better way of retconning Phil's arm than what LCS did with Miguel. I mean Miguel was a big enough part of GTA 3 that they should have noticed they were killing him twice. Of course the simplest explanation of all could simply be that he is another Miguel. I mean there is nothing to suggest Fernando and Sergeant Martinez are related, or that T-Bone and the Mendez brothers are related, so why can't there just have been some other drug dealer named Miguel who worked for the Colombians and was killed in 98?

[Mitza_003]

He didn't get killed he escaped after the cutscene

I think this must be it. The guys from Rockstar are too carefull at the details....

[MC.]

to MC_340

 

has nothing to do with the topic, but you have 0% in the best gta game of all

Well sorry I don't really give a crap. It may be the best GTA game of all to you, but not to me. I had 0% because I had to start a new game. Sorry.

[Bluenothing65]

i thought he was just injured bruttaly an woke up at a hospital

[Skirge]

The FBI showed up and ran over one of the Colombians That wasn't Miguel. And as far as I know, Miguel killed the Leones, maybe? How could we know as our mission was to escape with the drugs..

[Fubu]

Miguel wasn't killed. He escaped after the FBI/DEA showed up. It's not possible that Rockstar makes Miguel dead and he wakes up in GTA 3.

[gohan__14]

He just survived, that's all. After being shot he fell down. He was hurted badly but he was still alive. After FBI started to chase Toni, which had the drugs, Miguel stood up, or cravled to a save spot. When the F.B.I. came back from chasing Toni to investigate, Miguel was far away.

[nosferatu5]

Maybe it is just that they didnt remember/didnt look after what happened to Miguel in GTA3. Same way Phil Cassidy lost his right arm, but in later cut scene he had lost his left arm in Vice City. 

Well Phil is an easily explained retcon. The fact that he is a drunk Section 8'er helps to explain either of the two possibilities that explain his arm story with what happened in Vice City.

 

One possibility is that he was simply too ashamed to admit he lost his arm in a boomshine explosion so he claimed he lost it in combat. Since the only people who would know the truth about the incident are in Vice City, why not lie about it? Losing an arm in military service is a more crowd-pleasing story for anyone who asks than saying, i was drunk and blew it off, right?

 

The other possibility though, which in part related to VCS, is that Phil is so nuts (by Section 8'er, for those who don't know, i mean that Phil was likely discharged from the army for being crazy... like Klinger always tried to do on MASH). Phil seems to have flashbacks of his military service, like he did in VCS when Louise was killed and he referred to her as a good soldier and its entirely possible that Phil genuinely thinks he lost his arm in combat. He might be so traumatized by the boomshine incident that he remembers it as wartime flashback. He thinks he was in nicaragua and Corporal Vercetti brought him to the MASH unit in time of something.

 

Either way, its a better way of retconning Phil's arm than what LCS did with Miguel. I mean Miguel was a big enough part of GTA 3 that they should have noticed they were killing him twice. Of course the simplest explanation of all could simply be that he is another Miguel. I mean there is nothing to suggest Fernando and Sergeant Martinez are related, or that T-Bone and the Mendez brothers are related, so why can't there just have been some other drug dealer named Miguel who worked for the Colombians and was killed in 98?

Um, yeah, both are really good theories...

[Baramos]

I thought he escaped after the cutscene. Like there was him and three back-ups behind him and then as soon as the cutscene ended with them being found you only had to shoot three Columbians and get away with the jeep.

 

Of note is you can supposedly kill Mama Cipriani in the mission where she calls the hit on you, as well, so let's say Rockstar Leeds isn't that good with the small details.

[willy_825]

about phil, they explain it in Vice City. Cam jones says, well i doubt hes ever been in the milliatary. But he can get a lot of guns.

[Loyal to the Game]

I guesse he just survived. I seriously doubt it was just a coincidence someone else invented a character of the same name, voice, gang, nationality, profession and dress sense as one from a previous game.

[TenAte108]

Maybe Toni killed him in front of the FBI and after the ambush has happened the cops took Miguel in some kind of Medical facility and as a miracle made him survive somehow while interrogating him that leads to him snitching on the Leone and that's why there was a lot of Rats in the family and Leone was falling off, The leone then came after the colombians and wanted him dead that's why he was making a score with Catalina to escape Liberty City with her, that explains why he is such a coward in GTA 3, that's him was THE RAT and Salvatore was just paranoid thinking his own people in his family were the ones who ratted him out.

 

P.S. in GTA 3, the coding for the colombians and leone is provoking fights just like the Yakuza so that alone explains it all

[Anywhere USA]

He got better. Just like ULP guy got better.
 

And Leon MacAffrey…well better might be a stretch for him, but still.

[drcherrybomb]

The story of this GTA LCS game is absolutely awful when it comes to defining what's canon and what isn't. But then again, I'm replaying it so I could see if there are actual notable things I overlooked throughout the storyline. I don't know, until then it's a "meh".

 

Besides, this is a topic from 15 years ago, why did it randomly get bumped?

[Max Payne]

Man that topic title made me laugh like a crazy motherf*cker. It looks like he survived somehow, great example up there by mentioning ULP guy.

[Guest]

i just now learned about this... this is insanely interesting, i even played throuhg the game not noticing that. wow