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[gamesguru]

Pretty good tracks guys, thanks; I'll be sure to look out for more .

 

Just listened to the Raekwon mixtape, and it's really good; can't wait for the album in September. And just some random tracks because I feel like it:

 

 

 

[XAF226]

 

Really?

 

bleh

 

Lil Wayne is straight trash.

I could pick a sh*tty verse from any of your favourite artists, pre Carter 3 he was crazy. Not so much now, but his word play was untouchable.

I'll pick a hundred sh*tty verses from Lil Wayne and you can pick twenty from Rakim.

 

 

Will be checking that out, sweet cover.

 

With Wayne, he has so much material out there it's crazy. Tha Carter 1, Da Drought 3, The Leak and Dedication 2 are probably his best. These are few of my faves:

Georgia Bush is an ok song but the other two are still sh*tty.

[Vanillainy]

Rakim is the GOAT for a reason, Lil Wayne isn't.

[Flesh-n-Bone]

For me the best rapper I've ever heard of is Big Daddy Kane. Well, he's top 10 at least. And about lyrics, I admit even he has a few stupid verses and I don't want to have to dig through a huge collection like Wayne's to find something that's good, you should be good in your official albums and not make one million mixtapes where 3 out of 30 are good. Georgia Bush is just okay though I can't listen to it more than once or twice because I find it boring. And being political seems to be a tactic to get a good rep from the hardcore 'purists'.

[ObsydianRaven]

Anyone here like Notorious BIG?

 

 

 

[Flesh-n-Bone]

He is good but overrated.

[XAF226]

 

For me the best rapper I've ever heard of is Big Daddy Kane. Well, he's top 10 at least. And about lyrics, I admit even he has a few stupid verses and I don't want to have to dig through a huge collection like Wayne's to find something that's good, you should be good in your official albums and not make one million mixtapes where 3 out of 30 are good. Georgia Bush is just okay though I can't listen to it more than once or twice because I find it boring. And being political seems to be a tactic to get a good rep from the hardcore 'purists'.

I haven't listened to Big Daddy Kane that much so I wouldn't know why he would be top ten material. I haven't listened to much good rap so this might look pretty limited.

 

Top ten

 

10. Big L

9. Slick Rick

8. Scarface

7. GZA

6. Kool G Rap

5. Chuck D

4. KRS-One

3. Ice Cube

2. Nas

1. Rakim

 

Five months ago this would have been my list.

 

10. Dr. Dre

9. Eminem

8. Kanye West

7. Lil Wayne

6. T.I.

5. Jadakiss

4. Jay-Z

3. Tupac

2. The Notorious B.I.G.

1. Nas

[epoxi]

 

He is good but overrated.

I think that too, but no one ever actually plays his music. Maybe if people started listening to music instead of beef, the world would be a better place.

 

Oh, and congratulations XAF226, you have seen the light.

[BrownBear]

biggie is good yeah but i agree that he is overrated

[Flesh-n-Bone]

My favorite Biggie song is "Ten Crack Commandments". His skills are simply above what he showed in other songs there, and add Premier's legendary beats to ride with and you got a classic track.

 

My top 10 MCs ever would look something like:

10. LL Cool J (can't be 100% but his longevity and legacy is always at the top.)

9. Scarface

8. Chuck D

7. Kool G Rap

6. KRS-One

5. Nas

4. 2Pac (I don't care about what anyone with "unique views" says but he had more than "gangsta partying" as they are his most famous songs.)

3. Rakim

2. Ice Cube

1. Big Daddy Kane

 

BDK is a must in anyone's top 10 after listening to him. Just go back a couple of pages and play the song I put up, it's L's song and BDK still outshines him, just proves how much of a legend he is and the credit he truly deserves. Too bad him and Kool G Rap are the most underrated in the majority of knowledgeable lists. Another thing, BDK proves is that an album shouldn't be judged by it's cover. Just look at them, his album covers mostly are pimp style but the material inside the CD are completely different and he has more than just being a "lover-man".

 

I really recommend "Long Live the Kane", "It's a Big Daddy Thing" and "Looks Like a Job For..." to anyone who hasn't heard them already.

[ObsydianRaven]

I just listened to some songs from ICP's Bang Pow Boom sampler, and my only reaction was,

I officialy give up on ICP. There f*cking horrible now, they'll never be like they used to, and their sellouts.

Edited August 19, 2009 by sethpenguin

[Flesh-n-Bone]

 

I just listened to some smapler songs from ICP's Bang Pow Boom, and my only reaction was,

I officialy give up on ICP. There f*cking horrible now, they'll never be like they used to, and their sellouts.

Good to hear, they have always been horrible, so to anyone looking for something good from them... there's nowhere to start from.

[ObsydianRaven]

 

I just listened to some smapler songs from ICP's Bang Pow Boom, and my only reaction was,

I officialy give up on ICP. There f*cking horrible now, they'll never be like they used to, and their sellouts.

Good to hear, they have always been horrible, so to anyone looking for something good from them... there's nowhere to start from.

Well to be honest, I think they're old stuff, (IE: Songs realeased in 1992-99) was actually better than they're new stuff, but that's just my opinion. But if there would be a reason to liste to them, it'd just be to get laughs.

 

EDIT: But at least they ain't as bad as Soulja Boy.

Edited August 19, 2009 by sethpenguin

[Flesh-n-Bone]

Well, it doesn't take much to be better than Soulja Boy. I can prove that I'm better than him by writing a good verse and perform it over a random instrumental even out of synch. So being better than Soulja Boy is hardly an achievement to be honest.

[Scifen]

 

He is good but overrated.

 

biggie is good yeah but i agree that he is overrated

 

I think that too

 

Thats a f*cking joke right?

 

On the real, this thread is so far f*cking gone. I can't even f*cking stand it anymore.

 

I mean now we got hoes slamming f*cking Biggie Smalls.

 

 

Well, it doesn't take much to be better than Soulja Boy. I can prove that I'm better than him by writing a good verse and perform it over a random instrumental even out of synch. So being better than Soulja Boy is hardly an achievement to be honest.

 

K.

 

Then try and get a fan base as big as him

Then perform infront of thousands of people without choking, lets see you try and do that better then souljah boy.

 

I don't understand you guys when you say your better then Mr.TellEm, how come he's signed and your not? What are you trying to prove?

 

Really, he's pretty good at keeping a crowd entertained.

 

Heres some real "Mainstream" for you kids to wrap around your heads.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited August 19, 2009 by Scifen

[Flesh-n-Bone]

Thats a f*cking joke right?

 

On the real, this thread is so far f*cking gone. I can't even f*cking stand it anymore.

 

I mean now we got hoes slamming f*cking Biggie Smalls.

Nobody said anything about Biggie, yep, he might be overrated. I mean he's good and somewhere in a top 20. But the old "1. Tupac 2. Biggie" formula is getting old quickly and people need to open their ears and listen to more than just dickriding two dead legends.

 

Plus, there's no need to act like an e-thug with the excessive use of the f-word. LOL @ "hoes".

 

 

K.

 

Then try and get a fan base as big as him

Then perform infront of thousands of people without choking, lets see you try and do that better then souljah boy.

 

I don't understand you guys when you say your better then Mr.TellEm, how come he's signed and your not? What are you trying to prove?

 

Really, he's pretty good at keeping a crowd entertained.

 

Maybe if I would give it a try then I would succeed... but I'm too lazy to do it!

 

And selling more & getting more radio play or having a larger fanbase doesn't mean you're better... There's a difference between popularity and talent.

[ObsydianRaven]

SInce we're now talking about sh*tty music, here's that sampler I was talking about,

 

Edited August 19, 2009 by sethpenguin

[XAF226]

 

Heres some real "Mainstream" for you kids to wrap around your heads.

How are Young Jeezy, Lil Wayne, and Officer Ricky real at anything? Real mainstream isn't even played. I have yet to hear anything like "Holy Are You" on the radio.

[Clem Fandango]

 

Then try and get a fan base as big as him

Argumentum ad populum.

 

And yeah, Biggie is pretty good. Not THAT good really, and certainly not as good as a lot of my friends would have me believe, but he does stand out above a lot of other acts.

[nutboy]

Can anyone reccomend to me some ungerground hip hop thats current(as in artists still makin good tracks)

[Clem Fandango]

Atmosphere and MF DOOM are the ones that come to mind staright away. Of course there are much more, but I can't be bothered writing out a large list of acts, especially given that there are quite a few lists in this topic already.

[gamesguru]

Just found out that Eminem was in a rap group called Soul Intent before the days of the Slim Shady EP. I was listening to the tracks on RapBasement, and they're absolute gold. Pure old skool, be sure to check the tracks out: clicky!

 

 

Edited August 20, 2009 by gamesguru

[wjf]

Biggie is a top 20 mc now? Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit, He was the King of f*cking New York.

[Flesh-n-Bone]

Who made him the king of the city? Sure he was the big name but both him and 2pac got all the attention they have and the credit they get after they died...

 

50 Cent calls himself 'King of NY' and some actually believe it, does that mean that he's in a top 50 or 100?

 

Lil Wayne also calls himself 'best rapper alive' and a bunch of people blindly follow his word. I don't care what anyone says, no matter how good he has been at his best, he still doesn't deserve being called that and even the fans of his that like his "real" stuff wouldn't say he's 'the best rapper alive'.

[ObsydianRaven]

Forgive me for being off topic, but I want to talk about how pissed off I am about ICP. I mean, I can't belive I listened to that piece of sh*t sampler. ICP used to actually sound like hip hop, now they sound like a sh*tty mix of hip hop and rock/metal. They also used to be wicked and hardcore IMO. When I first started to listen to them back in early 2007, I listened to their first four albums (Carnival of Carnage, Ringmaster, Riddlebox and Great Milenko) and I thought they were good, then I listened to their Amazing Jeckel Brothers album and I thought, "This is, okay, I guess", same with Bizzar/Bizaar. Then I listened one of the songs from their The Wraith: Shangri-La album, Homies, and I thought, "WTF? Is this really ICP rapping and singing?", so I decided to listen to some of the other songs on the The Wraith: Shangri-La and all of them were dreadful. So afterwards I thought, "Oh, I guess it was just one bad album". So I decided to listen to some songs from their Hell's Pit and The Tempest albums, and after listening to those dreadful albums, I had a look on my face like this,

So I decided try to listen to some of the other artist at Phsychopathic Records and you know what, they all f*cking sucked! So I decided to refuse to listen to any new stuff from ICP and when I heard that they were making a new album, I decided to give them one more chance, then I listened to the sampler and then I realized, they suck now, there no longer the wicked clowns they used to be, I hate their new rock/metal rap style and they're sell outs. I'd rather have listen to MC Chris's annoying ass, high pitched voice blasting in my ear than listen to f*cking Homies or f*cking Yellow Bus.

 

But you know, I could feel like this was going to happen when I read this on Wikipedia,

 

Bang! Pow! Boom! was recorded in six months. In order to ensure the quality of his vocal recordings, Bruce did not smoke cannabis while recording, and drank hot tea before each take.According to Bruce, the goal was to produce an album that was "very much a part of the Dark Carnival, without it being the seventh Joker's Card". Bruce listened to music by the psychedelic rock band Gong for inspiration. Confirmed tracks include "The Bone", which will feature surf rock-influenced guitars,"I Found a Body", a comedic track featuring lyrics similar to the plot of Weekend at Bernie's,and "Chop Chop Slide", inspired by the "Cha Cha Slide".

 

I feel so sick right now from reading that.

Edited August 20, 2009 by sethpenguin

[OH NO]

 

He is good but overrated.

 

biggie is good yeah but i agree that he is overrated

 

I think that too

 

Thats a f*cking joke right?

 

On the real, this thread is so far f*cking gone. I can't even f*cking stand it anymore.

 

I mean now we got hoes slamming f*cking Biggie Smalls.

 

Haha f*ck I know. people talking bullsh*t all over the internet though. I swear im almost done with even following anything anyone else says about hip hop on the net. hip hop forums full of shock rick ross >> biggie threads and people acting smart by trying to formulate a top 10 list when they been listening to hip hop for like 5 mins. And i got nothing against ross just sayin.

 

i put it down to so many people/youngins having so much access to downloaded music, and seeing so many conversations going on about hip hop that they force themselves to have certain opinions on artists.

 

the only thing you could aim at BIG is maybe he didnt live all that that he rapped about, buT you could aim that at f*ckin numerous artists, and also he might have led hip hop into a more "pop" type era (with the help of puffy) but thats debatable anyway. His skills on the mic are unquestionable.

 

 

 

My favorite Biggie song is "Ten Crack Commandments". His skills are simply above what he showed in other songs there

 

No they arent. You are talking absolute bullsh*t as usual. It a great concept and great track but he excels on numerous other tracks that I really cant be f*cked mentioning. and you got LL top ten, longevity? lol just lol.

 

 

 

Who made him the king of the city? Sure he was the big name but both him and 2pac got all the attention they have and the credit they get after they died

 

f*ck are you talking about. so no one was talking about them when they were alive?

 

 

 

biggie is good yeah but i agree that he is overrated

 

 

 

 

And yeah, Biggie is pretty good. Not THAT good really

 

yeah, whys that then?

 

utter nonsense. people need to smoke more or summin. Itll make you enjoy hip hop more and stop the need of creating bullsh*t opinions every 5 mins. Plus smokin weed is cool.

 

damn i typed that quick. Must have hit a nerve. Also lol at that guy who just found out ICP are wack.

 

 

[Scifen]

 

Can anyone reccomend to me some ungerground hip hop thats current(as in artists still makin good tracks)

Asheru

 

 

 

I'm just saying, listen to whatever you want. I just find it hard to go out and slam some artists out there that work hard at what they do. Even if it is some lame ass f*ckin lyrics over a fruity loop beat. Don't get me wrong, there was a point in my life where I hated rap/hip-hop and was all about my classic rock and rock in general. But I expanded my taste in music.

 

And i'v listened to all the underground, I'v listened to all the Jedi Mind Tricks, the Atmosphere, the Big Daddy Kane, KRSone and boogy dowwn productions.

 

It's like I can't get into Big Daddy Kane or Kool G Rap anymore.

They have nothing else to offer me, I have this thirst to listen to more and more music and for some reason it can't be quenched.

 

That... and I like f*cking sneakers.

 

 

[Flesh-n-Bone]

 

No they arent. You are talking absolute bullsh*t as usual. It a great concept and great track but he excels on numerous other tracks that I really cant be f*cked mentioning. and you got LL top ten, longevity? lol just lol.

 

 

f*ck are you talking about. so no one was talking about them when they were alive?

 

 

Ever heard of opinions? I might say this because I just love the beat so much and the concept is great too, his skills on the mic are indeed unquestionable, maybe I went too far saying this was his 'only' track above his other stuff since pretty much everything in Ready to Die is good. Remember, overrated doesn't mean he is sh*t. About LL, it was just a random choice, I rather wanted to include someone who has more than just two albums (no disrespecting the likes of Biggie or Big L who didn't have the chance to show off their skills.)

I would put Kool Moe Dee above LL but sadly KMD's career went down the drain after Funke Funke Wisdom even though I liked that album. Also three classics... (Radio, Bigger and Deffer & Mama Said Knock You Out), not enough?

 

For the second part of your post, replace "all" with "most" and it is correct there. And I'm mainly talking about people who have nothing else to say other than "#1 Pac #2 Big, period." You know I have all the respect Pac & BIG both should get, but it's annoying with everybody's tops being them and the rest of their list... nothing.

 

To be honest, if I'm ever being harsh on BIG, it's because one of my friends is overrating him too damn much. I just get tired of him being all "Biggie this, Biggie that". He thinks BIG invented rhyming in hip hop... that says a lot.

 

Plus one of his favorite Biggie lines is "Do something to us, talk go through us, girls walk to us, wanna do us, screw us, who us? yeah, poppa and puff" claiming everything rhymes, ha.. anyone can use the same word at the end of every sentence.

 

And, you are just overacting, I might give Biggie less credit than what he deserves currently but you act like your opinions are facts and automatically right and everyone else is wrong. Citing the amount of minutes/days/weeks/years you've been listening as an excuse...

Edited August 20, 2009 by Flesh-n-Bone

[OH NO]

I didnt say a thing about my own length of time listening to hip hop, just that people choose to talk a lot after only listening for a brief period.

 

 

and one of your reasons for disliking big is that your friend rates him (albeit too highly in your opinion)? i mean, it seems like youre pushing to create informed opinions, why would you go and do that? Defeats the object.

 

 

 

Plus one of his favorite Biggie lines is "Do something to us, talk go through us, girls walk to us, wanna do us, screw us, who us? yeah, poppa and puff" claiming everything rhymes, ha.. anyone can use the same word at the end of every sentence.

 

yeah but thats a fairly ordinary, throwaway line anyway, so whats your point? you just acted like you proved something. who were you even arguing with there?

 

look, the "opinions" I put in my post are facts, namely LL fell off mid 90s and has been dreadful since, BIG had better lyricism (or at a push equal to) tracks like 10 crack commandments (dont get me wrong its a great track but he was pretty much constrained by the concept), and that he was Ill on the mic. thats all i said

 

oh and f*ck a top 10 list.

 

 

UK UK

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[gamesguru]

I don't thinks it's necessary to have these top 10 lists, it defeats the purpose of what Hip-Hop/Rap is. Sure there is a certain line between good, great, bad, and terrible; but within such degrees MCs have their own perks and styles that make them unique and different to others.

 

Not only that, I've been listening to hip-hop for two years (when I started to rap and aspire to become a rapper) and there are still many rappers I need to listen to. I mainly listen to modern underground rap as that's my preference. But I still need to listen to the likes of Big Daddy Kane, KRS-One, Big Pun, Sean Price, etc.

 

But from MCs I have listened to, I do have list of favourites, but I deter from putting them in any order of preference in any form: The Game, Eminem, Method Man, Reakwon, Aesop Rock, Andre 3000, The Cool Kids, Tupac, Immortal Technique, Redman, WC, Mos Def, Rakim. These are probably those of who I listen to the most, and enjoy listening to. Make of that what you want.

 

Breaking from the big debate, just came across this crazy Eminem freestyle on the Tube:

 

 

Oh and sethpenguin, you still have yet to hit me up with the Facebook link to that song I wrote a guest verse for.