Otter 7,936 Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 God never created us, one thing did... Evolution. I think it's pretty hard to believe that God created us all, because how? How did he do it? Use tools? I do not think so. Come on, man, he's GOD. I'm sure God owns an atom smasher. Link to post Share on other sites
SeaNorris. 2 Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 God never created us, one thing did... Evolution. I think it's pretty hard to believe that God created us all, because how? How did he do it? Use tools? I do not think so. Come on, man, he's GOD. I'm sure God owns an atom smasher. And a HDTV. Link to post Share on other sites
Mister Zero 0 Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 God never created us, one thing did... Evolution. I think it's pretty hard to believe that God created us all, because how? How did he do it? Use tools? I do not think so. Come on, man, he's GOD. I'm sure God owns an atom smasher. And a HDTV. And GTA 4. Why do you think we humans are getting it in October? It takes a good few months to complete, even for God! This is one of those subjects, and it's like someone expressing their disbelief at someone who doesn't like cheese and they do. It's all about culture, environment and family. If you were brought up in a religious family, you also are going to be religious (well, 90% of the time). If you can't believe the fact not everyone believes in God, maybe you shouldn't either. Maybe God would want it that way, so he can teach us non believers when we reach him. If we reach him, as we know NOTHING about the afterlife. There's nothing concrete at all about religion. I will believe what I want to believe and if that makes me a sinner, or a heathen, I'll see those who also don't believe in hell. Link to post Share on other sites
Greene 2 Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 I don't like people like you.You've got a belief and you insist on pushing it on others. I'm Roman Catholic and I have a very strong belief in God but I really hate people who try to "convert" other people to their way of thinking. If someone doesn't share your beliefs then it's none of your goddamn business. Stick to your own beliefs and let other people have theirs. It's f*cking ridiculous. You're not a very good Roman Catholic if you're breaking one of the ten commandments, are you? "You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain, for the LORD will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain" (Deuteronomy 5:11) I never said I was a good Catholic. I've got a strong belief in God but hell, I break Catholic rules all the time. I don't think this makes me a bad person. Unlike many Catholics, I don't think of God as some vengeful bastard who smythes you if you break his rules. But that's my personal beliefs. This is also way offtopic. Link to post Share on other sites
MadeInThe80s 0 Posted March 7, 2007 Author Share Posted March 7, 2007 Ignorance like that is what will f*ck you up in the end, really. I'm not really one to talk myself so apologies since I've probably done way worse sh*t than you but when I think of a Godless society, I don't think of a utopia... I think I'll probably be shafted by society and slaughtered. God gives me faith, I'm going to share this with you, last night I didn't get any sleep at all, for the past year I've been having attacks - sleep paralysis, but more than any normal person... I had it last night probably like 2-3 times in a row, sequence after sequence of dreadful nightmares and visions, I saw the most horrible sh*t and I just want it to end. I've been to a neurologist and took some pills, they work, they put me to sleep but they haven't cured anything... I think the problem stems much deeper than that, my soul it's at war. What I see will literally make your balls drop off and I get it in about a monthly basis. I'm not here to push anything on people, forgive me if I came off like that in my first few posts but if you really wanted to know the truth, when you really don't know anything why do most of you disregard the bible as babble? It seems to me the Devil has clearly taken your thoughts and is toying with your ass. I've been f*cked up worse, I've probably had the most the Godless life out of everyone of you in this thread yet I still believe and have faith because when I look deeper into sh*t and I don't mean just using your brain and your intelligence, I mean using that being inside of you... Your spirit, your soul, that feeling you get when you do something wrong, the feeling of guilt you get when you whack off to some bimbo sucking 93 cocks on your favourite porn site, that thing you can't explain but you know deep down somewhere inside of you it exists, I know there's something more out there and I feel that it's more than a damn big f*cking-sucking-doodle-doo explosion of gas and cloud. Link to post Share on other sites
Otter 7,936 Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 Ah, so you're crazy. This explains everything. Link to post Share on other sites
MadeInThe80s 0 Posted March 7, 2007 Author Share Posted March 7, 2007 I'm probably the most sanest motherf*cker around. Link to post Share on other sites
Otter 7,936 Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 Sorry - I missed this - you're guilty after masturbating? No wonder you're crazy. God wouldn't have created loose women if he didn't want you to enjoy 'em. Link to post Share on other sites
MadeInThe80s 0 Posted March 7, 2007 Author Share Posted March 7, 2007 How much more did you miss? Women > Choices > Loose pussy. God didn't create that yo, he gave us, if you ever read up on anything, free will. Link to post Share on other sites
Otter 7,936 Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 Ahh. So then acting on your - god given - free will is bad, if you use it for sexual gratification? Edit - by loose women, I meant women of loose moral standards, not the tensile strenth of their vagina. Link to post Share on other sites
Svip 4,367 Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 Ahh. So then acting on your - god given - free will is bad, if you use it for sexual gratification? Edit - by loose women, I meant women of loose moral standards, not the tensile strenth of their vagina. Otter. His sanity powers are beyond our control! The entire dispute of God is a long dispute. And your topic is asking one simple question, "how can people not believe in God?" The question implies that it would be impossible not to believe in God, and assumes those who say they don't, actually believes in God, because they cannot not believe in God. Therefore we don't have the free will to actually consider wither or not we believe in God, we only have the free will to lie or not to lie to others. So your entire opening of argument collapses the very idea of free will. If God created us, he would probably not have given us free will. Because we already know (according to the Bible) that God don't like when mankind doesn't believe in him (Noah's Arc in question). To add to that, the entire concept of getting two of each animal would require an enormous ship, Noah would not have been able to construct this. Okay, then let's dismiss this part of the Bible, because it represents God as an unjust being and gives a human superhuman powers which seems highly impossible. There are of course many of these areas of the Bible which we could be without. And perhaps some Christians don't believe in all parts of the Bible. But if some parts are questionable or even downright lies, how can we trust the book as a whole? We can't. Therefore the Bible as an argument for the existence of God is questionable, and cannot be used in sane arguments. But then again, when have sanity and religion walked hand in hand? Of course, you are justifying God by the reason that you feel him. You feel his presences, and thus he must be real. But couldn't it be something different? The only reason you think it is God, is because you know the definition of the term God. Imagine if you had never heard of God, never of Christianity or any other religion, how would you then explain this feeling? With the concept of God? Or is it only because your human mind is inferior and its only "logical" outcome is some being beyond you? Who knows? I don't, cause I don't get myself on about how sane religious people are. If it wasn't for God, we would be colonising Mars by now. Link to post Share on other sites
Otter 7,936 Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 Well, perhaps what he "feels" inside him is the side effect of his night-terror medication. Dianetics has nothing on modern medicine. Link to post Share on other sites
Svip 4,367 Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 Well, perhaps what he "feels" inside him is the side effect of his night-terror medication. Dianetics has nothing on modern medicine. Perhaps in the future religion will be considered a mental decease and medicine will be developed to cure it. Link to post Share on other sites
MadeInThe80s 0 Posted March 8, 2007 Author Share Posted March 8, 2007 (edited) Just to add, Svip do you think "logic" and "science" are the end all answer to everything in life? Then how come it can't explain the afterlife without looking so unlogical? How a tonne of people who have experience NDE have all witnessed shared events such as a white light or a dark place with "creatures"? Edited March 8, 2007 by MadeInThe80s Link to post Share on other sites
MadeInThe80s 0 Posted March 8, 2007 Author Share Posted March 8, 2007 Here's a link to a well-known Athiest who became a Christian after a NDE. This isn't saying that I believe it's 100% factual but reading into it, it's pretty interesting. Hopefully I can get more people getting into it. http://www.visionsofjesuschrist.com/weeping322.htm Link to post Share on other sites
Craig Kostelecky 435 Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 Just to add, Svip do you think "logic" and "science" are the end all answer to everything in life? Then how come it can't explain the afterlife without looking so unlogical? How a tonne of people who have experience NDE have all witnessed shared events such as a white light or a dark place with "creatures"? Perhaps the reason science and logic can't explain an afterlife is because there is no afterlife. I know that's a pretty sh*tty thing to think, but it's most likely true. In fact the idea of Heaven is the reason I believe religion is still around. It's a wonderful thing to hope for. It gives everybody the hope of immortality. But just because you want something to be true isn't a reason to believe in it. Sure I would love to see my mom again after I die, but I just don't think that will happen. So when she died, I made my peace with everything. I accepted the fact that she's gone. Also near death experiences have been explained as ultra intense dreams (basically). The mind creates an image and the brain sees it. And since there are countless stories of seeing bright lights (or the other clichés) then the brain has that image stored in its memory before that near death experience ever happens. Perhaps they're just imagining what they subconsciously think they should. Link to post Share on other sites
MadeInThe80s 0 Posted March 8, 2007 Author Share Posted March 8, 2007 That's so illogical so what you're saying that the some people who died, they're still dreaming? Long after they're heart has stopped beating? The conscious can't work if the body is dead. Link to post Share on other sites
Kaj. 16 Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 That's so illogical so what you're saying that the some people who died, they're still dreaming? Long after they're heart has stopped beating? The conscious can't work if the body is dead. He's talking about near death experiences. Link to post Share on other sites
MadeInThe80s 0 Posted March 8, 2007 Author Share Posted March 8, 2007 You do know some NDE actually involve death? Link to post Share on other sites
K^2 2,145 Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 Perhaps in the future religion will be considered a mental decease and medicine will be developed to cure it. It's clearly a virus. It evolves to make use of most vulnerabilities of human psyche, and uses humans to self-replicate. Just like any information virus, it has to be fought with information, and prevention is the key. Too bad that anything that is truly effective against a religion is bound to evolve into another religion. Here's a link to a well-known Athiest who became a Christian after a NDE. Atheism is also a religion, so conversion from one religion to another isn't particularly surprising. I bet you can find a dozen of links to articles about prominent Christians becoming Atheists after emotional experiences, in particular, some form of a loss. Link to post Share on other sites
MadeInThe80s 0 Posted March 8, 2007 Author Share Posted March 8, 2007 Perhaps in the future religion will be considered a mental decease and medicine will be developed to cure it. It's clearly a virus. It evolves to make use of most vulnerabilities of human psyche, and uses humans to self-replicate. Just like any information virus, it has to be fought with information, and prevention is the key. Too bad that anything that is truly effective against a religion is bound to evolve into another religion. That is unbelievably f*cked up. Link to post Share on other sites
Otter 7,936 Posted March 9, 2007 Share Posted March 9, 2007 Perhaps in the future religion will be considered a mental decease and medicine will be developed to cure it. It's clearly a virus. It evolves to make use of most vulnerabilities of human psyche, and uses humans to self-replicate. Just like any information virus, it has to be fought with information, and prevention is the key. Too bad that anything that is truly effective against a religion is bound to evolve into another religion. That is unbelievably f*cked up. The truth, aye, she's a fickle bitch. Your mind does not stop working when your heart stops pumping. In fact, to be clinically dead is not to be brain dead. My father, who is on borrowed time, has been clinically dead twice. No Light in a tunnel, just darkness. He said coming back to life was a real trip, though. Link to post Share on other sites
Freakorama 586 Posted March 9, 2007 Share Posted March 9, 2007 (edited) That is unbelievably f*cked up. have you noticed, nobody here has agreed with you majority rules, god is a fictional character all religion does is take the fun out of life by making you talk about this idiot from a book before you can even touch your food, and waste hour of the weekend listening to a dick head talk about a fictional book so this is just one big f*cking book club that zillions of people take way to seriously religion cant even get its own real lisanced games, they gotta break the law to make them isn't breaking the law a sin? Edited March 9, 2007 by Futurama_Freak1 Link to post Share on other sites
MadeInThe80s 0 Posted March 9, 2007 Author Share Posted March 9, 2007 That is unbelievably f*cked up. have you noticed, nobody here has agreed with you majority rules, god is a fictional character all religion does is take the fun out of life by making you talk about this idiot from a book before you can even touch your food, and waste hour of the weekend listening to a dick head talk about a fictional book so this is just one big f*cking book club that zillions of people take way to seriously religion cant even get its own real lisanced games, they gotta break the law to make them isn't breaking the law a sin? I'm gonna really pray for you if you believe that. I mean especially if you're so sure about the afterlife yet you can't even form proper sentences and spell licensed right Link to post Share on other sites
Cypress Hill 0 Posted March 9, 2007 Share Posted March 9, 2007 That is unbelievably f*cked up. have you noticed, nobody here has agreed with you majority rules, god is a fictional character Majority rules? According to the majority, we lived in a geocentric universe a thousand years ago, the earth was flat 600 years ago, and Al Gore was the 43rd president of the US. I don't think so. Why is it that everyone seems to equate "god" with the image of god created by religion? Religions are moronic in their attempts to create images of god because most religous people are only smart enough to comprehend very simple portrayals of a supreme being. Religions typically personify god, by giving it human qualities and emotions. This is illogical, because an omniscient, omnipotent supreme being would be far beyond our inferior human emotions. Just because the bible's or the torah's or the koran's versions of a supreme being are wrong doesn't mean the a supreme being doesn't exist in another form. Personally, I think that there probably is some sort of supreme being or "higher authority" in existence because, from my experience in life, where there are rules, there are authorities. People, or other creatures, typically don't just do things for no reason. There are rules and consequences that determine the actions of people. Because we have universal rules and laws, like gravity, that govern our existence, it might make sense that there is some supreme governing force. I would go further into this, but I'm tired right now, so I'm going to sleep. Link to post Share on other sites
MadeInThe80s 0 Posted March 9, 2007 Author Share Posted March 9, 2007 What were given in the bible is the absolute truth about God, that's it. I'd be hypocrite to say different if I didn't have 100% faith in the bible. Link to post Share on other sites
Svip 4,367 Posted March 9, 2007 Share Posted March 9, 2007 What were given in the bible is the absolute truth about God, that's it. I'd be hypocrite to say different if I didn't have 100% faith in the bible. Yes, but why does the Bible contradict it self? If it is the absolute truth. Link to post Share on other sites
Cypress Hill 0 Posted March 9, 2007 Share Posted March 9, 2007 What were given in the bible is the absolute truth about God, that's it. I'd be hypocrite to say different if I didn't have 100% faith in the bible. I've never understood how literalists can say that they think the bible totally historically and scientifically correct. From my Catholic upbringing, mainly from high school theology class, I've learned that Catholic doctrine says the bible isn't supposed to be a history book and therefore isn't historically accurate. The bible is suppoesed to be largely, or mostly metaphoric. I know that most protestants would disagree though. Either way, I don't like Catholicism either, because the church is extremely hypocritical. Today they say that genocide is bad, but over the past thousand years the church has taken part in the genocide of muslims and jews. Some people may say that back in the day when the church did these things there were different circumstances, but according to the church, morality is constant and doesn't change over time, so what is immoral today was immoral always. This disproves the church's claims that it is infallible and always right. IMO, even the concept of organized religion is flawed, because, supposing there is a god, how could anyone expect infinitely intellectually inferior humans to understand or convey messages from an all-powerful, all-knowing god. That would be like explaining the theory of relativity to an orangutan and expecting it to not only understand it, but accurately explain it to the rest of the orangutan population. It's just not probable. Link to post Share on other sites
Tom Toole 0 Posted March 9, 2007 Share Posted March 9, 2007 I personally believe that if you treat something as true, you find the truth in it. If you treat something as deserving of your trust, it will be. I find many of the things of the bible very deep, very true, very insightful or what have you. "Do not give pearls unto swine" "Do unto others as you would have done unto yourself" "love all men as you love yourself" IMO, even the concept of organized religion is flawed, because, supposing there is a god, how could anyone expect infinitely intellectually inferior humans to understand or convey messages from an all-powerful, all-knowing god. That would be like explaining the theory of relativity to an orangutan and expecting it to not only understand it, but accurately explain it to the rest of the orangutan population. It's just not probable. Understanding is important, but there is more to life than understanding, nobody understands everything (unless they are "god"). Link to post Share on other sites
MadeInThe80s 0 Posted March 10, 2007 Author Share Posted March 10, 2007 What were given in the bible is the absolute truth about God, that's it. I'd be hypocrite to say different if I didn't have 100% faith in the bible. Yes, but why does the Bible contradict it self? If it is the absolute truth. There never has been a legitimate, true contradiction in the bible that has ever been found, you do know that right? Link to post Share on other sites
