No SIXAXIS and limited BC for all PAL PS3's

[Rob.]

 

London (England) - In an effort to scale back the prohibitive cost of the PS3, Sony Computer Entertainment Europe (SCEE) is removing a couple features for the official launch next month. Hardware cut-backs will result in the removal of motion sensitive technology and will limit the backward compatibility of the system.

 

According to a press release issued today, the PS3 model that will be used for the launch in Europe, Africa, the Middle East, and Australia, will be backward compatible with a "broad range of original PlayStation (PS) titles and a limited range of PlayStation 2 (PS2) titles."

 

 

The PS3 launch, which was originally planned to be worldwide, was pushed back for regions that use PAL encoding. The US and Japan use a different format known as NTSC.

 

In the NTSC versions, which debuted last November, it was reported that there was essentially a PS2 embedded into every PS3 console to maximize the compatibility with back-system titles. SCEE says it will continue to update the firmware for PAL consoles to add compatibility with PS2 titles. This is similar to what Microsoft has been doing with the compatibility of Xbox games on the Xbox 360.

 

The debut of the PS3 in PAL regions is scheduled for March 23. The price for most of the area is about 599 euros ($788).

 

Way to go Sony.

All that motion innovation sure payed off.

Source

 

Still yet to be fully confirmed though.

Edited February 24, 2007 by Rob.

[Stuch]

Whatever small chance there was of me buying one, just went out the window. Congratulations Sony.

[TheDude5000]

Wow. And stupid Sony fanboys wonder why people hate them so much. It's pathetic how people can worship them when they pull crap like this.

 

They delayed it, raised the price, and now they've downgraded it.

 

Way to go.

[Vanillainy]

Oh what the f*ck, i've preordered one aswell, so that means it might not have the sixaxis thingamadoo?

 

f*cking sony.

[Kippers]

lol funks, that sucks

 

f*ck the PS3, was never going to get one in the first place. If i want a console that's cheap, has motion sensing and plenty of fun games i'll go for the Wii anyday over the PS3.

[Exkabewbikadid]

 

They delayed it, raised the price, and now they've downgraded it.

It doesn't get much more f*cked up than that... actually it does once you've factored in Sony's condescending approach to consumers when addressing such matters.

 

Everyone has lost rumble and force feedback thanks to sixaxis. Does this mean PAL users get shafted yet again with no sixaxis or rumble? If so, they're left with what is essentially a downgraded PS2 controller. How faggishly uncool is that if this is true?

 

 

[Vanillainy]

Everyone has lost rumble and force feedback thanks to sixaxis. Does this mean PAL users get shafted yet again with no sixaxis or rumble? If so, they're left with what is essentially a downgraded PS2 controller. How faggishly uncool is that if this is true?

Now youve put it that way, it sounds even worse. No rumble or sixaxis. The controller will feel cheap and nasty.

[Grandthefter]

I read about teh limited BC, but i think the no sixaxis thing is BS tbh, until there's a deffinite source then i wont believe to the missing motion sense

[sainraja]

No SixAxis is BS. People who aren't interested in the PS3 are the only ones buying into it. Sony's official press release only talks about the backwards compatibility. I know fanboys of the other system will have a field day with the no motion axis stuff. Flow is a downloadable game that will be available on day one which uses Motion controls and can't be played any other way.

 

Also can we just have one topic about this? It's already being discussed in th PS3 topic, was this needed?

 

Here is the press release:

http://www.scee.presscentre.com/Content/De...31&NewsAreaID=2

Edited February 24, 2007 by sainraja

[Vanillainy]

Oh, thats awesome then. Not too fussed about BC as i wouldn't really be playing old games with it.

[iRloading]

hmm... they could have at least slapped on some rumble innit

 

all you get is a wireless psone controller with NO rumble

 

removing certain "abilities" from another console version will/might leave it gimped compared to it's bretheren

 

although I see motion sensing gaming a novelty~ ain't exactly fair to the PAL users who expect the same banana after waiting for quite a bit

[Digïtál £vîl]

USA USA USA

 

 

Sorry. Just had to do that. If they arent going to give you what you want, show them you don't want it by not buying it.

[VideoPoker]

Err, I don't know where Tom's Hardware gets its information, but I haven't read anything on this "no motion sensing" thing.

 

Like what that sainraja guy posted:

 

Press Release: Sony Computer Entertainment Europe Announces Hardware Specification of PLAYSTATION®3 for Europe

 

I didn't read anything about it in there, and I assume they would mention something as drastic as that.

 

 

On to the backwards compatibility thing, I believe they are removing the PS2 hardware that did the hardware emulation and are now switching to software emulation (basically now the PS3 chips are emulating the PS2 games, whereas the NA and Japanese PS3's have PS2 chips in the system emulating PS2 games). I also think this can be fixed and refined via firmware updates, whether Sony chooses to do that or not, I don't know.

[Just Phil]

That's crap..

Are they still gonna release those downloadable update thingys that supposedly improve BC though?

Either way i'm not impressed at all..

[sainraja]

Motion sensing is not being REMOVED for the last time.

[Stuch]

Ahh, yeah, it seems your right. Motion sensing stays. Atleast the cut-backs aren't as drastic as first thought. But we're still paying more than the yanks or japenese have to pay!

[jking]

if people would stop bitching about the price of it then they wouldnt have to make cut backs!!

[_-playero-_]

lol

 

Good thing I'm NTSC.

 

Not that I really care anyways, but we still have to wait for a real source.

 

Hmmm, if only they added vibration back.

Edited February 25, 2007 by _-playero-_

[SWEETSAPRIK]

Meh, not sure I'm buying it from that source alone. Though to be honest, I hope it turns out to be true.

 

I turned off vibration on any game I could, the ones where you didn't even have the option of disabling it pissed me off. Sixaxis seems gimmicky to me, I could care less about it. I certainly hope they don't work it into games I actually do want to play without the option of turning it off. Other than once with each game to see if it worked, I never actually played any PS1 games on PS2 and I doubt I'll be playing any PS2 games on PS3.

 

Again, I'd need to see it from other sources before I even believed it. But even if it was true, I'd be happy to lose all those features I could care less about (and a few others I don't like and won't ever use) in exchange for even a minor price drop.

 

I'm sure not everyone feels that way though, so I hope that anyone who does want any of those features doesn't have to do without them. I guess we'll see when this is officially confirmed or denied.

[SIP YEK NOD]

Motion sensing is not being REMOVED for the last time.

Listen to this guy, he works there!

 

 

but seriously, the no-tilt thing is a rumor, and a bad one at that considering there are games that "require" it. like that geo-wars clone there.

[Pat]

It's amazing Sainjara claims not to be a fanboy. That's the biggest lie of 2006/2007.

 

Personally, I hope it doesn't have Sixaxis. No, I'm not saying that because I live in the US, I'm saying it because if it doesn't Sony will surely see a drop in sales, which will lead to them realizing how increadibly stupid they were to charge $600 for it. If it has Sixaxis, then that's cool with me. I have alot of friends in Europe and Australia.

 

Sainjara for Vice President of Sony.

[sainraja]

 

It's amazing Sainjara claims not to be a fanboy. That's the biggest lie of 2006/2007.

 

Personally, I hope it doesn't have Sixaxis. No, I'm not saying that because I live in the US, I'm saying it because if it doesn't Sony will surely see a drop in sales, which will lead to them realizing how increadibly stupid they were to charge $600 for it. If it has Sixaxis, then that's cool with me. I have alot of friends in Europe and Australia.

 

Sainjara for Vice President of Sony.

Isn't it amazing? I guess if I hate on Sony just like you and the majority do I can be considered a non-fanboy! Please....I have pretty much all the systems (yes even the 360) minus the Wii. I have no problem with other companies like some of you do. Ofcourse that does not necessarily cancel out the fanboyism but who is to say you're not one? Gimme a break.

Edited February 25, 2007 by sainraja

[Pat]

You're asking how one can't call me a fanboy? Maybe it's the fact I haven't supported any console in all the posts I've made on GTAF, like someone. Maybe you wouldn't seem like so much of a fanboy if.. Well.. Read above.

 

You don't HAVE to hate on Sony, just don't support them so god damn much. They aren't God, if you didn't notice. If you support Sony in your next post, you'll always be a fanboy in my eyes. If you make just ONE POST, where you don't support them, I'll believe you that you aren't a Sony fanboy.

[Cran.]

If this is true.. sony is going to have some major problems.

[sainraja]

 

You're asking how one can't call me a fanboy? Maybe it's the fact I haven't supported any console in all the posts I've made on GTAF, like someone. Maybe you wouldn't seem like so much of a fanboy if.. Well.. Read above.

 

You don't HAVE to hate on Sony, just don't support them so god damn much. They aren't God, if you didn't notice. If you support Sony in your next post, you'll always be a fanboy in my eyes. If you make just ONE POST, where you don't support them, I'll believe you that you aren't a Sony fanboy.

It doesn't matter to me if you consider me a fanboy because everyone is one, some will admit it, some won't. I wouldn't have a 360 if I was a fanboy by your definition. Everyone has preferences, everyone will prefer something over the other. You do too, you just won't admit. It doesn't matter. Fanboy or not, what you say does not necessarily hold more credibility over what I say or anyone else for that matter.

 

Yes, I do defend Sony quite often and you see that as "fanboyism." Ofcourse, it's easier to ignore me by labeling me as that. It doesn't matter to me that much at this point.

 

Look at you for example, you would love to see Sony fail. After that statement, I don't know how you can claim yourself to be not a fanboy. You may not like the features the PS3 has, you may not like Blu-ray or whatever but what makes you think others think the same as you? There are just as many people who think Blu-ray is required for the PS3 as there are people that don't. What makes your opinion so much better compared to theirs?

 

All I did was posted a link to the actual press release which proved the no motion sensing claim as false, you seem disappointed. I guess you wanted to believe that.

Edited February 25, 2007 by sainraja

[SIP YEK NOD]

All I did was posted a link to the actual press release which proved the no motion sensing claim as false, you seem disappointed. I guess you wanted to believe that.

you posted a link proving half of the rumor right, not half of the rumor wrong. there is still a slim chance the other half could be right. them not saying it doesn't mean its false.

[TheDude5000]

You're a f*cking fanboy. And I don't remember attacking Sony, just observing the sh*tty business moves they made. I never said they sucked, and I plan on getting a PS3. It is possible to have interest in Sony's products without worshipping them. But you can't stop kissing their asses, and it's disturbing. You went into the 360 topic just to talk about the PS3.

 

 

Makes people wonder.

 

 

[Exkabewbikadid]

It is possible to have interest in Sony's products without worshipping them.

This is the truth. We can't very well hate the PS3 can we? It's a lump of plastic and electronics for f*cks sake! I for one recognize that the PS3 holds great potential given it's technology. My qualms are with the assholes running the show. It's quite obvious Sony has f*cked up badly given that they are averaging over a 200 USD loss per PS3 sold, and as a result, they are looking to do just about whatever it takes to close that gap, such as raising the price on the EU and cutting manufacturing corners even if it means less features.

 

I'm not about to express the least bit of sympathy, loyalty or defense on Sony's behalf. I am the consumer and therefore Sony should be the ones sucking my dick and kissing my ass, not the other way around. They want my (read: all potential consumer's) money, then they're going to have to suck my dick alot harder before I ejaculate $600. Simple as that.

[sainraja]

 

All I did was posted a link to the actual press release which proved the no motion sensing claim as false, you seem disappointed. I guess you wanted to believe that.

you posted a link proving half of the rumor right, not half of the rumor wrong. there is still a slim chance the other half could be right. them not saying it doesn't mean its false.

I said the link I posted proved that motion sensing is not being removed. Tomshardware made a mistake and you guys want to believe it is true. If there was a slight chance of it not being true, Tomshardware wouldn't be the only one covering it. The only place you see the link to tomshardware article is on their site and a few forums. It's limited backwards compatibility and we don't even know how much it is limited as of yet. Sony said they would use emulation when it's ready. It's not news, it's something we knew was going to happen, why is being made such a big deal? Yeah, because sites love negative stories. Sony has been the leader the past two generations which is why Xbox fans are enjoying every negative story they hear about Sony. It shouldn't surprise me but I'll speak out for Sony if I see that happening.

 

If someone was genuinely disappointed by hearing the removal of sixaxis they would have been relieved once I posted the official press release which mentions no such thing but instead some of you seem disappointed to hear that.

 

 

And I don't remember attacking Sony, just observing the sh*tty business moves they made. I never said they sucked, and I plan on getting a PS3. It is possible to have interest in Sony's products without worshipping them. But you can't stop kissing their asses, and it's disturbing. You went into the 360 topic just to talk about the PS3.

 

You are talking as if I was responding to you a few posts above. Is your screen name EmoPat? There is a difference between criticizing Sony for the mistakes they have made and bashing Sony every chance you get. There are better ways of expressing what you are disappointed with compared to the way some of you do it. Microsoft has made some mistakes and corrected those mistakes. They had a year to do that, give Sony the same amount of time. If you were actually criticizing for the right reasons you wouldn't need to say it so often.

 

 

You're a f*cking fanboy.

 

Just as much as you are.

 

Let me say this now before some of you act surprised by it when it happens......emulation will be provided in North America and Japan with newer units. Older units will receive it through firmware.

Edited February 25, 2007 by sainraja

[Pat]

Sainraja, you have no proof I, or anyone else is a fanboy. Let me tell you what a fanboy is.

 

A person who worships a certain item, as if it was god.

 

That about sums up a fanboy, and that about sums up you. I haven't supported any console in the Gaming Chat, yet you continue to label me as a fanboy, while all your posts on GTAF are supporting Sony. I said I'd love to see Sony fail because then we might see a price drop, which would mean more people would buy it, which would make Sony succeed. See? I supported Sony in a way, I just didn't say they were the best thing ever like you do in every single one of your posts. Want to know the truth? I own a PS3, but I don't get on my hands and knees infront of it and chant "You are god. You are god.", like you probably do with yours.

 

Know what? I couldn't care less if you have a 360. You're STILL a Sony fanboy, and if you haven't noticed, everyone else agrees with me. I'm not hating on Sony, I'm hating on you. It annoys me how you can claim not to be a fanboy while half the forum says you are, and you support Sony in every single one of your posts.

 

Good day sir.