Mark Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 Here is. Well I've currently been bantering on with a few members in the Z topic about aircraft and figured...why not have an aircraft talk topic? I though vehicle chat maybe at 1st...but meh, who would check there for aircraft? Plus this place is more mainstream. Move if ya wish...just felt like making it here. Anyway, as the discussion left, the talk of the day was about the F-35...the half-assed approach of the US (and partly UK) on its current development and how it should not be a countries primary fighter due to not being capable enough for any role in particular, especially air superiority (Against new Russian and now even new Chinese fighters it will really struggle, even lose). Anyway, balls rolling. Chat about anything you want that's about planes. Any questions on planes? Hell I'm sure some of us will try to answer em. Though please no F-22 vs everything chat. That just turns into flamewars in some places I know. lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWEETSAPRIK Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 Out of curiosity, does the UK government have any military websites focusing on photos? Like an RAF version of this? Or even something more like this here? I've tried googling, but all I find is sites set up by third parties. I've pretty much raped both of those for everything I could, a new source would be much appreciated. Also, rated good. PяopagaиdaIиc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted February 23, 2007 Author Share Posted February 23, 2007 Erm....not a f*cking clue tbh. I'll have a search. It's not a big part of our military to do so. I mean, even memorial sites to old squadrons and bases are done by 3rd parties. Seems the MOD (UK's DOD) doesn't care much for funding such things. I'll have a scan. EDIT: A few here actually if you've not found these. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*MURDOC* Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 Have you ever seen that tiny car with the fold-up bolt-on wings? Its rather interesting. Not entirely practical or easy to maintain, but a neat idea nevertheless. Ill try to find some info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikeeeeey1 Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 My Favorite aircraft are the Messerschmidt Me 163 and the Messerschmidt Me 262, because they were really the first ground breaking jet aircraft, the first of it's kind. But who also can't love the P-51 Mustang? Awesome WWII Aircraft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XMike Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 How did I have a feeling a topic like this was going to be made. Anyway, like said before, planes fly. yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted February 23, 2007 Author Share Posted February 23, 2007 My Favorite aircraft are the Messerschmidt Me 163 and the Messerschmidt Me 262, because they were really the first ground breaking jet aircraft, the first of it's kind. But who also can't love the P-51 Mustang? Awesome WWII Aircraft. I'm gonna have to fight that it was the lousy British Govt that makes you think that. Turning down Sir Frank Whittles design? Narf! Mad aircraft and the Germans had some excellent ideas. I'd liked to have seen the war carry on a little longer (no nukes involved even with Germany) just to see the 1st real jet battles. Korea wasn't exactly full scale I say. And I agree...anything with a Merlin in it = win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikeeeeey1 Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 My Favorite aircraft are the Messerschmidt Me 163 and the Messerschmidt Me 262, because they were really the first ground breaking jet aircraft, the first of it's kind. But who also can't love the P-51 Mustang? Awesome WWII Aircraft. I'm gonna have to fight that it was the lousy British Govt that makes you think that. Turning down Sir Frank Whittles design? Narf! Mad aircraft and the Germans had some excellent ideas. I'd liked to have seen the war carry on a little longer (no nukes involved even with Germany) just to see the 1st real jet battles. Korea wasn't exactly full scale I say. And I agree...anything with a Merlin in it = win. Yeah, but if the war had continued and some real "Jet Powered" aircraft had taken flight and gotten into more serious combat situations, who knows what could have happend? Hell, If they had developed something really amazing, the could have invaded the U.S. or something. But most likely not, but still, think about it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWEETSAPRIK Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 EDIT: A few here actually if you've not found these. Exactly what I was looking for and couldn't find. /me bookmarks <3 the Merlin, specifically the P-51Ds and the other P-51 models that had the Merlin. PяopagaиdaIиc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted February 23, 2007 Author Share Posted February 23, 2007 Interesting history if you ask me. What-ifs in history are always good. What if Hitler didn't personally order the Luftwaffe to stop bombing RAF airfields and instead bomb cities? The RAF would've been crushed and the Nazis would've invaded Britian probably. EDIT: Good to see it's of use. I love the "Over the top" picture in the Red Arrows bit. What I'd do to be sitting there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWEETSAPRIK Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 Actually, the Germans might have done better if Hitler had made his feelings on the Me 262 clearer. He had planned on using it as a fighter-bomber before any had even been made to carry bombs, when he found this out he practically sh!t a brick. From that point on they weren't any more pure fighters, only fighter-bombers. That, the delays in producing them originally, combined with the horribly short operational lifetime of the engines as well as other factors (not enough pilots, not enough runways that could accommodate it, fuel shortages, etc.) led to it being a big mistake. Basically, clusterf*ck. They put too much of their resources into it, and didn't get enough out. Had it been handled better from the start the Me 262s could have done a lot more damage then they did. Lucky for the rest of the world they didn't though eh? Even though the UK could have made jets sooner and chose not to, I don't really think that was a bad choice. As revolutionary as jets were, there were quite a few reasons not to at that time. Basically, most of the reasons the Germans ran into. Same applies for the 163. As revolutionary as it was, it turned out to be more dangerous for it's pilots than their enemies. It had such a short flight time that it was almost completely useless. In both cases I'd say they were groundbreaking, but the 163 should never have been more than an experimental aircraft. PяopagaиdaIиc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted February 23, 2007 Author Share Posted February 23, 2007 Such is old mentality. If it flies and seems to be ok, lets produce it! Everything! lol. Hell us Brits got it wrong quite a few times after that, Comets blowing up, Vickers Valiants being scrapped from service early due to bad structural design in the main spar etc. Just to name 2 lol. Tbh..if you've got a brand new style of plane that could revolutionise the world...use it lol. I don't blame the germans for doing what they did, even if (and I agree) it was the wrong choice. Still, kickass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
92F Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 Typhoon would beast anything in the sky... When its working that is... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted February 23, 2007 Author Share Posted February 23, 2007 Your fault that is j/k. New aircraft..bound to be like that. Heard the Raptors even worse. So car they've crashed a few, had to cut people out of em cause they wouldn't open...etc etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvermanblue Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 The YF35 JSF is a kinda new aproach to aircraft design. I am particuly interested in the STOL version (Short take off and landing). It is basiclay a general shell that could be upgraded to any neccesary situations. But the F22 is an awesome plane and it should be more widely used. There maybe some life left in the old F16's and F18's, Also the old naval standby the F14 tomcat Especially with continued upgrades. But to be honest while were talking about the Y35 I bet another better plane is in development or probaly being tested. Leone Family Mafia ПРОПАГАНДА.ИНЦ, СИЛВЕРМАНБЛУЕ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-slash Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 Gotta love the good old Bf109/Me109. It's my plane of choice for IL2 Sturmovik, I know the G-2 like the back of my hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Picolini Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 Ah, thanks for the link over to the topic GTAuron Now... all this F35 biz, whats this about? To reply to the above post, as far as I heard the F35 is a replacement and from what I heard ( but seemingly wrong by all the other posts here) a step up on the F22. My thoughts were the F22 only had some better maneuverability on the f35, with it's thrust vectoring and all. I too find the VTOL (or STVOL or how ever it is on the f35) very cool, and I think it would f*cking kick ass! Wouldn't you guys agree that the ship would do wonders out on the aircraft carriers. Now of course a plane is supposed to shine in the air... that's where I don't know much about the plane I do know that it's a very stealthy one, radar signature about the size of a bumble bee if i recall correctly. I don't know much about performance, but I think it's single jet engine was putting out about 35K lbs of thrust right? Could be wrong, but I think it's around that range. For a single seater I think that'd be pretty good. So what exactly is it lacking in comparison with the Russian and Chinese (shudders at the thought that 1billion plus people have superior airpower). I've heard it's even better than the F22 raptor and what I heard about that was other planes never new it was there until they were crashing to the earth in flames But of course I don't recall what planes they were testing against, so they could have been older planes that wouldn't stand a chance in the first place. But I'm interested in what the F-35 is lacking in. Is it just so over generalized for multi roles it can't be set up for a primary role? Any suggestions that would make it a formidable opponent for other countries air forces? Fill me in guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvermanblue Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 I can see why GT is a little paranoid. The y35 is set to replace alot of cool planes such as F16,F18,F14, And the harrier. Wich lets face it was getting up there in age despite being the appitimy of badassness. So it will be sad to see the old birds go but sometimes we gotta make sacrifices for the future. Leone Family Mafia ПРОПАГАНДА.ИНЦ, СИЛВЕРМАНБЛУЕ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWEETSAPRIK Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 But I'm interested in what the F-35 is lacking in. Is it just so over generalized for multi roles it can't be set up for a primary role? As GTAuron (and others) have put it "Jack of all trades, master of none." It's basically one plane that can share most of its key parts with other F-35 variants. Side note: VTOL > STOVL in my opinion. For a better description of the F-35 and its variants see here. PяopagaиdaIиc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 My favourite WWII aircraft was Ju-8. Mobile, fighter, light, carrier, bomber. It was used in Africa mostly. Modern day aircraft? Antonov, beautiful piece of enginering. Still amazes me how big it is. Hey, Sweets is this what you was looking for? Link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*gta star* Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 Excellent topic GTAuron, very good idea. Isn't the Antonov bigger than the Airbus A380 ? It has 6 engines, whereas the Airbus automatically has 4. However, it's something that I'm not sure about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 Excellent topic GTAuron, very good idea. Isn't the Antonov bigger than the Airbus A380 ? It has 6 engines, whereas the Airbus automatically has 4. However, it's something that I'm not sure about. I believe it is the biggest aircraft in the world. There arn't too many antanovs around actually. Lol, look how many under-carriages it has! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWEETSAPRIK Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 (edited) Isn't the Antonov bigger than the Airbus A380 ? From the wikipedia article. (edit) To clarify, the Antonov is the Antonov Mriya. It's not biggest in height or wingspan, but is the biggest in just about every other way. (Weight, cargo capacity.) Edited February 23, 2007 by Sweets PяopagaиdaIиc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-maddog- Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 Took these at an airshow last year! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 hm, its depends. As far as I know, the antanov is the biggest cargo aircraft. My favourite fighter, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-maddog- Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 (edited) hm, its depends. As far as I know, the antanov is the biggest cargo aircraft. My favourite fighter, Yea, the Antonov-225 is the biggest! And here are some pics i took in october 05. Its the 225's little brother the 124-100 Edited February 23, 2007 by -maddog- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvermanblue Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 The Antoniv 225 is the largest plane in the world period. Check the linky lnkse and it will tell you the same thing I just said. But a very cool plane none the less. Leone Family Mafia ПРОПАГАНДА.ИНЦ, СИЛВЕРМАНБЛУЕ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 Great pics there maddog! The 124 reminds me of C-Galaxy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*gta star* Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 Right, so the Antonov is the largest Cargo plane but the Airbus A380 is the biggest passenger plane. Any cockpit pics of the Antonov ? The Airbus A380 is huge though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 Right, so the Antonov is the largest Cargo plane but the Airbus A380 is the biggest passenger plane. Any cockpit pics of the Antonov ? Russian engineering for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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