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DexMacLeod

I think Cena was the death of the "good guy vs bad guy" dynamic but it's not really his fault. For one they so rarely had true bad guys. I'm talking people that the majority of the audience actually hated and when they did have a guy who was close to that they'd put him against Cena hoping they'd get the crowd on Cena's side. Problem was that "50/50" split Cena always got was just transferred to the person he was fighting.

 

Bray Wyatt, Kevin Owens, Brock Lesnar, Elias, and even The Miz have all had their heel heat toned down significantly by working with Cena. What's worse is instead of learning from that, The Powers That Be in WWE put most of those guys up against Roman as well.

 

I don't think Reigns will ever get over as a face without going heel first. The fans just won't let it happen and WWE should have realized that by now. The internet has made wrestling fans "smarter" and when we realize that someone like Roman Reigns is being pushed down our throats it automatically makes the guy he's fighting against the underdog and underdogs are way more fun to root for.

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NumberNineLarge

Well, Cena was terrible at selling, plus his character was very jarring. The face of the company, in my view, should appeal to all demographics. Cena stopped being cool to me after the rapper gimmick. Most cool gimmicks are Midgard gimmicks. The one downside, if Elias ever won the belt, would be his singing gimmick would be dropped instantly.

 

Cena was a kayfabe underdog. Punk and Bryan were real underdogs, because they got to the top in spite of the support of the WWE machine. This isn't the Hulkamania era anymore. We know what a script is now. We know kayfabe is not real.

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Corndawg93

Predictions for Elimination Chamber

 

Little Miss Murphy

Ascar

Titus World WIIIIIIIDDDEE

The New Face of Divorce

The Big Puppy

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Jack Lupino

I think Cena was the death of the "good guy vs bad guy" dynamic but it's not really his fault. For one they so rarely had true bad guys. I'm talking people that the majority of the audience actually hated and when they did have a guy who was close to that they'd put him against Cena hoping they'd get the crowd on Cena's side. Problem was that "50/50" split Cena always got was just transferred to the person he was fighting.

 

Bray Wyatt, Kevin Owens, Brock Lesnar, Elias, and even The Miz have all had their heel heat toned down significantly by working with Cena. What's worse is instead of learning from that, The Powers That Be in WWE put most of those guys up against Roman as well.

 

I don't think Reigns will ever get over as a face without going heel first. The fans just won't let it happen and WWE should have realized that by now. The internet has made wrestling fans "smarter" and when we realize that someone like Roman Reigns is being pushed down our throats it automatically makes the guy he's fighting against the underdog and underdogs are way more fun to root for.

Tbf there hasnt been really over guy since Bryan and Punk that fans will root for.

People seem to be more invested in booing reigns than cheering for one guy.

AJ Styles could have been but he is too old and at the tail end of his career.

I think Braun could be the guy but I am yet to see how he does with long title reign.

 

Ultimately I think fans opinion matters little to wwe.

Cena was booed for a decade but wwe neither changed his character nor turned heel.

I think they will apply same formula for reigns until a superover guy comes up and takes his spot.

 

On topic:

 

Rollins should be added to the triple threat match at WM.

He has history with both Brock and Roman by cashing in at Mania 31 plus they can sell the feud cuz Reigns betrayed him and eliminated him from Rumble match.

A 3 way dance would be a lot more interesting than just another predictable main event with Reigns going over for the umpteenth time.

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NumberNineLarge

Of course they don't care, if they did, they wouldn't have misused somebody as over as Punk or Bryan while they kept giving us Cena and now they're giving people Roman even though Braun is crazy over. The right thing to do would be Braun getting the belt at Mania. That's why it won't happen.

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jukebox

Elimination chamber has been really good. Both chamber matches have been awesome, with braun stroman stealing the show. Wow

 

Nvm once again a crap ending. Could have blown the roof off wrestlemania but of course golden boy main event reigns couldn't lose.

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Is this The Guy?

You know there was a part of me that actually believed they would surprise us and have someone else win that chamber match.

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Shenmue18

McMahon is turning Japanese, McMahon is turning Japanese, I really think so

 

Also, What did Shenmue think of the Rumble

It was a darn good show and I'm glad I tuned into it, I only watch the big four nowadays, unless a card gets hyped as being on-par with one of the big four, which I'll check out after its over if it ends up delivering. (Which is why I rarely post much anymore).

 

The Royal Rumble gave people everything they wanted while providing plenty of drama on the way there, nothing really under delivered and everything on the PPV seemed to serve its rightful purpose. The two World Title matches were fun with AJ vs KO/Zayne delivering on the spots and good wrestling and Lesnar vs Strowman vs Kane being an enjoyable brawl. Plus both Rumble matches finished on high notes and had good action, only wish the men's had a few more surprises, but that's a minor contrivance.

 

Apparently this EC was the exact opposite of that to most fans, because no one seemed terribly happy with most the matches, especially the ending of the show, and the only thing I'm seeing get praised are the Women's Chamber and some people digging the Rousey stuff.

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Jack Lupino

Ronda/Angle vs Trip/Steph confirmed for mania I guess.

Cena/Taker has been scrapped hopefully.

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Crokey

Calling it now, Cena will announce he's going to marry Nikki in the ring, a la Savage/Elizabeth.style. But before that Cena will do something to either Kane (who's rumored to be at Raw tonight) or Undertaker, and Undertaker will upset the wedding (like he did with Jake the Snake at Savage and Elizabeth's wedding) and they'll do an impromptu match.

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Corndawg93

Calling it now, Cena will announce he's going to marry Nikki in the ring, a la Savage/Elizabeth.style. But before that Cena will do something to either Kane (who's rumored to be at Raw tonight) or Undertaker, and Undertaker will upset the wedding (like he did with Jake the Snake at Savage and Elizabeth's wedding) and they'll do an impromptu match.

No, No Nononompmpmpnpnononpno NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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Jack Lupino

 

Great promo by reigns.

wwe needs to stop scripting promos and let more freedom on mic

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NumberNineLarge

Was that a worked shoot? It was much better than his magic beans, suffering succotash, not a bad guy and this is my yard now promos.

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Corndawg93

So Cena wins lol clean against AJ on Smackdown and is now in the title match at Fastlane, somewhere Bruce Blitz is chucking a wobbly

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Shenmue18

 

Great promo by reigns.

wwe needs to stop scripting promos and let more freedom on mic

Decided I'd check this out to see if Roman's got any better on the mic.

 

Lolnope.

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Corndawg93

 

https://youtu.be/gU1RxhTB71E

Great promo by reigns.

wwe needs to stop scripting promos and let more freedom on mic

 

Decided I'd check this out to see if Roman's got any better on the mic.

 

Lolnope.

He has so

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Shenmue18

Let me go ahead and explain how I feel about all of this.

 

His attempts at sounding "real" sound incredibly forced and phony. I actually cringed when he tried so hard to make that promo feel like a shoot with all the cornball enthusiasm and shoehorned wrestling lingo "Me and the boys are sick of it", "They don't want me to say this in the back", "I'm gonna get my ass chewed out for this", for the love of God, shut up already.

 

He lacks that feeling of being a fluid talker, it never feels like anything he says is from the heart or is how he would speak off of TV, when he raises his voice or tries really hard to get hyped up, it just feels like it's the part of the promo where they told him beforehand "Roman, this is the part of the script you pretend to be excited". Just stop, when a wrestling promo completely fails to make you suspend your disbelief and you're left feeling like "Wow, that was so fake" afterwards, it's clear the wrestler talking isn't meant to play the role or character they're given. Great talkers and great characters make you believe (even if just for a moment) that the wrestler you're watching talk on screen is akin to who they play on TV in their real life.

 

If WWE's going to shove this guy down people's throats and not go with one of the superior options they have on the roster, they should at least play to the dude's strengths. Just let the guy be a silent wrecking machine who's segments are built around physical and intense brawling between him and his opponent, have his responses to heels who talk sh*t about him be him attacking the heel, het him a manager and let the manager do the talking. He shouldn't have a mic in his hand, it's his biggest and most glaring flaw and that doesn't seem to be changing anytime soon.

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Corndawg93

Let me go ahead and explain how I feel about all of this.

 

His attempts at sounding "real" sound incredibly forced and phony. I actually cringed when he tried so hard to make that promo feel like a shoot with all the cornball enthusiasm and shoehorned wrestling lingo "Me and the boys are sick of it", "They don't want me to say this in the back", "I'm gonna get my ass chewed out for this", for the love of God, shut up already.

 

He lacks that feeling of being a fluid talker, it never feels like anything he says is from the heart or is how he would speak off of TV, when he raises his voice or tries really hard to get hyped up, it just feels like it's the part of the promo where they told him beforehand "Roman, this is the part of the script you pretend to be excited". Just stop, when a wrestling promo completely fails to make you suspend your disbelief and you're left feeling like "Wow, that was so fake" afterwards, it's clear the wrestler talking isn't meant to play the role or character they're given. Great talkers and great characters make you believe (even if just for a moment) that the wrestler you're watching talk on screen is akin to who they play on TV in their real life.

 

If WWE's going to shove this guy down people's throats and not go with one of the superior options they have on the roster, they should at least play to the dude's strengths. Just let the guy be a silent wrecking machine who's segments are built around physical and intense brawling between him and his opponent, have his responses to heels who talk sh*t about him be him attacking the heel, het him a manager and let the manager do the talking. He shouldn't have a mic in his hand, it's his biggest and most glaring flaw and that doesn't seem to be changing anytime soon.

You only hate it because your almighty lord and hater Brucie Bitch tells you to hate it, Roman is better in the ring, on the mic and every other aspect that comes with being a wrestler, sure he's no AJ Styles or Kenny Omega but he's certainly able to keep his own, I only wish he change his attire Edited by Corndawg93

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Shenmue18

 

Let me go ahead and explain how I feel about all of this.

 

His attempts at sounding "real" sound incredibly forced and phony. I actually cringed when he tried so hard to make that promo feel like a shoot with all the cornball enthusiasm and shoehorned wrestling lingo "Me and the boys are sick of it", "They don't want me to say this in the back", "I'm gonna get my ass chewed out for this", for the love of God, shut up already.

 

He lacks that feeling of being a fluid talker, it never feels like anything he says is from the heart or is how he would speak off of TV, when he raises his voice or tries really hard to get hyped up, it just feels like it's the part of the promo where they told him beforehand "Roman, this is the part of the script you pretend to be excited". Just stop, when a wrestling promo completely fails to make you suspend your disbelief and you're left feeling like "Wow, that was so fake" afterwards, it's clear the wrestler talking isn't meant to play the role or character they're given. Great talkers and great characters make you believe (even if just for a moment) that the wrestler you're watching talk on screen is akin to who they play on TV in their real life.

 

If WWE's going to shove this guy down people's throats and not go with one of the superior options they have on the roster, they should at least play to the dude's strengths. Just let the guy be a silent wrecking machine who's segments are built around physical and intense brawling between him and his opponent, have his responses to heels who talk sh*t about him be him attacking the heel, het him a manager and let the manager do the talking. He shouldn't have a mic in his hand, it's his biggest and most glaring flaw and that doesn't seem to be changing anytime soon.

You only hate it because your almighty lord and hater Brucie Bitch tells you to hate it, Roman is better in the ring, on the mic and every other aspect that comes with being a wrestler, sure he's no AJ Styles or Kenny Omega but he's certainly able to keep his own, I only wish he chance his attire

 

I can't speak for him too much as a wrestler, because I don't watch Raw weekly or every PPV to have a good gauge of his matches, but judging his talking off that one promo that was posted here, he might not be as bad on the mic as he was around 2015 when his solo push first started, but he's still pretty awful, for a myriad of reasons that I listed earlier.

 

I pretty rarely watch Bruce Blitz's wrestling reviews to be honest, his constant bitching about the show has gotten pretty old, he's had years to realize that Raw sucks, yet he's never quit watching it under the excuse of being a reviewer. At this point, he does it solely for money since if we quit doing the wrestling stuff and went to sports only, he'd lose a lot of subscriptions.

 

It's simple, I don't like what they put on TV, so I've quit watching Raw and even the regular PPVs, I just stick to watching the Rumble, Mania, Summerslam and maybe Survivor Series. The Big Four is all I need of WWE in a year, I haven't watched an episode of Raw in full in well over a year at this point, and there's very little chance I will again in the near future. Life's too short to spend it watching something every day that I don't enjoy. He would take the same route if it wasn't for making money off of talking about WWE several videos a week.

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Corndawg93

I wonder if Extreme still watches

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jukebox

Do you guys think a move to FOX would make the product even more pg? Just not sure if it would be best overall.

 

Also that scripted fake shoot was so bad. He may speak better then 2915 but not by much. Also where have his wrestling skills gotten better? He does a punch, he does that Samoa drop, his dumb superman punch and still a horrible looking spear. I haven't seen much improvement just his opponents making him look good. I also agree, I would like to see a change in his attire.

 

How many times is he going to freaking main event wrestlemania, what 4 times in 5 years? They can try and paint brock like the bad guy, but it won't work. Roman isn't going to get that living wrestlemania moment when he kicks out of the f5. It will be just like with undertaker. He won't go over as a baby face. Just my opinion, he needs rework, or just stop pushing him to the moon. So many other AMAZING talent being wasted for this scrub.

 

Also reigns has that doping case that seems to be gaining some strength.

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NumberNineLarge

Why does it matter if the product is PG or not? Isn't entertainment the most important thing?

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Jack Lupino

Going tv14 wouldn't drastically improve their shows they would have same boring bland wrestlers and same lazy creative booking.

What wwe needs is competition to kick their ass otherwise they will continually be complacent.

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Corndawg93

I'm getting reports that Rey Mysterio has torn his left bicep in a match with Flip Gordon against Joey Mercury and Celeb Konley, putting his match at Strong Style Evolved against Jushin Thunder Liger in peril and any participation at Mania as well

 

I should re-up my new japan account

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PaeganLoveSong

It's almost like steroidsVITAMINS weaken your muscles over time.

 

Re: Roman's wrestling skill

He's alright. Ability isn't dictated by moveset, juke, and Roman does have a natural presence in the ring. He's still very green (that's been the case for every homegrown guy with less than a decade experience), but to act like he's horrible in every regard is to reveal how limited your knowledge is.

 

Anybody else laughing at Twitter marks thinking Sami Callihan legitimately doesn't care that Eddie Edwards was injured? He even posted an official apology a month ago when the episode was taped and they patched things up quick.

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Jack Lupino

It's almost like steroidsVITAMINS weaken your muscles over time.

 

Re: Roman's wrestling skill

He's alright. Ability isn't dictated by moveset, juke, and Roman does have a natural presence in the ring. He's still very green (that's been the case for every homegrown guy with less than a decade experience), but to act like he's horrible in every regard is to reveal how limited your knowledge is.

 

 

My thoughts exactly.

Wrestling is pretty much subjective different folks have different tastes.

Some people like fast luchador style matches,some like technical matches while other prefer brawlers.

Romans style is mix between brawler and technical imo.

 

I wouldn't call him horrible he had plenty of great matches (vs Styles,Rollins,Bigshow,Owens,Balor etc.)

He just need to expand his movesets and stop spamming the superman match.

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Is this The Guy?

Im not Reigns biggest fan but I dont hate him like some people do. I actually really liked that Reigns promo from last week. I cant wait for him to take the belt from Brock to be completely honest. It would at least give us something that we havent seen in a while which is actual title defenses and the chance that the title will change hands instead of sitting on Brocks couch for the majority of the year.

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Corndawg93

I can't wait for The Big Dog to win the Title, it'll make the title relevent again

 

And I've been hearing the 205 live crew will be getting tag titles

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PaeganLoveSong

If by relevant you mean more likely to have repeats of Survivor Series 2013 (where the crowd was visibly emptying during the title match, source: myself and two other friends who regretted going), then sure.

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DexMacLeod

If by relevant you mean more likely to have repeats of Survivor Series 2013 (where the crowd was visibly emptying during the title match, source: myself and two other friends who regretted going), then sure.

I think he means it'll actually make appearances on TV so people won't totally forget it exists for months at a time.

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