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HaRdSTyLe_83

i liked the vertical mount so much, i had to do it to my main pc
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cant see the oled display anymore lol, also picture makes it look like the GPU is touching the RAM, but it still 5mm away, just enough to remove it :)

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Overpriced mousepad, but i like the white on silver like the reservoir
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Rog Spotlight, useless yet i like it

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i dont see much more i would like to do to it, maybe some white leds to the top of the reservoir and hiding the keyboard cable

 

 

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Jimmy

 

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Did some major upgrade back in November. Can't wait to get back home for the New Year's and plug myself in.

 

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Didn't have more LEDs and I think I'll stick with green colored ones next. They'll suit the room lighting better. Did a specs overhaul recently as well. Excuse the mobile pics.

 

Current specs:

CPU: i7 6700k

MB:  Asus Z170 pro

RAM: 16GB(8*2) Corsair LPX DDR4 3200 Mhz

GPU : MSI GTX 1080 Gaming

SSD: Samsung 850 EVO 256GB

CPU Cooler : Cooler Master Hyper 212X
Optical Drive: Asus DRW 24D5MT
PSU: CORSAIR VS 650
Case: Corsair Carbide CC-9011050-WW

 

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sivispacem

Can't wait to start my rebuild and move my system up onto my desk from the floor

 

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The amount of dust it picks up is absolutely ridiculous. 

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KDA

I kept mine on the floor since redoing the entire room. Not only is it on the floor, but on carpet as well. I kind of neglected the computer and didn't clean it once. I tried my hardest to make it set itself on fire. But it just wasn't meant to be.

 

I temporarily had it in my old Corsair 600T case, but I just picked up a Lian Li Lancool One in White to match the new room. The 600T picked up a lot of dust from being on the floor.

 

The new steel Lian Li cases aren't bad. I wish the border around the glass was white though. Especially on the white version of the case.

 

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I care slightly more about this setup now that it's no longer temporary so I brought in some cardboard to show how serious I am. When I find the time, I'll finish this room eventually.

 

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The wires need to be cleaned up (or I'l probably make an aluminum cover over it). They feed into the box under the desk.

 

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It's a lot of work left to complete.

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HaRdSTyLe_83
6 hours ago, Noale said:

I wish the border around the glass was white though. Especially on the white version of the case.

 

they did the same thing with the white Pc-011 dynamic, its probably the exact same window

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HaRdSTyLe_83

i really hope EKWB releases this new reservoir for the dynamic

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Dryspace

Well, the CRT that I posted here over a year ago died. Or rather, it started smoking, which I don't allow in the house, and I decided to retire it in order to forestall a catastrophic and undignified demise.

 

The FP1350X was, after all, merely the best option available after my FW900 departed after ten years of perfect service. But now I unexpectedly found myself in need of a new display, and though I knew I wasn't going to find anything that matched a CRT in overall quality, if I was going to accept a downgrade in most image-related aspects, I demanded an upgrade in at least two or three as meager compensation.

 

I decided on an LG OLED55B7A. Certain care must be taken to avoid image retention, but it's no different than the care that had to be taken with phonographs and other technology. I'll repost my original photo, along with the new one. I put the original desktop background in the center at precisely the same dimensions as the CRT display in order to demonstrate the size difference.

 

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I thought my 1080p projector at 110" was immersive! The higher resolution of 4K allows me to get much closer to the display, which means a much, much higher FOV. I've been playing at an eye distance of ~18", which means an actual horizontal FOV of almost 105°. This requires an in-game FOV of ~110° - 130° in order to avoid the "telescope" effect. But equally important is that, unlike an ultra-wide solution, the image literally fills my entire vertical field of vision. This means that when something passes overhead, it truly appears to me like it is passing overhead--because I don't see it passing off the top edge of the screen, I only see it leaving my field of vision.

 

I could dial up the FOV even more and deal with some distortion, but the great thing about a really high actual FOV is that you can get a really high in-game FOV with a realistic, non-distorted image. And it is incredibly immersive.

 

There are some things I don't like about the display--if you're interested message me and I'll tell you everything I know.  But the sad state of display technology today is one of compromise. No amount of money can buy a display with the same overall quality that a good CRT offered. Hopefully that will finally change soon.

 

P.S. For those who are curious, a 980 Ti was able to do BioShock: Infinite at 3840x2160, maxed out with MSAA without ever dropping below 60 fps. Arkham City fares just as well. Most later AAA games are going to require a lot more GPU power to max at 60+, though.

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DEALUX

OLEDs are actually kinda slow, possibly even slower than your average IPS TV. 60 Hz isn't so bad (provided you can shoot above the refresh) but a slow panel will suck regardless of whether you're using v-sync or not.

 

I don't think the picture quality and the possible issue of image retention (persistent HUDs in games) are worth it. My 165 Hz AH-VA is immersive enough and that sweet low latency can't be beat.

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Dryspace
6 hours ago, DEALUX said:

OLEDs are actually kinda slow, possibly even slower than your average IPS TV...a slow panel will suck regardless of whether you're using v-sync or not.

I hung onto my CRT until the last possible moment, and you think I don't understand input latency (and also response time)? Nigga, pleeeeze! 😛

 

It seems you got some bad info. The OLED55B7A is the opposite of a slow panel. In fact, there are faster and slower input latencies, but practically speaking there are only acceptable and unacceptable latencies. For me, unacceptable = perceptible. And the response time is orders of magnitude lower than any variant of LCD, which means that the only eye-tracking motion blur that exists is that which results from sample-and-hold.

 

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60 Hz isn't so bad (provided you can shoot above the refresh)

There's nothing wrong with input latency when at 60 fps and 60 Hz, as long as a game's vsync implementation is properly coded. American McGee's Alice e.g. is not--I had to play it at 120 fps / 120 Hz just in order to get the latency to an acceptable level (and it was still poor). DOOM 2016, which I'm just now starting, has a very slight lag when vsync is applied--it's something that many if not most people wouldn't notice. But while I don't appreciate it, it's not enough to cause a problem. I can deal with a game's poor coding, but I'm not willing to start with noticeable lag that's built in to my display, considering that it's cumulative.

 

At any rate, the OLED55B7A accepts a 120 Hz signal at 1080p. The panel itself is of course perfectly capable of 120 Hz at 4K, but the limitation is the HDMI 2.0 inputs, and presumably the processing HW. My W1070 projector (HDMI 1.4a) has the same issue with 120 Hz 720p vs. 60 Hz 1080p.

 

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I don't think the picture quality and the possible issue of image retention (persistent HUDs in games) are worth it. My 165 Hz AH-VA is immersive enough and that sweet low latency can't be beat.

The picture quality is better than anything a gaming LCD has to offer. In fact to be honest, it's too good: The contrast ratio is so high that the limitations of 8-bit color sometimes stand out in dark scenes. In other words, the brightness difference between adjacent levels is high enough to sometimes see banding in shadow detail that is invisible at lower contrast ratios. But then again, I am viewing much, much closer than the average person.

 

HUD retention was something I was worried about and very careful to monitor from the get-go, but I found that it hasn't been an issue at all. It very well could be an issue if one uses a high 'OLED Light' setting (brightness, basically). There are people who don't really know what they've bought--they sit in a room flooded with sunlight, turn the 'OLED Light' setting all the way up and then watch the news all day long every day. I of course play (most) games in the dark, and I haven't moved the OLED Light setting from '0'. '100' is the maximum.

 

An OLED display, at least at this point, is not for everyone, nor would I recommend one to everyone. Just like I wouldn't recommend a custom liquid-cooling solution to everyone, as it requires certain precautions and maintenance that not everyone is willing to deal with, and further not everyone needs.

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DEALUX

Your panel seems to be rated at 21 ms, which isn't bad as far as TVs go. That's about average for a monitor as well but it is within the range of perceptible lag.

 

Doom is actually a great test case. By my approximation, v-sync in that game adds about 20-30 ms of input lag. I would say it is pretty significant, akin to losing FPS, and for a game that's heavily optimized to run fast at an engine\API level it suggests that other games probably don't fare that well in that regard. Although the genre of the game matters a lot too. I find that racing games, for instance, don't benefit as much from 100+ FPS frame rates unlocked vs 60 FPS with v-sync. Forza Horizon is well known for running super smooth even at 30 FPS. Smoother car animations don't really impact gameplay that much in my experience.

 

 

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Dryspace
4 hours ago, DEALUX said:

Your panel seems to be rated at 21 ms, which isn't bad as far as TVs go. That's about average for a monitor as well but it is within the range of perceptible lag.

I can only insist that there is no perceptible latency from the mouse through Windows to the display itself. Don't quote me, but I think 13 ms is around the lower limit of what a human can perceive as a delay in response to user input. That is not to be confused with our ability to determine a separation between visual events, which is significantly faster. Anyone who has gamed at 120 fps knows that (170 Hz / 170 fps on my CRT was amazing when I tried it in Crysis 3! Having to bump down to 800x600 was not so amazing 🙄).

 

Further, I have no perceptible latency within any game unless vsync is applied in games with poor implementations. Fortunately, disabling the in-game vsync and using either D3DOverrider or the NVIDIA control panel usually solves the problem.

 

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Doom is actually a great test case. By my approximation, v-sync in that game adds about 20-30 ms of input lag. I would say it is pretty significant...

I'll trust your numbers on DOOM 2016's vsync. I wouldn't call it significant (if speaking relative to some other games), but definitely noticeable. And since that 20-30 ms is added to one's display latency, that's where you have a point about wanting as little display latency as possible. I honestly don't see how you (or anyone!) could notice any input lag on my display, but it is true that any additional lag is added to the 21 ms. So bad vsync is always going to be 21 ms worse. But the best that I could do with any non-CRT is what...10 or 12 ms off the total? And that would come with multiple compromises in other areas.

 

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...for a game that's heavily optimized to run fast at an engine\API level it suggests that other games probably don't fare that well in that regard.

From my testing, the optimization doesn't apply to vsync. The engine itself is as responsive as can be, but the vsync is actually worse than many games which do not introduce any perceptible latency to me. Standard vsync after all should not introduce more than one frame of latency, which at 60 fps is ~16.7 ms. But again, I wouldn't call DOOM 2016's vsync 'bad' at all: It's enough to notice when I apply it, but I can easily ignore it when I start playing. If I were playing competitively, the situation would be different.

 

But that's what is frustrating about the modern display market: The only solutions are compromises! If I needed to compete, I would go with the lowest input latency and highest refresh rate possible--and in return I would have to forego other things like contrast ratio, black level, color accuracy, viewing angle, resolution, and screen size. The thing that makes me weird, I guess, is that there is no modern display that would make me happy. Not even the one I have now. It just happens to be the best option I can find that fulfills my requirements as best as possible at a reasonable price.

 

P.S. I know that in discussions of this kind, one is always wondering whether the other person just doesn't notice something, lol. Just for reference, there is a reaction time test at humanbenchmark.com. Now, this test does not measure the same thing as a person's ability to perceive a reaction in response to his own input, but I believe they are probably related. In this test, my five-try average was 171 ms. So I will never pilot a fighter jet, but I think my responses in general are fairly good.

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HaRdSTyLe_83

totally unrelated, noticed new panels are coming up for pre-order and some are 4K 144hz 1ms for less the 1000$

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DEALUX
18 hours ago, Dryspace said:

I can only insist that there is no perceptible latency from the mouse through Windows to the display itself. Don't quote me, but I think 13 ms is around the lower limit of what a human can perceive as a delay in response to user input. That is not to be confused with our ability to determine a separation between visual events, which is significantly faster. Anyone who has gamed at 120 fps knows that (170 Hz / 170 fps on my CRT was amazing when I tried it in Crysis 3! Having to bump down to 800x600 was not so amazing 🙄).


But that's what is frustrating about the modern display market: The only solutions are compromises! If I needed to compete, I would go with the lowest input latency and highest refresh rate possible--and in return I would have to forego other things like contrast ratio, black level, color accuracy, viewing angle, resolution, and screen size. The thing that makes me weird, I guess, is that there is no modern display that would make me happy. Not even the one I have now. It just happens to be the best option I can find that fulfills my requirements as best as possible at a reasonable price.

I have my old 60 Hz display next to my 165 Hz Predator and even mouse cursor movements are much more seamless on the higher refresh panel. It just feels so natural and moving over to the 60 Hz display feels laggy in comparison. You mostly only notice it when compared directly, sure.

 

I think the AH-VA I have checks a lot of boxes. I'm somewhat surprised at times by the deep black levels. It's technically advertised as IPS but it is not a panel made by LG (Acer has their own company that makes panels). I believe it covers 97% or more of the sRGB color space which is about as good as it gets for an 8-bit panel with factory calibration.

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Dryspace
44 minutes ago, DEALUX said:

I have my old 60 Hz display next to my 165 Hz Predator and even mouse cursor movements are much more seamless on the higher refresh panel. It just feels so natural and moving over to the 60 Hz display feels laggy in comparison. You mostly only notice it when compared directly, sure.

More seamless? Absolutely. There is no doubt that higher refresh/framerates "feel" much better, even when moving a cursor.

 

I'm just doubting that the issue here is input latency, and instead is the increased temporal resolution that our eyes/brains can definitely sense. Going from 60 to 120 Hz would only be decreasing total input latency by ~8 ms--I just don't think that would make near as much of a difference in perception as having twice the number of samples, which makes a cursor or camera much more fluid. Let me know if you come across any studies that specifically compare the perception of these two aspects.

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DEALUX

Hmmm. Yeah, I guess I just conflate the two, which is kinda wrong but they are related for sure.

 

 

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Baserape

Animated lights rays, the file will be active for 30 days.

 

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HaRdSTyLe_83

this desktop is like Frankenstein, made with spare parts and now with spare fittings, half are black the other half are nickel LOL. only the reservoir is new

 

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Dryspace
28 minutes ago, HaRdSTyLe_83 said:

this desktop is like Frankenstein, made with spare parts and now with spare fittings, half are black the other half are nickel LOL. only the reservoir is new

Is that some type of thin-format reservoir with attached pump?

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HaRdSTyLe_83
20 minutes ago, Dryspace said:

Is that some type of thin-format reservoir with attached pump?

 

Yes its a reservoir / distribuition plate or whatever its  called, its from barrows but there are others from bykski and bitspower. They make them from some cases.

 

I would like to use it in my main pc, but would lose the lightbox on the bottom, i dont think only a slim (26mm) 360 radiator on the top would be enough and to add some cooling on the DDC pump

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owl-man

A bit messy but yeah
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I'll take fancy pics of the pc later.

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Dryspace
3 hours ago, owl-man said:

A bit messy but yeah
I'll take fancy pics of the pc later.

I used to keep a few icons on my desktop, but I had to kick that habit overnight when I got an OLED display. Not even the trashcan.

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Guest

ended up moving to slackware. p much using the same configs i did on debian but resource usage is much lower.

 

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Straypuft

Temporary setup after removing the legs from the table to try something out, made the desk less wobbly, the only thing that really wobbles now is the webcam stand, but not worried about that. Will be visiting Ikea in a month to get a new table top.

 

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DeeJayMC

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I see slackware up there and am inspired. Lookin' good, dudes!

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Guest

If you fancy a change of pace from Arch I'd definitely recommend giving Slackware a shot. I dived into it headfirst coming from Debian and kinda bricked it when I realized there's no package manager (no more apt install lol) however the combination of sbotools, slackbuilds and pkgtool makes everything pretty easy to get plus anything you cant find on slackbuilds you can usually just build from source. The one thing I really like about it is the low ram usage compared to Debian - I'm hardly starved for RAM with 24gb of it but a few Firefox tabs, Spotify, Discord etc I'm still somehow idling under 1gb of RAM usage. While it's probably down to using lightweight DE's/panels like Openbox and tint2 I'd say Slackware still has a fairly good impact on resources considering the same config/scenario on Debian would be at 1.5/2gb.

 

The Slackware community is also incredibly helpful and has a sh*t ton of documentation which definitely helps out.

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vizs

You should probably try out Void Linux to be honest. It's nice and minimal. runit, you can choose muslc, it has some BSD-ness if you like BSD like I do. Although the documentation and the packages are a bit sparse, both are being worked on. I like how easy it to submit a package. You literally create a pull request in the void packages repo. Don't regret switching to Void Linux a single bit.

But I'd use OpenBSD if I can get the correct video drivers for this integrated intel graphics. The live CD is borked, I can't even see the kernel messages lol.

Or I could stick with Linux by choosing CRUX which is closest to BSD you can ever get. I'm actually using pkgutils (package manager of CRUX) to install binaries in my home directory. Right now, I'm rewriting pkgutils in bash because cpp is too horrible to hack.

I like the simplicity of pkgutils. Here's a package for patch for example -- https://raw.githubusercontent.com/vizs/ports/master/patch/pkgfile. Unfortunately, I don't have the time to configure the kernel now, so I'm sticking with void and pkgutils. I am actually thinking about writing in rust though because some stuff are quit hard to do in bash even though I know POSIX sh and some bashisms quite well.


About Slackware, do you like it? IIRC, you do have to compile everything in Slackware no?

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DeeJayMC

I have wanted to order a hard-copy set of Slackware discs since forever, just to say I have them! I have run Slack before; it was rock solid, but I often ran into difficulty installing software that wasn't included with the distro. That was a long time ago, now, so I may give it a whirl if I ever get really antsy about this Arch install.

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