The Official Metal Topic

[Canoxa]

Fook yeah. Can't wait to hear it.

[Slamman]

The Earl Root Memorial concert is scheduled end of August and I am really looking forward to that show and filming as much as I can. Impaler are on that bill.

 

The Root Of All Evil show is up in a bidding war on it's home; KFAI dot ORG for it's timeslot, after Earl passed away, office politics dictated that the time slot, all 5 hours, would be bid on by anyone wanted it.

 

This puts the whole metal scene here, locally and nationally in a real dire position!

Pray for METAL to survive.

 

If this format is killed off, life will hold no meaning. Earl Root lived for metal! His show was the longest running of anyone's. It had the prospect of going to digital broadcasting in the months ahead. While everyone contributes freely to making it happen, the station is listener supported so that twice a year, a pledge drive was required to get needed bills paid via funding. This is one aspect I found nicely satirized in Vice City's public radio, but not in a way that was too demeaning to public radio in the real world. In fact, more then a mega corp owned station, here the community can all contribute and it is an amazing thing to be apart of.

Online service is growing but not everything should be something you need to electronically connect to to stay in touch with.

 

Broadcasting in the traditional sense is in danger quite often, even as technology can help it grow, it has it's evil, dark side.

 

We can only hope, in the weeks ahead, the ROAE is spared from becoming some Hmong late night music.

[Trows]

Metal isn't going to die?

[Slamman]

It very well could if only people who like it, fans like you and me are supporting it, fact is, this is a major media outlet and every other one disowned us. Supporting something this good is worth it, and since Earl was a friend to me, it means a lot to see his legacy survive.

[Mand'alor]

No I'm in agreement with Trows, metal is not going to die.....

 

....but by golly that was a close call there.

[Trows]

It very well could if only people who like it, fans like you and me are supporting it

...

 

 

What?

 

 

 

How often do you support something you don't like?

 

I mean, there's no REAL metal stations over here in Australia, and the local scene is absolutely flourishing.

[ChocolatePie]

Hey hey all..

 

Are you a fan of metal music smile.gif

 

Be a nice fellow and add www.myspace.com/mortalita

 

Only a young act, but keen on the music they write and play.

 

Send some love there.

Thanks guys!

[Ludo]

Demons Among Angels is kinda cool.

 

 

But don't have a myspace....so no add from this fecker

[Slamman]

It very well could if only people who like it, fans like you and me are supporting it

...

 

 

What?

 

How often do you support something you don't like?

 

I mean, there's no REAL metal stations over here in Australia, and the local scene is absolutely flourishing.

If you are old enough to appreciate FM broadcasting from the earliest age, it should be obvious what I am getting at. Metal and all under appreciated formats need an outlet of exposure, and in the best case, that extends WELL BEYOND the Internet. The online experience and resource is no doubt a reason I bought one, but should it be the only means to get hard to find material???

HELL NO!!!

 

Broadcast radio allows all manner of acts to be represented on a worthy show, and one can then decide what they like otherwise you remain blissfully unaware.

 

If you are young, you likely think the Internet is the only source you need, well, that's not good reasoning in my book. I do support the whole idea of keeping this show on the air and the ideals of the Public Radio Station that made it all possible and the listeners who showed their support for over those 20 plus years!!

 

It's been a long time I've been enjoying it and I hope it continues as long as possible.

 

BTW, thanks to the Net, you can stream this show and have it archived online as well, so it is benefitting in more then one way.

[Statutory Ray]

It very well could if only people who like it, fans like you and me are supporting it, fact is, this is a major media outlet and every other one disowned us. Supporting something this good is worth it, and since Earl was a friend to me, it means a lot to see his legacy survive.

No disrespect to Earl or anything, but radio (especially independent radio) is a dying format. It's NOT metal that's dying, it's radio, which metal can and has been doing just fine without. If you honestly believe that metal is going to die because a single radio station is going to be bought out, you never had much faith in metal in the first place.

 

I'm perfectly fine with metal "dying", because undoubtedly some kick ass band will come back and revive it, whether you or everybody who listens to MTV/radio knows about it. Hell, I've seen posts like yours all over the internet for the past 5+ years, people crying about metal dying, but I've discovered more new and great metal in the last five years thanks to the internet than I've ever heard in my life. A lot of these bands formed in the 80s and 90s and are STILL putting out good albums, despite not having a lick of support from the mainstream, which is the only real way of determining if a genre is "alive" or not for most people.

 

If you ask people who are only familiar with MTV or the radio, they'll probably tell you metal is dead, or list a bunch of "metal" bands that would make you think metal is dead if THAT is what they call metal.

[Slamman]

The very idea it's "dying" is because people , I hate to say it...like you, take things for granted thinking everything is just alright until it is infact, gone.

 

Of course someone somewhere will be making this type of music, but to allow them their My Space and some FM digital online station, then what? Posters??

 

I mean, back in the day, we had no Internet and one digital revolution cannot erase all that rich heritage. I'm saying don't be so passive, support the underground and this is no less important. It's not dying if it is in fact supported by the listeners and bands.

 

I personally am a re-contributing member to KFAI while the show continues and it's been more then just music alone, it's been hours of great comedy as well...information reported as well as a feeling of 'family'.

 

I'd like to think it has more meaning then an era or age bracket. Metal For Life!!

[Statutory Ray]

How is the digital revolution erasing all that "rich heritage"? It's preserving it. There are a TON of old metal bands that never got any sort of recognition until their work was put out on the internet, which led to their reformation and new material, or even new bands from the people responsible.

 

I don't see how I'm taking anything for granted, or how anything I can do besides what I do, which is buying records and seeing shows, can help keep the metal "scene" stay alive. You're the one that always bitches about new metal sucking, so you've already decided metal is dead. What can you do to bring all these bands that you loved back? Nothing. Putting money into a radio station that will play old metal won't do sh*t except let you listen to old metal. You can listen to old metal anytime you want, but if you're feeding money to bands that don't exist anymore, you're not doing anything to help the current scene.

 

Metal WILL die if people like you are so hellbent in doing things the old way. It's easier for a band to get their name out there these days, and that's NOT a bad thing. Even if the older bands feel it's not fair that so-and-so band doesn't have to make 100 cassettes to pass out from the trunk of their car or flyer a thousand parking lots just to get SOMEBODY to listen to their music, that's just not how it works anymore. Grass roots advertising only applies to grass roots. Newer bands play local shows, but also need a way to distribute to people across the world, which is what the internet provides. People don't have to browse hole-in-wall record stores to find new music, and risk paying $20 for a record they might hate.

 

I didn't want to be this harsh, but honestly, nobody gives a flying f*ck about this goddamn radio show you keep blabbing about, and it dying isn't going to bring upon THE METAL APOCALYPSE wherein all metal bands are led one by one to the fiery pits of congress to be systematically dismantled and barred from ever tuning their guitars to Drop C. Metal is doing fine. It's doing a lot better than it was in the 90s, in terms of popularity, and much better than the early 00s in terms of quality.

 

If anything your atrocious grammar and "GET OFF MY LAWN" demeanor is what is killing metal.

 

Edit: The radio sucks, and the fact you can only list one beacon of light worthy of listening to as a source of metal only supports that claim. The only way for somebody outside of it's broadcasting range to listen, is to use the internet. Kind of destroys your whole argument.

Edited July 31, 2008 by Statutory Ray

[Slamman]

Ok, bud....my bad Grammer? Killing Metal?

I'm saying the Internet is not where I buy or listen to my music, the bottom line and it's not the most accessible or easy one for most people in the World to get their music. Radio will not die but the support from commercial stations is just sad.

 

If you love metal at all, you won't come down on me for my support of it in this fashion. Metal on cable, metal on TV, metal on radio, all over the board, late 1980s is what I want to see in terms of a revival.

 

Please consider your attack on me, I am truly worried if all I have is the Internet to get this sourced! I can't stream day and night on dial up connection.

[Statutory Ray]

dial up connection.

This sums it all up. Throw away your acid-wash jeans and take the bandanas off of your microphone stand. I didn't even think it was possible to still have dial-up in America.

 

If you're still wishing for a late 1980's metal revival, you've got no hope in the world. Anybody that would support that idea has moved on and grown up a long time ago, and only listens to their Guns N Roses cassettes when they need to reminisce about the old times before they had kids and a full time job and life was just one big mullet-filled party.

[Slamman]

You have a real problem when you prefer to infight and sell the vision of metal short, it's not about you versus me because of my age or background, Metal appeals over it's VAST LEGACY as I stress time and time again, I figure you're too young to realize there's nothing wrong in appreciating it from my stance.

 

I don't have to "Get with the times" as you say, Metal is not about that ...but I'm sorry you discredit the radio show I speak of as if you had heard it and can say it's not good and no one cares. That's plain wrong to suggest even.

 

I'll never subscribe to that, and I am not saying you have to give money, you just need to keep some fingers crossed that we keep our time slot and the show going, that is all!

 

Man, I don't want to feel segregated in the Metal community because I like old metal, the show is about ALL METAL!!! I can't even begin to stress that point enough

Edited July 31, 2008 by Slamman

[Statutory Ray]

you're too young

I find it hard to believe it's not about age when you say sh*t like this over and over.

 

You're old and way too obsessed with metal. I love metal, sure, but I'm not going to bullsh*t myself into a delusional state where METAL is the only thing that matters and METAL is life and everything and everyone is part of some interconnected METAL of METALLIUM METALLATORS wherein all sentient beings will be combined to form the ultimate METAL and peace and harmony and METAL and butter will be spread all over the world.

 

VAST LEGACY OF BUTTER METAL

[Slamman]

Two things to clarify then, age factors into how you experience music.

Second thing is Dying is used loosely, but don't fool yourself into complacency either, Hard Rock and Good melodic rock are just about Dead in today's scene, ask anyone who's a rock fan if they like "today's" music! I see it online and I believe it off line as well. Streaming is great, I won't knock it... the various genres are great, but you obviously want to say Metal For Life is a bad idea?

 

Sorry, but I mean what I say, I truly love Metal and Hard Rock, it's a badge of pride for me.

[Canoxa]

 

Radio will not die but the support from commercial stations is just sad.

Metal is not supposed to be f*cking commercial. One thing that lured me in was the intellectual depth the music slash lyrics (often both, thank god) contain. Metal's first priority isn't producing revenue or providing easy living. Metal is not supposed to be f*cking pop music. We tried that in the 80's, you sure do remember. That is dead. And, regardless of how awful hair metal was, it wasn't because of natural selection. People started getting sick of it and tastes shifted. While this has happened in countless other places, here, it died. A whole genre just f*cking died. Why? Because it was resting on pop music's unmerciful shoulders. So you see, the only part of metal, if we can call it that, that relied on pop, sank delightfully. We owe NOTHING to any pop scene.

[Mand'alor]

 

Sorry, but I mean what I say, I truly love Metal and Hard Rock, it's a badge of pride for me.

And we hear about that every f*ckin day on these forums from you. Please just talk about something else. We know your an 80's "Metal Warrior".

 

1. Metal is most certainly not dead.

 

2. There will never be an 80's revival that will match what happened back then.

 

3. Metal does not need radio as a form of medium for getting its music out there. Radio is practically obsolete, has been for some time.

 

4. Please take your head out of your ass and check out some of the quality bands that are out these days instead of clinging to your own desperate belief that metal these days is sh*t.

 

And just to add: I am an avid 80's metal fan.

Edited July 31, 2008 by Nixon

[flitcroft101]

this is almost as bad as the rap topic and that's saying something

 

ps my friend told me to check out kalmah and Mokoma, any thoughts? good or bad or what not ?_?

Edited July 31, 2008 by flitcroft101

[Ludo]

Kalmah are quite good

[Slamman]

Whether you hear it from me or someone else, I lived through every rock scene having been born in 1966! I know that if you take things for granted, you'll lose them, so the bottom line is wake up and smell the coffee... you have to support a scene in order for it to survive. That means in every country, in every town, and don't let corporations and companies dictate to you. It's more then 1980s music at stake here and what I like and what you like... It's the whole hard rock and metal community.

 

People called the 80s the Me Decade, but for me it was and is THE METAL DECADE!

 

Also, Ozzy Osbourne's song "You Can't Kill Rock N Roll", that's my hymn, I feel that song every time I hear it!

[Struff Bunstridge]

Maybe I'm just being naive, but I don't understand what you mean when you talk about metal dying. What, for you, does that involve exactly? Are you suggesting that people will stop listening to it, that already established acts will cease touring and/or releasing albums, that kids won't want to play thrash any more, that budding guitartists all over the world won't bother learning classic metal songs and no more metal bands will be formed?

 

Because I really don't see any of those things happening. People claim punk died over two decades ago, but I don't see bands like Propagandhi, or The Subhumans, or even NOFX winding things down and moving to retirement homes. Similarly in terms of metal, Download here in the UK this year saw Kiss, Judas Priest, and Motorhead performing on one stage alone. Older, more established bands are still playing and recording, and clearly still have the hunger they always did.

 

Are you simply arguing that metal is dying because it's not yours any more? The internet means that anyone with a connection anywhere in the world can find new music; unfortunately, that means that radio stations like your late friend's, which used to be the only way to find this stuff, is rapidly becoming obsolete. From your previous posts, I've come to the conclusion that it's this you're mourning, not the death of the scene as a whole.

[Canoxa]

Also, Ozzy Osbourne's song "You Can't Kill Rock N Roll", that's my hymn, I feel that song every time I hear it!

And yet you're worried enough to annoy half the topic.

[Ludo]

In fairness Canoxa, I don't see think that what Slamman is saying about metal dying has anything to do with how he feels for the song. The song itself may mean something to him, it seems to hit a certain note with him, but that does not mean that his thoughts on the this apparent death of metal should be put aside just by thinking the song.

Maybe he does mean it the way you took it up, but it does not seem that way to me.

[Digital Murders]

 

Full proof that metal isn't dead.

 

I've been listening to this a lot lately. Picked it up quite some time ago, listened to it once and never bothered with it till now. Great, great stuff.

[Slamman]

I stepped away from this thread so we could cool down, but it's obviously clear to me, despite age differences and backgrounds, people keep taking what I say and re-interpreting it.

 

I want to again stress the point I am making, and there is no TWO ways about it... I never said Metal Was or IS dead.

[i'm making that statement as a hypothetical, to clear that up]

 

I also NEVER said new metal is horrible or bad in any way, and that old metal is good, pop metal is good...70s metal or hard rock was the last of the last...good stuff.

[even though I do think old school is simply mind blowing in comparison, however)

 

That seems to be what I am hearing [reading] back, and in turn, that I am an a-hole for speaking up about my favorite show of all time {more then once here in the IVums}.

 

Well, if you prefer to segregate metal music FAR beyond the exceptible genres, that's your problem and I REFUSE to make it mine.

 

METAL is a UNITED cause, and I am saying the more outlets, the wider the appreciation, is always better, not the exception to any "metal" rule.

 

I'll keep harping on my beliefs if you take my ideas and twist them around out of context. Just ask in a friendly manner what I am getting at, don't attack me on the issue.

 

We should all get along now, I should hope.

I am making a case for a scene that once was and COULD be again if you don't accept defeat...which is what it is to say it will never become popular again.

 

The Underground is fine, selling out or SELLING OUT is not something I choose to dwell on, it's all metal, it's all good.

 

The place for heavy music is not some musical niche...it's very widespread, but we need as many outlets for it as possible, that's why I support what I do.

 

In response to how a scene dies, I think it's largely to do with advertisers and corporate owned radio and record labels, and the fact that our generation is struggling to be the successors there to aid the music we love, like Dig and Earache Records, Century Media and Nuclear Blast. Three labels alone dedicated to the scene I would say, we need things like that to support, more then just bands, the Internet and Fans.

Edited August 3, 2008 by Slamman

[Scarface187]

Melvins and Big Business show tonight. Its going to kick ass being in the same room with Buzzo and his hair. I hope someone pisses him off so we can have a repeat of this funny incident.

 

 

[Blind Joe Death]

"Maybe you're drunk, BUT THAT'S NOT MY f*ckEN PROBLEM!"

 

"I'm not your f*cken parents, so I don't care if somebody kills ya."

 

 

haha. Gotta love Buzzo, the dude's hilarious.

[Scarface187]

 

The show was kick ass. Before Big Business came on there was another band called Porn that consisted of Dale Crover, Toshi Kasai and someone I've never seen before on guitar. Instead of playing guitar, Toshi just f*cked around with an effects pedal the whole time. When they first started I thought "Oh f*ck, not another noise group" but it turned out pretty cool I thought.

 

 

 

Big Business hit the stage next and holy sh*t was that awesome. Jared was sporting a unicorn shirt which was pretty funny (and his outfit later when he joined with The Melvins was hilarious too). I had a hard time believing that it was his voice coming out of his mouth. I just can't seem to match the voice with that guy, but anyway all the members kicked ass. I heard a few people complaining about the guitar saying Toshi's tone was crappy but I thought it kicked a lot of ass. They did a new song which was pretty cool too from what I heard. I only have the second album so I recognized only a handful of songs.

 

Then it came time for The Melvins. I didn't listen to enough of them I guess because most of the setlist was comprised of new material and material from the last album which I don't have. The older songs I spotted were 'Eyes Flys' (with the help of someone telling me), 'Honey Bucket' (\m/), and 'Boris'. I think there was one song from Hostile Ambient Takeover on there as well. They also did a very slow cover of 'My Generation' and they also went into The Star Spangled Banner out of nowhere which was pretty cool. The new songs sounded great live. One song I don't remember hearing from the new album was 'Dies Israea' I must of skipped it or something but when I heard it. Holy sh*t. I had the theme from The Shining stuck in my head earlier that day too. f*cking awesome cover. One of my favorites on the album now. No encore but ah well. When the lights went up they played the Andy Griffith Show theme and then the f*cking A-Team theme which was awesome. Overall a pretty awesome show but I was disappointed that 'Hooch' was absent from the setlist. After the concert my friend proceeded to get us lost in Boston for another hour before we got back on track.

 

 

 

 

 

I finally found pictures, heres some.

 

 

 

The rest.