San Andreas Nut Posted January 20, 2007 Share Posted January 20, 2007 Ok I would really appreciate it if someone could answer these following questions for me. 1. If I had some MP3's on my comp & I made an "Audio CD" with them, and stupidly deleted the mp3s , can I later rip the now "audio tracks" back into MP3s at highest quality with WMP(320kbps) regardless of what quality they were originally, or will this make them sound horrible? I dont know sh*t, what if they were a low bitrate to start with i.e 128 & I rip them into 320. are you supposed to rip them to their original bitrate? or it doesnt matter? 2. What bitrate are audio cds done at, as in the ones you buy, not the ones you do on nero? 3. When I copy a "bought" cd, what quality is that done at?? I getting my dads external HDD & im planning to put every music track I own on it I have a lot of Audio cds though that I need to rip, hence my questions^ also. I planning to copy my friends Pink Floyd collection, how can I get them at highest quality? simply copy the cds? or rip into high bitrate & burn? thx Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/265715-ripping/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Svip Posted January 20, 2007 Share Posted January 20, 2007 Usually CDs come in raw bitrate, or whatever the CD was in the first place. But often people rip them and encode them directly into mp3 or a lossless format. If its a lossless format, it will be the exact same quality as the CD was, but it doesn't fill up as much space on your hard drive as a wav file. However, often people go for the 128kbps bitrate, which is considered a horrible bitrate, bitrate should at least be 196kbps. As for WMP, don't ask me, I've never used it. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/265715-ripping/#findComment-4022839 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadyd Posted January 20, 2007 Share Posted January 20, 2007 There will be a reduction of quality if you rip a lossy format like mp3 into another lossy format. If the original files were originally 128 or 192 kbps re-ripping at 320 won't make the slightest bit of difference, and defiantly won't make your files sound any better. The transcoded files might not sound horrible to you though, if you are used to listening to low bitrate mp3s like 128kbps they might sound perfectly reasonable to you, the only way to find out will be to give it a go. The quality the bought CD is coped at is entirely up to you, and it is really down to personal choice. Check out http://www.hydrogenaudio.org if you want to see some of the suggestions people give (The fact there is a huge forum, pretty much dedicated to discussion of audio formats and settings shows you how much choice and difference there is) It really depends how much space you have, how fussy you are and what sounds good to you. http://www.exactaudiocopy.de is excellent software to use when you do rip your CDS. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/265715-ripping/#findComment-4022934 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vito Leone Posted January 20, 2007 Share Posted January 20, 2007 actually, I also encoutered having some problems while having 320kbps tracks. Sometimes they tend to be in bad quality and with no noise reduction. That's also a minus. I think 128kbps is a good rate if you dont want the songs to take much space in your hard-drive, and dont want generally a bad quality audio track either. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/265715-ripping/#findComment-4022946 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brutuz Posted January 21, 2007 Share Posted January 21, 2007 I have my AC/DC tracks at 128Kbs, and its good quality, I don't get people who say that its crap quality . Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/265715-ripping/#findComment-4023189 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star-Lord Posted January 21, 2007 Share Posted January 21, 2007 I've been ripping my CDA's and HDD tracks for a long time now. I usually use mp3 at 192 bitrate to me it sounds perfect. I guess it matters to some but I think it is also depending on your sound card,speakers or the device you'll be playing it on and how much space you have free on your hard Disc. Trust me some great Surround Sound speakers will make a big difference. And yes if you convert from a low bitrate to higher it will still sound good. Comercial audio CD's are 128 bitrate(Standard) Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/265715-ripping/#findComment-4023260 Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Andreas Nut Posted January 21, 2007 Author Share Posted January 21, 2007 ok thanks you can change the bitrate to lossless(WAV) in WMP , I only realised I hadnt changed the bitrate till we had already done most of the cds at 192, which aint too bad for me, but I did the last one in 320, we didnt wanna wait to do them all in 320 again. @pctechguy: are you sure? I heard it was like 1000kbps or something for commercial CD's Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/265715-ripping/#findComment-4023628 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadyd Posted January 21, 2007 Share Posted January 21, 2007 The bitrate on CDs is just over 1411 kbps, i'm not sure where he got 128 from, if that was the case why would you rip audio at a greater bitrate than it originally was? Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/265715-ripping/#findComment-4023740 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Svip Posted January 21, 2007 Share Posted January 21, 2007 Like I said, CDs come in the raw format, which is about 1400kbps. Also, don't confuse raw and lossless. WAV may be *lossless*, but it is indeed not lossless, it is raw. Something like FLAC is lossless. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/265715-ripping/#findComment-4023770 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoZero Posted January 21, 2007 Share Posted January 21, 2007 People who say 128kbps is fine should get a better sound card and speaker system. 192kbps is a minimum to keep an acceptable quality. 224kbps sounds pretty much as good as Audio CD's. 320kbps is just exhagerated, takes up too much space and the quality increase is minimal. There'll always be some quality loss with MP3, if you don't want that use a lossless format like FLAC. Losless meaning, compressed but without any quality loss, so it doesn't take up a huge amount of space like WAV files (though it still takes up a lot). Burning MP3 to Audio CD, then ripping it back to MP3 again will probably result in noticable quality loss, especially if the source (first) mp3 was less than 224kbps. Converting lower bitrate mp3s to higher ones is pointless, the quality will not change (or not improve at least, might even go down), and it will only take up more harddisk space. Making 1:1 copies from a real 'bought' Audio CD (not one burned from MP3s), works without any quality loss, copy an Audio CD as often as you want and the quality will not go down. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/265715-ripping/#findComment-4023925 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brutuz Posted January 22, 2007 Share Posted January 22, 2007 Dude, I have a good sound card and speakers and 128kbs is fine, unless your ears are really sensitive or something.... Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/265715-ripping/#findComment-4024219 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Posted January 22, 2007 Share Posted January 22, 2007 People who say 128kbps is fine should get a better sound card and speaker system. 192kbps is a minimum to keep an acceptable quality. 224kbps sounds pretty much as good as Audio CD's. 320kbps is just exhagerated, takes up too much space and the quality increase is minimal. I definitely agree. Back in the day of free (and illegal) Napster, I went with 128 because that's basically all that's available on such P2P networks. When I began ripping my own CDs, I made the step up to 192 with very noticeable improvements in quality. Now I'm starting to move into the 256ish rate. I don't know if my ears have become more sensitive, if they've always been sensitive or if I'm imagining things, but I prefer 256 to 192, although I find 192 perfectly acceptable. EAC (Toadyd linked you to it) is my preference as far as ripping tools go. Brutuz, you probably have deafened ears from listening to AC/DC rock the f*ck out with the volume at full. I don't blame you. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/265715-ripping/#findComment-4024459 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saggy Posted January 22, 2007 Share Posted January 22, 2007 128 kb/s is completely reasonable to me, but I only have one functioning ear. I actually like a variable bit-rate of 192kbs-256kbs. I can't really believe no one has brought up variable bit-rates. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/265715-ripping/#findComment-4024490 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoZero Posted January 22, 2007 Share Posted January 22, 2007 Dude, I have a good sound card and speakers and 128kbs is fine, unless your ears are really sensitive or something.... It also depends on the kind of music. AC/DC is awesome music, but the musical tone and volume is pertty much the same through the entire song. Now if you compare it to some fine pieces of Beethoven's piano sonatas then you you'll notice that it includes a lot more high and low tones mixed and the volume goes up through intense parts and down on slower parts. If you encode both with 128kbps and 192kbps, the difference in a piece of Beethoven will be a lot more obvious, the high tone range will be cut off at a lower bitrate, you'll really notice that things start to sound 'flat'. Most default encoders (such as WMP) also try to regulate the volume which makes it even more obvious, though in a proper Mp3 encoder that can be turned off. There is still a difference noticable in AC/DC aswell of course, but it's not as annoying. If I have the option I would always go for 192kbps or higher, it really doesn't take up much more disk space (and that shouldn't matter much anyway since you can nearly get 200gb hdd's for free these days). And variable bitrate is an option too, although that is not properly supported by all players (still all 'popular' ones, winamp, wmp, itunes etc should work fine with it). Variable bitrates can maintain a high quality and takes up a bit less disk space. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/265715-ripping/#findComment-4024689 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brutuz Posted January 22, 2007 Share Posted January 22, 2007 Brutuz, you probably have deafened ears from listening to AC/DC rock the f*ck out with the volume at full. I don't blame you. Nah, I have it low usually, I'm always up late and can't wake up others Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/265715-ripping/#findComment-4024694 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star-Lord Posted January 23, 2007 Share Posted January 23, 2007 CDA's have always been at 128 bitrate. Sure they cant go higher but record companys preferred the 128 bitrate standard because they can add more songs to the Disk. I wish they would go higher it would make them sound sweeter! But that would mean less songs for us. I found this site with some good infor: SmartComputing Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/265715-ripping/#findComment-4025251 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star-Lord Posted January 23, 2007 Share Posted January 23, 2007 Brutuz, you probably have deafened ears from listening to AC/DC rock the f*ck out with the volume at full. I don't blame you. Nah, I have it low usually, I'm always up late and can't wake up others AC/DC Rocks Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/265715-ripping/#findComment-4025252 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Svip Posted January 23, 2007 Share Posted January 23, 2007 CDA's have always been at 128 bitrate. Sure they cant go higher but record companys preferred the 128 bitrate standard because they can add more songs to the Disk. I wish they would go higher it would make them sound sweeter! But that would mean less songs for us. I found this site with some good infor: SmartComputing How wrong you are. If so, then how is possible to store so many mp3s on a CD? Also, why can flac (when at encoding time takes the best possible bitrate at that point) be a lot higher than 128kbps? Lastly, even Wikipedia disagrees: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitrate#Other_audio Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/265715-ripping/#findComment-4025296 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star-Lord Posted January 24, 2007 Share Posted January 24, 2007 CDA's have always been at 128 bitrate. Sure they cant go higher but record companys preferred the 128 bitrate standard because they can add more songs to the Disk. I wish they would go higher it would make them sound sweeter! But that would mean less songs for us. I found this site with some good infor: SmartComputing How wrong you are. If so, then how is possible to store so many mp3s on a CD? Also, why can flac (when at encoding time takes the best possible bitrate at that point) be a lot higher than 128kbps? Lastly, even Wikipedia disagrees: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitrate#Other_audio Holy crap! You are right I've been always thinking it was 128. Since Windows Media player always displays 128 Bitrate as default. My bad! Thanks for pointing that out. Dee Dee Dee. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/265715-ripping/#findComment-4026660 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brutuz Posted January 24, 2007 Share Posted January 24, 2007 Brutuz, you probably have deafened ears from listening to AC/DC rock the f*ck out with the volume at full. I don't blame you. Nah, I have it low usually, I'm always up late and can't wake up others AC/DC Rocks If anyone disagrees with that statement, they have to die Anyways, All my CDs (about 5) have different Bitrats depending on the amount of tracks, on one on my Gorillaz Singles, 4 tracks 1500kbs, my Wild Summer Party, 2tracks, 1411Kbs, although the program I used to get his might of been wrong, I might try on my other system.... Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/265715-ripping/#findComment-4026849 Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Andreas Nut Posted January 25, 2007 Author Share Posted January 25, 2007 (edited) thx very much for your help fellas's. I just ripped "Stone Temple Pilots" - "Thankyou" album in WMP using "WAV(lossless)" because the download site for EAC was down, anyway when I insert the original audio cd and listen to it compared to my ripped tracks, the ripped tracks seem louder for some reason.. can anyone explain? EDIT: Also, how can I tell what bitrate the "Audio Tracks" were at when they were in .mp3 form? any way? currently I am just ripping all at 320 bitrate after ripping my "bought" cd's in lossless. Edited January 25, 2007 by San Andreas Nut Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/265715-ripping/#findComment-4027837 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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