The Ugly Tone At GTAForums lately

[Old School Hustla]

I don't go as far back as original members like GTA Freak 2001 for example, but I've been on these forums long enough to notice the obvious and negative changes in the way people are treated here these days. And I'm sure that the guys that go further back see it too. If you make a mistake and post something repetitive you're flamed. You have a difference of opinion, your "a retard". And it's not one on one. Make a wrong move and the first moron is joined by a half a dozen of his seventh grade buddies in insulting you. This site used to be about information, ideas, and comaraderie. But frankly since San Andreas faded out it's been dominated by know-it-all assholes that are out of control. I don't know what the administrators of this site can do short of charging a fee via Paypal or Credit Card to weed out most of the problem, but I'd like to see some sort of cleanup.

[Durka Durka Mahn]

That's what happens when a community is open for a long time, and people being to think they're better than everyone else. IMO there are some things that just get out of hand, for example people who always have horrible grammar.. But overall yes I agree with you, alot of people here (and other forums I've been to) think they're better than everyone else. I myself haven't seen any huge flames going around.. seeing as I only check out this forum but I'm sure it goes on elsewhere. Bans should be handed out to people who flame horribly and crap like that.

[Gantons Most Wanted]

i agree with you both about that and same with me DDM i only come here to check my pm or get codes converted you know to get somthing useful out of the forums not a bunch of assholes constantly flamming somebody just because they have a different point of view than them

[tuareg]

First of all, this thread should have been started here, on second, i have to agree with you. when i was new, and i started a new topic, whenever some popular member showed up and started flaming at me for the topic, other members came and flamed my ass off too. But there where other members such as anuj, who never flamed at me even if i did make a worthless topic. Actually, once you've been here for a while, the same thing happens to you. When i see a pointless topic, i can hardly get over the urge of flaming. You get annoyed by stupid threads.

 

 

If you make a mistake and post something repetitive you're flamed. You have a difference of opinion, your "a retard".

 

Well there are members who respect you from the start. Not everyone is like that sadly.

[Vanillainy]

'Tis the season to be jolly!

 

Just ignore the forum trolls, some people are here to make freinds and chat but some are here to 'big up' their tinternets ego.

 

[Carlito_Brigante]

I wouldn't stereotype all the new people, but alot of the folks from around 2006 are bad. I know this ain't a college class for english, but you could at least type slightly normal.

 

"yo 1 f0rg0tz wat teh ch3tz 4 VCS waszzzss"

 

 

Not a good look

[Brutuz]

This is what happens when you close The Pit, built up anger at other members.

[TenaciousD.]

Why is this in VCS General Discussion?

 

I agree that people are a bit more negative to some (mainly the newer members) but for most members they've been here since Pre-SA, they have experienced all the "BIGFOOT OMG!!! PIZ INSIDE" topics of SA, all the "CAN I GET LCS ON MY PC?" topics and the VCS "OMG VINCE DIES IN VC!" topics. If your a sensible member who thinks before you post then no-ones negative to you, when I joined I pissed off a few people but now I'm an older, more experienced member I know what to avoid.

 

If your a good member you get a good reputation

If your a bad member you get a bad reputation

[Gantons Most Wanted]

well least everyone who's posted gets the idea an notice's what has been going on i know that in order for the forums to keep going you have to get new members but some are just idiots who post there problems about the game every few minutes or if they've been here a couple of months they act like they run the forums n talk down to people it jsut really takes the p*ss

[lord fido]

If your a good member you get a good reputation

If your a bad member you get a bad reputation

You are wrong. If you are a good member you get karma stars . If you are a bad member you get banned.

 

BTW, why is the cop busting called "miranda"?

[Nick Papagiorgio]

I wouldn't stereotype all the new people, but alot of the folks from around 2006 are bad. I know this ain't a college class for english, but you could at least type slightly normal.

 

"yo 1 f0rg0tz wat teh ch3tz 4 VCS waszzzss"

 

 

Not a good look

Well I guess that makes me one of the few 2006 members that type normally. IMO, I'm not a bad member. I tell it like it is, in worthless, overdone topics. And I help those who need it.

[tuareg]

Well I guess that makes me one of the few 2006 members that type normally. IMO, I'm not a bad member. I tell it like it is, in worthless, overdone topics. And I help those who need it.

I second that. You can come across assholes everywhere actually. This site is no acception

[Durka Durka Mahn]

I agree, Grammar is probably the FIRST thing you will notice about any new member, at any forum. Having to go through 15 times trying to figure out exactly what the hell they were trying to say was, gets quite frustrating, and you will have the tendency to flame.. But still I do see some people everywhere, anywhere on the internet, who flame just to make themselves feel big, which truly.. They aren't.

[lord fido]

They also need PUNCTUATION.

[Kippers]

but for most members they've been here since Pre-SA, they have experienced all the "BIGFOOT OMG!!! PIZ INSIDE" topics of SA.

Mind you, those bigfoot topics were hella funny!

 

Yeah, i agree on a certain degree of what you're saying, hings do seem to be a bit stricter, but it's just the new generation of maturer members. A different generation of members will tolerate things differently from the previous 'new' generation of members, so change is to be expected really.

 

Being flamed for repeting a topic should never happen but as you said there are a few twatty n00bs that just join to piss poeple off and get banned. If you ignore it, see what topics there are and not make similar topics for questions that have already been answered you should be fine.

[Ben]

Half of the problem is that a lot of the new members are just lazy - they expect to be handed everything on a silver platter and not have to work for any of it. I'm talking about ignorance of forum banners and/or pinned topics, disregard of the search function, and a trigger-happy finger on the New Topic button instead of reading and trying to find the answer themselves. At the risk of offending the topic starter, this topic is a perfect example - originally posted in the VCS forums?

 

Also, I see that a lot of people refer to flaming that goes on here. The solution to it is simple - report the post where it occurs and then a mod/admin will get around to dishing out an appropriate punishment. Perhaps if more people read the rules we wouldn't have this problem. If people used common sense then maybe they might get respected more and not "flamed". Keep in mind too that there's a difference between getting flamed and getting your feelings/ego hurt/deflated - a flame is an outright personal attack on someone, whereas a respons such as this only deflates someone's ego somewhat. If you do something stupid, then don't expect everyone to let it go - but on the same token, you don't need to be told off by the next 20 people. I agree that there is perhaps something of an issue here, but I think that a lot of the problem rests with the new members. Perhaps they ought to just sit back and watch what goes on for a while until they get the hang of how things work here - the same goes for the "flamers" - if you don't have something worthwhile to add, then simply don't click the Add Reply button.

 

[jarjar]

Ben has a good point, the sites only becoming like this because of a handful of people (usually new members) who think there above the rules here. Not to mention the laziness of some people these days, some older members who continually put in hard work into topic/guides/tutorials/help etc cop crap from these new members because they don't like the fact someone else if doing more then them. Then you have others who do nothing, and expect karma and help when THEY need it. This is a community, you help each other out or you won't get anything in return. Same as it works in the real world.

 

In response to flaming, I think the reason it gets so big these days is once again, laziness. Some people make a topic or a suggestion without thinking first. Flaming is against the rules, but it's always around, no matter how big or small. If you read the rules, thought about what you we're gonna post, posted some evidence to support it and show you researched it before just posting something then generally speaking, you should not have a problem. The other way around it is just to report the topic/post in question, and don't reply with a smart arse comment unless it is absolutely necessary. At the end of the day, the admins and moderators here are very good at their job, they know what there doing and how to resolve problems, so leave it up to them.

[Rashon.]

I agree, Grammar is probably the FIRST thing you will notice about any new member, at any forum. Having to go through 15 times trying to figure out exactly what the hell they were trying to say was, gets quite frustrating, and you will have the tendency to flame.. But still I do see some people everywhere, anywhere on the internet, who flame just to make themselves feel big, which truly.. They aren't.

Yeah, I agree completely with that, too. Sometimes bad grammar may be caused by English not being someone's first language, which is completely understandable, IMO but some still act like assholes anyway or just because someone's just too lazy to use commas, punctuation, or capital letters in front of sentences which personally I don't get. Sometimes for some reason, I get annoyed when someone types "gta" or "Gta" instead of "GTA" but that's the way I am.

[liesofsilence]

Well I guess that makes me one of the few 2006 members that type normally. IMO, I'm not a bad member. I tell it like it is, in worthless, overdone topics. And I help those who need it.

I second that. You can come across assholes everywhere actually. This site is no acception

No hard feelings but I think you might be talking about exception.

[tuareg]

 

exception.

Woops, sorry . See? Theres [/proper] grammer, right there. Those capslock typed posts, and !!!!!1!!!1!! make me want to flame. Its annoying.

 

Edit: This topic could actually get interesting.

[Old School Hustla]

I posted this thread in VCS discussion for a reason. That is where you can find an example of everything that's wrong. I understand when you see the 4236th post of a VCS to PS2 thread you cringe. But why not just say "Been there, Done that" and not bother even opening it? Let's face it, this time next year we'll see 4236 GTA4 to PC threads. Of which I'll read only the first 1 or 2. I think a lot of guy here actually like the repetitive threads. They see it as as opportunity to condescend and pound the sh*t of of some poor dope that just isn't very internet forum savvy. It's just not cool.

[GM Dude]

I don't go as far back as original members like GTA Freak 2001 for example, but I've been on these forums long enough to notice the obvious and negative changes in the way people are treated here these days. And I'm sure that the guys that go further back see it too. If you make a mistake and post something repetitive you're flamed. You have a difference of opinion, your "a retard". And it's not one on one. Make a wrong move and the first moron is joined by a half a dozen of his seventh grade buddies in insulting you. This site used to be about information, ideas, and comaraderie. But frankly since San Andreas faded out it's been dominated by know-it-all assholes that are out of control. I don't know what the administrators of this site can do short of charging a fee via Paypal or Credit Card to weed out most of the problem, but I'd like to see some sort of cleanup.

I usually just ignore that sh*t, but I do agree with you in the way that something that needs to be done with those who negatively take advantage of new members.

 

@Ben: That is true for a few people, but what about those who actually aren't lazy?

 

@Gman91: Don't forget me, LOL.

 

 

[Mark]

Ugly tone. Don't like? Go away.

 

Oh, and no, that's not an elitist comment by a long way. I'm just stating that this is a forum, there are many other places to chat, it's a free country, if you don't like people here, go elsewhere, simple. People won't change to what you tell em to.

Edited December 17, 2006 by GTAuron

[Luke]

 

Ugly tone. Don't like? Go away.

 

Oh, and no, that's not an elitist comment by a long way. I'm just stating that this is a forum, there are many other places to chat, it's a free country, if you don't like people here, go elsewhere, simple. People won't change to what you tell em to.

His point is rather that those who wont change should be the ones going away, not the people who are somewhat more decent being scared off by elitists.

 

edit: @topic, I kind of agree - the forums are currently going through one of their sh*ttier periods, though if I'm honest, we've always had problems with arrogance towards newer members - there's just less moderation going on in between major GTA releases and whatnot.

Edited December 17, 2006 by Luke

[Mark]

Should be, but that's just not feasable. Best thing is to find a new online community to hang about with. For example, in real life I wouldn't hang about with people I didn't like would I? I'd go find someone else to be mates with.

 

This topics just a bitching topic. The solution is for yourself to leave.

[Gantons Most Wanted]

@GTAuron - i get what your saying but we were here first not before you obviously but before these new members yeah we all go there once but its just irritating like you answer a question that might be valid or put your point across and you get flamed by these lilsh*theads who've only been here like a few weeks an another real life situation like yours what if you an your mates were there before the people who ruined it came along would ypu just leave or would you stay because you have the right an have been going there longer ??? i mean i don't have a problem with the forums its great if it wasn't for this place i wouldn't of been able to enhance my GTA Experience i mean i come here to get codes for my cheat disc an maps for things within the game but its just the sh*tty tone you get from asking a question an then there like oh use the search button next time when you did in the first place but i respect alot of the people on this forum because there are alot of good people who acctually do somthing an help out but its just those who drop smartass remarks just because they already know about it but theres a simple solution just don't post only reason they flame is to get there post count up i've been here a year an a week nearly an things have gone downhill a little but the mods do a great job its just with what happened with that topic where that guy started to make a petition it got to the 3rd page and it was kicking off between him an other members an it took 2 pages before it was locked just took a bit too long before it got put a stop too an then when you make a point to those members who are assh*les an made a point they ignore you because they don't like it but anyway thats what i think i just hope things improve here an if this is just a bitching topic you should see those topics about VCS people getting p*ssed off just over a few glitches its jsut a game

[Nick Papagiorgio]

I get what ya'll are saying. The newer/est members (esp. after teh release of VCS), have been acting like they run the place. They ask for help, they get it, but they act like major assholes when they get it. Then there are those members who don't want to listen to other peoples opinions, and goes on to b*tch about how he didn't get it his way (i.e. th person who started the VCS Petition topic). Then there are more members who act like the "tough guys".

Catalina put it best when she said, "You, you are all the same. F*ck this, f*ck that. Well f*ck you!"( ).

 

But there are those who help, and unfortunatley, they are not the ones who are ever heard/shown in the forums. It's always the assholes. "One rotten apple, spoils the bunch." (<I think that's how it goes)

[Ben]

@Ben: That is true for a few people, but what about those who actually aren't lazy?

If they're not lazy, then what are they? Ignorant? sh*t-stirrers? Morons?

 

IMO, it doesn't really matter what reason there is for their actions - bottom line, it's inexcusable. If they aren't going to abide by some basic forum etiquette, then they shouldn't expect to be treated in a friendly manner. As I said before though, that doesn't mean they should be flamed either - they're just more likely to be treated coldly, perhaps with a smartarse comment thrown their way.

 

Heck, no one's perfect - I was once a newbie too. But I think a lot of the difference is that I learned the first time (and this is true for plenty of other members as well) - a lot of the current newer members just keep doing the same things over and over, no matter how many times they are told/shown otherwise. And that's why I say a lot of the problem is the newer members themselves.

[Old School Hustla]

Maybe GTAuron is right. Maybe it's an asshole's world and the rest of us are the visitors. Let's face it, no forum is idiot-proof. It would be nice to have a more civil GTAForums rather than looking elsewhere. If it's something that can be at least improved, that would be great. That's all I'm saying.

[Justin]

Just to add, you're under no obligation to actually read anything you find to have an 'ugly' tone. If you don't like it, you can just leave (be it the topic or the forums as a whole if it becomes unbearable).

 

In the nicest way possible.

 

But yeah, Ben's pretty much bang on - too often being chastised constructively for being in the wrong is confused with 'flaming'.

 

edit didn't realise GTAuron basically covered that. My bad.