Brutuz Posted November 28, 2006 Share Posted November 28, 2006 My CPU has been running slow (see here) and I also think that I might need to upgrade, I don't have much cash and can't change my Graphics card and DDR2 RAM looks too expensive for me at the moment, I've been looking at this CPU and this motherboard (yeah I know its discontinued, but I can get one at the local computer swapmeet) Keep in mind I need AGP, 2 IDE slots and DDR because I can't upgrade the Graphics card and the RAM or the HDD, etc and I've got 2x optical drives and 2 HDDs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*gta star* Posted November 28, 2006 Share Posted November 28, 2006 "Intel Pentium 4" is a good processor, lots of people have them and I've heard that they are really good. The Motherboard doesn't look too bad either, it's not badly priced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brutuz Posted November 30, 2006 Author Share Posted November 30, 2006 Are there any other thing needed to be said about these before I buy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*gta star* Posted November 30, 2006 Share Posted November 30, 2006 I wouldn't think so mate, but make sure that you have all the relevant things that you need. For example, your AGP, 2 IDE Slots, DDR, 2 optical drivers and your 2 HDD's. Check that you'll have all the space for the above on your Motherboard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozzy Fozborne Posted November 30, 2006 Share Posted November 30, 2006 (edited) Good choice on the motherboard. It's becoming impossible to find AGP Motherboards and cards that are reasonably modern. An alternative to that P4, you could get This Pentium D 2.8 for the same price. The 3.0 would be slightly faster for doing one task at a time, but the dual core would be MUCH faster at multitasking. This seems like sort of a bad time to upgrade, though. I'd suggest waiting for more money so that you can buy parts that you can upgrade further down the road. If you went PCI-E, you could buy an eVGA 7600GT for only $99, and your system would be more upgradeable later. Just a couple suggestions, the choice is yours. Edited November 30, 2006 by Fozzy Fozborne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*gta star* Posted November 30, 2006 Share Posted November 30, 2006 That seems true mate, I have the Pentium 4 Core Duo 2 Processor and that is brilliant at multi-tasking, big programs too... no problem. Maybe you should wait a bit longer and get the money for a Core Duo Processor because believe me it's a good option and you won't regret it. It's entirely up to you though ! Inform me on what you're going to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brutuz Posted December 1, 2006 Author Share Posted December 1, 2006 Well I mainly play games, but when I do web Browsing I have Firefox 2.0, Winamp, MSN and Notepad open half the time, I've heard games like SA run fast with Duel core, So what should I do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*gta star* Posted December 1, 2006 Share Posted December 1, 2006 Well, the Core Duo 2 Processor is probably the fastest processor on the market right now and the newest. The Dual Core is an 'all round' processor, you could have a game open, Firefox, MSN and a few more programs and it could handle it no problem. My compute has the Dual Core 2 processor and 2Gb's of RAM, I really recommend that you save a few more quid and buy one because it's really worth it. The Dual Core processor has two chips, 1.86Ghz each (on my Motherboard anyway), therefore the speed of your computer with that processor would be 3.72 Ghz, which is extremely fast. If you get 2gb's of RAM like me, you'll be able to handle loads of stuff at once, 'multi-tasking' as it is phrased. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brutuz Posted December 1, 2006 Author Share Posted December 1, 2006 Well atm I have 1 Gb of RAM, I think I might get the Pentium then save up for a top of the line Core 2 Duo or if get enough money maybe even a Extreme thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pranjal Posted December 1, 2006 Share Posted December 1, 2006 The Dual Core processor has two chips, 1.86Ghz each (on my Motherboard anyway), therefore the speed of your computer with that processor would be 3.72 Ghz, which is extremely fast. It doesnot have 2 chips, but it has two execution cores on one die.So, if your Core Duo frequency says 1.86Ghz ,it means that both the cores are functioning simultaneously at a maximum frequency of 1.86Ghz each and not 3.72Ghz which you are claiming. The total frequency never adds up serially. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*gta star* Posted December 1, 2006 Share Posted December 1, 2006 My computer is absoleutly rapid, so that would mean that is this computer has a 1.86Ghz chip, that's slower than my last computer, that was 2.0 Ghz and that was a Celeron processor. That cannot be possible because I can play games on this, have AOL open, MSN open with aload of conversations at once. My last computer struggled to have MSN and Microsoft Word open (2ghz), so I don't actually understand what you are referring to because the person that made this computer told me everything about it. I've been next to a computer that was 3.4 Ghz and used it, this new computer of mine is still faster than that and my computer has as much data on it. Well atm I have 1 Gb of RAM, I think I might get the Pentium then save up for a top of the line Core 2 Duo or if get enough money maybe even a Extreme That's good to hear mate, really choice my friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gillies Posted December 1, 2006 Share Posted December 1, 2006 Probably best not to think about the megahertz thing too much. e.g. Athlon 64 from 2004 were only about 2 GHz and were usually faster than a Pentium 4 with 3.0 B, c, or D GHz! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pranjal Posted December 1, 2006 Share Posted December 1, 2006 My computer is absoleutly rapid, so that would mean that is this computer has a 1.86Ghz chip, that's slower than my last computer, that was 2.0 Ghz and that was a Celeron processor. That cannot be possible because I can play games on this, have AOL open, MSN open with aload of conversations at once. My last computer struggled to have MSN and Microsoft Word open (2ghz), so I don't actually understand what you are referring to because the person that made this computer told me everything about it. I've been next to a computer that was 3.4 Ghz and used it, this new computer of mine is still faster than that and my computer has as much data on it. That is because of the following reasons: 1. Core2 Duo has 2MB-4MB cache while Celeron D has 256KB-512KB cache memory only. 2. The Front Serial Bus(FSB) of Core 2 Duo is 667 Mhz while that of Celeron is 400-533Mhz. 3.Last but not the least, two separate cores along with high bandwidth transfer is possible only in Core2 Duo and not in Celeron or Pentium4. So, even a 3.4 Ghz P4 will be less productive than a 2.0-2.33Ghz Core2 Duo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*gta star* Posted December 1, 2006 Share Posted December 1, 2006 All I know is that my computer is fast, a brilliant processor for multi-tasting, that's all I need and it's certainly good enough for me. What processor do you have Pranjal ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pranjal Posted December 2, 2006 Share Posted December 2, 2006 (edited) All I know is that my computer is fast, a brilliant processor for multi-tasting, that's all I need and it's certainly good enough for me. What processor do you have Pranjal ? Yeah, since you have Core2 Duo, you shouldn't worry about performance, cache and thermal management issues which plague the older processors My older laptop ,a Toshiba Satellite, is having Celeron D 2.8 while the newer is having Core2 Duo 2.16 Edited December 2, 2006 by Pranjal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*gta star* Posted December 2, 2006 Share Posted December 2, 2006 Sounds good mate, what used to annoy me was people used to say Celeron processors were sh*t and slow, I didn't find that problem at all, I thought they were fairly fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3niX Posted December 2, 2006 Share Posted December 2, 2006 Well... Sounds good mate, what used to annoy me was people used to say Celeron processors were sh*t and slow, I didn't find that problem at all, I thought they were fairly fast. It all depends on what your general system spec. was. It doesnt all depend on one component. And yeah, GHz dont really show the full potential or power of the CPU. Intel was in a struggle for a long time because AMD, which had lower speeds, still ran better and faster. Then they came up with Core 2 Duo which now pwns every single processor meant for general public, even though its rated around 2.0 GHz. Plus its now cooler and needs less energy than some P4s. @topic- Patience is a virtue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*gta star* Posted December 2, 2006 Share Posted December 2, 2006 I suppose that's a relevant point, Core 2 Duo Processors are really fast in my opinion, like you said aswell, they pwn all other processors on the market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pranjal Posted December 2, 2006 Share Posted December 2, 2006 (edited) Sounds good mate, what used to annoy me was people used to say Celeron processors were sh*t and slow, I didn't find that problem at all, I thought they were fairly fast. Once I overclocked a Celeron D processor(not mine) from 2.8 Ghz to 3.51 Ghz(stable).At that frequency , it performed the graphics tests, real time tests and other CPU intensive tests with flying colours.You will be surprised to know that at 3.51 Ghz ,the Celeron D performed almost at par with an Intel Pentium 4 2.8Ghz in several demanding games like Half Life2 , Doom 3 and Quake4. So, basically,it also depends on how you are going to tweak a processor safely and successfully. Also,BTW, GTASA runs in my older laptop (CeleronD,2.8Ghz) with 20-25 frames per sec at medium resolution (1024X768,32 bit, medium detail).So, don't argue with people trying to say Celeron D is sh*t. Also notice that Celeron D is better than Celeron because it supports EM64 technology from Intel. Oh I almost forgot about Core2Duo. They have left AMD far behind in performance. Edited December 2, 2006 by Pranjal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brutuz Posted December 2, 2006 Author Share Posted December 2, 2006 yeah, someone overclocked one to 5Ghz Anyways, I found this Mobo, would it be better, also I went downtown to local computer stores and they said that AGP + Core 2 Duo = Nono, I think that they're wrong, but Core 2 Duos can be expensive over here, o I want to make sure it will work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*gta star* Posted December 2, 2006 Share Posted December 2, 2006 ^What price range are we talking here ? Where do you live ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozzy Fozborne Posted December 2, 2006 Share Posted December 2, 2006 You need an older (Pentium 4, Pentium D, Celeron, Celeron D) socket LGA775 CPU in order to flash the BIOS to get that motherboard to work with Core 2 duo. Also, I doubt you care, but the PCI-E socket is only 4x, so upgrading to a PCI-E gfx card later will make the card run slower. And, the SATA sockets are only 1.5 Gb/s, but the difference between 3.0 and 1.5 Gb/s is not really that much. Besides those 3 things, it's a good overall motherboard. Reviews Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brutuz Posted December 2, 2006 Author Share Posted December 2, 2006 ^What price range are we talking here ? Where do you live ? Ballarat, Victoria, Australia, The place of the Eureka Stockade and by expensive I mean AU$500+ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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