Did Vic Vance die in Vice City, Circa. 1986?

[Zee]

I think that Lance didn't know Vic was dead until after the deal. It makes sense. It was all a takeover plot by Sonny. Vic goes up north to arrange the deal with Sonny, Sonny whacks Vic and puts him in the freezer, all thats left is the deal to go bad after that point. I know you're getting alot of flak, but good eye and good work chngdman.

The thing is, Vic was no longer running his empire after the end of VCS which makes it pointless for him arranging deals and stuff besides, why would he befriend the Forelli's when he kills quite a few of them in VCS.

I get the vibe this was supposed to be the one last smash-and-grab deal, to be rid of the coke once and for all, in Vics mind.

[Flesh-n-Bone]

 

I get the vibe this was supposed to be the one last smash-and-grab deal, to be rid of the coke once and for all, in Vics mind.

If you have seen the final cutscene for VCS, you hear Vic officially confirming that he is no longer interested in cocaine and any crime since he's got what he was out for and can finally pay his brothers bills.

 

And being black and wearing a suit doesn't make it seem like Vic anymore than it already was, for me at least. I mean it's like assuming every dark skinned guy on a video game with a suit is Vic.

[chngdman]

 

I think that Lance didn't know Vic was dead until after the deal. It makes sense. It was all a takeover plot by Sonny. Vic goes up north to arrange the deal with Sonny, Sonny whacks Vic and puts him in the freezer, all thats left is the deal to go bad after that point. I know you're getting alot of flak, but good eye and good work chngdman.

The thing is, Vic was no longer running his empire after the end of VCS which makes it pointless for him arranging deals and stuff besides, why would he befriend the Forelli's when he kills quite a few of them in VCS.

No, see, you think you know, but that's not true.

 

You still do all the empire building etc. Shoot guns. all of that after the story. The story is not the end of Vic Vance, the first moments of the first scene of VC is where he is hanging on the meat hook. That IS vic vance.

 

You still build empires. You don't quit is all and move on to a legit life. It isn't over at the end of the story. It is over when Vic gets hung on that meat hook.

 

Go beat the story. I bet you can still run your illegal businesses. I bet you can still build empires. Yup. No One is out until They Are Dead. And as you can see, Vic is on a meat hook (the need for glasses or not)

 

 

If you have seen the final cutscene for VCS, you hear Vic officially confirming that he is no longer interested in cocaine and any crime since he's got what he was out for and can finally pay his brothers bills.

 

This is a good point. But as you can see by the opening scenes of GTA VC, and the fact that the game doesn't end when you beat the story and you still do all that illegal sh*t when you are sandboxing, I would have to say he just couldn't get out. You KNOW his brother didnt get out. Niether of them did. And Vic's way out was the meat hook. Can't deny it unless ur biased for one of us. lol.

Edited March 8, 2009 by chngdman

[Smiley001]

The story is not the end of Vic Vance, the first moments of the first scene of VC is where he is hanging on the meat hook. That IS vic vance.

 

Ok let's say that this is true, and who might be the guy with Lance during the drug deal?

[Rucke]

If you have seen the final cutscene for VCS, you hear Vic officially confirming that he is no longer interested in cocaine and any crime since he's got what he was out for and can finally pay his brothers bills.

 

Vic was easy to persuade. It's possibly that Lance persuaded him to sell the coke and continue their criminal lifestyle.

[Dingdongs]

I can't say it was either.

For all intensive purposes, Vic Vance didn't even exist in the GTA world when GTA Vice City was made. So technically, when VC was made it wasn't Vic Vance that died.

 

HOWEVER- When they made VCS, R* may have decided that it was Vic at the beginning.. you will never know for sure theres not enough proof for either so it's really just a moot argument.

[Zee]

I get the vibe this was supposed to be the one last smash-and-grab deal, to be rid of the coke once and for all, in Vics mind.

If you have seen the final cutscene for VCS, you hear Vic officially confirming that he is no longer interested in cocaine and any crime since he's got what he was out for and can finally pay his brothers bills.

 

And being black and wearing a suit doesn't make it seem like Vic anymore than it already was, for me at least. I mean it's like assuming every dark skinned guy on a video game with a suit is Vic.

he may say that but the fact of the matter is that the drug deal at the begnning of VC was set up by the Vance brothers. Now since pete didn't exist in 2002 it has to be Vic.

[chngdman]

 

The story is not the end of Vic Vance, the first moments of the first scene of VC is where he is hanging on  the meat hook. That IS vic vance.

 

Ok let's say that this is true, and who might be the guy with Lance during the drug deal?

That's Cuban Pete (thus allll this confusion)

 

The guy that dies in the cutscene drug deal is the reason we have ALL this confusion. If that scene was never called Vic, and people actually noticed the first rule of visual story telling: Everything Is In the Scene For A Reason, then we would all see that Vic Vance is in the first scene of Vice City. It is classic storytelling in this manner.

 

I'm so adamant about it because to miss this detail is to miss the whole reason Tommy was even sent to VC, in turn, missing the whole connection between VCS and VC.

 

NYC mafia works closely with Miami mafia. This was all becoming like this at the mid-eighties. Thus, VC and VCS show how the mafia took control of Miami, as before that it was just shady dealings with coke runners and travel bags...

 

Vic went to do a meeting, got double crossed, then they sent the hired guns to kill lance and "who cares if tommy gets killed - if he doesn't he's our sentry, w.e."

 

With the Vance brothers out of the way (remember, lance is in hiding, and his brother is already dead) then the Mafia can make a move against Diaz, using tommy to get close.

 

This is all prior to them trying to then take tommy out of the picture, remember.

 

Many plot points and details of the story in VCS are fabrications and make other things in VC not make sense, as well. Like the white lady/coke in VC becoming an actual white woman in VCS... Stuff like that.

 

Cuban Pete, not Pete Vance. And I think Pete Vance lives in Georgia or something like that with the Vance boys' mom. But this end part, don't mix it with the Vic/Meathook scene, because that's really the only part I'm dead-sure about.

 

It's the whole reason it was time to send someone like Tommy out there anyway: One of the two major powers (vances and diaz) was knocked out - now it was time to get close to Diaz and take him over.... Of course, you learn later in Vice City 86 that Lance knows what's going on the whole time, and sides with the takeover and later, after taking out diaz, tries to take back VC in the name of his family.... Get close to the enemy.... Vic is on the meat hook

Edited March 8, 2009 by chngdman

[Smiley001]

 

The story is not the end of Vic Vance, the first moments of the first scene of VC is where he is hanging on  the meat hook. That IS vic vance.

 

Ok let's say that this is true, and who might be the guy with Lance during the drug deal?

That's Cuban Pete

 

The guy that dies in the cutscene drug deal is the reason we have ALL this confusion. If that scene was never called Vic, and people actually noticed the first rule of visual story telling: Everything Is In the Scene For A Reason, then we would all see that Vic Vance is in the first scene of Vice City. It is classic storytelling in this manner.

 

I'm so adamant about it because to miss this detail is to miss the whole reason Tommy was even sent to VC, in turn, missing the whole connection between VCS and VC.

 

NYC mafia works closely with Miami mafia. This was all becoming like this at the mid-eighties. Thus, VC and VCS show how the mafia took control of Miami, as before that it was just shady dealings with coke runners and travel bags...

 

Vic went to do a meeting, got double crossed, then they sent the hired guns to kill lance and "who cares if tommy gets killed - if he doesn't he's our sentry, w.e."

 

With the Vance brothers out of the way (remember, lance is in hiding, and his brother is already dead) then the Mafia can make a move against Diaz, using tommy to get close.

 

This is all prior to them trying to then take tommy out of the picture, remember.

No offenece, but that's a load of BS... First off, Cuban Pete? The Vance brothers were Dominican Republic, as I remember it.

 

Second, you said it was Pete, so this basically solves the idea. Pete was at the drug deal and Vic was somewhere laying low or whatever, he wasn't connected to crime anymore... Why? At the end of VCS, he angrily made that clear!

 

But now you come with your own strange theory that Vic was hanging on a hook at the freezer in St. Mark's Bistro and you make up your own story behind it which isn't backed up by any official R* material... Didn't it ever cross your mind that it just might be an ordinary unlucky fellow? So he loosely resembles Vic in some way... And that is supposed to make him Vic now?

Edited March 8, 2009 by Smiley001

[chngdman]

lol, dude. It is a fill in the blanks kind of tale. It is artful, and it is all there for you to consume. I am not assuming or making things up, it is the obvious tale of Miami and NYC in the 80s.

 

The ONLY thing that connects the end of VCS to the beginning of VC is the BLACK (not dominican) man hanging on the meat hook, which is Vic Vance.

 

The Vance boys are black.

 

DID you see the picture? here is it again, and once again, this is CLASSIC storytelling at work and only tasteless artless town-folk can undermine R* storytellers by saying that is not Vic Vance UNLESS they just don't want all their posts on the subject to somehow be an embarrassment, which is pretty counter-intuitive in the end...:

 

VC, we cut into the shot just as the Mafia in LC has killed one of the two Vance boys and planning to go take out Lance and then Diaz. As we know from playing the game, Lance evades death and then teams with tommy... read on...

That is the face of Vic Vance, lifeless and droopy. That is the build of Vic Vance. That is ONE of SUITS he and HIS BROTHER bought together. You might not get that EXACT suit in VCS, but two years have passed.

 

 

Again, read my last post before this one, it all makes sense, and it is the ONLY thing that makes ANY of Vice City make sense with VCS. ANY excuse you have for this NOT being Vic Vance only destroys the rest of the story. However, ACCEPTING that this is vic vance proves you were ALL wrong, not just one half of you, thus you will all fight it even though this not only ends this worthless fight but also provides you with better clarity and more details of the VC story. Boo hoo, can't be wrong, whatever. lol. This isn't even about making you out to be wrong, it is about helping you to see the genius in the story that pretty much everyone fighting about the Heli scene has yet to see for themselves....

 

That's Vic Vance. It is how sh*t like this REALLY happened in the 80s. It's not ALL fiction, you know... It IS based on 80s miami which was taken over by NYC gangsters....

 

And everyone knows the only way out of the game is in a body bag. He could quit all he wanted, but he couldn't stay done. WHO can quit with a brother like Lance? You're damn right. JUST LIKE lance talking him BACK into the game OVER AND OVER again in VCS, he did the same thing from VCS to VC.

 

Saying Vic quit in the end cutscene of the game is just ignoring all the times he quit in the story of VCS alone....

 

So, forget about vic quitting, because as you can see, he was a pretty pimped out gangster in purple the day he died...

 

And if he quit at the end of the story, I don't think they'd still have all the crimes like empire building after you complete the story... He didn't quit, and if he did, he was sucked right back in by his influential brother.

 

And again, it's the WHOLE reason the mafia felt brave enough to send Tommy. And the WHOLE reason Diaz's outfit was a target and the WHOLE reason Lance was in hiding and the WHOLE reason he got close to Tommy JUST to double cross him AFTER Tommy takes care of Lance's dirty work.

 

If you don't think this pic is Vic, then you are ignoring ALL of that, and at this point, it's all in an attempt to not have ALL of your posts on the subject look retarded. Well, whatever. Again, this is not about right and wrong, it is about appreciating the art that is here. And it was the first time this kind of storytelling was in games, so it's sad so many people don't even see the parallels to real life, let alone the story itself...

Edited March 8, 2009 by chngdman

[Smiley001]

You said the black man hanging wasn't Dominican, so how can it be Vic if he is Dominican, which is also officialy confirmed... Yes the Vance's are black, and that means that all black people are from the same country?

And no dude, it doesn't make sense. The thing is that if that's Pete during the drug deal, what's there left missing in the story for you? Vic left Vice, Pete came instead... He is killed and the black man is just some unlucky fellow who got whacked. So the gap in the story for you is that there is no explanation to who that black man is in the freezer?

Just stop and think... Why drag Vic into this if the Pete thing already fills the story gap? Just because of that man hanging in the freezer? Like I said, just some whacked guy... Get over it.

Edited March 8, 2009 by Smiley001

[chngdman]

Requote me or remove the quote, please, as there is much more detail in my final post... I AM right under you, you could, you know, just remove the quote

 

These men are Jive Talking Georgian Boys. Lance is. Vic, the eldest, was more mature at the time all of that stuff was getting big in the 80s again.

 

Anyway, read my actual final post, you will see that this is the only way it makes sense, and denying it only makes other aspects of the two games cease to make sense...

 

Show me confirmation that these boys are Dominican. They look and sound American to me. No matter what nationality they hail from, they are American Black Dudes In The Eighties. An older wiser one, and a younger b-boy/jive influenced one...

 

Lance talked a quitting Vic BACK into the game over and over again throughout the story arches in VCS. If you think Vic could stay quitter, well, he couldn't, as evidenced by all of the rest of his hissy fits in quitting during the game... That's Vic Vance, fight it until you are blue in the face as this board is in the body section, but that's vic vance, and once you wrap your mind around that, you will really appreciate the artful side of the storytelling in the two games and also see that Rockstar uses more factual events to create their fictional scenarios than you realize...

 

It's not just a satire. GTA paints portraits of an Era. And that being Vic is yet another accurate portrait of the changes that occurred in the relationships of the Miami and NYC undergrounds in the 80s. Ignoring that this is, in fact, Vic Vance on the meat hook leaves you only with a satire of the eighties. And GTA uses way more than comedy and satire, they use actual events too, which is the only reason it was believable to those of us who know the history that inspires the games...

Edited March 8, 2009 by chngdman

[Smiley001]

Show me confirmation that these boys are Dominican. They look and sound American to me. No matter what nationality they hail from, they are American Black Dudes In The Eighties. An older wiser one, and a younger b-boy/jive influenced one...

 

 

Just watch the first cutscene and Vic tells Jerry that his father came in form the Dominican Republic...

[chngdman]

 

Show me confirmation that these boys are Dominican. They look and sound American to me. No matter what nationality they hail from, they are American Black Dudes In  The Eighties. An older wiser one, and a younger b-boy/jive influenced one...

 

 

Just watch the first cutscene and Vic tells Jerry that his father came in form the Dominican Republic...

Oh, ok. Yea, so they have dominican blood, but they are American. And what was the mom? Case Closed for that one. Dad was dominican, these boys are American. Now, what about all that other stuff I said? If anyone knows their underworld history, now is the time to step in and say "Wow, holy sh*t, it all makes sense, it even parallels reality of how Miami was finally pwned by the mafia".

 

I like how you won't comment on how "vic quit at the end" is shattered by how many times he quit and smooth-talking lance got him back into the game before that cut scene... Smooth.

 

Also, Mafia took over Miami from Dominicans, so you just support my words there too

Edited March 8, 2009 by chngdman

[Smiley001]

Doesn't matter who their mother was (a hopeless drug abuser), it makes the brothers atleast half-dominican and half whatever, maybe American. Yes they do have American accents. Wait a second, how do you even know what nationality that hanged guy was? There is no info about him what so ever... During the game, Lance managed to persuade Vic because he knew Vic had unfinished business with Martinez and they both had to eliminate the Mendez brothers. Once they got all that done, Vic was finally finished and didn't let Lance sweet-talk him into more drug trafficing. Finally dude, let me make this clear... I'm taking this material based off of R* story but you keep making up this thing about Mafia taking over Miami or whatever... Where the hell are you getting this from?

[Flesh-n-Bone]

Doesn't matter who their mother was (a hopeless drug abuser), it makes the brothers atleast half-dominican and half whatever, maybe American. Yes they do have American accents. Wait a second, how do you even know what natinality that hanged guy was? There is no info about him what so ever... During the game, Lance managed to persuade Vic because he knew Vic had unfinished business with Martinez and they both had to eliminate the Mendez brothers. Once they got all that done, Vic was finally finished and didn't let Lance sweet-talk him into more drug trafficing. Finally dude, let me make this clear... I'm taking this material based off of R* story but you keep making up this thing about Mafia taking over Miami or whatever... Where the hell are you getting this from?

You took the words right out of my mouth. That's pretty much all I have to say.

 

Some say Lance is good at convincing Vic into drug dealing, but in the end of the story he was done with drug trafficking so what was left for Lance to say, Vic simply denied it and said he would leave his crime empire behind.

[Zee]

Doesn't matter who their mother was (a hopeless drug abuser), it makes the brothers atleast half-dominican and half whatever, maybe American. Yes they do have American accents. Wait a second, how do you even know what natinality that hanged guy was? There is no info about him what so ever... During the game, Lance managed to persuade Vic because he knew Vic had unfinished business with Martinez and they both had to eliminate the Mendez brothers. Once they got all that done, Vic was finally finished and didn't let Lance sweet-talk him into more drug trafficing. Finally dude, let me make this clear... I'm taking this material based off of R* story but you keep making up this thing about Mafia taking over Miami or whatever... Where the hell are you getting this from?

You took the words right out of my mouth. That's pretty much all I have to say.

 

Some say Lance is good at convincing Vic into drug dealing, but in the end of the story he was done with drug trafficking so what was left for Lance to say, Vic simply denied it and said he would leave his crime empire behind.

but Vic didn't quit the business and live happily ever after. He died in 1986. Pete didn't exist when they made Vice City so it has to be Vic.

[Flesh-n-Bone]

Doesn't matter who their mother was (a hopeless drug abuser), it makes the brothers atleast half-dominican and half whatever, maybe American. Yes they do have American accents. Wait a second, how do you even know what natinality that hanged guy was? There is no info about him what so ever... During the game, Lance managed to persuade Vic because he knew Vic had unfinished business with Martinez and they both had to eliminate the Mendez brothers. Once they got all that done, Vic was finally finished and didn't let Lance sweet-talk him into more drug trafficing. Finally dude, let me make this clear... I'm taking this material based off of R* story but you keep making up this thing about Mafia taking over Miami or whatever... Where the hell are you getting this from?

You took the words right out of my mouth. That's pretty much all I have to say.

 

Some say Lance is good at convincing Vic into drug dealing, but in the end of the story he was done with drug trafficking so what was left for Lance to say, Vic simply denied it and said he would leave his crime empire behind.

but Vic didn't quit the business and live happily ever after. He died in 1986. Pete didn't exist when they made Vice City so it has to be Vic.

Neither did Vic exist. The brother of Lance's who got killed in the drug deal was just unnamed from R*'s part. In VCS they created two brothers one of which, gotta be the one who dies in VC.

[Zee]

Doesn't matter who their mother was (a hopeless drug abuser), it makes the brothers atleast half-dominican and half whatever, maybe American. Yes they do have American accents. Wait a second, how do you even know what natinality that hanged guy was? There is no info about him what so ever... During the game, Lance managed to persuade Vic because he knew Vic had unfinished business with Martinez and they both had to eliminate the Mendez brothers. Once they got all that done, Vic was finally finished and didn't let Lance sweet-talk him into more drug trafficing. Finally dude, let me make this clear... I'm taking this material based off of R* story but you keep making up this thing about Mafia taking over Miami or whatever... Where the hell are you getting this from?

You took the words right out of my mouth. That's pretty much all I have to say.

 

Some say Lance is good at convincing Vic into drug dealing, but in the end of the story he was done with drug trafficking so what was left for Lance to say, Vic simply denied it and said he would leave his crime empire behind.

but Vic didn't quit the business and live happily ever after. He died in 1986. Pete didn't exist when they made Vice City so it has to be Vic.

Neither did Vic exist. The brother of Lance's who got killed in the drug deal was just unnamed from R*'s part. In VCS they created two brothers one of which, gotta be the one who dies in VC.

 

from the 2002 vice city website.

[chngdman]

 

Doesn't matter who their mother was (a hopeless drug abuser), it makes the brothers atleast half-dominican and half whatever, maybe American. Yes they do have American accents. Wait a second, how do you even know what natinality that hanged guy was? There is no info about him what so ever... During the game, Lance managed to persuade Vic because he knew Vic had unfinished business with Martinez and they both had to eliminate the Mendez brothers. Once they got all that done, Vic was finally finished and didn't let Lance sweet-talk him into more drug trafficing. Finally dude, let me make this clear... I'm taking this material based off of R* story but you keep making up this thing about Mafia taking over Miami or whatever... Where the hell are you getting this from?

You took the words right out of my mouth. That's pretty much all I have to say.

 

Some say Lance is good at convincing Vic into drug dealing, but in the end of the story he was done with drug trafficking so what was left for Lance to say, Vic simply denied it and said he would leave his crime empire behind.

but Vic didn't quit the business and live happily ever after. He died in 1986. Pete didn't exist when they made Vice City so it has to be Vic.

Neither did Vic exist. The brother of Lance's who got killed in the drug deal was just unnamed from R*'s part. In VCS they created two brothers one of which, gotta be the one who dies in VC.

Unnamed but ON THE FEKKIN MEATHOOK lol

 

And Was named as you can see from Zee's pic.

 

WHY else would there be a dead black dude up there with another guy saying his brother is dead who happens to look just like that guy and wear similar suits with lance??? LOL NOTICE lance vance wardrobe, notice the SUITS they buy in VCS together, it's Vic on the meat hook. Just read my posts and you have an explanation of why that is satisfactory to the story. Instead of pointing out my observations as WRONG, instead provide something else - WITHOUT making things not make sense, and they only make sense if that's Vic on the meat hook, otherwise, nothing ties together...

Edited March 9, 2009 by chngdman

[Playstation_Loyalist]

 

 

from the 2002 vice city website.

Lol. This is just stupid. 2002? Come on, Victor Vance's info wasn't there yet until VCS. Huh, fail!

 

@ chngdman: You and your false teeth.

 

 

WHY else would there be a dead black dude up there with another guy saying his brother is dead who happens to look just like that guy and wear similar suits with lance??? LOL NOTICE lance vance wardrobe, notice the SUITS they buy in VCS together, it's Vic on the meat hook.

 

Let me put it this way.

 

Let's say I am a black guy in the GTA universe, a pedestrian, and lived days before the Forellis planned to join the drug business world in Vice City. It just happened that I'm rich, and love to buy pastel suits. I bought some pastel suits. Back to what you said, that black man in the freezer in a suit happens to be Victor Vance because he is black? Strange, because I AM a black man. Would I be also on that freezer, too? Hanging like a chunk of meat? Would Lance Vance be also on that hook? Ha, this is just getting you nowhere. You're in a heap of mistakes and shame.

 

 

Just read my posts and you have an explanation of why that is satisfactory to the story. Instead of pointing out my observations as WRONG, instead provide something else - WITHOUT making things not make sense, and they only make sense if that's Vic on the meat hook, otherwise, nothing ties together...

 

Heh. You just started to post nonsense and WITHOUT any Rockstar material. FAIL, dude. And you even fail to pee in the toilet!

 

[Upaluppa]

This is the most ridiculous discussion I`ve seen in this forums...

[Smiley001]

 

Doesn't matter who their mother was (a hopeless drug abuser), it makes the brothers atleast half-dominican and half whatever, maybe American. Yes they do have American accents. Wait a second, how do you even know what natinality that hanged guy was? There is no info about him what so ever... During the game, Lance managed to persuade Vic because he knew Vic had unfinished business with Martinez and they both had to eliminate the Mendez brothers. Once they got all that done, Vic was finally finished and didn't let Lance sweet-talk him into more drug trafficing. Finally dude, let me make this clear... I'm taking this material based off of R* story but you keep making up this thing about Mafia taking over Miami or whatever... Where the hell are you getting this from?

You took the words right out of my mouth. That's pretty much all I have to say.

 

Some say Lance is good at convincing Vic into drug dealing, but in the end of the story he was done with drug trafficking so what was left for Lance to say, Vic simply denied it and said he would leave his crime empire behind.

but Vic didn't quit the business and live happily ever after. He died in 1986. Pete didn't exist when they made Vice City so it has to be Vic.

Neither did Vic exist. The brother of Lance's who got killed in the drug deal was just unnamed from R*'s part. In VCS they created two brothers one of which, gotta be the one who dies in VC.

Unnamed but ON THE FEKKIN MEATHOOK lol

 

And Was named as you can see from Zee's pic.

 

WHY else would there be a dead black dude up there with another guy saying his brother is dead who happens to look just like that guy and wear similar suits with lance??? LOL NOTICE lance vance wardrobe, notice the SUITS they buy in VCS together, it's Vic on the meat hook. Just read my posts and you have an explanation of why that is satisfactory to the story. Instead of pointing out my observations as WRONG, instead provide something else - WITHOUT making things not make sense, and they only make sense if that's Vic on the meat hook, otherwise, nothing ties together...

Wait I think I get what your saying. You think that when that black guy in the drug deal got killed, he ended up in the freezer? The cutscene, where the Forelli members discuss things, happened before the drug incident...

 

@Playstation_Loyalist: Thank you, that's exactly what I've been trying to explain to this guy...

Edited March 9, 2009 by Smiley001

[Flesh-n-Bone]

 

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g147/jnzooger/Lance.jpg

 

from the 2002 vice city website.

No, this whole crime board was added shortly after the release of Vice City Stories, but it's a police record so you can't trust them.

 

And thank you for saving me from all that, PL.

Edited March 9, 2009 by Flesh-n-Bone

[Smiley001]

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g147/jnzooger/Lance.jpg

 

from the 2002 vice city website.

No, this whole crime board was added shortly after the release of Vice City Stories, but it's a police record so you can't trust them.

 

And thank you for saving me from all that, PL.

Well then that basically secures the idea that it was really Pete in the opening sequence. It's true that Vic was the second member of the Vance Crime Family but they never revealed who the shot guy was, so I think R* is heavily suggesting Pete. I mean why would they even create Pete as an unseen character in VCS.

[Flesh-n-Bone]

 

Well then that basically secures the idea that it was really Pete in the opening sequence. It's true that Vic was the second member of the Vance Crime Family but they never revealed who the shot guy was, so I think R* is heavily suggesting Pete. I mean why would they even create Pete as an unseen character in VCS.

Obviously, in Lance's crime tree it doesn't mention the brother he has arrived with, in town, by name. And Vic's tree simply says what he is and take into account that he was like the biggest drug kingpin in the city before leaving it behind, so the police can't simply forget about his presence.

 

It's obviously Pete. In the end of VCS, Vic pays the bills for him, and swears off drugs and crime for his life. Then Lance still hungry for money and trouble, decides to convince Pete into the thing by saying things like "it'll make you feel better and all" thus what happened in the end. Vic always simply helped Lance during deals, Lance was the dealer and Vic was his backup.

[TunaKiller6]

Yeah, Vic was really clever, as I saw Lance I don't suppose that Pete should be as clever as Vic.

[Upaluppa]

Actually you are the first one who made me rethink my previous theory Flesh-n-Bone !

What you said sounds pretty realistic, I think you might be right...

[Flesh-n-Bone]

Actually you are the first one who made me rethink my previous theory Flesh-n-Bone !

What you said sounds pretty realistic, I think you might be right...

Holy sh*t, I'm reaching myself achievements. I wonder how many total number of people on this forum, have I managed, to convince on this theory.

[Upaluppa]

Actually you are the first one who made me rethink my previous theory Flesh-n-Bone !

What you said sounds pretty realistic, I think you might be right...

Holy sh*t, I'm reaching myself achievements. I wonder how many total number of people on this forum, have I managed, to convince on this theory.

Like it was already said !

You would be a good moderator...