Did Vic Vance die in Vice City, Circa. 1986?

[Flesh-n-Bone]

Also "white lady" refers to cocaine.

[badjab]

its f*cking vic, thats why he is mentioned on the vc main website, and pete isnt, pete was just a sympathetic character added in for the dake of the story. he is sick, he wont get into crime, it is obviously not a guy that is posing as vic because lance says "he killed my brother". if it was pete, then it'd just be retarded, because pete is sick and nobody would let him fly all the way to vice to deal with cocaine. the police are f*cking accurate because they have every other f*cker pinned up on the board and described perfectly.

[TT1987]

I like to think that Vic lives

[the_don94]

its f*cking vic, thats why he is mentioned on the vc main website, and pete isnt, pete was just a sympathetic character added in for the dake of the story. he is sick, he wont get into crime, it is obviously not a guy that is posing as vic because lance says "he killed my brother". if it was pete, then it'd just be retarded, because pete is sick and nobody would let him fly all the way to vice to deal with cocaine. the police are f*cking accurate because they have every other f*cker pinned up on the board and described perfectly.

Um... I think the whole point of VCS is to raise money to help his sick brother. They eventually get the money and a lot extra so I'd assume Pete would have gotten better.

[biggjoshvicecitygangsta]

I think it was Pete who died because of some reasons:

1. In opening cutscene of VC, the brother who dies doesn't look even a bit like Vic in VCS.

2. In VCS, Vic told many times to Lance that he doesn't wanna be in drug business, so in 1986, i think it's Pete who is selling the drugs.

 

And i also think that when Tommy kills Lance, Vic is just hiding somewhere... Maybe in future we get a GTA where Vic want's his revenge to Tommy Vercetti! (very unlikely)

yeah i think your right vic is not dead i think he is hideing out some where in san andreas

[Mz. Hazey]

I think the fact that the Vice City website states Victor is the drug dealing brother along with Lance, unfortunately gives us enuff info to declare Vic as the deceased brother in the intro of Vice City.

 

For a long time I didn't wanna believe it was Vic either (cuz Vic is bad azz and awesome) and pinpointed it on Pete too, but with all these facts it just doesn't add up properly unless you make up a lot of reasons that are clearly not shown.

 

1. Unlike most people, I kind of see a resemblence from the dead Vance brother to Vic in the beginning of Vice City. I don't think he looks EXACTLY like him, but I could see Vic looking like that in a few years.

 

2. The accent is what threw me off and a bunch of people. But I see a lot of good points people are coming up with, say Vic grew that mustache and changed his voice to not be noticed by Diaz's people? It makes sense that he'd change his appearance to not be noticed, even if in the end that idea failed.

 

3. Lance refers to "My dead brother's white lady." Sure that could mean cocaine, but think how VCS was released AFTER and happened to introduce this Louise character as a somewhat love (not really) interest of Vic's? Wouldn't it not just be his dead brother's white lady but his own if he was talking about coke since they were in business together? The fact that he mentions only "his brother's" seems like he is talkinga bout Louise to me.

 

4. The website. I think that kind of says it all. Like I said earlier if the Vice City website labels Victor as the other brother in the 2-brother business with Lance, then he is the one who was unfortunately shot at the beginning.

 

5. Pete is not mentioned until VSC therefore when VC came out, he did not exist. I think in general he is not part of any drug rings or else his character would have been known in the VC era games. I believe he is not anywhere in the story line other than a known character without an apperance much like Brian of San Andreas.

 

Unfortunately I think Victor dies. I really like Vic and don't want to think that since I myself am a big fan of his, but I really don't see how anyone can think it is Pete with all this information. Sorry for making almost an "essay" but I'm trying to make it as critically pinpointing as possible 2 really show my argument. I was one of the ppl who thought it was Pete too, but after really readin' this topic thorougly I have to unfortunately believe Vic is the one shot.

[jnzooger]

There's another thing to think about...

 

You don't just get better from asthma. I should know, I suffer from it. All the money in the world couldn't "cure" it. However, the money can go to medications to suppress the symptoms for a while.

[VictorVance]

I think when Rockstar first made Vice City, they planned to have Vic die. But when making VCS, they thought GTA fans may be upset that a protagonist died, so they invented Pete. So Vic was the original death, but now Rockstar changed their minds and now Pete is dead and Vic came back to life?

 

Anyway, I vote Victor.

[Massimo Torini]

Meh. Vic died in VC. Prove me wrong.

[chngdman]

 

Meh. Vic died in VC. Prove me wrong.

Vic was dead as you started vice city, you didn't see him die. This contradicts my other posts aout this since I've come here, but here is the true corpse of vic vance (On meat hook). The other guy who gets killed is just a random cuban (or perhaps Cuban Pete )

 

[sword1119]

Okay, well, here's my thoughts on this whole matter:

 

In the opening scene with the alleged 'Vic Vance'/'Pete Vance' being shot in the drug deal, Im saying it's Pete

ONLY BECAUSE

Vic was dead before said deal, if my knowledge serves me correctly.

 

Now, in the drug deal opening scene, it may not be Pete, just some Random guy, but if i had to choose, id pick Pete.

In the mission where you save Lance in the junkyard in Vice, he states 'He killed my brother...' Now, i don't know if it was vic or pete he was talking about,

but he meant one of 'em.

 

Also, I think R* put the whole Pete thing in VCS just to stir up something like this; to keep us guessing, they aren't revealing enough definite information to decide correctly. I think they wanted the player to decide who lived and who died as the player pleases on this whole matter...

Furthermore, i personally think Vic didn't die anywhere in Vice, but thats my own beliefs. He did die, just not in Vice.

[chngdman]

 

The poll needs to be updated. Pete is Cuban Pete. And Vic is already dead before the scene in question

 

How VCS came to be:

 

"Man that's harsh, I wonder what happened to that guy. North is crazy, man!"

 

"That's Vic Vance. Hey, let's make a prequel so this opening scene makes sense."

 

"Cool, get Houser on the Phone, tell him Leeds has more portable gold"

[Rucke]

I'm pretty sure it Victor who dies in the beginning of Vice. If you check out the official homepege of Vice City at Rocksatr Games you can see that Victor is one of the characters listed at the VCPD crime tree.

[Flesh-n-Bone]

I'm pretty sure it Victor who dies in the beginning of Vice. If you check out the official homepege of Vice City at Rocksatr Games you can see that Victor is one of the characters listed at the VCPD crime tree.

But that doesn't mean it was him in the intro, I mean that guy acts exactly like someone who is suffering from asthma and looks or sounds nothing like Vic. And Vic is listed in the VCPD crime tree because he's a famous criminal in the city, it's easy to figure out.

[chngdman]

I'm pretty sure it Victor who dies in the beginning of Vice. If you check out the official homepege of Vice City at Rocksatr Games you can see that Victor is one of the characters listed at the VCPD crime tree.

But that doesn't mean it was him in the intro, I mean that guy acts exactly like someone who is suffering from asthma and looks or sounds nothing like Vic. And Vic is listed in the VCPD crime tree because he's a famous criminal in the city, it's easy to figure out.

Which is exactly why he is big-time enough to visit the big guys of liberty city to start giving them good Cuban product.

 

Which is why they kill him and send Tommy to take over the area for themselves...

 

Vic was dead in the first moments, on a meat hook

[Flesh-n-Bone]

I'm pretty sure it Victor who dies in the beginning of Vice. If you check out the official homepege of Vice City at Rocksatr Games you can see that Victor is one of the characters listed at the VCPD crime tree.

But that doesn't mean it was him in the intro, I mean that guy acts exactly like someone who is suffering from asthma and looks or sounds nothing like Vic. And Vic is listed in the VCPD crime tree because he's a famous criminal in the city, it's easy to figure out.

Which is exactly why he is big-time enough to visit the big guys of liberty city to start giving them good Cuban product.

 

Which is why they kill him and send Tommy to take over the area for themselves...

 

Vic was dead in the first moments, on a meat hook

OK, you've got your point across, we hear you. You've repeated it enough times, leave it for a moment, can you?

[chngdman]

 

I'm pretty sure it Victor who dies in the beginning of Vice. If you check out the official homepege of Vice City at Rocksatr Games you can see that Victor is one of the characters listed at the VCPD crime tree.

But that doesn't mean it was him in the intro, I mean that guy acts exactly like someone who is suffering from asthma and looks or sounds nothing like Vic. And Vic is listed in the VCPD crime tree because he's a famous criminal in the city, it's easy to figure out.

Which is exactly why he is big-time enough to visit the big guys of liberty city to start giving them good Cuban product.

 

Which is why they kill him and send Tommy to take over the area for themselves...

 

Vic was dead in the first moments, on a meat hook

OK, you've got your point across, we hear you. You've repeated it enough times, leave it for a moment, can you?

No. You made a point about cuban pete, and it supported the fact that it is vic on the meat hook. This discussion is the right place for this, and I take interest in it. It's Vic on the meathook, I am engaged and interested in this topic of discussion and pretty amused/in awe at the fact that none of you people see which one is the real vic. So it's fun for me, but more so than that, it is an interesting mode of conversation. So, no, I won't just hold off on it so that you can create your own fantasy of "the way it is" because it IS vic vance on that meathook and I gotta tell you any other explanation is Wrong.

[Flesh-n-Bone]

No. You made a point about cuban pete, and it supported the fact that it is vic on the meat hook. This discussion is the right place for this, and I take interest in it. It's Vic on the meathook, I am engaged and interested in this topic of discussion and pretty amused/in awe at the fact that none of you people see which one is the real vic. So it's fun for me, but more so than that, it is an interesting mode of conversation. So, no, I won't just hold off on it so that you can create your own fantasy of "the way it is" because it IS vic vance on that meathook and I gotta tell you any other explanation is Wrong.

And the usual... prove it and stop speculating hasn't escaped any one's mind. It's just your own opinion that it's Vic, don't think it's a fact. Anyone can claim what they think is a fact but actually it isn't until the creator of the whole thing confirms it.

[chngdman]

Dude. Look at the picture. Look at the plot of Vice City. It's Vic Vance. If you want to live in denial, live in denial. But don't dictate when and where I post on-topic, politely or whatever, it's not right.

 

If you can make the two games make ANY sense at ALL without that being Vic, by all means, do so. But... you can't. Because there are more reasons Vic is on that meat hook than not.

[Flesh-n-Bone]

Dude. Look at the picture. Look at the plot of Vice City. It's Vic Vance. If you want to live in denial, live in denial. But don't dictate when and where I post on-topic, politely or whatever, it's not right.

 

If you can make the two games make ANY sense at ALL without that being Vic, by all means, do so. But... you can't. Because there are more reasons Vic is on that meat hook than not.

I'm not dictating at all, if anything, it's you who is doing it. Because all you do is say "It's Vic on the meat hook, end of."

 

Say it's Vic Vance for how long you want, but I'm not convinced.

[chngdman]

Well that's what I'm going for, an actual discussion about this correct image of vic, and not the incorrect part of the cutscene in question.

 

I have plenty of plot-driven points made throughout all of my posts on this subject, but you have failed to say anything other than "nuh uh", in so few words...

[Flesh-n-Bone]

Well that's what I'm going for, an actual discussion about this correct image of vic, and not the incorrect part of the cutscene in question.

 

I have plenty of plot-driven points made throughout all of my posts on this subject, but you have failed to say anything other than "nuh uh", in so few words...

I think I should just say that I don't care what your point is making out, all I'm aiming for is to make everybody who thinks Vic died during the deal part of the intro proved wrong and in this case you're on my side, right?

 

But to this point up, I'm not convinced that Vic is shown on the meat hook, dead. And to be honest, I don't really care neither, simply because the meat hook guy looks nothing like Vic.

[Playstation_Loyalist]

I'm still quite fazed about the fact that some idiot inserted that picture of a black guy in that meat hook when we are just talking about who died in the Introduction of Vice City? And that's not even Vic Vance.

 

I'm sure that the black guy who died in the Introduction IS Lance's brother. That's it.

[babycabel]

The guy in the hook seems tortured...

[chngdman]

 

Well that's what I'm going for, an actual discussion about this correct image of vic, and not the incorrect part of the cutscene in question.

 

I have plenty of plot-driven points made throughout all of my posts on this subject, but you have failed to say anything other than "nuh uh", in so few words...

I think I should just say that I don't care what your point is making out, all I'm aiming for is to make everybody who thinks Vic died during the deal part of the intro proved wrong and in this case you're on my side, right?

 

But to this point up, I'm not convinced that Vic is shown on the meat hook, dead. And to be honest, I don't really care neither, simply because the meat hook guy looks nothing like Vic.

Yes, I am on your side. The cuban that died in the deal was not vic, it was one of Diaz's guys who vic and lance were working with. Cuban Pete. Pete the brother did not exist at all until VCS came out and literally changed what some things mean in VC to mean other things that are then represented in VSC. Like Dead Brother's White Lady. The coke that was taken in the beginning? No. Louise, and it makes sense because as we both know, the heli scene is not vic, but even though you don't agree, the guy on the meat hook? All of these details can be marked true for him, because he's already dead and looks like Vic.

 

When vic went to LC to partner up and get into locking down the whole east coast, he was killed, leaving it open for lance to get killed and diaz last, all while tommy takes over, in the name of the same people who killed lance... remember lances role in VC...

[TunaKiller6]

As you said there that Pete (brother) didn't really exist in VC yet, maybe you should think about it more. If R* knew they are going to make a new in-VC GTA, they didn't have to put him into there, they could think about it more to give the story a better connection.

[Playstation_Loyalist]

As you said there that Pete (brother) didn't really exist in VC yet, maybe you should think about it more. If R* knew they are going to make a new in-VC GTA, they didn't have to put him into there, they could think about it more to give the story a better connection.

This man's right, along with Flesh-n-Bone.

[TunaKiller6]

I'd say that R* like mystificating their customers. This is a discussion without an end, same as Ufo, Leatherface etc. in SA. That's what they want; to make people argue about it.

 

BTW Thanks for support Playstation_Loyalist

[Zee]

I had always assumed the guy in the beginning was just one of Diaz' goons and that Vic was killed off camera. I think the fact that the guy on the meathook is wearing a suit and has dark skin can confirm that that's Victor Vance.

 

I think that Lance didn't know Vic was dead until after the deal. It makes sense. It was all a takeover plot by Sonny. Vic goes up north to arrange the deal with Sonny, Sonny whacks Vic and puts him in the freezer, all thats left is the deal to go bad after that point. I know you're getting alot of flak, but good eye and good work chngdman.

[Flesh-n-Bone]

I think that Lance didn't know Vic was dead until after the deal. It makes sense. It was all a takeover plot by Sonny. Vic goes up north to arrange the deal with Sonny, Sonny whacks Vic and puts him in the freezer, all thats left is the deal to go bad after that point. I know you're getting alot of flak, but good eye and good work chngdman.

The thing is, Vic was no longer running his empire after the end of VCS which makes it pointless for him arranging deals and stuff besides, why would he befriend the Forelli's when he kills quite a few of them in VCS.