Did Vic Vance die in Vice City, Circa. 1986?

[Flesh-n-Bone]

Actually you are the first one who made me rethink my previous theory Flesh-n-Bone !

What you said sounds pretty realistic, I think you might be right...

Holy sh*t, I'm reaching myself achievements. I wonder how many total number of people on this forum, have I managed, to convince on this theory.

Like it was already said !

You would be a good moderator...

Thanks. Plus there are a bunch more small details that suggest it was Pete. Vic said Lance would never drive/fly anything again when they would be together, however during that deal, Lance is indeed the pilot on the scene.

[chngdman]

Playstation_Loyalist you are completely worthless to speak to about this after that post.

 

For one, that is the Victor Vance pic from the VC site from YEARS before VCS and it is the SAME MAN HANGING ON THE f*ckING MEAT HOOK.

 

The MAN on the MEAT HOOK is the death that made it POSSIBLE for the Mafia to send someone to TAKE OVER.

 

The FIRST person you see in this game is VIC VANCE ON THE MEAT HOOK. HE is the FIRST thing you see after you start new game and it loads. WHY is that? BECAUSE IT'S f*ckING VIC. The LAST thing you see when you beat VCS.

 

And why was Vic the star of the prequel? BECAUSE IT WAS HIM ON THE MEAT HOOK.

 

I cannot believe you people are fighting this... I cnnot believe you are so dense that you'd rather the games NOT make ANY f*cking sense AT ALL and instead you want to just assume Vic was never even in Vice City. And he was. As a corpse on a meat hook. He wasn't the guy who got shot, he was the FIRST person you see. \

 

If you play the games in chronological order to the canon (not to release dates), you will see why that is vic f*cking vance.

 

He did not quit the job. He quit the whole way through VCS, over and over, ANYONE with a brother like Lance is STUCK with NO ESCAPE, and ANYONE in that line of work, that high up the echelon, is in it until they are dead.

 

Thus, you finish the game in VCS and then when you start VC, you see the same guy you were just playing as and took over most of VC with hanging on a meat hook, and the mafia about to send a sentry to begin taking over.

 

You people who deny that is Vic Vance you are a disgrace. You'd rather serve your ego than actually appreciate the genius things these men did when making these games years and years apart. Serving your own ego and your popularity will keep you as little ignorant sh*ts who don't learn anything. Because if you don't see this ONE tiny little detail, then what hope is there that you saw anything more than just guns and cars? I guess Jack Thompson was right, that is, since damn near every one of you are kids. I gave kids more credit than this, but obviously I should have known better, your ego's are blocking your brains. k.

 

Do you f*cking think the game was SUPPOSED to start where it did? Vice City?

 

You don't think there was A LOT more story that was later cut? You don't think it is similar to ALL the sh*t that didn't make it to San Andreas? You think there were not a few missions prior where a Jail Break felt too much like GTA III and perhaps where you actually SEE vic get the hook and it either looked to fake, or again, felt too much like GTA III intro or other reasons?

 

You have never heard of edits? Please. THAT is Vic Vance on that hook and to disagree after all the reasons I gave (and NONE of you gave ANY reason WHATSOEVER as to why it ISNT him, you just spit retard-denial while I gave NUMEROUS examples of classic storytelling, wardrobe, literally the look of him, the f*cking MULTIPLE reasons it HAS TO BE HIM FOR THE SToRY TO MAKE ANY SENSE AT ALL etc)

 

jesus, teenagers get me SO hype, man. You people.

Edited March 9, 2009 by chngdman

[Flesh-n-Bone]

Just so you know, I DON'T participate in the discussion about the meat hook. All I want to prove is that Vic didn't die during the drug deal, and I don't care any longer. That said, I've proved my point that Vic wasn't the guy in the deal part of the intro and I'm out. Thanks for your time, or actually not, I will take part if someone comes back with an argument trying to say Vic was killed on that scene (where the deal takes place) but nothing more.

[Smiley001]

Playstation_Loyalist you are completely worthless to speak to about this after that post.

 

For one, that is the Victor Vance pic from the VC site from YEARS before VCS and it is the SAME MAN HANGING ON THE f*ckING MEAT HOOK.

 

The MAN on the MEAT HOOK is the death that made it POSSIBLE for the Mafia to send someone to TAKE OVER.

 

The FIRST person you see in this game is VIC VANCE ON THE MEAT HOOK. HE is the FIRST thing you see after you start new game and it loads. WHY is that? BECAUSE IT'S f*ckING VIC. The LAST thing you see when you beat VCS.

 

And why was Vic the star of the prequel? BECAUSE IT WAS HIM ON THE MEAT HOOK.

 

I cannot believe you people are fighting this... I cnnot believe you are so dense that you'd rather the games NOT make ANY f*cking sense AT ALL and instead you want to just assume Vic was never even in Vice City. And he was. As a corpse on a meat hook. He wasn't the guy who got shot, he was the FIRST person you see. \

 

If you play the games in chronological order to the canon (not to release dates), you will see why that is vic f*cking vance.

 

He did not quit the job. He quit the whole way through VCS, over and over, ANYONE with a brother like Lance is STUCK with NO ESCAPE, and ANYONE in that line of work, that high up the echelon, is in it until they are dead.

 

Thus, you finish the game in VCS and then when you start VC, you see the same guy you were just playing as and took over most of VC with hanging on a meat hook, and the mafia about to send a sentry to begin taking over.

 

You people who deny that is Vic Vance you are a disgrace. You'd rather serve your ego than actually appreciate the genius things these men did when making these games years and years apart. Serving your own ego and your popularity will keep you as little ignorant sh*ts who don't learn anything. Because if you don't see this ONE tiny little detail, then what hope is there that you saw anything more than just guns and cars? I guess Jack Thompson was right, that is, since damn near every one of you are kids. I gave kids more credit than this, but obviously I should have known better, your ego's are blocking your brains. k.

I just don't get why you keep suggesting it is Vic on that hook... The story already makes sense dude! At the end of VCS, Vic finally quits! Having killed Jerry and the Mendez-s, he was finally finished and would not let Lance convince him to do more crime. At the beginning of VC, Pete and Lance go to the drug deal and Pete gets shot while Vic is somewhere living his own life. The man on the hook is a random whacked black guy... now, what's so nonsensical about this?

[TunaKiller6]

Chngdman, I counted up likely 5 vulgarisms. What the hell are you trying to prove to yourself? You think you're cool because you take some random nigga in a suit on a meat hook and keep bothering others around? In the first three sentences you just keep repeating it's him.

Cool.

But anyway? I must tell you, YOU SU*K A*S!

[chngdman]

EDIT Whole Post: OMFG YOU PEOPLE. It's not PETE VANCE in the HELI, it is CUBAN PETE and it is VIC VANCE on the MEAT HOOK IT IS THE ONLY WAY THINGS MAKE SENSE YOU DENSE, ARTLESS FRUITS.

 

I am done, you call yourself the GTA fans on the GTAForums. Ironic. You don't know sh*t and you definitely don't pay attention because if that's NOT Vic on the meat hook it f*ckS EVERYTHING UP. JESUS.

 

 

Just so you know, I DON'T participate in the discussion about the meat hook. All I want to prove is that Vic didn't die during the drug deal, and I don't care any longer. That said, I've proved my point that Vic wasn't the guy in the deal part of the intro and I'm out. Thanks for your time, or actually not, I will take part if someone comes back with an argument trying to say Vic was killed on that scene (where the deal takes place) but nothing more.

Yea, I'm not really talking to you there. But pretty much everyone else who thinks that you were, yea, them.

 

I saw that you were only commenting on the heli scene, opting ONLY to say "it's not vic on the hook", in so few words, and that was that. I can respect that. But you know I am right.

 

This is an internet forum, I can see through the psychological manipulations people post when they are unsure, wrong, angry, happy, lying, and so on. With the wall of text I just posted, there is no way you are any longer in denial about this - you would not have been so smooth about bowing out and not taking the opportunity to correct and so on, for the sake of future readers, yea?

 

Because for the sake of future readers, my posts are here, and they can read them and see that they are substance while other people come with technicalities to deny the facts. Those technicalities BREAKING the rest of the story, yet the f*ckers STILL use them... then slink off like snakes, and pretend that their return to this topic wasn't directly to comment on something I typed. And then out rolls the disregard for the most important part of the WHOLE f*cking debate: The Story. yea, flesh, I know you see them, yea?

 

 

This topic itself should have never taken place. There should have been No Question At All who vic vance is in VC and why he is on that meat hook, but no, you have people who have already committed to their posts further back in the topic and can't change now - what would people think? Get Over Yourselves. Everyone Is Wrong SOmetimes. This Whole Topic was A Mind f*ck To You All And Now You Can't Even Appreciate It When I Settled - me I settled this sh*t - with a pic of a different moment that is Vic Vance and now all of the sudden F&B is taking CREDIT? And people are giving it? You people, you are FOLLOWERS.

 

SO let me get this straight: I PROVE that's not Vic on Heli, F&B was "right", and now you are CALLING the SAME f*cking proof you used to prove it was "Pete" "wrong". So you agree now that isn't Vic in the first scene... But you used my pic and saying it was Cuban Pete, but you then deny the man on meathook is Vic? WHY ELSE WOULD THEY f*ckING PUT THAT THERE?? WHY ELSE WOULD IT BEEEEEE THERE? IT IS NOT JUST A RANDOM DETAIL!!!

 

Either you are kids or stupid - one or the other. So those of you who are not children, I'm sure you see this is Vic, why it was Vic, how genius it was that they did it, how genius all the extra things they did to create VCS was off of this meat-hook man, and the other people, those who do not know, I know you are either children or stupid. Good day, myself, it's time to go.

 

I will respond to this topic only when something intelligent is written, because I am sick of responding to people who have nothing but "Nuh Uh!" and who twist my f*cking words. You twisted my words PSLoyalist you c*nt, vic is black, bald, and wears pimp suits, what do you know, THATS the f*cking guy on the hook!

 

AGAIN the ONLY f*cking detail that makes ANY of the two stories make sense, INCLUDING LAnce's involvement in VC> IT HAS TO BE VIC ON THE MEAT HOOK OR YOU BREAK THE STORY.

 

So, deny it. Go for it. But I'm not getting this worked up about it anymore, because I just noiced that most of you are just little retarded kids and very few of you even know what art is.

 

Yes, you have grown up in an era of sh*t, and that's why all you see if guns, cars, and disconnected mission blocks. There is so much more to this game, and you devalue it to be so tasteless, or young, whichever of the two demographics you fit into in the group of two kinds of people who deny this is vic vance on the meat hook.

 

I am really worked up about this, wow I did not know I loved the GTA series that much to want OTHER people to actually understand what it is really about enough to get mad when they don't. Amazing, this series is just amazing to be able to do that to people.

Edited March 9, 2009 by chngdman

[Smiley001]

You know I just realised that I'm not never gonna get what your trying to prove here, since this little dilemma can be explained with a few simple sentences but you keep coming back with 200-word reports consisting of totally confusing statements. So I'm just gonna drop it for now, like F-n-B said, until someone comes back suggesting it was Vic during the drug deal.

[TunaKiller6]

Gaming is about the gamer's decides. Even if you keep doing 50 lines long posts, many people are not going to change their mind, as same as me. Even if billion people told me it's Vic, I wouldn't accept it. Keep arguing with your sh*tty picture of a random dude. How many black people is in Vice City? It seems you say like there were only 2; Vic and Lance.

No ty.

[chngdman]

HA, just as I just wrote. Do your little emotional manipulation, bow out because you Can Not do anything but say "Nuh Uh" you have No Counter Points. None. LOL, I do not feel robbed, nope. Actually, Thank you. Your post is concede, I see, and no worries, I was bugged out at first by it too, but yea, that's vic.

 

Thanks for agreeing with me, in your own secret little way, but it's not ABOUT agreement or who's wrong, and I hope you actually see how awesome this story is now and I hope you read between the lines of the whole two games now

 

:goes too:

:poof:

 

edit: Damn, pulled me back in posting when I did.

@Tuna: It is not the gamer f*cking decides. If the gamer decides then Tommy is Vic and Lance is a whigger. Yes, I think you see how retarded that is. The writer decided. And that man is Vic Vance. it doesn't matter how many times you say "nuh uh". Until you bring FACTS against mine... Until you all say more than "I am a dense f*cking retard and I think you are wrong because if you are right, then I am wrong and I can't handle that so, although ALL I can f*cking say is "nuh uh" and I can't present any reasoning, you're wrong"

 

Do you even realize you look this dumb?

 

You guys say I look dumb. The only thing dumb about this for me is that I am putting effort into people who have wax in their ears. The content is intelligent, angry or not.

 

So you guys are cool and calm and giggly and never saying anything except "Nuh uh" and then attacking my f*cking posts, while I am getting pissed that I am speaking with examples and facts and reasons that the story doesn't work UNLESS that is vic vance and opening up the actual meaning of the game to you while all you people do is continue to fight about a topic that never should have taken place you ALL should have known the heli man wasn't vic.

Edited March 9, 2009 by chngdman

[TunaKiller6]

The meaning of my post, is to stop you from brainwashing every single person reading this, unless you are Cuban or Chinese. Are we a communist world? No. We can choose our own decisions, I fell like you were some Raul Castro; I SAID IT, SO IT IS THAT. NO MORE COMMENTS. AUTOGRAMS AT THE AIRPORT.

GTFO, I chose it that way, you aren't turning me to trust you.

[chngdman]

 

The meaning of my post, is to stop you from brainwashing every single person reading this, unless you are Cuban or Chinese. Are we a communist world? No. We can choose our own decisions, I fell like you were some Raul Castro; I SAID IT, SO IT IS THAT. NO MORE COMMENTS. AUTOGRAMS AT THE AIRPORT.

GTFO, I chose it that way, you aren't turning me to trust you.

 

@Tuna: It is not the gamer f*cking decides. If the gamer decides then Tommy is Vic and Lance is a whigger. Yes, I think you see how retarded that is. The writer decided. And that man is Vic Vance. it doesn't matter how many times you say "nuh uh". Until you bring FACTS against mine... Until you all say more than "I am a dense f*cking retard and I think you are wrong because if you are right, then I am wrong and I can't handle that so, although ALL I can f*cking say is "nuh uh" and I can't present any reasoning, you're wrong"

 

Do you even realize you look this dumb?

 

You guys say I look dumb. The only thing dumb about this for me is that I am putting effort into people who have wax in their ears. The content is intelligent, angry or not.

 

So you guys are cool and calm and giggly and never saying anything except "Nuh uh" and then attacking my f*cking posts, while I am getting pissed that I am speaking with examples and facts and reasons that the story doesn't work UNLESS that is vic vance and opening up the actual meaning of the game to you while all you people do is continue to fight about a topic that never should have taken place you ALL should have known the heli man wasn't vic.

 

I wasn't even talking to you until I edited that post before yours. Again, you are all proving my points with every post you make after I make it. And not only is it annoying me that you are this dense, but it is freaking me the f*ck out and I don't like it. And you just did what I said the other guys are doing before I even directly addressed you. So just stop, because you're all wrong, and this topic should have never existed. Vic is on the meat hook. Cuban Pete caught a bullet. And it's freaking me out to no extent at how scary it is that the majority truly is this daft and they all miss this kind of details in much more important things than GTA games. The future is not bright.

Edited March 9, 2009 by chngdman

[TunaKiller6]

Look, I don't give a sh*t about you. I have to say that your epicly long messages got me tired, hope till tommorrow you come with something better than "LOOK U f*ckING IDIOTS AT THE f*ckED MEAT HOOK ITS f*ckING VIC VANCE YOU f*ckS STOP SAYING UH-NUH U IDIOTS LOOK AT THE HOOK IT'S VIC VANCE YOU f*ckS STOP SAYING NUH-UH AND READ MY POSTS AND LOOK AT THE f*ckING PIC ITS f*ckING VICTOR VANCE U ASSES JUST LOOK AND REMEMBER THE GAME DIRECTOR DECIDES LOOK U f*ckS HE f*ckING DECIDED ITS f*ckING VIC ON THE f*ckING HOOK"

 

Good night.

[chngdman]

Ok, I will do this one more time, tuna. It will be hopefully a short message and it will clear this up for all of you.

 

A big acheivment and turning point in Vice City Stories is when the Vance brothers graduate into playas and get those suits. They aren't pinstripe gangstas yet, but they started doing it bigger.

 

Vic Vance was more interested in a bright future, and that of course got ruined and he was thrown from the military. Throughout the story, Lance keeps dragging Vic back into "the game", no matter how bad he wants to get away - the streets keep calling him back.

 

By the end of the story in VCS, Vic quits again. If you think it was forever you are an idiot. Sure, it might feel good to think that way, but that's vic vance on the f*cking meat hook, and he was hanging there because his death was a power play against Vice City before Liberty City Forreli move in on the turf.

 

With Vic out of the way - on a hook in the freezer - they made a move against Lance, who escaped. Thats why LANCE was in hiding and got close to TOMMY because he knew TOMMY could get him close to the killers of his brother, the Forellis who end up corrupting LANCE, who you know is totally a snake and have known for ages.

 

Anyway, had things gone to plan, the forelli plan, then Lance would have died with cuban pete out there when the ken and tommy go to do a deal. Leaving only DIAZ to move in on. Which tommy was SENT to do so. "even the cubans are cutting in on the action" - sonny.

 

NOW, WHO was the man in the HELI SCENE? Interesting that you ask

 

As far as Vice PD is concerned, it's Lance. Yep. The cops think that's Lance's body, and that is how Lance is able to be in hiding and so on. That's how the whole of Vice City thinks Lance Vance is dead, and that's how he gets around...

 

Vic was already dead when the other VANCE brother died, but it wasn't the real Vance brother, it was Cuban Pete - the random dude that kinda fit LANCES description and looked like him enough to be mistakenly identified by a quick clean up leaving Lance free to disappear and figure things out.

 

He figured more things out and once he found out what happened to vic, he found their contact, Tommy, and got close. Dude, it's Vic on the Meat Hook, VCPD thinks Cuban Pete was Lance, and so everyone else thinks at least ONE Vance brother is dead (Lance) and one is missing (Vic) and WE know he is dead on a meat hook, but the VC world doesn't.... Only the forellis and maybe Lance, since he obviously knows whats going on by the time he finds Tommy.

 

Dudes... I am skipping over a lot more details and if you just start thinking about it, you'll probably bring even more points that show what happened to vic.

 

If you play the games in order you got VC84: Play as vic and then you put in VC86 and it fades back into this world you haven't seen since 84 and you see the guy you played as is dead in the first scene - the rest of the game explains what happened since.... I hope you get that now... and why it's Vic on the meat hook.

IF THAT ISNT ENOUGH:

 

WHY do you think BETA VIC changed from looking like lance to looking more like the CORPSE on the HOOK? Because it caused confusion - the SAME confusion this topic suffers from. THATS why vic had to be changed to look more like the corpse - so that he didn't look like the other guy that was supposed to look like LANCE which is why lance was able to live in hiding... And that corpse is WRITTEN into there. It's not something that some artist did for fun. It is there for a reason if it is in a cutscene - do not mistake that. Thus, the man in the suit on the meat hook is f*cking vic vance now kindly stop denying it.

Edited March 9, 2009 by chngdman

[Flesh-n-Bone]

Anybody can deny anything, however they want. You can't dictate your theories and force them into someone's throat as facts.

 

I know I broke my promise here and I'm participating in this. But it's starting to get annoying and I must add everything that can be said from me to make less confusion.

 

To the point... VCS takes place in 1984.

 

Victor Vance signs up to the military in Vice City and is based with the rest of the soldiers in Fort Baxter. This is his way to get the money he needs to get his brother (Pete's) medical treatment as he is suffering from asthma. During the first cutscene he mentions how his life is and his dad comes from Dominican Republic should also be noted. His mother is Caucasian and probably American, but Vic and Lance are both influenced by their father and are born black.

 

Now to the story, Vic does some favors and gets into trouble by his superior officer, he is kicked out of the military and is forced to work for all kinds of idiots to get some money. It should be noted around this time, Lance is with Aunt Enid somewhere we don't know.

 

Vic is put in contact with a gang boss, Marty and does a couple of favors in money for exchange. He gets together with Marty's wife, Louise and Marty discovers their relationship. Vic kills Marty and takes over his empire. Then Lance arrives in town and drags into the troublesome drug game. Vic and Lance together work out where a shipment comes out with freshly smuggled drugs. Lance convinces Vic that the drugs belong to Martinez who double-crossed Vic. Vic agrees and they steal the shipment.

 

However, Martinez admits that the stuff belonged to the Mendez brothers and that forces the Vance's to build up their empires and work for the Mendez's only to avoid being killed. Vic is put in contact with Mendez's rival drug baron, Diaz and so they decide to betray the Vance brothers and set them into a trap. The Vance's survive and decide to make their ties with Diaz stronger. Vic's girlfriend Louise is kidnapped by Armando Mendez and that forces him to kill Armando. Now, one Mendez down, the other has to be taken out with another plan. It's Vic final plans before leaving town and his empire behind.

 

Vic steals a chopper and attacks the Mendez building. He is shot down and forced to kill everyone in order to find Diego, the remaining brother. He is found just at the time as Martinez arrives to finish Vic off. Vic continues making his way inside and goes to the roof, finishing off both Martinez and Mendez. Lance then arrives for helping but he is late and they both agree to leave town and lay low. Lance continues offering Vic with 20kg cocaine (this amount of coke is stolen during the deal in Vice City). Vic refuses his interests and says he never wants to deal drugs ever again. Also during this very moment, Diaz officially takes over the town as he says.

 

Now why does Vic still have his empire sites and all that after the storyline? It has no ties to the story, it's only to give the gamers a reason to play the game, I mean how boring would it be if the game ended right after the last mission?

 

Tommy Vercetti is a Forelli hitman sent to prison 1971, during the events of Vice City in 1986, he's freed and out. Sonny has decided to cut a deal with some contacts he's got in touch with, down in Vice City and he doesn't want to have Tommy in Liberty anymore simply because it's bad for business, not because he wants to expand in down south by someone's help, well he wants to use Tommy as a friend and then take all he has in the end. Listen to the dialogue before making assumptions.

 

Tommy is known as "Harwood Butcher" and the people in the city would be disturbed to see him back in the streets, which is why he sends him to Vice City to expand their empire (supposedly).

 

Lance is put in contact with Ken Rosenberg and along with Pete (explained in a post before this), cuts the deal and the 20kg from VCS. Tommy and two of his friends do the exchange while Ken drives them. Diaz has set up his hitmen and they ambush the deal killing everyone except Tommy who jumps into Ken's car (another survivor) and Lance who just flies away.

 

Lance finds out that Diaz did the ambush and vengefully will try anything to get his revenge for killing Pete or let's say his brother. His plan is failed and Tommy saves him from the trap. They kill Diaz and so, Tommy takes over all the assets Diaz ran (as he was the city's drug lord). This way Tommy builds his empire while Lance moans about not getting a fair slice.

 

After a long run, Tommy has build up everything finely and so, Sonny sends down some of his guys to tax his businesses. Tommy kills them and angers Sonny even more, so Sonny comes to see him face-to-face with a dozen of his soldiers. Tommy and supposedly Lance along with Ken represent themselves while Tommy tries to give Sonny some fake-cash. Lance betrays Tommy and cites his only reason as "this is business".

 

Tommy saves himself and his mansion plus his money while killing everybody on his way as well as Lance and Sonny. This finishes off any rivalry in his presence and Tommy happily lives his life as the city's runner.

 

 

I don't see where your ideas of Vic and Forelli's deal came from? It's just your own theories, honestly. If you read this you'll get a bunch of your plotholes fixed and maybe get started and think a little bit faster.

Edited March 9, 2009 by Flesh-n-Bone

[chngdman]

You know what this means, right? We need to organize a Let's Play for both VC and VCS.

 

You're onto something, but lets play funwiki, and we'll edit it, and see what happens. It feels intelligent enough:

 

 

 

To the point... VCS takes place in 1984.

 

Victor Vance signs up to the military in Vice City and is based with the rest of the soldiers in Fort Baxter. This is his way to get the money he needs to get his brother (Pete's) medical treatment as he is suffering from asthma. During the first cutscene he mentions how his life is and his dad comes from Dominican Republic should also be noted. His mother is Caucasian and probably American, but Vic and Lance are both influenced by their father and are born black. (kudos)

 

Now to the story, Vic Vance was more interested in a bright future, and that of course got ruined and he was thrown from the military. Vic does some favors is setup as an insurance fallguy and gets into trouble by his superior officer, he is then kicked out of the military and forced to work for a few idiots until he's got his footing but throughout the story, every time he wants to stop, Lance keeps dragging Vic back into "the game", no matter how bad he wants to get away - "the streets keep calling him back" - in this game, Lance is the way Rockstar conveys that aspect of "the game". It should be noted this happens after Lance returns from a stay with Aunt Enid somewhere we don't know.

 

blah blah blha I can't do this man, use your brains...

 

Use your brains and combine my most previous post with the one I was just editing mine into. Use your brains and you'll see that, as F&B said, he isn't and really still hasn't commented on the meathook guy, but knows that wasnt vic at the helicopter.

 

Just combine what I said in my most previous post with what F&B just said, it's all too long to edit it all together, but why else would the opening seen of the sequel to VCS (we all get it, right? sequel?) have a guy that looks and dresses like the vic you end up as by the end of VCS on a meat hook, with the other brother being ambushed, and then being presumed dead (since cuban pete looks like him) and getting close to the forelli's guy, Tommy, and helping take out diaz only to ultimately try and take it all for himself?

 

No one ever said there weren't plot holes, but this isn't a hole. The guy that looks like vic vance is vic vance, dead, on a meat hook. 2 years have passed. There's a LOT of this for not only GTA III in LCS, but also VC and LCS as well but that is another game entirely - this is VCS and VC and why else would a vic-vance CLONE, cause that's what he must be lol, be on the fish hook in the background of the sequel to the game you played as him that plays out in the way that it does, sans my posts and F&B's posts, which are pretty much able to be blended together true/true to an extent without heavy editing....

[WingedWarrior]

Have you guys seen the pictures of the beta Vic? He looked like the VC Vic that was allegedly killed in the opening cutscene. That means that Rockstar had intentions of making the VCS Vic look like the original model (not the one on the meathook).

[Zee]

Are all of you saying that Vic Vance was added to the crime tree in 2006 retarded? I remember seeing Victor Vance when friggin www.gta-vc.tk reported on the crime tree being up in 2002! I give up arguing. you people believe what you want to believe.

[TunaKiller6]

Thanks Zee.

It's all I'm saying now.

Anyone can trust what he wants to. It would be like you'd start killing Christians because they believe the god exists.

[Flesh-n-Bone]

Okay, chngdman, I didn't "comment" on the meathook guy simply because he has nothing to do with the storyline's. It can be just a pimp from Red Light District who pissed off the Forelli's and they killed him. I mean it's funny that no one has ever paid attention to that texture-less guy in the past 6 years and you were the first one to do so, while coming up with a theory it may be Vic Vance and force it down everyone's throat as "fact". Seriously, I'm getting tired of this, if you want to force everyone to believe you and go make a forum where you ban everyone who denies your "facts".

 

I can guess you will come back with another one of these mental comments where you just say "it's vic f*ckin vance, f*cking believe it or go f*cking die."...

 

And to WingerWarrior: So what? R* could have just planned to use the textures of that guy in Vice City's deal intro. I mean CJ, Toni and Vic all have the same walking animation does that mean they are the same person?

[Upaluppa]

Will this useless topic never come to an end ???

Really guys this is getting boring...

 

It`s ok to say what you think, but you can`t post three pages of the same sh*t over and over again without agreeing that others have different opinions of things !

 

Please give this a rest and stop it now, for once and for all !

 

This post was dedicated to chngdman by the way.

 

@Flesh-n-Bone:

 

You remember that VC created was before VCS, right !

 

So this means they of course did not reuse Beta Vic in the intro of VC, that`s a fact...

 

And to me it just sounds unlikely that they would ruse a minor character from a previous game as the main protagonist without making any story connections to that same person in the previous game !

 

Just remember Toni from LCS and III. It`s the same story there !

Edited March 10, 2009 by Upaluppa

[Flesh-n-Bone]

Just remember Toni from LCS and III. It`s the same story there !

That's what I'm saying. In LCS, Toni, the main character had a lot of story connections to GTA3 and it was none of all this speculating. He was a supporting character giving you a set of missions and in LCS they even gave him more connection between the years which were all greatly done.

 

With VCS, R* created a bit of confusion and used a character we never saw before and made a bunch of people suspecting him to be the Vance from Vice City getting killed in the deal.

[Upaluppa]

 

Just remember Toni from LCS and III. It`s the same story there !

That's what I'm saying. In LCS, Toni, the main character had a lot of story connections to GTA3 and it was none of all this speculating. He was a supporting character giving you a set of missions and in LCS they even gave him more connection between the years which were all greatly done.

 

With VCS, R* created a bit of confusion and used a character we never saw before and made a bunch of people suspecting him to be the Vance from Vice City getting killed in the deal.

Ok, agreed, but anyways I won`t start commenting again, this discussion if over for me !

Edited March 10, 2009 by Upaluppa

[Flesh-n-Bone]

If I would become a moderator for this section I would abuse my powers and lock all your cheat topics lol. They annoy me because I don't have access to them!

[Upaluppa]

 

If I would become a moderator for this section I would abuse my powers and lock all your cheat topics lol. They annoy me because I don't have access to them!

Oh, you`re missing something out mate...

I feel so sorry for you, I wish I could help you !

 

Sorry if that was a little nasty from me to post this here in this topic !

I`ll move it into my custom mission topic, ok ?

[Flesh-n-Bone]

If I would become a moderator for this section I would abuse my powers and lock all your cheat topics lol. They annoy me because I don't have access to them!

Oh, you`re missing something out mate...

I feel so sorry for you, I wish I could help you !

 

Sorry if that was a little nasty from me to post this here in this topic !

I`ll move it into my custom mission topic, ok ?

No, I was only joking. I just don't want to break my promise and will still refuse any use of emoticons, until now...

[WingedWarrior]

If I would become a moderator for this section I would abuse my powers and lock all your cheat topics lol. They annoy me because I don't have access to them!

Lol, that should look good on your moderator application.

[Upaluppa]

 

If I would become a moderator for this section I would abuse my powers and lock all your cheat topics lol. They annoy me because I don't have access to them!

Lol, that should look good on your moderator application.

Lol

[Flesh-n-Bone]

If I would become a moderator for this section I would abuse my powers and lock all your cheat topics lol. They annoy me because I don't have access to them!

Lol, that should look good on your moderator application.

Hah! You know that was a joke only to scare you dirty cheaters off.

 

And seems like the mods couldn't give two sh*ts about the suggestion, even at the suggestion forum have they not replied or "decided" anything. This topic would definitely be locked if I was moderating though.

[Upaluppa]

 

If I would become a moderator for this section I would abuse my powers and lock all your cheat topics lol. They annoy me because I don't have access to them!

Lol, that should look good on your moderator application.

Hah! You know that was a joke only to scare you dirty cheaters off.

 

And seems like the mods couldn't give two sh*ts about the suggestion, even at the suggestion forum have they not replied or "decided" anything. This topic would definitely be locked if I was moderating though.

Alright, I know that you made a joke, but WingedWarrior probably not, because I edited my post...

 

And I`m not cheating because I´m a noob and suck at playing GTA...

It`s because with those cheats you can still have some fun and experience new things if you`ve already beaten the game.

I mean seriously, GTA was always known for it`s huge replayability but after two years of playing things are indeed getting a little boring !

 

That`s what my cheats are for !

 

And that whole moderator thing is really stupid...

 

I don`t get it, if this forum has any mods, where the hell are they ?

It`s really a shame that noone seems to care about...

Edited March 11, 2009 by Upaluppa

[WingedWarrior]

Heh, I knew you were kidding. <3

 

And yeah, it's unfortunate that the VCS forum doesn't get much love anymore.