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Professor Greevur

Victor Vance dies?

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Professor Greevur

Well, as we all know 'Victor' was killed in the opening scene. But was it really Victor?

In Vice City stories it is mention there is a third Vance brother who had asthma. Perhaps it was this one who had been killed? And the person in the opening scene looks rather different than the Victor Vance in Stories.

What is your idea?

Personally I think it would be since it'd be pretty lame for it to actually have been the badass main character getting blown away in a drug deal like that.

 

And has anyone else thought it odd that 'Victor' in the beginning sounds oddly like a Haitian unlike his brother?

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saintdave

That is an interesting theory, I can’t check what occurs in VCS due to not having the game. But from what you’ve said the third brother being killed in the drug deal would be more plausible than a marine being shot down so easily. The accent does have a distinctive Latin feel to it which sounds nothing like the Victor Vance in VCS.

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kingvercetti

Funnily enough this is what I was thinking. Like you rightly said, Vic doesn't have a Hatian accent and as an ex-marine he certainly wouldn't get shot so easily, and besides, all through VCS Vic hates drugs so he'd be unlikely to do the dealing himself.

 

So maybe it was Pete Vance that died all along, as the brother is never named in VC...

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Fubu

When other gangs in Liberty City didn't touched that Vice City drug sh*t, The Forelli's haved a good chance to improve their major skill's to Victor Vance's gang. I don't really belive that Victor survived from that shooting, because he was hit with several bullet's by Colombian's. But there i's good possibility that after Tommy Vercetti escaped from the large shooting, an ambulance saved Victor. After Victor was safe, he moved off from Vice CIty and wanted to never show he's face to Lance Vance again.

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saintdave

This topic isn’t really about whether the man in question died or not, it’s questioning his identity. It was initially thought to have been Victor but having read through the game script for VC you’ll see there is no mention that the man was Victor. The same can be said in the VC manual where the only listing for a character fitting his description was supplier who was assumed to be the man killed in the opening scene.

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MP5

Geez, how the mention of Pete Vance messes up our conclusions. Makes me wonder if R* wants to confuse us to no end.

 

As far as the is-he-really-Victor question is concerned, I'm sticking to the conclusion that Victor was killed at the start of GTA:VC. It just doesn't make sense to have been Pete killed when he doesn't appear to have a significant role in GTA:VCS's storyline, while Vic and Lance were building their criminal empire. But I can think of a few possibilities as to what happened at the start of VC:

 

* Pete is asked to run an errand for Victor, or pose as Victor. Pete is killed; Victor lives.

* Pete has long taken over Victor's role, while Victor is out of the business (either quiting or dead before GTA:VC). Pete is killed; Victor is either dead or alive.

* Victor decides to conduct the deal, while Pete lives or dies before GTA:VC. Victor is killed; Pete is either dead or alive. VC's voice acting goof was probably an oversight; then again, I not really sure now.

 

All these possibilities do not conflict with Rosenberg's claim it was the Lance Brothers that were involved in the deal.

 

I haven't been able to play the game (I've only managed to watch the first few missions), so I'm practically in the dark as to what VCS has revealed that would suggest who would be in killed in VC.

 

Btw, have any of you looked for Vic's name in unused audio files and the texture name of the slain Vance?

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JamesBondOO7

i might have a theory but i need to know first if Victor pisses off diaz in VCS(because i dident play VCS yet)

 

here is my theory it may be stupid because i thought it up in like 2 second's well i was thinking if Vick pissed off diaz that diaz would want to kill victor so maybe victor and lance hired someone who looks like victor to do the drug deal but this someone dident relize he was on a suidcide mission and lance or someone tipped of diaz that victor was going to be at the drug deal so diaz would send in his people to kill victor but only it wasent victor it was decoy so now victor is hiding out in liberty city or somewere to lay low till everything was ok

 

and if victor dident piss diaz off in VCS he could have between VCS and VC

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Fubu

The Colombian's hwo killed Victor Vance was bountyhunter's. They had nothing to deal with Diaz's gang. Maybe Victor pissed Ricardo off in Vice City Stories, i don't know, but i think that if SOnny Forelli asked Ricardo to hunt Victor and other dealer's down, he was bit of nervious. And maybe Tommy have something deal with Vice City Stories. In one trailer outside Diaz's room, when Diaz shoot's the wall, there is some guy who look's very much Tommy. Then Ricardo haved more difficult choice to kill Tommy Vercetti and Victor Vance. They was not the Colombian's from Vice City's ruling gang, they was bountyhunter's, just as i think a much.

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tuareg
when Diaz shoot's the wall, there is some guy who look's very much Tommy.

The Tommy look alike has been discussed among this forum to be another character numerous amounts of times. Anyway, I never thought that the colombians where hitmen. I always thought that they where part of Diaz's gang (tho they didnt look anything like diaz's gang members do). Back to the original discussion: im pretty certain that the name Victor was mentioned in the original vice, and that Lance did say/reffered that victor was his brother, thus clearing out that vic was the "vance" who got shot.

 

ps: Tommy has nothing to do with vcs whatsoever. He may be mentioned in a cutscene, but i dont know for sure (he was in prision sheeeesh)

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Spuds725

Just want to make it clear that this section of the forum is for Vice City only... NOT VCS... Most of us won't get to play this game for several months yet, so

 

I want to make sure that no one "openly" discusses in this section, any of the specific events, characters, gangs, or gameplay features in VCS....

 

I'm sorry about this but I for one enjoy playing all my GTAs without guides or spoilers.

 

I'm going to let this thread stay open but I will insist that any reference to specific VCS info that you guys use spoiler tags...

 

Spoiler tags are like all the other formating tags.. they look like this....

 

Mouse Over the black area below to see the text....

 

Fuzzy is an awesome Ledby tounge.gif

 

I will use code tags so you can see how to employ them....

 

 


Fuzzy is an awesome Ledby  :p

 

 

Thanks for your cooperation.

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Bigun
The Colombian's hwo killed Victor Vance was bountyhunter's. They had nothing to deal with Diaz's gang. Maybe Victor pissed Ricardo off in Vice City Stories, i don't know, but i think that if SOnny Forelli asked Ricardo to hunt Victor and other dealer's down, he was bit of nervious. And maybe Tommy have something deal with Vice City Stories. In one trailer outside Diaz's room, when Diaz shoot's the wall, there is some guy who look's very much Tommy. Then Ricardo haved more difficult choice to kill Tommy Vercetti and Victor Vance. They was not the Colombian's from Vice City's ruling gang, they was bountyhunter's, just as i think a much.

ORLY? orly.gif

 

Do you wanna explain VC's storyline, then? rolleyes.gif

Think before posting...and it doesn't matter what they looked like. Neither does it really matter if they're from Diaz' gang, they were sent by him. Tommy (and Lance) work in GTA: Vice City to find who set them up, which leads to Diaz...then they kill him and take his mansion.

 

And it seems you babbled something about that Sonny sent those guys to kill Tommy or something. Well, no. As we know, Sonny gave Tommy the money for the deal and was very angry when Tommy lost it, which is mainly why he began looking for it...he calls Tommy a few times to ask for his money back. He also wanted, originally, to go to the Vercetti Estate to get his money, I believe. Maybe if Tommy didn't trick him he would of left quietly. (and if Lance didn't persuade Sonny to go against Tommy, of course...). In addition there's obviously a long time difference between the busted deal and Keep Your Friends Close, so it can be said that Sonny didn't purposely attempt to kill Tommy sending him to the deal. If so he would of attacked him sooner.

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MP5

Here's evidence of Victor's name in GTA:VC:

 

user posted image

 

This only shows up in the Official GTA:VC website, through the crime tree. This ought to clear things up a bit.

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Bigun

 

Only two members [in the Vance "crime family"]

That, obviously ,means that Vic worked together with Vance. Anyhow regardless of this, it's most likely him who died. VCS owners should be able to tell...apparently there's a third brother. Lance says in VC that his [dead] brother used to tease, annoy him etc. Does Vic do it by chance in VCS?

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simplyunkillable
Here's evidence of Victor's name in GTA:VC:

 

user posted image

 

This only shows up in the Official GTA:VC website, through the crime tree. This ought to clear things up a bit.

that doesn't show a picture, so is useless.

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Fubu

The black man who got killed in the first cutscene, it was no Victor. In Vice City Stories Victor says that he got 2 brothers. The other one is Pete, who was killed in Vice City. Victor never died, i think, because Pete don't got any similiarites to Victor in VC.

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humancorpse

1) If it really was Pete, why is he not listed as a member of "The Vance crime family"? If he was an important part enough part of the family to be handeling such a big deal that included 20 kilos of coke, the why the hell isn`t he even mentioned as a member of VCs underworld?

 

2) You all say Vic doesn`t look anything like the man who gets killed in the opening scene. Now, take a look a Toni Cipriani in GTA3. Then, look at him in LCS. See, he looks quit, if not more different than Victor does from 84 to 86. My point is, R* can change charachter faces and appearance as they like. My guess is that they wanted Vic to look alittle more stylish when they decided that he was going to be their new lead charachter.

 

Remember, back in 2002, they didn`t have a plan for all of this. Vic was just some charachter`s brother, he was not an important figure then. He was only in the game to die, and for Lance to seek vengeance. Im not saying there is absolutley no chance some of you may be on to something with your theories, but the chances are pretty slim. I would even be suprised if we ever heard about Vic ever again in a GTA game to be honest.

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Bigun

I totally agree with your whole post, humancorpse. xmas.gif

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Spuds725

You guys obviously ignored my post....

 

 

In Vice City Stories Victor says that he got 2 brothers.

 

Yes its minor-- but a spoiler none the less...

 

Last chance-- if I read any other type of VCS spoiler without tags this thread will be locked....

 

Final warning..

 

Spuds...

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ELGABORS

Well, that screenshot does makes it more interesting, but noteworthy it is that thet there's also the mention that they've just "arrived in the city" in that piece of paper and from the VCS point of view, that isn't quite true. My opinion is that Vic Vance isn't dead, just retired.

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Bigun

 

You guys obviously ignored my post....

 

 

In Vice City Stories Victor says that he got 2 brothers.

 

Yes its minor-- but a spoiler none the less...

 

Last chance-- if I read any other type of VCS spoiler without tags this thread will be locked....

 

Final warning..

 

Spuds...

I didn't ignore it - the 3rd brother has ALREADY been stated BEFORE your spoiler warning. Since nobody touched these existing post(s), it was useless to put it in spoiler tags, no? sly.gif And you didn't put it in those yourself either. tounge.gif

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Justin

Since I had a spare twenty minutes I've edited every post necessary with spoiler tags. Strict? Yes. Anal? Perhaps. But I'll be damned if I'm letting the VC forums get as out of control and overrun as the SA/VCS ones are.

 

Oh, and I edited Spuds' post just for kicks. tounge.gif

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Professor Greevur

Anyone else think it's weird that 'Victor' in the beginning is wearing the same shirt as the guy on the back of the motorcycle in the intro of 'Cap the Collector'?

 

I think enough evidence is the fact that 'Victor's picture was not on the profile at the official website. I think that if it were actually him they would have just used the ever so common screenshot.

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Ludo

maybe from an ingame cop perspective the reason for not having the picture, is because they ddnt have a picture of him...as the head of the vance crime family, he might never need to show his face (or at least he was never seen by the cops) hence no picture...leaving it entirley open to R*, in a new GTA to say that he died or not for sure.

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Leet For Lyfe

Well, throughout vice city, Lance says about Diaz " he killed my brother man". So it was probably his brother dying in the drug deal. Obviously Victor looked nothing like the man who got shot and sounded nothing like him, therefore I think that (forgetting how to spoiler) [that guy], was shot in the beginning of Vice City.

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hot-devil

Yes, Vic and Lance are the ones operating the business. BUT, Vic MIGHT NOT be present in the Drug Deal. The guy who was killed could be just a random Ped. However, even if Vic WAS NOT present in the drug deal, he still could have died, as Lance mentioned in VC that Diaz killed 'his brother'. The brother can also be Pete. (Doesn't mean that the one OPERATING the business was the one PRESENT IN THE DRUG DEAL.)

 

Possible Explanation:

After the end of VCS, Vic lays low for a while. He left Vice City to visit Pete. Meanwhile, Lance operates the business temporarily.

Vic left Vice City to visit his brother Pete but found that he was killed by Diaz. He told Lance back in VC about it and asked him to wind up their business and sell the drugs for safety reasons. Also for safety, he continue laying low, away from the Beaches of Vice...

 

Personally I think it would be since it'd be pretty lame for it to actually have been the badass main character getting blown away in a drug deal like that.

 

Claude Speed, the protagonist(Main character) of GTA2, maybe GTAIII, gets killed in the GTA2 movie released by R*. WHAT ISN'T POSSIBLE???

 

 

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The Colombian's hwo killed Victor Vance was bountyhunter's. They had nothing to deal with Diaz's gang. Maybe Victor pissed Ricardo off in Vice City Stories, i don't know, but i think that if SOnny Forelli asked Ricardo to hunt Victor and other dealer's down, he was bit of nervious. And maybe Tommy have something deal with Vice City Stories. In one trailer outside Diaz's room, when Diaz shoot's the wall, there is some guy who look's very much Tommy. Then Ricardo haved more difficult choice to kill Tommy Vercetti and Victor Vance. They was not the Colombian's from Vice City's ruling gang, they was bountyhunter's, just as i think a much.

Yeah they did. In the last mission on VC, Tommy clearly sez "Sonny, you set up that deal, you son of a bitch" or something to that respect, and Sonny DOES NOT deny setting it up.

 

As for it not being Victor because of his voice then think of it this way. GTA-III, we all seen Toni Vetrianni, compare him then to LCS. Anyone else notice they look nothing alike? Or sound alike? This is probably the same thing with Victor Vance. i feel that Pete Vance will be the same sad story as CJ's third bro, who is never seen or talked to.

You just know he existed or in this case exists.

It must have been VV at the start of VC, as thats where VCS got its protagonist from, and even thought hes from the army, no one can survive 50 ft shots with M4s (Execpt Vercetti of course sigh.gif ). It was point blank range really, so no wonder the muppet got killed.

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hot-devil

GTA-III, we all seen Toni Vetrianni, compare him then to LCS. Anyone else notice they look nothing alike? Or sound alike? This is probably the same thing with Victor Vance. i feel that Pete Vance will be the same sad story as CJ's third bro, who is never seen or talked to.

 

It is Toni Cipriani, not Vetrianni

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Geez, how the mention of Pete Vance messes up our conclusions. Makes me wonder if R* wants to confuse us to no end.

 

As far as the is-he-really-Victor question is concerned, I'm sticking to the conclusion that Victor was killed at the start of GTA:VC. It just doesn't make sense to have been Pete killed when he doesn't appear to have a significant role in GTA:VCS's storyline, while Vic and Lance were building their criminal empire. But I can think of a few possibilities as to what happened at the start of VC:

 

* Pete is asked to run an errand for Victor, or pose as Victor. Pete is killed; Victor lives.

* Pete has long taken over Victor's role, while Victor is out of the business (either quiting or dead before GTA:VC). Pete is killed; Victor is either dead or alive.

* Victor decides to conduct the deal, while Pete lives or dies before GTA:VC. Victor is killed; Pete is either dead or alive. VC's voice acting goof was probably an oversight; then again, I not really sure now.

 

All these possibilities do not conflict with Rosenberg's claim it was the Lance Brothers that were involved in the deal.

 

I haven't been able to play the game (I've only managed to watch the first few missions), so I'm practically in the dark as to what VCS has revealed that would suggest who would be in killed in VC.

 

Btw, have any of you looked for Vic's name in unused audio files and the texture name of the slain Vance?

so many spoilers..... muppetmaster_karma.gif

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Geez, how the mention of Pete Vance messes up our conclusions. Makes me wonder if R* wants to confuse us to no end.

 

As far as the is-he-really-Victor question is concerned, I'm sticking to the conclusion that Victor was killed at the start of GTA:VC. It just doesn't make sense to have been Pete killed when he doesn't appear to have a significant role in GTA:VCS's storyline, while Vic and Lance were building their criminal empire. But I can think of a few possibilities as to what happened at the start of VC:

 

* Pete is asked to run an errand for Victor, or pose as Victor. Pete is killed; Victor lives.

* Pete has long taken over Victor's role, while Victor is out of the business (either quiting or dead before GTA:VC). Pete is killed; Victor is either dead or alive.

* Victor decides to conduct the deal, while Pete lives or dies before GTA:VC. Victor is killed; Pete is either dead or alive. VC's voice acting goof was probably an oversight; then again, I not really sure now.

 

All these possibilities do not conflict with Rosenberg's claim it was the Lance Brothers that were involved in the deal.

 

I haven't been able to play the game (I've only managed to watch the first few missions), so I'm practically in the dark as to what VCS has revealed that would suggest who would be in killed in VC.

 

Btw, have any of you looked for Vic's name in unused audio files and the texture name of the slain Vance?

so many spoilers..... muppetmaster_karma.gif

I edited them in as a sign of respect to those unwilling to have the details of VCS forced upon them in the VC forums.

 

It'd be appreciated if you don't bump relatively old topics with useless spam in future - thanks.

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brucewayne909

I would like to believe Vic did not die but until furthur evidence is present I'm going to stick with the conclusion that he did die in VC.

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