Pranjal Posted October 28, 2006 Share Posted October 28, 2006 Well done,Jordan This is the most impartial opinion of VCS I have come across in recent times. As for myself I view VCS as another GTA game based on the San Andreas engine with elements of Vice City embedded in it. Nothing much to brag! Nothing much to boast! It will be much better if we wait for GTA4 for the next generation gaming experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VictorVance2006 Posted October 28, 2006 Share Posted October 28, 2006 The review was very unproffesional. come on 'retarted AI'? They had no new info or screens, and I doubt rockstar will ever want to give them exclusive content again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarjar Posted October 28, 2006 Share Posted October 28, 2006 I'm going to have to agree with Jordan on this one. He, unlike most of the people who have posted in here so far actually knows what he's talking about. Remember, every has there own beliefs on how they want the game to be like, no one likes all the same things as someone else. Thats why everyone is unique. GameRadar has there review, what others rate it is up to them. You can't go stupid and make dumb comments like " The review was very unprofessional" or "what a asshole". Also, you guys really don't have the right to have an opinion on the game. How many of you have actually played it yet? Exactly, no one. We have read reviews, and have heard information from Rockstar and Magazines on it, but known of us have actually player it first hand yet. Thus we can't have an opinion. And whether the game is amazing or not (and I think it will be a great game, so don't get me wrong there) but everyone has there own wants for it, and Rockstar can't please everyone. You can't just go insulting the author because they told you what they thought of what they had played of it, he has the right to comment on it because he has actually played it. So don't go all unhappy because one place rated it lower then another, its the same with every other game ever released for gaming consoles and PC's. If you don't have it you can't work out whether the game for you or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3niX Posted October 28, 2006 Share Posted October 28, 2006 Well... What is it with you guys? You are arguing over 1.5 point difference on reviews... 8 points isnt a bad score... not at all. And the guy was probably trying to be a little more critical with GTA than other games... and its not because he hates it. Giving a review of something isnt really that easy... you have to draw the general picture of the game. He was pointing out that some of the gameplay and storyline parts werent as good as he had hoped or wanted. He also pointed out that there was actually lack of innovation in gameplay. The biggest difference is going to be the empire building and helicopters... and thats basically it. The review also had this: But before we tossed the UMD in the bin, still in the PSP, we kept going, therefore allowing Vice City Stories to redeem itself, and it does. Eventually. Nobody ever said that it is ub3r bad. Now... on to arguing with Jordan. The graphics engine part is all wrong... It is a different engine... all GTA games have had a different engine from theyre predecessors. The only common thing is that they are based on Renderware... wich... infact... is used by thousands of companies out there. Including EA... But you cant compare Need for Speed to GTA. And why the hell would they have to make a different engine for every game anyway. I agree that the physics base is old... but what do you want from it anyway...you dont need ragdolls in GTA. Seeing Vice City the second time is more of a good thing than bad. I personally enjoyed the setting in the first game... its a great setting and era... why not make it a second time? I think the music part is actually the best part of it all... About the water... I actually dont care... same goes for the jetskis and new vehicles. I think people here have gotten too exited about all of this... But as far as I see GTA Vice City Stories IS a step forward for the series... I think R* has been testing different gameplay components and what-not with the sequels. And GTA IV will probably be the checkpoint of it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demain Posted October 28, 2006 Share Posted October 28, 2006 I have Bully, quite good, npw if only they brought it out on PSP, Id probably play it over VCS, but heh, and also, if yous dont seem to like VCS, get the warriors! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucasV Posted October 28, 2006 Share Posted October 28, 2006 They don't seem to love it that much? They didn't said it was so bad? Eh... What are you talking about? An eight is a good mark if you ask me. Who says this game is worth a nine or a ten. That's what you people are making of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pranjal Posted October 28, 2006 Share Posted October 28, 2006 The graphics engine part is all wrong...It is a different engine... The only common thing is that they are based on Renderware... wich... infact... is used by thousands of companies out there. You are contradicting yourself . First of all you say that VCS is based on another graphics engine.Then you "confirm" that it is based on Renderware. It will be better if you clear this up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3niX Posted October 28, 2006 Share Posted October 28, 2006 Well... Both have had different modifications done to them... which in general means they ARENT the same graphics engines. They are only BASED on Renderware... And Need for Speeds engine (which also is based on Renderware) compared to any of the GTA games isnt the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDude5000 Posted October 28, 2006 Share Posted October 28, 2006 ************** Looks like someone has their panties in a knot. First of all, it's the PSP. Are you expecting them to use RAGE or some other next-gen engine? Pfft. Also, how much do you expect them to add? It's a f*cking 1.8 GB UMD! I think the number of new vehicle types, side-missions, graphical and other features is quite good for this format/system. What were you expecting? Some huge f*cking city with hi-res textures and what not? It's a 1.8 GB UMD for f*cks sake. You're asking way too much of R*, it's a damn handheld they're working with. Get over yourself already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palaric8 Posted October 28, 2006 Share Posted October 28, 2006 BUY BULLY,Complete theme park with rollercoasters and other rides and games...school life...full town...vehicles...slingshots, firecrackers, egg cartons, baseball bats, skateboard, BMX, etc... Bully's charm lies not in originality of gameplay, which is a mishmash of Rockstar's best innovations in five years of reign on PlayStation 2 GAMESPY. 7. Did I mention it was the fifth GTA game to use the same graphics engine? umh bully runs too on the same engine...and has many elements of gta in it.. will you buy Zelda the Ocarina of time for the Nintendo DS? people will,because they will love to play it on the go..the same go to vcs and lcs... if you dont like vcs then wtf are you here.. maybe you dint liked LCS because you played on the PS2,LCS charm lies on the psp,not in PS2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vettefan88 Posted October 28, 2006 Share Posted October 28, 2006 1. Fifth GTA game using the same graphics engine2. Same physics as the past four GTA games (same basic system) 3. We've seen Vice City two times before already... 4. Recycled characters...again... 5. Recycled era. Don't give me that "but it's set TWO YEARS before maaann!" argument. It's two freaking years man... 6. With the recycled era comes the recycled idea to use 80's music. Will VCS have good music? Probably...but hits like Atomic or Kids in America from 2002's VC will always reign supreme. 7. Did I mention it was the fifth GTA game to use the same graphics engine? 1. Wrong, VCS uses a new graphics engine designed purely for the psp, and to handle any size map they throw at it. 2. So what? do want them to change the physics? they got it right the first time, would you rather they use driv3r's? where the bikes ride like crap, or how about the next-gen game saints row where the physics can't even make room for boats and helicopters? the physics in the game isn't even a valid arguement, and you just threw it in there to make your post seem well thought out. 3. two times? are you counting it's appearence in gta I? if so then that doesn't count because it was completely different, and aside form that it has only been seen once already. and since we haven't played VCS it's city in that game hasn't been seen yet. 4. using the same characters help to create a story. instead of using a new set of characters for every game, all of the games come together into one large story of events. 5. The game has to be set at some point in time . GTA has already covered every era, from the 80's and up. and the point of it being vice city STORIES should tell you that it's just a "tie together" of the story. not meant to be a new game, but rather an explanatin of events. and you can't exactly explain how something came to be a decade before it happens, but with only 2 years between them, you can see why things came to be how they were in vice city. 6. well obviously if it's in the 80's it will have 80's music, and thinking "kids in america' is a hit is rather juvenille. With people like Dio, foreigner, marvin gaye, and run DMC already confirmed to be on the radio, I think it's safe to say it'll be up to par with VC's radio from 2002. 7. Yes, you did, but I already told you it wasn't the fifth game to use it, and R* has already made it clear that they developed a graphics engine specifically for the psp, if your going to try to stress such a point, try to make sure it's actually valid... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palaric8 Posted October 28, 2006 Share Posted October 28, 2006 kids on america was a 80s song,same with atomic,why are you bitching about then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vettefan88 Posted October 28, 2006 Share Posted October 28, 2006 kids on america was a 80s song,same with atomic,why are you bitching about then? I wasn't bitching about them, I was just saying that they're not the 'big hits" that made the 2002 version of VC's radio great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDude5000 Posted October 28, 2006 Share Posted October 28, 2006 Agreed vettefan. And let's not forget, let's not forget about multiplayer, and the new modes. Where as SA had co-op, LCS and VC Stories have full fledged multiplayer. And even if they aren't used that much, that's still a huge addition to the GTA series, one which will most likely show up in GTA IV. Also, the water physics have been completely overhauled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palaric8 Posted October 28, 2006 Share Posted October 28, 2006 kids on america was a 80s song,same with atomic,why are you bitching about then? I wasn't bitching about them, I was just saying that they're not the 'big hits" that made the 2002 version of VC's radio great. i was talking to jordan,but thanks to clearing my question jordan:if you dont like vcs,you are welcome to leave this section of the forum.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vettefan88 Posted October 28, 2006 Share Posted October 28, 2006 Agreed vettefan. And let's not forget, let's not forget about multiplayer, and the new modes. Where as SA had co-op, LCS and VC Stories have full fledged multiplayer. And even if they aren't used that much, that's still a huge addition to the GTA series, one which will most likely show up in GTA IV. Also, the water physics have been completely overhauled. exactley. the multiplayer alone is a huge advancement over the console games. and I completely forgot about the new water physics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ell Posted October 28, 2006 Share Posted October 28, 2006 im already pissed off (it took me two and a half hours to make this sig on PAINT! and then i had to change it to various sizes in order for it to be in the size limit but now even though its in the size limit it still doesnt work.) and now i seen this lame excuse of a review, it makes me sick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palaric8 Posted October 28, 2006 Share Posted October 28, 2006 Much like 2005's Grand Theft Auto: Liberty City Stories, Vice City Stories is an extension of the GTA series on PSP using a location made famous on PlayStation 2. Vice City Stories fleshes out the background of the town featured in Grand Theft Auto: Vice City on PlayStation 2, with unique content to make the title more than a port of the original game,jordan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan Posted October 28, 2006 Share Posted October 28, 2006 if you dont like vcs then wtf are you here.. Where the hell are the majority of the veteran GTAForums guys that would easily back up my arguments in a split second? I'm tired of doing all the work damnit... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demain Posted October 28, 2006 Share Posted October 28, 2006 if you dont like vcs then wtf are you here.. Where the hell are the majority of the veteran GTAForums guys that would easily back up my arguments in a split second? I'm tired of doing all the work damnit... Im not a Veteran but i do agree with the majority of your points. YEs they use recycled characters, times and maps, but my argument is, does that make it any less of an enjoyable game? We'll find out next week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adriaan Posted October 28, 2006 Share Posted October 28, 2006 I find this all very interesting. I think I'll just sit here and keep watching this topic.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDude5000 Posted October 28, 2006 Share Posted October 28, 2006 if you dont like vcs then wtf are you here.. Where the hell are the majority of the veteran GTAForums guys that would easily back up my arguments in a split second? I'm tired of doing all the work damnit... So your work is to bash VC Stories then.... The question still remains unanswered. If you don't care for VC Stories, then why are you here? You can easily see that noone really values your opinions/comments on VC Stories, so what's your point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palaric8 Posted October 28, 2006 Share Posted October 28, 2006 nah the vetterans are now 20-to more years old,they dont care about gta and games in general as they did 5 years ago....they come here for the community and friends they got over the years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDude5000 Posted October 28, 2006 Share Posted October 28, 2006 That's not really my point. @Jordan: Even if your argument was valid(which most of it wasn't), so what? You've stated your views on the game already. Good for you. Do you need to re-iterate it? Over, and over? As I said before, get over yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palaric8 Posted October 28, 2006 Share Posted October 28, 2006 the dude500:i wasnt talking to you jordan:ok you make your opinion,without even playing the game...but is only your opinion after all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob. Posted October 28, 2006 Share Posted October 28, 2006 Putting the entire GTA series into context; The GTA's on PSP aren't real GTA's in my honest opinion, and when i say real, i mean they are not true sequels. They are merely a sub-plot based driven game which plays on the hugely successful universe R* has come to create, and for us to love. Rockstar created a series of 3 GTA's, with full storys and plots, each sequel was needed to continue the story, until the last hole was filled in with San Andreas, which just so happened to be in the middle of the timeline (between VC and GTA3) These renditions of GTA's on the PSP are almost like a bonus features disc on a DVD, you can play them to learn more about the GTA universe before it dies with the release of GTA4. But not playing these games won't actually comprimise the player's knowledge of what's going on in any of the full GTA's on the consoles. They continue the series, yes, but it's not like they do much new, GTA sequels improve the series, you can't say LCS and VCS are sequels to SA. Eg. GTA surveys 90% of the liberty city storyline, LCS fills in an uneeded, but quite interesting 10%. In conclusion; GTA's on the PSP aren't sequels becuase they are hampered by the system they run on not allowing them to fully innovate the series, thus not a complete sequels. They are expansion packs to well known story's shown in the larger full scale GTA's on the home consoles. That's why i'm siding with Jordan in this case. But the fact of the matter is, we all love GTA anyway, so we're all going to buy the game, sequel or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucasV Posted October 28, 2006 Share Posted October 28, 2006 (edited) Read through my worse English . Maybe Grand Theft Auto: Vice City Stories isn't that original and new, but I think it's just going to be an enjoyable handheld videogame, just like every other title in the franchise. And don't forget we're talking about a 'portable' game. In my eyes Grand Theft Auto: Liberty City Stories was rated by a couple of websites as a console game, in stead of a portable game. They're arguments we're: 'bad graphics, bad framerate, lot of pop-ups', and all these technical things. It's true what they say, but they forgot that they were reviewing a portable game. Besides, only the fact that Grand Theft Auto went portable was proof to me that you must not complain about the graphical aspect. And maybe the concept is a bit old, it's still fun. At least it's better than all those other crappy titles like Gangs of London or 50 Cent: Bulletproof. And yes, it also doesn't feel to me very special anymore to walk and drive around in an open-wide free-roaming world. Rockstar has to do something new in Grand Theft Auto IV. Something that Grand Theft Auto III did, but then something else. And an eight for a game that doesn't does so much new things, but should be still pretty fun, sounds to me as a good mark. Maybe you people were expecting nines and tens after reading all those previews. If that's so then the hype mislead you. Edited October 28, 2006 by LucasV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan Posted October 28, 2006 Share Posted October 28, 2006 (edited) if you dont like vcs then wtf are you here.. Where the hell are the majority of the veteran GTAForums guys that would easily back up my arguments in a split second? I'm tired of doing all the work damnit... So your work is to bash VC Stories then.... The question still remains unanswered. If you don't care for VC Stories, then why are you here? You can easily see that noone really values your opinions/comments on VC Stories, so what's your point? I'm here to try to set you guys straight. I don't want to see GTA fans acting uneducated. My point is simple: GamesRadar posted a review, and you guys (in a very immature way) attacked the website and reviewer because THERE IS NO WAY THAT THE GAME IS AS BAD AS AN 8/10. 8/10 is not bad. There's no reinvention of the franchise trying to happen here on the PSP, and the 9.5 PSM review is about as reliable as asking a 5-year-old to run a kitchen in a restaurant. PSM Notice the "P" followed by the "S." Put together, they resemble "PlayStation." My partner in science helped me do research on this: Further research has shown that IT DOES STAND FOR PLAYSTATION! And yes, that was sarcasm so don't attack me because you don't know how to detect it. @ palaric8: I made my opinion based on the concept of the game. Edited October 28, 2006 by Jordan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HERDIST Posted October 28, 2006 Share Posted October 28, 2006 We angry for Gamesradar BECAUSE = They adding nothing new in this review NOTHING! They joking with the game! They know nothing about the game! How can i like this review ? This review dont give me an idea about GOOD game or BAD game they JUST JOKING! I keep to wait silently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDude5000 Posted October 28, 2006 Share Posted October 28, 2006 (edited) What, did he have to PM you to back him up? I don't recall seeing you in this forum too much, so that must be it...lol. And spare me the whole "real" GTA thing. Come on, it's ridiculous. And there is no reason this GTA universe is going to "die" with GTA 4. If you're trying to say that GTA 4 will have a new timeline, then you're wrong. GTA 3, VC, SA, LCS, VC Stories, and any other GTA titles to be released in the future(including GTA 4) will take place in the same universe/timeline, unless R* says different. And they haven't. Jordan, we're not talking about that review anymore. Your arrogance in saying "what I said was just true" bugged a few people, simple as that. Your idiotic argument(same engine? lmao, and you're calling us uneducated fans?) against the game didn't help either. Edited October 28, 2006 by TheDude5000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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