edisoncarter Posted October 20, 2006 Share Posted October 20, 2006 New games requiring FW 2.8 and 2.81 are coming out already, and since LCS was almost the first game to use FW 2.0, we can expect VCS to require FW 2.8 or 2.81. Firmware 2.8 has very limited homebrew capabilities, does not have kernel mode, can't downgrade and can't run DevHook. FW 2.81 has zero homebrew. This is not likely to change anytime soon. If we want to use cheats on VCS, we're going to have to stay on FW 2.71 or lower and run it through DevHook. FW 2.8 cannot run DevHook because the kernel mode exploit has been patched. Currently DevHook can't emulate FW 2.8, but it can emulate FW 2.71 and fake a higher version, and according to this: http://www.psp-hacks.com/2006/10/20/umd-requiring-fw-281/ they had a patch out for Star Trek Tactical Assault to fix the incompatibilities almost as soon as it came out. Hopefully it'll be the same way with VCS. To summarize, if you want to be able to use cheats on VCS like we did with CheatDevice on LCS, you'll need to stay on FW 2.71 or lower. Hopefully there will be a patch a few days after release to make VCS run in DevHook. Firmware versions FW 2.71 - kernel mode, can downgrade or run DevHook emulation FW 2.8 - user mode only FW 2.81 - no homebrew at all, you are screwed Firmware exploit history 11-27-05 GTA exploit discovered by edisoncarter 11-29-05 FW 2.6 03-25-06 FW 2.7 - GTA exploit patched (thanks Sony for 4 months!) 06-01-06 FW 2.71 06-28-06 sceKernelLoadExec kernel mode exploit discovered by HitchHikr 07-27-06 FW 2.8 - kernel mode exploit patched (1 month later) 08-21-06 TIFF exploit discovered by NOPx86 09-07-06 FW 2.81 - TIFF exploit patched (17 days later) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuiosikle Posted October 20, 2006 Share Posted October 20, 2006 According to that timeline Sony are getting better at response time when it comes to exploits. Anyways glad your getting the information out there, but we'll still get people complaining/ not knowing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xygtaxy Posted October 20, 2006 Share Posted October 20, 2006 Thanks for the info Edison Carter, I won't be using Cheat Device though, I only used CD for LCS so I could fly Vehicles. In VCS, There will be so many things to do, That CD Wouldn't matter for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d00d Posted October 20, 2006 Share Posted October 20, 2006 In VCS, There will be so many things to do, That CD Wouldn't matter for me. Amen...and its too late for me. Using 2.81 right now. A waste - yes, but I really only use my PSP for what it says on the box, so I'm happy Thanks for the info edison. Hopefully it'll stop a lot of PSP'ers who want CD for VCS in the next couple of weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hax0rofl Posted October 20, 2006 Share Posted October 20, 2006 I'm sticking to 1.50 + Devhook. Even if it has 2.80 modules, we should be able to swap them for 2.71 ones and get the game working under emulated 2.71. Then, we can use PRX cheating devices Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADePSP Posted October 20, 2006 Share Posted October 20, 2006 I wonder what secrets will be uncovered in VCS... This is very promising news for people who want to hack up the game... It was never really about cheating, more to do with making the game your own and sharing mods with others... I'm sure the Pimp My Garage fans (still posting as we speak amazingly) will love to get their hands on the new vehicles settings... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genaga Posted October 20, 2006 Share Posted October 20, 2006 I think it may require 2.71 *As of September 7, 2006, this method is only available for updates up to version 2.71. If thats still true they probaly don't have time to change it but who knows plus 2.8/1 has been decrypted so i think booster will release a devhook for it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuch Posted October 20, 2006 Share Posted October 20, 2006 I've never used any of those DevHook or emulation things, but i have managed to keep my PSP at FW 2.6. Does this mean I need to downgrade to FW 1.5 and install DevHook? And can't play VCS until it gets cracked? Or if i'm completely wrong, could someone explain all this jazz? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seddo Posted October 20, 2006 Share Posted October 20, 2006 Well at the moment im still on firmware 2.71, so im OK, but i am going to downgarde soon anyway. Thanks for the info Edison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamerzworld Posted October 20, 2006 Share Posted October 20, 2006 (edited) I've never used any of those DevHook or emulation things, but i have managed to keep my PSP at FW 2.6. Does this mean I need to downgrade to FW 1.5 and install DevHook? And can't play VCS until it gets cracked? Or if i'm completely wrong, could someone explain all this jazz? Thanks "Does this mean I need to downgrade to FW 1.5 and install DevHook?" Yes "And can't play VCS until it gets cracked?" Hopefully, the game requires 2.71 but if it requires 2.8/2.81, then you need to wait till it gets cracked. Well at the moment im still on firmware 2.71, so im OK, but i am going to downgarde soon anyway. Thanks for the info Edison If you need help downgrading, just PM me. I have downgraded 5 2.71 PSPs successfully. Edited October 20, 2006 by gamerzworld Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADePSP Posted October 20, 2006 Share Posted October 20, 2006 I've never used any of those DevHook or emulation things, but i have managed to keep my PSP at FW 2.6. Does this mean I need to downgrade to FW 1.5 and install DevHook? And can't play VCS until it gets cracked? Or if i'm completely wrong, could someone explain all this jazz? Thanks Stay put for now and when the game comes out wait a few days for someone to make a patch (shouldn't take long)... Then simply downgrade to 1.5, install DevHook and you're all set... Someone will be sure to post a topic for downgrading here (I will if nobody else does)... If the game requires 2.71 then you could even upgrade to 2.71 (NOT 2.8) and play the game whilst waiting for it all to get sorted, then downgrade from 2.71 to 1.5 and all is well... Do not upgrade to 2.8+ Just imagine, anybody for turbo jet skis...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genaga Posted October 20, 2006 Share Posted October 20, 2006 "Does this mean I need to downgrade to FW 1.5 and install DevHook?" Yes Correct answer: no "And can't play VCS until it gets cracked?" Hopefully, the game requires 2.71 but if it requires 2.8/2.81, then you need to wait till it gets cracked. Maybe booster will release dh or a patch is found quick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edisoncarter Posted October 20, 2006 Author Share Posted October 20, 2006 Wait and see how the release turns out before changing your firmware version. We don't have to wait for Booster to make a FW 2.8x emulator. If those other 2.8 and 2.81 games are running in DevHook already, VCS shouldn't have much trouble either. FW 2.71 and 2.8 and 2.81 were all released close together with no big changes. There's probably not all that much changed, making it easy to patch a 2.8x game to run on emulated 2.71. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tuareg Posted October 20, 2006 Share Posted October 20, 2006 Is this a good, or bad thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuch Posted October 20, 2006 Share Posted October 20, 2006 ... Stay put for now and when the game comes out wait a few days for someone to make a patch (shouldn't take long)... Then simply downgrade to 1.5, install DevHook and you're all set... Someone will be sure to post a topic for downgrading here (I will if nobody else does)... If the game requires 2.71 then you could even upgrade to 2.71 (NOT 2.8) and play the game whilst waiting for it all to get sorted, then downgrade from 2.71 to 1.5 and all is well... Do not upgrade to 2.8+ Hopefully it'll require 2.71 then, because the instance VCS pops through my door, i'll be playing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wesyeed Posted October 20, 2006 Share Posted October 20, 2006 (edited) He's right. If games are coming out now, the 20th of october with firmware 2.8, there's close to no doubt left that a system selling game like GTA will have the latest update on it too. That's pretty sad. I've only heard rumors that 2.8 can be emulated. Let's hope it's true, then we should be ok for cheats. And to those who don't care for cheats (or gameplay modifications as I call it), your loss. They're a lot of fun after the missions are finished. Edited October 20, 2006 by Wesyeed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wesyeed Posted October 20, 2006 Share Posted October 20, 2006 (edited) Is this a good, or bad thing? good/bad. Good if you stay on 1.5. Bad if you upgrade when you get the VCS disc since 2.8+ isn't downgradable. However if it's 2.8, most likely we're a go for cheat device fun like last time, but only if you have a devhook capable psp. If it's 2.81, it's unknown whether a cd will be possible but most are positive it is. Edited October 20, 2006 by Wesyeed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topdogkiller Posted October 20, 2006 Share Posted October 20, 2006 its kind of sad that the kernel exploit is blocked on 2.81. I really like cheat device, it started me to go into the homebrew world, i wish sony would notice the homebrew world for once. Maybe they would reconcider about tryiny to patch the kernel exploit. I now face myself asking to let go what's been on my psp screen for gta, or try to downgrade it. I've read info on downgrading for like the past 6 months but I was afraid that I might f*ck my psp up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brandon6199 Posted October 20, 2006 Share Posted October 20, 2006 I've never used any of those DevHook or emulation things, but i have managed to keep my PSP at FW 2.6. Does this mean I need to downgrade to FW 1.5 and install DevHook? And can't play VCS until it gets cracked? Or if i'm completely wrong, could someone explain all this jazz? Thanks "Does this mean I need to downgrade to FW 1.5 and install DevHook?" Yes "And can't play VCS until it gets cracked?" Hopefully, the game requires 2.71 but if it requires 2.8/2.81, then you need to wait till it gets cracked. Well at the moment im still on firmware 2.71, so im OK, but i am going to downgarde soon anyway. Thanks for the info Edison If you need help downgrading, just PM me. I have downgraded 5 2.71 PSPs successfully. Hey Aj I didn't know you had 5 PSP's. Did you buy 4 last night? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamerzworld Posted October 20, 2006 Share Posted October 20, 2006 I've never used any of those DevHook or emulation things, but i have managed to keep my PSP at FW 2.6. Does this mean I need to downgrade to FW 1.5 and install DevHook? And can't play VCS until it gets cracked? Or if i'm completely wrong, could someone explain all this jazz? Thanks "Does this mean I need to downgrade to FW 1.5 and install DevHook?" Yes "And can't play VCS until it gets cracked?" Hopefully, the game requires 2.71 but if it requires 2.8/2.81, then you need to wait till it gets cracked. Well at the moment im still on firmware 2.71, so im OK, but i am going to downgarde soon anyway. Thanks for the info Edison If you need help downgrading, just PM me. I have downgraded 5 2.71 PSPs successfully. Hey Aj I didn't know you had 5 PSP's. Did you buy 4 last night? Didn't say I have 5 PSPs. 1. My PSP 2. Your (Brandon) PSP 3. Some one on IRC 4. Some one on IRC 5. Some one on IRC and now... 6. Seddo87's PSP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seddo Posted October 20, 2006 Share Posted October 20, 2006 Yep i am now on 1.5 firmware and am raring to go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brandon6199 Posted October 20, 2006 Share Posted October 20, 2006 I've never used any of those DevHook or emulation things, but i have managed to keep my PSP at FW 2.6. Does this mean I need to downgrade to FW 1.5 and install DevHook? And can't play VCS until it gets cracked? Or if i'm completely wrong, could someone explain all this jazz? Thanks "Does this mean I need to downgrade to FW 1.5 and install DevHook?" Yes "And can't play VCS until it gets cracked?" Hopefully, the game requires 2.71 but if it requires 2.8/2.81, then you need to wait till it gets cracked. Well at the moment im still on firmware 2.71, so im OK, but i am going to downgarde soon anyway. Thanks for the info Edison If you need help downgrading, just PM me. I have downgraded 5 2.71 PSPs successfully. Hey Aj I didn't know you had 5 PSP's. Did you buy 4 last night? Didn't say I have 5 PSPs. 1. My PSP 2. Your (Brandon) PSP 3. Some one on IRC 4. Some one on IRC 5. Some one on IRC and now... 6. Seddo87's PSP DOWNGRADING 5 2.71 PSP's means that you downgrading them yourself, and not downgrading other PSP's on the internet. By the way, how would you DOWNGRADE other people's PSP's? You maybe helped them, but didnt physically downgrade them. And Edison, I can't wait for your next masterpiece Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edisoncarter Posted October 20, 2006 Author Share Posted October 20, 2006 Is this a good, or bad thing? good/bad. Good if you stay on 1.5. Bad if you upgrade when you get the VCS disc since 2.8+ isn't downgradable. However if it's 2.8, most likely we're a go for cheat device fun like last time, but only if you have a devhook capable psp. If it's 2.81, it's unknown whether a cd will be possible but most are positive it is. If it can run in DevHook then we automatically can do cheats. DevHook makes it real easy to insert a PRX that can do whatever it wants to the game. It's just a question of will we be able to run a 2.8/2.81 game on emulated 2.71, which looks very promising, and whether a lot of people will upgrade to 2.8x and not be able to downgrade to run DevHook, which looks like more of a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamming Posted October 21, 2006 Share Posted October 21, 2006 Maybe this theory could be correct. GTA VCS went "gold" a 2 days after the first game required firmware 8+. So maybe rockstar would be a little bit slow and din't update it with that requirement. Its our only hope really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADePSP Posted October 21, 2006 Share Posted October 21, 2006 It's as simple as this, DO NOT UPGRADE TO 2.8 OR ABOVE At least give it a couple of days if you enjoyed all the fun we had before... It really is that simple... Keep checking back here... Maybe VCS will be 2.71 in which case upgrade there and NO FUTHER... DO NOT GO TO 2.8...!!!!!!!!!!!!! ADePSP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genaga Posted October 21, 2006 Share Posted October 21, 2006 We can emulate 2.8+ some good devs have it maybe hes waiting for more 2.8 game to come out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The-end Posted October 21, 2006 Share Posted October 21, 2006 If Vcs is already in Mass production it is possible for it to be 2.71, but the chances are very very slim. I got Family Guy: The Video Game for PSP which was released I think a day or 2 ago, it only required 2.71 so it would seem some new games are still getting produced with 2.71. I'm not really bothred, so far all games have been cracked, even those said to be uncrackable. VCS won't be hard, it will probably just be a matter of people having to dump there UMD and changing a few files with older versions for lower firmware. Up until devhook emulated 2.6 many 2.6 games could be played on 2.5 using this method. As said we will just have to see how things go . Lets just say, with devhook you will be fine. Thanks for the info Edison and Ade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrelly Posted October 21, 2006 Share Posted October 21, 2006 (edited) On LCS cant you edit a hunter into a garage for 2.7 and higher if you can edit a maverick. And if you think you can run a cheat device for 2.71 on VCS cant u do that on LCS. Thanks Sam Farrelly Edited October 21, 2006 by Farrelly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edisoncarter Posted October 21, 2006 Author Share Posted October 21, 2006 On LCS cant you edit a hunter into a garage for 2.7 and higher if you can edit a maverick. And if you think you can run a cheat device for 2.71 on VCS cant u do that on LCS.Thanks Sam Farrelly I could convert CheatDevice to a PRX and you could use it by running LCS through DevHook. Even if you were emulating FW 2.71 and had the new patched LCS disk, it would work. The patch only stops the way I was loading through the savefile. I haven't bothered doing a PRX because LCS is old news, and most people are still able to use the savefile version. Perhaps if I convert it to a PRX for VCS, I'll convert the LCS one while I'm at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamerzworld Posted October 21, 2006 Share Posted October 21, 2006 Edison, Here is another game that just came out and it requires 2.81. http://0okm.blogspot.com/2006/10/1st-fw281...-work-with.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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