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GM Dude

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GM Dude

I don't think so.

First of all, there wasn't any porn in there.

Pretty damn obvious, don'tcha think?

And what about the people who wanted it banned?

They lacked common sense, didn't they?

 

Just my 2 cents{If this is in the wrong place, can somebody please move it?}.

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Quadropheniac90

So what? As long as Whacko Jacko can convince people around the world otherwise, there's gonna be nothing different. It's proven Jack Thompson is an idiot, but we can't help that, now can we? confused.gif

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Bigs

You have OCD, dude. tounge.gif

 

But for your question, personally I don't like the AO rating at all. I think the highest should be 17/18+. But, for ESRB's system, I think the AO was the right decision. And yeah, there wasn't porn, but there was excessive drug use, excessive swearing, strong sexual content, etc. It isn't fit for most 12 year olds in my opinion. And when the hot coffee thing came up, I don't think ESRB had any choice really.

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GM Dude

They should've made M 15+ like in Australia.

 

 

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Bigs

Why?

 

I'm not saying I disagree with you, but I'm just curious why you think that.

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gta_player5

The AO rating was a bit ridiculous in my opinion. The game was already rated M, and in the U.S. that means it can only be sold to those who are either 17 or over the age of 17, so I don't understand why they changed it when it basically was already at an Adults Only rating. The AO ratings restricts many stores from selling it, but it does not stop other places from selling it, ie internet stores. I just don't understand the decision on making it that rating.

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Bigs

 

The AO ratings restricts many stores from selling it

 

 

I just don't understand the decision on making it that rating.

 

You said it right there. The stores that stop selling are ones like Walmart, Target, other stores like that. And, atleast from what I've seen and done myself, that is where most kids acquire games like SA. Either the store not caring about age, or the kid having someone older buy it for him/her. I mean, obviously big fans of the game like most of the people on this board will buy it at another place, the internet, etc.

 

But for the majority, the 'casual fans', I think just wouldn't get it if it wasn't in a place like walmart.

 

Like I said earlier, I don't really agree with the AO rating, but I can definitely see how a game like SA could be slapped with that grade.

 

 

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GM Dude

I think, if anything, it could have been rated T with a no-nudity patch available.

 

Come on, most kids in most countries aren't total wackos, so they wouldn't copy this s**t.

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gta_player5
I think, if anything, it could have been rated T with a no-nudity patch available.

 

Come on, most kids in most countries aren't total wackos, so they wouldn't copy this s**t.

No, it couldn't have been rated T. The game contains extensive drug use, strong sexual content (whether it have porn or not), intense violence, and strong language. All of those features are categorized under the M rating according to te ESRB. So there is no way it could ever be rated T, the only way to do so would most likely be to tone down the violence, take out the vast majority of the sexual content, tone down the language, and totally remove the drug use. This game according to the ESRB is not suitable for children under the age of 17, they are correct to an extent. The game will never be rated down to a T rating, simple.

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gillies

The government censor here gave it R18 in the first place, and there isn't anything higher (except in the case of "Manhunt" which was banned from sale completely). I probably agree with you that it is stupid - afterall tales of worse things happening in reality are told on the news daily. bored.gif

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GM Dude

@gillies: I agree with you there.

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Iminicus

I honestly don't understand why you are getting your panties in a twist GM Dude. How old are you? If you answer 16 or under, I will then like you to answer this. Why are you playing a game that is rated Mature ( 17 + ) when you do not even meet the age requirement?

 

Look at videogames like theme park rides. You know at Six Flags, Great America, Disneyland/world, how they have height reqiurements? Well, that is the same principle as an age rating. It says 'Your not old enough for this ride/videogame/movie, so just accept that. If you can't accept that find someone old enough to buy the game/movie for you.

 

I, myself, have never had any trouble getting my hands on games I shouldn't have. Have never been ID'd for any game since I was 12 and brought Teen and Mature rated games. Maybe your problem GM Dude is you look too young.

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GM Dude

The problem is, I have no problem getting my hands on M-rated games{I have a copy of Halo myself and I was only 12 when I bought it}.

 

What really and truly bugs me is why they gave SA the AO rating.

Why the f*** would it deserve an AO rating without actual porn?

 

gta_player5: Guess you got a point there.

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Icarus
Why the f*** would it deserve an AO rating without actual porn?

Probably due to the emphasis on strong drug content, extreme violence and sexual content, which is what most people have said in the topic so far, notwithstanding the fact you have your activists strongly opposed to the game that will more than likely have an influence on the rating.

 

Does it bother me that it's AO? Not really, because I'm 18 but I do think the minimum rating should be Mature, because it's definitely not meant for younger kids. Then again, I suppose what I should really say is that as long as a person can play the game and use logical thinking and not re-imitate most of what goes on during gameplay, then they're mature enough to handle it.

 

The rating system is complicated; I guess I wouldn't really argue with a teenager playing it, but someone who's, say, eight-years-old, yeah, there's a problem there. I think they would be a tad too young, even if they can distinguish real life from a video game.

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GM Dude

Icarus: I do agree with you that younger kids really shouldn't play GTA.

But, I'm only 16 and I've played Vice City and both of the 2D GTAs., and I haven't been affected in any way.

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Canoxa

Me neither. People have the right to express their opinion. Including powerful people. Most cases had some deep problems behind. Most of a kid's life is passed at school. Troubles at home, he brings them to school. Someone pisses you off, and you're so tired of what's going on, you just explode and get some revenge on the poor bully. The game didn't thaught you to pull the trigger, only to hit O, nor it ordered you to. The original mature rating was indeed very correct. Someone 17 has his/her life already minimally organized. And they'll be Mature enough not to be influenced. Which sometimes does not happen amongst teens.

 

Fogot to say - To finish off, I'm thirteen, and was never afraid to hide my age. In 99 I was six. Played GTA1, loved to blow cars with those little karts of rc cars or something, don't quite remember. Played from GTA to Liberty City Stories, except for Advance, and I still don't feel the urge to kill, use drugs or blowjob someone.

 

Specially the last.

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GM Dude

@Canoxa: Good for you.

 

Now, if only we could get Jack Thompson to listen............

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Quadropheniac90

His swollen brain blocks his ears. He has all the grannies and mummies behind him, and I don't see that sexual insecure prick change his mind soon.

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GM Dude

I wonder how many Fundamentalists are masturbating to him?

 

I betcha they hate GTA, too.

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Bigs

Like I've said a billion times, kids reach that mature level at different stages in their life. Some reach it at 11, others at 19. ESRB doesn't want to take the chance that some immature 11 year old get their hands on something like SA, it could screw them up.

 

@GM Dude: So you think everything that doesn't have porn or nudity should be for everyone? So I soppose you feel the movie Scarface should be rated G?

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GM Dude
Like I've said a billion times, kids reach that mature level at different stages in their life. Some reach it at 11, others at 19. ESRB doesn't want to take the chance that some immature 11 year old get their hands on something like SA, it could screw them up.

 

@GM Dude: So you think everything that doesn't have porn or nudity should be for everyone? So I soppose you feel the movie Scarface should be rated G?

Well, I suppose we could keep violent games and movies away from the younger kids, but I think this shouldn't apply to persons 13+ and older.

And, btw, I reached maturity when I was 12.

 

I think the ESRB does a wonderful job overall, but they f***ing screwed up on San Andreas.

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