-beeblebrox- Posted August 5, 2006 Share Posted August 5, 2006 (edited) I was just watching the qualifying for the Hungarian Grand Prix, and it got me thinking about safety in the sport today, which in turn got me thinking of Ayrton Senna. Call me morbid, but I'd never actually seen his fatal crash before, and went searching for it on Youtube, what I found instead was this, footage of the aftermath of the crash. Before any flaming that may take place, I'd like to point out that I'm not forcing anyone to watch this, I just posted it here for those who may be interested. However, please be warned, it is (in my opinion at least) rather chilling to watch, and this is the main reason I posted it, because of how powerful these 5 minutes of footage are. I would however disagree with the Youtube submitter's 'very gruesome' warning, chilling is definately a better word to describe it, and there's nothing that anyone will be 'grossed out' by. I'm not claiming to be greatly familiar with the guy, I was only 7 at the time of the crash (1st May 1994), but from what I've heard he was a brilliant driver, still sorely missed around the world. Edited August 5, 2006 by -beeblebrox- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuckindumass Posted August 5, 2006 Share Posted August 5, 2006 Yes, not gruesome, that's a good thing. There is a small puddle of blood left behind when they take him to the chopper though. You can ride along with him on his last lap, although you don't get to crash with him. last lap Seemed like a good driver.....I wonder what went wrong. From the damage to the car, I'll guess he slid into a wall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-beeblebrox- Posted August 6, 2006 Author Share Posted August 6, 2006 (edited) Yeah I've read about his last lap, by some amazing coincidence the TV director cut the feed to the on-board camera at the same time he left the track, so we may never know exactly what happened. However, it is known that, although he was resuscitated and his heart was made to beat again at the scene, he was pretty much dead because the front right wheel with suspension attached hit him in the face and crushed his cranium. The big question is, as you say, how and why he left the track in the first place. The most popular theory seems to be that his steering completely fooked, or even that the steering wheel came off in his hands moments before. The on-board footage does clearly show his looking down at the wheel seconds before the crash, and a temporary chop-and-weld change to the length of the steering column had taken place before the race. Some even say that close analysis of the footage shows him steering full lock to the left with no effect on the movement of the wheels. We do know that he left the track at over 180mph and managed to slow the car before hitting the wall, but he was still going 135mph when he impacted with the concrete. Anyway, I've said enough for now, for more on that kind of thing, check here. Edited August 6, 2006 by -beeblebrox- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LT.Diablo Posted August 7, 2006 Share Posted August 7, 2006 Well that was strange,I found the music to be more chilling than the imagery itself although at the beggining when he was sat there it looked really........surreal or somtheing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperAguri Posted August 7, 2006 Share Posted August 7, 2006 There is another theory as to why Ayrton died which hasn't been mentioned. At the start of the race there was a collision between two cars, which brought out the Safety Car. A Safety Car period was almost brand new in F1, having been used only once before then, 21 years previously. The theory is that the 5 laps behind the Safety Car made the tyre pressures in Senna's car drop to such a low level (because of lack of temperature because of the slow running behind the Safety Car) that the ride height of the car slumped. Therefore when the race began again at racing speed, Senna was running with his car literally millimetres off the ground. At Imola, the first corner, Tamburello, in it's pre-1995 days, was a bumpy 190mph left hander taken flat out. There was a large bump in the middle of the corner, which most drivers chose to drive around the outside of. On his first run round Tamburello, Senna hit the large bump in the middle of Tamburello and the camera showed a huge shower of sparks coming from the underside of Senna's Williams. This showed that the floor of the car was hitting the ground. That time Senna got round safely. But the next time, he hit the same bump but for some reason he didn't go round and instead, went off. The rest is history. Whatever the cause, the death of Senna, and Roland Ratzenberger the day before also, shook F1 and the world, and thankfully in the proceeding 12 years the worst a driver has suffered is two broken legs. But thankfully in the last 5 years drivers have been able to walk away from massive crashes, which is a testament to how strong the modern carbon fibre F1 car is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LT.Diablo Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 There is another theory as to why Ayrton died which hasn't been mentioned. At the start of the race there was a collision between two cars, which brought out the Safety Car. A Safety Car period was almost brand new in F1, having been used only once before then, 21 years previously. The theory is that the 5 laps behind the Safety Car made the tyre pressures in Senna's car drop to such a low level (because of lack of temperature because of the slow running behind the Safety Car) that the ride height of the car slumped. Therefore when the race began again at racing speed, Senna was running with his car literally millimetres off the ground. At Imola, the first corner, Tamburello, in it's pre-1995 days, was a bumpy 190mph left hander taken flat out. There was a large bump in the middle of the corner, which most drivers chose to drive around the outside of. On his first run round Tamburello, Senna hit the large bump in the middle of Tamburello and the camera showed a huge shower of sparks coming from the underside of Senna's Williams. This showed that the floor of the car was hitting the ground. That time Senna got round safely. But the next time, he hit the same bump but for some reason he didn't go round and instead, went off. The rest is history. Whatever the cause, the death of Senna, and Roland Ratzenberger the day before also, shook F1 and the world, and thankfully in the proceeding 12 years the worst a driver has suffered is two broken legs. But thankfully in the last 5 years drivers have been able to walk away from massive crashes, which is a testament to how strong the modern carbon fibre F1 car is. I actually heard this theory on a documentry a while ago,to me it seems like the most likely cause of the accident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-beeblebrox- Posted August 9, 2006 Author Share Posted August 9, 2006 Hmm, I heard that too, although I'm not convinced, if the car had hit the ground, I don't think it would have left the track in such a straight line. The fact the steering column was chopped and re-welded is dodgy if you ask me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brutuz Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 I think that the New sterring System was bumped off by the two bumps after the safety car Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANANAMOOSE Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 What ever the cause, it is a horrible shame that he died. He had the talent that to become a legend for his driving. Now he seem to be mostly remebered for his crash. Perhaps he would have set the record that have been set by Schumacher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3niX Posted August 22, 2006 Share Posted August 22, 2006 Well... I have heard about the accident. There is a video of it... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9cbIbs9iTU Shame really what happened... A highly skilled man died. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuckindumass Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 A terrible tragidy.....thanks for the vid.....he hit that wall so hard...I did not see any steering correction, either he had lost steering control, or was not able to steer atm.... Either way, a legend in the making was cut short. This is a lesson to us all. You could be standing on a sidewalk, leaning up aganst a skyscraper, and a moment later, a crazed ricer could lose control and snuff you out, a brick from the top level could fall and pass through your body......live now, for tomorrow could not be for you........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
millermagic Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 It is very bad when these type of things happen, and moreso when they can't figure out why. But when you're driving things happen quite quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-maddog- Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 Sad to see such a personality go, i saw a doc on it and he really seemed like a great guy.. Chiling vid. I find the Tom Pryce video gruesome, dunno if i should post it, but it's up to you wether or not you click it.. friggin bizarre accident! Full Story !!!!!Last warning, it's pretty hardcore!!!!! Tom Pryce Vid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommiegunz Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 Pretty hardcore? I really stood there with my mouth wide open for a minute or so Unbelievable, that guy was torn away by the f1 driver. First this guy then Aryton Senna from 1994 and another loss, which is the most newest; Richard Burns This is one dangerous sport this is, no matter how safe the cars are. Well let's hope that this doens't to me tomorrow.... Driving exam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-beeblebrox- Posted August 26, 2006 Author Share Posted August 26, 2006 That Tom Pryce vid is insane, I've never seen anything like that before in real life, those marshals were f*ckin' stupid to cross the track near a blind crest though. And tommiegunz, you're right, it is a dangerous sport, a car once left the track when I was watching a race and it missed me and my parents by about a metre, I'm pretty sure that woulda been the end of me back in 1999 had it have been slightly to the left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lurchseesu420 Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 o man not the tom price video again. i saw that thing about 3 months ago and it was the first time i had ever felt sick seein somethin in a car wreck. some other ones that are pretty bad are Lorenzo Bandini, Ricardo Paletti, Gilles Villeneuve, Roger Williamson. i warn you though the roger williamson video shows an f1 car upside down burning with williamson burning inside and David Purley trying to save him and then giving up hope. its pretty sad. and the gilles villeneuve wreck shows him getting thrown from the car like a ragdoll and hitting a fence. pretty gruesome. but none are quite as gruesome as the tom pryce crash. also i dont no how to use a computer all that well so no links. youll just have to paste the name on youtube search like i did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTA3Rockstar Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 Yes, not gruesome, that's a good thing. There is a small puddle of blood left behind when they take him to the chopper though. You can ride along with him on his last lap, although you don't get to crash with him. last lap Seemed like a good driver.....I wonder what went wrong. From the damage to the car, I'll guess he slid into a wall. Little puddle? That was a hefty amount of blood he lost. I never heard of him, only of Dale Earnhardt and that other F1 driver(Not to long) die Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tchuck Posted September 17, 2006 Share Posted September 17, 2006 He wasn't just a good driver, he was one of the best drivers.. Especially under wet conditions.. That race in Donnington.. Puts to shame most of the F1 stuff nowadays... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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