Official Street Racing Topic

[EvilPenguin]

For rally rules.

[GM Dude]

@EvilPenguin: Oh, okay, I see.

 

@Brutuz: Is it an older one?

I didn't know they had those down there..........

[Dup]

 

 

It was nearly 11 on a balmy June night in Muttontown, a New York City suburb. Two teenagers raced fast cars down a tree-lined thoroughfare. The 19-year-old, home from freshman year at Tulane University, steered a new Mercedes with a license plate that read 4MRNICE. The 17-year-old, a high school junior, accelerated a two-year-old Corvette. At an intersection, within a second of each other, both cars smashed into a red Jeep, killing a nurse and her fiancé. At the hospital, one of the youths told a detective they were driving 50 m.p.h. to 55 m.p.h.

 

But unbeknownst to the teens and their families, there was a hidden witness to the race. A palm-size microcomputer, embedded in the Corvette's air-bag system, revealed that the car was traveling 139 m.p.h. The data, downloaded by police after the vehicle was impounded, convinced a grand jury to indict the youths on murder charges, based on "depraved indifference to human life." In the end, they pleaded guilty to manslaughter and assault, and are now serving a three-year prison term. "The minute the prosecutors had the speed from the 'black box,' they upped the charges to murder," says Richard Slade, whose son Blake was driving the Mercedes. "They had what they needed to force a plea down our throats."

 

 

Another street racing related news piece.

[ANANAMOOSE]

What model year and how fast?

I believe it is a 1965. As for how fast, I am not sure. I now that has to be between 4 and 5 seconds for naught to sixty. If I recall correctly it does the quartre mile in 11 seconds. Right now it is off the road due to the fact the the trani is completely destroyed... don't ask how that happened.

[GM Dude]

 

It was nearly 11 on a balmy June night in Muttontown, a New York City suburb. Two teenagers raced fast cars down a tree-lined thoroughfare. The 19-year-old, home from freshman year at Tulane University, steered a new Mercedes with a license plate that read 4MRNICE. The 17-year-old, a high school junior, accelerated a two-year-old Corvette. At an intersection, within a second of each other, both cars smashed into a red Jeep, killing a nurse and her fiancé. At the hospital, one of the youths told a detective they were driving 50 m.p.h. to 55 m.p.h.

 

But unbeknownst to the teens and their families, there was a hidden witness to the race. A palm-size microcomputer, embedded in the Corvette's air-bag system, revealed that the car was traveling 139 m.p.h. The data, downloaded by police after the vehicle was impounded, convinced a grand jury to indict the youths on murder charges, based on "depraved indifference to human life." In the end, they pleaded guilty to manslaughter and assault, and are now serving a three-year prison term. "The minute the prosecutors had the speed from the 'black box,' they upped the charges to murder," says Richard Slade, whose son Blake was driving the Mercedes. "They had what they needed to force a plea down our throats."

 

 

Another street racing related news piece.

It's sad, but at least street racing deaths aren't as common as drunk driving deaths.

 

And why did they get charged with murder?

They didn't kill them on purpose.

And how do they know the kids had 'depraved indifference to human life'? Is that a fact?

I think that's a bit much:

Here in Texas, you might get charged with manslaughter, but never murder.

[Kaj.]

And why did they get charged with murder?

They didn't kill them on purpose.

f*cking ignorant.

 

Say you're screwing around with a firearm, you know it's loaded, you point it at someone, lightly touch the trigger.

 

BLAM!

 

 

You get charged with murder. Your defense?

 

"It's not like I meant to do it."

 

 

 

 

Think about that.

[GM Dude]

@-Kajun-:Okay, now that's different, because you probably meant to shoot the person.

 

Murder-Killing someone intentionally, regardless of motive.

 

Manslaughter-Killing someone unintentionally, but not necessarily accidentally.

 

Voluntary Manslaughter-You meant to just harm a person, but they actually died.

 

Involuntary Manslaughter-Something went wrong; you didn't mean to maim/kill the victim, but you did.

 

Trust me, I watch crime shows.

 

[holdenrulz]

I think the logic goes like this:

Since they knew that travelling at those speed if they had an accident, someone would most likely die, and they still proceded with their actions with disregard for those around them, there your get the depraved indifference or Murder

 

From Wikipedia/Murder/The United States Paragraph

The intent to commit murder is often called malice aforethought, and can be inferred when the defendant commits an act that shows depraved indifference to human life, or (in federal court and those states that apply the felony murder rule) whenever a victim is killed during the commission of another felony,

Since they showed depraved indifference to human life they can be charged with murder

Edited August 9, 2006 by holdenrulz

[tuff_luv_capo]

Guns were built to kill. Cars were meant to transport.

 

Police are allowed to speed when chasing someone, as are firetrucks, ambulances, etc...

 

If a spectator accidentally walks through a gate onto a destruction derby and gets killed, who's fault is it? The driver or the dumb bitch who didn't pay attention?

 

I'm playing devil's advocate as I understand most street racers are 16 year old punks who just got their license and are still fresh on the high from FnF3, but my step-dad has street-raced his old ass muscle cars for almost 35 years and has never been in an accident. My sister has been driving casually for 4 years and has hit one pedestrian, and been involved in two accidents.

 

It all depends on the person.

 

 

[GM Dude]

@holdenrulz: And just how do they know that these people didn't care about others?

They said that they thought these kids didn't care, but they didn't know it as fact.

What if they really did worry about killing other people??

Think about it............

 

@Tuff Luv Capo: Very well said.

 

[Dup]

But tell me please, how can the law trust anyone street racing? As everyone is different, you can't control it.

 

So instead of taking a chance, the law takes it off the street and rightly so. What do you want them to do, introduce a street racing license for those who are "good drivers"? Give people a license to needlessly endager other peoples lives.

 

People may worry about killing others and may not intend to. But you're a stupid c*nt if you're doing twice, three or four times the speed of others around you. If you kill someone you deserve to be punished and punished hard, no matter what you individually think.

 

Police, Firetrucks and Ambulances speed becasue they have been trained to do it safely and have a license to do so under Emergency conditions. That doesn't mean they're the best drivers in the world but it is their civic duty to be there for the protection of others.

 

Just becasue daddy didn't kill anyone or himself doesn't mean he's a good driver. Your sister may just have been in the wrong place at the wrong time, although judging by your stated genepool shes probably another f*ckwit American anyway. Just becasue Daddy didn't doe or kill doesn't mean its ok for you or anyone else to street race. Laws and people have changed a lot over 35 years and the environment also.

 

Street racing is not accepted or expected in the modern world where back in the 50's is was a great part of teenage life and the aduts around it were just as hot rod as the next kid. These days its nothing like that.

[tuff_luv_capo]

 

But tell me please, how can the law trust anyone street racing? As everyone is different, you can't control it.

 

So instead of taking a chance, the law takes it off the street and rightly so. What do you want them to do, introduce a street racing license for those who are "good drivers"? Give people a license to needlessly endager other peoples lives.

 

People may worry about killing others and may not intend to. But you're a stupid c*nt if you're doing twice, three or four times the speed of others around you. If you kill someone you deserve to be punished and punished hard, no matter what you individually think.

 

Police, Firetrucks and Ambulances speed becasue they have been trained to do it safely and have a license to do so under Emergency conditions. That doesn't mean they're the best drivers in the world but it is their civic duty to be there for the protection of others.

 

Just becasue daddy didn't kill anyone or himself doesn't mean he's a good driver. Your sister may just have been in the wrong place at the wrong time, although judging by your stated genepool shes probably another f*ckwit American anyway. Just becasue Daddy didn't doe or kill doesn't mean its ok for you or anyone else to street race. Laws and people have changed a lot over 35 years and the environment also.

 

Street racing is not accepted or expected in the modern world where back in the 50's is was a great part of teenage life and the aduts around it were just as hot rod as the next kid. These days its nothing like that.

I love how all your posts are directed at me regardless of who else is in here. Makes me feel special. Don't worry, I'm used to it.

 

As far as the "daddy" comments, I said step-dad you illiterate geeky thing. I was using him as reference, not to say that I was in his gene-pool, which he is not, hence the "step-part" (sigh..idiot).

 

And as for my sister being in the wrong place at the wrong time, I guess you're right. It explains everything. Too bad it can be said about every accident in the world you unoriginal dork.

 

You're posts are pathetic and amusing. I'd rather be a "f*ckwit" american than an amusingly envious geeky guppy who thinks he's big sh*t because he acts older than he is.

 

lol @ you.

 

 

EDIT- I now realize how stupidly you read my last post. I was not saying that because police can speed, so can street racers. I was breaking down the very generic statement that anyone in the world who speeds is a killer.

 

I won't bother correcting everything else wrong with how you think.

Edited August 9, 2006 by Tuff Luv Capo

[Cran.]

Who cares if someone doesn't die from street racing, it's still no excuse to put other peoples lives in danger. If someone you knew died from the result of street racing, you'd think differently about it.

[Kaj.]

@-Kajun-:Okay, now that's different, because you probably meant to shoot the person.

Nah. There was no intention to kill in that particular situation. He was just f*cking around with a loaded gun. Street racing is just f*cking around with a loaded gun too, regardless of how long you've done it, or how good you are at driving.

 

 

There well never be a reason that justifies street racing. Ever.

[Cran.]

There well never be a reason that justifies street racing. Ever.

o yes dere is i jusd gott my 85 subaruu legacy with a sicke turbo and i need ta race it man!1!1!

 

[Dr Doidberg]

from my experiences most anti-street racing people do not own their own car.

 

theres a time and a place for it why cant people understand that? street racing has been going on since cars were invented.

[ANANAMOOSE]

I have actually taken part in some street racing. It is exhillerating, there is no denying that, but that it puts peple in danger and is therefore wrong. Granted, I only do it on back roads that have very little traffic, there is too much of a risk to other people.

[GM Dude]

Who cares if someone doesn't die from street racing, it's still no excuse to put other peoples lives in danger. If someone you knew died from the result of street racing, you'd think differently about it.

@cran: I don't think I would count it as murder, unless they meant to kill someone.

Yes, even involuntary manslaughter should have some punishment, but not too much.

 

@-Kajun-: Okay then, but still, here's the thing:

 

When you're screwing with a gun, you know that if you fire, you will maim/kill a person.

 

With street racing, you don't know what may happen, because it's impossible to predict the flow of traffic.

 

@Dr. Doidberg: Exactly.

You have spoken words of truth, and I applaud you for that.

[Kaj.]

With street racing, you don't know what may happen, because it's impossible to predict the flow of traffic.

EXACTLY! That's even MORE reason not to do it. Why take the risk of killing yourself (and more importantly, others, since your a knob for racing in the first place)? So you can pop a stiffy from going fast? Watch porn, it's safer.

[ANANAMOOSE]

GO TO THE f*ckING TRACK! People have places where you can race with no no risk to people who aren't envolved. It is not very expensive, so don't put others at risk.

[GM Dude]

 

With street racing, you don't know what may happen, because it's impossible to predict the flow of traffic.

EXACTLY! That's even MORE reason not to do it. Why take the risk of killing yourself (and more importantly, others, since your a knob for racing in the first place)? So you can pop a stiffy from going fast? Watch porn, it's safer.

You missed the point, buddy.

My point was, murder is NOT a proper charge for street racing deaths, since the deaths are almost always unintentional.

 

Now, with a gun, you're much more likely to get charged with murder because it's likely you chose to use it to kill someone, and you know that it has the power to do so.

 

And porn? I don't want to turn into a serial rapist.

 

If you don't like it, that's your opinion, OK?

 

[Dup]

Was Jesus a Street Racer?

[ANANAMOOSE]

With street racing, you don't know what may happen, because it's impossible to predict the flow of traffic.

EXACTLY! That's even MORE reason not to do it. Why take the risk of killing yourself (and more importantly, others, since your a knob for racing in the first place)? So you can pop a stiffy from going fast? Watch porn, it's safer.

You missed the point, buddy.

My point was, murder is NOT a proper charge for street racing deaths, since the deaths are almost always unintentional.

 

Now, with a gun, you're much more likely to get charged with murder because it's likely you chose to use it to kill someone, and you know that it has the power to do so.

 

And porn? I don't want to turn into a serial rapist.

 

If you don't like it, that's your opinion, OK?

You know you can kill someone with car too. It is murder. It just isn't premeditated.

 

Accidentally shooting someone is virtuall the same as accidentally killing them with a car travelling in excess of 100MPH.

 

Porn doesn't make you a rapist. I used to watch it. I have never raped anyone.

 

 

[Mark]

Jesus was indeed a street racer. He whupped those Camels on his trusty JDM Ass.

 

A car is a weapon. If you're a tw*t to go out and drive like a f*cktard, and then kill someone due to your actions, you deserve to be sent down, I think personally as murder, not manslaughter. Manslaughter charges are given when people inadvertently kill people with cars when they're being normal, not retarded.

 

 

[GM Dude]

Again, let me define manslaughter and murder.

 

Manslaughter- You didn't intend to kill your victim, but you did. It definitely doesn't mean it wasn't your fault.

 

Involuntary-You never wanted harm to come to the victim, but it did.

 

Voluntary-You did want harm to come to the victim, but you did not intend to kill them.

 

Murder-You intended to kill the victim. You WANTED them dead.

 

Premeditated-You planned it out before you killed them.

 

@GTAuron: I understand that you a strong sense of justice, and I respect that.

 

@Ananamoose: The one problem with your theory is that people RARELY use vehicles to purposely kill others.

 

And porn may not make everyone a rapist, but there are some people who are really disturbed................

 

Again, for those of you who hate street racing to death, that's okay. I don't really like it, either.

I'd rather play Manhunt or something like that.

 

 

 

[EvilPenguin]

It seems as though this whole thing has been blown out of proportion.

 

Here's how it lays down:

 

Street racing is dangerous, so the law sees fit to put an end to it becausse that's what the law does. What most of the people have an issue with in this topic is the "Street racing culture" created by FnF fanboyz with no regard for common sense. We're all up for blasting the backroads - so long as we're reasonably sure that its relatively safe. Racing in the city is not an intelligent way to go about it. And not particularly fun, either. Living life a quarter mile at a time is actually pretty dull. Add a few twists to the equation and now we're talking.

 

To sum up:

Driving fast safely - good.

Idiot fanboy street racing culture - bad.

 

PS @ Dup: We're on the same side of this arguement, but enough with the idiotic American bullsh*t. Sure, we have some of the worst drivers in the world, but we're also an incredibly varied society. Though the stereotype is we're a bunch if inbred rednecks with big stupid cars, heavy right feet, and an overactive middle finger, its not true for everyone.

[ANANAMOOSE]

I am really disturbed. That comes from a misspent youth, not occasionally watching two strangers have sex.

 

from encarta

definition of muder:

2. transitive verb kill somebody brutally: to kill somebody with great violence and brutality

Get hit by a car moving in an excess of 100mph is a brutal way to die. It is murder.

 

It can be sonsidered mansluagter, but they show blatant disregard for human life, thus making it murder.

[ANANAMOOSE]

 

It seems as though this whole thing has been blown out of proportion.

 

Here's how it lays down:

 

Street racing is dangerous, so the law sees fit to put an end to it becausse that's what the law does.  What most of the people have an issue with in this topic is the "Street racing culture" created by FnF fanboyz with no regard for common sense.  We're all up for blasting the backroads - so long as we're reasonably sure that its relatively safe.  Racing in the city is not an intelligent way to go about it.  And not particularly fun, either.  Living life a quarter mile at a time is actually pretty dull.  Add a few twists to the equation and now we're talking.

 

To sum up:

Driving fast safely - good.

Idiot fanboy street racing culture - bad.

 

PS @ Dup: We're on the same side of this arguement, but enough with the idiotic American bullsh*t.  Sure, we have some of the worst drivers in the world, but we're also an incredibly varied society.  Though the stereotype is we're a bunch if inbred rednecks with big stupid cars, heavy right feet, and an overactive middle finger, its not true for everyone.

God? Has some almighty force possesed you to spread the word?

 

On a serious note... I AGREE COMPLETELY.

and sorry for the double post

[GM Dude]

@Ananamoose: Again, how do you know that ALL street racers really do show blatant disregard for human life?

 

The definitions that I listed are what the modern judicial system says.

 

@Evil Penguin: I agree on the city part.

NEVER do it in the city.

I am actually afraid to do it, believe it not.

Edited August 9, 2006 by GM Dude

[eyeswideshut]

God all you people talk about is killing innocent pedestrians, from what I know nobody has ever been killed in a street racing accident int he Camden-Philadelphia area, which is where I live. People street race in the dead of night for a couple reasons: 1. less traffic less people. 2. less cops on patrol and a low chance of getting arrested. Thats about it, if people street raced during the day it would be a different story but they usually race on low traffic streets with no people in the middle of the night.Sooooo why the hell are all of you saying how bad street racing is because someone can get hit by a car? People get hit by cars everyday that are not from street racing I dont see all of you bitching and complaining about those car accidents?