Admins; Relating to SOL

[X-Seti]

Contrasting Ideas are one thing but shutting down a post for no reason other than a personal gripe is kinda childish. This team is trying to produce a one of a kind experiance for all to enjoy yet we are the targets of ridicule, speculation and contempt. If you Admins feel that you are all so high and mighty then enjoy your little power trips but you will no longer be doing it at our expense. Those who wish to follow our progress you can feel free to either PM us for information and or Email us since I think the days of the SOL team posting are numbered and not by choice. It is sad when a community which was brought together for the love of all things GTA has to be divided so badly. I was once a proud member of this particular community now all I feel is shame and disgust. I wish the owner(s) of this site nothing but the best but as for your admins I would make wiser choices in the future since they have become little more than a little riot squad that close posts they don't particularly like.

 

Links;

 

http://www.gtaforums.com/index.php?showtop...0entry3722250

[Luke]

You get treated no differently to everyone else on this site, and if you're going to rant about things then how's about some links to examples where we can see this?

 

You're talking about admins, but from what I can see there's no admin ever touched any of your topics, do you mods, or do you mean led-bys?

 

Instances such as this one are perfectly justified, it's untidy and unfair on everyone else who uses this site if the modding forums are filled with a plethora of unnecessary GTA:SOL topics.

 

You've not properly explained just what your problem is, but if you want to leave, go ahead - those who care will notice, those who don't wont - if the purpose of this topic was just to complain about how we're all nazis without even providing examples or justification then this is yet another pointless topic.

 

To put it bluntly, there are more important things in life.

[wiredwizardz]

Correct me if I am wrong but I thought a Moderators responsiblities were as follows.

1 if someone does wrong, point it out

2 give them time to speak

3 if you dont get anywhere then lock and more on

4 help users/members with issues.

 

The SOL team had an issue with 2 users we had to handle it. No moderator ever did a thing to my knowledge. I understand that there are a lot of users that frequent this forum and some do not act properly it is bound to happen it is human nature to be a jerk for some people.

 

If you are requesting link examples all I can say is Use the search like I have been told a million times before because people are to high and mighty to provide a single line of help most times. Most members are either to self involved to help someone that you migh so casually call a noob. Not everyone has the intimate knowledge or access to some of these programs so topics are locked due to that. Once again use the search for examples since I am only following the typical protocal that has been established on these forums.

 

If a post is untidy fix it plain and simple solution why lock it wouldn't it be easier to just clean it and move on???

 

QUOTE You get treated no differently to everyone else on this site, and if you're going to rant about things then how's about some links to examples where we can see this?

 

We get treated no different? so your suggesting that people are all equal on this forum I find that hard to belive. You got your postion as a Moderator by either knowing someone or being friends with someone who suggested you to become one.

 

QUOTE unfair on everyone else who uses this site if the modding forums are filled with a plethora of unnecessary GTA:SOL topics.

 

What if those topics are needed for differnt aspect instead of being clumped into one thread? That would cause the untidyness you spoke of earlier.

 

QUOTE if the purpose of this topic was just to complain about how we're all nazis without even providing examples or justification then this is yet another pointless topic.

 

Complaints are a part of Forums no way to avoid it but the word Nazi was never used Riot squad with the instance used. I find that word highly offensive for various reasons none of which are of your concern. As for being pointless I highly doubt someone making a complaint is a pointless issue. Maybe you should re-evaluate your position as a Moderator.

 

Forums are a place where people come together to share ideas no forum is perfect they all will have their issues but if you can't even follow your own guidelines yet try to enforce them then what are you doing here ???

 

Wizard

[Luke]

If a topic exists for a discussion that would be better suited to an existing topic, then we lock the newer topic and tell the person to use the other topic. That's normal, check most internet forums, they'd all do the same.

 

It's not our job usually to intervene with actual posts unless there's something particularly offensive in there, we would rather hand out warnings which are confidential and tell the person not to do it again.

 

You say you had an issue with two members that was never dealt with? Did you report the members to us, did you PM a moderator and inquire? How do you know nothing we done - you can't see karma logs.

 

As for the quotes, I got to be a moderator here because the existing staff thought I should be one, and yes, I probably get treated slightly differently because of it. I'll correct myself, not everyone is treated equally on the forums, and nor should they be. Persistent trouble makers require different tactics and approaches, modding forums are treated differently to say Gen Chat, olders members differently to newer members because they should know the rules.

 

I don't think you need 2784672 topics, I really don't. One, two, maybe three at most. GTA:LC managed fine using one topic that was incredibly active for months, then it was given a sub-forum, but GTA:LC was more active than GTA:SOL from what I've seen, and it was needed more for them.

 

Complaints and arguments are a part of the forums, hell yes, so when you complain I suggest you back up your complaint with evidence and justification so we can take it seriously.

 

Follow our own guidelines, once again, show us where we didn't.

 

You find the word nazi offensive, despite it was being used to describe ourselves, not you - when the forums start paying me to be a moderator here though I'll happily modify all of my posts to a friendly and formal tone, until then I'll use whatever words I need to because this is a hobby site, it's not a company. You said yourself forums are a place for sharing ideas etc, as such it's important that there's a fairly relaxed atmosphere, and that includes the staff. I'm not going to start beginning each of my posts with "Dear Sir/Madam" because you have a problem with my use of informal language.

 

And when did this start being about me? I still don't know who it is you're complaining about exactly because you've not shown us.

 

Another edit, "Giving people time to speak" isn't one of our roles, no. If people break the rules, do something inappropriate, do something stupid, then we take action. We don't sit around and discuss what they've done over a cup of tea first, because it's not needed.

Edited June 3, 2006 by Luke

[X-Seti]

Re-edit, check last post.

Edited June 3, 2006 by Mc-Kay

[wiredwizardz]

You just made it personal I never directed towards you and I agree with 90% of what you have said. Your the one who took it out of context and made the comparisons not me. As for fromalities what I find offensive is not a topic of debate I just made a comment nothing more. I choose to read or not read and hence I made an observation nothing more.

 

 

As for not knowing what the complaints are about that is for you to figure out. I am making observations nothing more nothing less. As for your ( moderators so that you don't infer that I am just directing this at you pesonally) interventions or sitting around with a cup of tea hey thats your thing or not what ever floats your boat. All I am saying is do things across the board evenly. If a post deserves to be closed do so but if it is over something trivial leave it be.

 

Also the compairisons of GTA LC and SOL there is none. If we needed the threads for different reason then we needed them. If GTA LC managed with 3 threads hurray for them wonderfull maybe they didn't need as many explanations maybe we do. As for activity in those threads they are responded upon when we get around to them to quote you

 

QUOTE We don't sit around and discuss what they've done over a cup of tea first, because it's not needed.

 

Take these comments as you will. If it offended you or I struck a nerve I don't appologize since I never said anything derrgatory towards you. You took it personal. But I hope you see my point if not feel free to ask since I have no personal problems with you nor anyone one else as this was based on opinion and observations.

 

Wizard

[X-Seti]

Ok, jcelaje started up a topic relating to our mod with 2 questions, now I know new members are not always the best people for being very detailed with their querys, but don't you think they need a better reason, then their topic just being locked.

 

Now what do you think new posters learn from this; Nothing! but no respect for the Mod/or Admin, I've often replied to topics where I am not to sure what version of GTA their using or what they really plan todo, So I just say; Your'll get more help if you give us some more information.

 

It's about being tolerrant. The topic at hand wasn't abusive, and I have seen worst posts asfer as typing skills go and nothing is done.

 

Both his questions where anwsered anyhow without any problems, first one by YeTi which was cool of him to reply, and I quickly anwsered the other one, so the topic from that point was dead, why any more action.

 

Suction Testicle Man, was again on the case, locking one of our topics.

 

You say that we are not treated any different from any one else, well our posts seem to get locked more so then anyone elses, and upto this point I havent done anything to worrent this.

 

I know we have had problems with team members (No-longer) (A post in MI started a flaming war) by a member called The Mothership, what followed was a long rant about SOL and me, I replied saying you cant put us down for the actions of one person and his actions should have nothing to do with us.

 

But I seem to see otherwise.

[GT-1]

The locking of jcelaje topic wasn't any different from this, this, this, or this. I would say thats fairly even across the board? A staff member pointed the topic author towards the GTA:SOL topic, now that seems pretty fair to me. There is less chance of a member from the SOL team seeing the topic created by jcelaje, than there would be if jcelaje would have posted in the large GTA:SOL thread.

 

 

Ok, jcelaje started up a topic relating to our mod with 2 questions, now I know new members are not always the best people for being very detailed with their querys, but don't you think they need a better reason, then their topic just being locked.

 

Now what do you think new posters learn from this; Nothing!

Why anymore action? Because Suction Testicle Man was pointing the topic author and any future members who want to ask question to post them in the GTA:SOL topic, for the reasons I mentioned previously. He did exactly what you said he didn't do?

 

I'm also rather confused as to why you brought up the Myriad "problem"? I've discussed this with you previously, and it was just a matter of personal opinion, not really a flame war. Much like the topics you expect discussing SA-MP vs. MTA? It seemed like you mentioned that because you believe the moderating staff hold a grudge against you and any fellow SOL members? You would be very much mistaken if you thought that.

 

@ wiredwizardz, yes you are correct all staff members were given their position because they knew an admin, if not several, or perhaps knew the odd moderator. Just pull a few strings and ding your a moderator, if you lucky enough and get to know enough admins then you might even get knocked up to be an admin. Its just that easy; it doesn't have anything to do with certain individuals' contributions to the forums and/or network. I don't think I had ever spoke to an admin or mod before I was promoted to a led-by and then moderator and I’m sure i'm not the only one.

[wiredwizardz]

@ GT-1

QUOTE

wiredwizardz, yes you are correct all staff members were given their position because they knew an admin, if not several, or perhaps knew the odd moderator. Just pull a few strings and ding your a moderator, if you lucky enough and get to know enough admins then you might even get knocked up to be an admin. Its just that easy; it doesn't have anything to do with certain individuals' contributions to the forums and/or network. I don't think I had ever spoke to an admin or mod before I was promoted to a led-by and then moderator and I’m sure i'm not the only one.

 

GT-1 moderation has never been nor will ever be my thing to be perfectly honest. I prefer being just a plain ol member. I run my own site and have done so for years with differnt formats. That is enough for me. But you have to understand one thing in all those years those that have moderated for me ( all 2 sites) only a small fraction were friends. The qualifications were simple enough and I think that they were valid

1. Be fair across the board

2. Being a moderator is a privledge not a right don't abuse it

3. If there is something your unsure of how to handle ask a senior Moderator or the Site Admin

4. Everyone has the ability to voice an opinion allow them to do so unless it become abusive to other members.

 

That was it and those aren't rules that I just grasped out of thin air either. I have been a member of different Forums over the years as well and saw how things were handled and most times it ended badly. It's not a tough job but then again it is not easy to weed out useless posts. I still stand by my statements and I stand behind what McKay says. He is first and foremost a very close friend of mine and I will always watch his back. Even if he is wrong on something ( not saying he is or that the mods are ) but thats what friends do. You back them up though thick and thin. Friendship isn't measured by how many kudos or cookies you recieve but how you treat a person. I am not trying to start any trouble or step on any toes thats not what I am about. I try my best to be helpful and thats all I can do but try to see things from a perspective other than that of a moderator because sometimes even the most noble of people with the best intentions lose sight of what really matters.

 

Wired Wizard

[Suction Testicle Man]

I lock topics based on my judgement. The only people complaining are the topic starters (who else?), but I will have locked a topic to point out to other forum browsers that that kind of topic will be locked. Somebody just not wanting it locked would sacrifice forum tidyness, member behaviour and generally lower the intellectual advantages of a topic's subject for a fairly petty reason.

 

And to point out, I've never actually made a point of locking SOL topics - I don't have anything against them.

[X-Seti]

 

I lock topics based on my judgement. The only people complaining are the topic starters (who else?), but I will have locked a topic to point out to other forum browsers that that kind of topic will be locked. Somebody just not wanting it locked would sacrifice forum tidyness, member behaviour and generally lower the intellectual advantages of a topic's subject for a fairly petty reason.

 

And to point out, I've never actually made a point of locking SOL topics - I don't have anything against them.

 

Suction Testicle Man: I've read what you have said; I may have been on the senstive side that day (My apologies).

Edited June 7, 2006 by Mc-Kay