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[Wolf68k]

il always pirate you cant stop me anti piracy freeks

No one is giving you static about being a pirate. Go be a pirate and download everything there is to download if that's what gets you hard each day. No one cares.

What we're giving you sh*t about is that fact you expect use to help you, someone that has no idea what they are doing with computers, with a problem you're having with an OS that is far beyond your understanding let alone that you that should have to begin with.

 

DigitalLiveTV did a show recently where they demoed Vista and they had problems just demoing it. Here is a group of people that know what they are doing and they are having problems just showing the basics. So what makes you think anyone is going to care about some <insert explicitve here> that doesn't know anything what he/she is doing?

 

If you have a problem with Vista, to tell someone that could give two rat sh*ts about it. And none of these people are here.

 

[Sixdust]

 

sarcasm

@svip: Guess you didnt see that in my response.

@ the program wolf posted: I read a litle about it and it seems like it isnt needed because the beta is stated as possibly being wrong.

Edited May 26, 2006 by Sixdust

[Svip]

sarcasm

@svip: Guess you didnt see that in my response.

Quoting a string that was hidden in the original post in a format so small that the quote system of the board messes it up, and it is not seen able from afar.

 

Indeed, I do not know if you or I had the last laugh.

[Wolf68k]

Hell that program is as much of a beta as Vista is.

I never said it was the final. Like with XP, when Vista gets finalized that program would be final as well.

[3niX]

Well...

Lets bring out the truth...

 

sarcasm

I think that was it.

You are right wolf... but whats the point of this programm then.

Later the req. are allready known.

And I really dont see the point of the programm right now eighter (since it really isnt that helpfull).

 

 

You will need to take the following actions to run Windows Vista.

 

Additional hard drive storage

 

15GB free space required (Your computer currently has 341,55 MB)

You will either need to:

a) upgrade your hard drive to increase its capacity, or

b) create additional free space on your existing drive by removing unwanted files.

If you decide to upgrade your hard drive, we recommend 40GB capacity at minimum for premium editions of Windows Vista. Contact your PC retailer to see if an upgrade is available.

Wtf. 15 Gb... seriously... my XP is running fine on a 3Gb HDD. And the lack of space that is shown (341.55 Mb) is because of virtual memory hogging all the space. I use a 3Gb disk because I dont want XP to go insane with its size (its only used for its base... Program Files is excluded from the disk). And now I need an idiotic size of 15 Gb.

 

Windows Vista Ultimate appears to best meet your needs.

I think not!

 

But didnt the Vista beta take less room.

I remember a relative (who happens to be a beta tester) showing Vista beta on his older PC. He had put it on a 5Gb HDD and it had some space left over. Indeed it did have some problems with stability and the fact that it took quite a big bite from the PCs performance. And most of it was thanks to the visual part of it.

Why on eart would I need a nice look for the damn thing if I need it to work properly on my computer!?

 

 

 

[Wolf68k]

To give you an idea of what you'll need.

Yes the OS is in beta and so is this program.

And yes it's possible that many things will change about the OS however for the most part the system requirements will be pretty much the same.

 

15GB of HDD space and you, as well as others, are shocked by this and are crazy enough to compare it to XP.

Let's deal with these in reverse order....

The ONLY reason XP needs all of that space is it seems you people have forgotten, or never learned, what it was like to deal with Win98/ME and even Win2k. Back then when you installed just about ANY new piece of hardware it would ask for the OS CD so it can pull drivers off of it. The upside to those OSs was that it kept the need for HDD space low, the down being that you had to find your OS CD again. XP also come with many many many drivers for many different pieces of hardware because of the many variations of what could be installed into a computer.

 

Now the other reason Vista is taking up so much more space it because it's doing the same thing that XP is doing as far as drivers so, and there now even more peices of hardware people could have on their system (examples later). Plus it has all of this crap for Arrow Glass or whatever they are calling it. Download expisode 63 of DigitalLiveTV and you'll get a small view of what is in Vista Beta 2. So many more things are being added to the OS, and guess what, when things get added things get bigger.

Compare the size of Paint in Win95 to Win98 to WinME to XP. Paint, a simple little program to create crappy little images has gotten larger in file size over the years and releases of the Windows OS. Now you add Paint to all of the other programs Vista is offering plus the ones were they take what already exist and make it "better".

Everyone knows the image viewer that comes with XP, right? The default program for just viewing and browsing images "Windows Picture and Fax Viewer". Well watch that DLTV episode I linked because now that program is much more than just a viewer. They took the viewer and added things that would get with your digital camera's software; crop, resize, red eye tool and more. So obviously this program has gotten much bigger, not to mention it now will have many more files it'll call on and work with to do all of the crap it can do now.

 

 

The examples of more drivers. Currently when you buy a mobo with USB, no problem more than likely XP will use some generic drivers or might even happen to have the right ones. But the same cannot be set for firewire. While XP can support firewire, when it came out it had a very select few firewire drivers if any at all. Vista will more than likely have those drivers most commonly used and some generic ones just incase.

Network drivers are surprisingly the same story with XP, and hopefully for Vista's side of things too.

Chipset drivers; more common ones of those will more than likely be with Vista as well.

Do I really need to go on?

 

Also let's not forget the fact that MS knows that most people now have HDDs that are 80+GBs anyway. So taking up 15 for the OS shouldn't be that big of a deal.

You have a 30GB HDD for your OS? So what? I've got a 30GB (with about 11GB free) and I'm working on buying a 200GB, if not bigger, HDD for my OS. I've got a 200Gb now but my games needed the space more that the OS.

So pry open your tight a** wallet for $50-100USD and get a drive that's twice that size and stop your whining about how much space Vista, might, take up.

 

Oh and the first betas don't come with all of the goodies. Only a few. The idea behind the beta is to test the OS itself, not the goodies. The more of the goodies are now in the Beta2 version.

[3niX]

Well...

Oh, no! You got it wrong.

My point wasnt really the size beeing that big (15 Gb isnt too much)... obviously things have to get bigger (by content and by size).

But they seem to use some of the space rather pointlessly. I agree that the drivers are needed and that they do take up quite a lot of space. But most of the users wont even use the features offered.

You justify that nowadays our HDDs are bigger (hence more bigger and variable programms can be allowed)... but the same goes with all the new hardware. Most of the gadgets, that we buy, allready have the technology and software to do all the work needed, before the data is loaded on a HDD.

Another example is the visual themes (which i will keep cursing). They start taking memory (since some of the stuff is 3d)...

and that means more hardware resources are needed to perform well. And that brings us to virtual memory... It will start eating up users disk space without them knowing it. And that really is a bugger.

Most of that room goes to programms and details that you wont need or even notice.

 

Oh and the first betas don't come with all of the goodies. Only a few. The idea behind the beta is to test the OS itself, not the goodies.

You are right about that part but it starts to disturb me that they are adding so much small stuff there. Why dont they just increase its stability and make it a little more user friendly. I know that a lot of you would like to slap me for what I will say but... Windows isnt really that user friendly.

It seems to me that they just want to show other OS developers that they can make more gadgets and money.

Its like they are saying in response to others work:"But we made a selfsoiling toiletpaper!"

There is no use of it but its there.

We dont need any new bells and whistles we allready have.

 

And about my HDD. Its not 30Gb, its 3Gb+80Gb+120Gb. I use the 3Gb to restrain XP (so it wouldnt start taking too much space with its updates and addons, plus its easier to clean it from viruses and ad-aware if they occur). And I have it under my control at the moment.

 

In conclusion Im speculating that most of the future Vista owners will probably buy it with a new PC, so my rant really wasnt about the hardware beeing incapable or the OS beeing extremely bad... its just that they could bring the power of the newer PCs out much better if they would really try and want to...

 

Uh, its so difficult to explain your thoughts over the internet. Ill just leave the thing the way it is.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Wolf68k]

Mircosoft is now giving Vista Beta2 out freely to the public

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/getready/preview.mspx

Depending on your broadband speed expect a download time and whether you choose 32-bit (3.5GB ISO) or 64-bit (4.4GB ISO) between 4-64hours.

 

Or you can order a DVD which I believe is free to order, but don't quote me on that.

 

 

Atleast now we can stop hearing about crybabies complaining about why they can't get it any faster than 5-20k/s on bittorrent. But we'll still have to hear about those that do get it and complain problem they have with it.

 

 

I originally found out about this from another forum and was pointed to this download link http://download.windowsvista.com/preview/b...86/download.htm

However as of this writing the download there is off line due to high demand. Whether or not this ends up being the samething that I linked before remains tobe seen since I didn't bother trying to get a Windows Live ID which you have to do to get either the ISO download or order the DVD via the link I listed above.

[Natedogg.]

 

Mircosoft is now giving Vista Beta2 out freely to the public

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/getready/preview.mspx

Depending on your broadband speed expect a download time and whether you choose 32-bit (3.5GB ISO) or 64-bit (4.4GB ISO) between 4-64hours.

 

Or you can order a DVD which I believe is free to order, but don't quote me on that.

 

 

Atleast now we can stop hearing about crybabies complaining about why they can't get it any faster than 5-20k/s on bittorrent. But we'll still have to hear about those that do get it and complain problem they have with it.

 

 

I originally found out about this from another forum and was pointed to this download link http://download.windowsvista.com/preview/b...86/download.htm

However as of this writing the download there is off line due to high demand. Whether or not this ends up being the samething that I linked before remains tobe seen since I didn't bother trying to get a Windows Live ID which you have to do to get either the ISO download or order the DVD via the link I listed above.

Are you able to run the OS alongside with XP or do you have to replace it? Well I got something for you nubs, direct linkage for download, http://download.windowsvista.com/dl/previe...CFRE_EN_DVD.iso

Edited June 8, 2006 by Natedogg

[Wolf68k]

The second link I posted, this one, seems to be working now.

 

 

@Natedogg

You can dual-boot if that's what you mean.

But you CANNOT install this beta of Vista on top of XP and if you don't like it just rollback to XP. If you want to go back to XP after over install Vista you'll have to completely reinstall XP.

You will be able to install the full version of Vista, or it's next beta, ontop of this beta. However I wouldn't suggest doing that when the full comes out, or even another beta really.

 

If you had read the info on the first link, but then why would anyone do something silly like that, it tells you all of this...well not the dual-boot thing.

 

In addition, once you install Windows Vista Beta 2 (or RC1) you cannot roll back to the previous operating system installation—you will either have to acquire and install the final released edition of Windows Vista or reinstall a previous edition of Windows.

[Cran.]

Psssh, on that checklist it's got nothing I could really want. XP can do everything I want!

 

As i've said a million times, the only way Vista will be useful for me is if it's the only thing that runs DX10.