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Danshi

Kifflom? Mystery . . .

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DiscoverProject

If Epsilon isn't in the files on San andreas, it means there is basically no Epsilon, I even checked the all the cut scenes and found no Epsilon, no dialog, nothing. But hey, it was fun.

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Lioshenka
If Epsilon isn't in the files on San andreas, it means there is basically no Epsilon, I even checked the all the cut scenes and found no Epsilon, no dialog, nothing. But hey, it was fun.

Well, just because you've checked cutscenes doen't necessary mean there is no more stuff that we aren't aware of.

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lil weasel

It would appear that unless Rockstar Staff had some really weirdness in thier minds there is no epslion in the game other than the Radio broadcast. Believing in what is not makes the Religion Business so profitable.

 

Maybe you need to play the game sdrawkcaB to get the message.

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Lioshenka
It would appear that unless Rockstar Staff had some really weirdness in thier minds there is no epslion in the game other than the Radio broadcast. Believing in what is not makes the Religion Business so profitable.

 

Maybe you need to play the game sdrawkcaB to get the message.

Yeah, and what if they did smile.gif

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gtafan113

Everyone can believe what they want, but no one can stop us from searching and trying to figure it out. smile.gif

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DarrinPA

I don't believe that everything about the game has been found, Epsilon related or not. Look how long it took people to find the cheating girlfriends trick - those cut scenes were never found even though people had already claimed that the game had been fully searched.

 

Plus Epsilon doesn't need to be a cut scene or audio. Look at the fact that nobody knew about the Reverend and prostitute in Toreno's mission. I found that the first time I played through the game but didn't know people were looking for stuff like this. Somebody may have found something else and doesn't know we are looking for these type of clues.

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FireGod

 

I don't believe that everything about the game has been found, Epsilon related or not. Look how long it took people to find the cheating girlfriends trick - those cut scenes were never found even though people had already claimed that the game had been fully searched.

 

Plus Epsilon doesn't need to be a cut scene or audio. Look at the fact that nobody knew about the Reverend and prostitute in Toreno's mission. I found that the first time I played through the game but didn't know people were looking for stuff like this. Somebody may have found something else and doesn't know we are looking for these type of clues.

Ditto^^^the same happened to me,found it years ago,then just last year it was reported..

 

I seen the same thing,the experts claimed for years it was not there,but it was there,the preacher,the hooker,the van,the flares in far off places...

 

Not in the code it was said? Well..can you explain that^^^

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gtafan113

I'm watching my dad play through the game again, and he was doing the Truth mission where you pick up his friends and drive around San Fierro. A few times he watches a red van drive by and says nonsense about it. Then I realized, you never hear about this again. Anyone know about this van and what it was? Could it be Epsilon related (I doubt it but, who knows)?

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FireGod

^^^I found nothing of importance anywhere.

Edited by FireGod

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lil weasel

Make up anything you want to say about the van (Which was White when I just redid that bit). someone will believe.

 

GOOGLE : Epsilon gta:sa and see what you get..

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Lioshenka
I'm watching my dad play through the game again, and he was doing the Truth mission where you pick up his friends and drive around San Fierro. A few times he watches a red van drive by and says nonsense about it. Then I realized, you never hear about this again. Anyone know about this van and what it was? Could it be Epsilon related (I doubt it but, who knows)?

There are rumours that it is related to a taken out missions, so it could be realted to Epsilon or even aliens as we don't konw exactly which missions have been taken out.

 

It may not be related to anything at all too, although the first version seems plausable to me, especially that Truth was surrounded by FBI in one of these missions and you had to save him - I think van drivers work for governemnt and Truth went too far looking into it - but we don't know exactly anything about it yet.

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_-=Zombie=-_

the most possible thing is that there was a mission (epsilon related, probably) that was taking place in that strange dessert building. then they desided to take it out for some reason. it makes sence if you think about it.

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gtafan113

Maybe that's that "The Truth is Out There" mission that I heard was taken out of the game right before it's release.

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FireGod

In real life,the white or lite gray vans are used by Naval intelligence,and SF has a large Naval base,they could be the ones spying on Truth.

 

 

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lil weasel

No wone is spying on TT. Only TT is interested in the vans and nothing in the game supports anything that TT says.

AND most important of all this van business is:

What Does any of It Have to Do With Kifflom's Website?

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Lioshenka

You want us to open another thread dedicated to vans?

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lil weasel

Since the Van business has nothing to do with the Original Topic it would be appropriate within the rules of the forum.

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DarrinPA

 

No wone is spying on TT.  Only TT is interested in the vans and nothing in the game supports anything that TT says.

AND most important of all this van business is:

What Does any of It Have to Do With Kifflom's Website?

The Truth is right about a few things that you fins out later in the game - which proves he has some knowledge of the crazy things happening in San Andreas. Until it has been proven that there is no connection between the vans and Epsilon we must explore ALL possiblilties.

 

Feel free to discuss the vans in this forum thread. You have my permission.

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FireGod

We see TT checking up on vans,the vans could have been there for the same..dunno,you want to see if it can be a lead to a Epsilon clue..that's all. The Feds do watch cults,hippies,etc;

 

 

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Lioshenka

So far the idea for removed Truth mission was as follows:

 

He spies on these vans (true - seen in cutscene)

He asks you to help him and you end up seeing them driving up to that lab in the desert where either nothing happens or you end up in a short car chase with the army (my guess)

Missions completed (my guess)

Truth gets too far following the vans on his own. He then gets surrounded in Bayside Marina (my guess)

He calls CJ to come and rescue him (true)

CJ rescues him - Mission completed (true)))

 

That seems plausable - no proof that it is related to Epsilon, but fits the game and uses the unused locations. Obviously we need to hear from R* to figure out what the mission was about because it could be anything from boxes of bullets to mummifies aliens.

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gtafan113

Yeah, we don't know and may never know for sure what the van exactly is or if it's related to Epsilon. Something I've been wondering about though, is how much Epsilon research people have done in GTA IV. I know I've heard of some references, but I haven't heard much. If we aren't supposed to post about IV in here, then just disregard that question. smile.gif

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gtafan113

Just posting because there haven't been any posts in a few days.

 

Also, I read in a mod thread that the mission we were talking about has been added into the game by someone, and it has nothing to do with Epsilon. I'm not sure if he maybe changed it or if the whole thing was actually in the game. So maybe these random vans and the mission has nothing to do with Epsilon after all.

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FireGod

Wow^^^where can you see this mod?

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gtafan113

I found it on gtagarage or something like that. I'll post the link.

 

Here it is. It is listed under the storyline improvements section and says it is a mission about him being arrested for hanging around Area 69.

 

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Lioshenka

I think when the author of that mod created a thread on this forum he said that lots of stuff was impossible to replicate because the game archives didn't contain enough information. So in many places it was a guess work - I think the mission for Cesar in the beginning of the game was nearly all left in archives, while TT mission was nearly completely removed apart from dialog.

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gtafan113

 

I think when the author of that mod created a thread on this forum he said that lots of stuff was impossible to replicate because the game archives didn't contain enough information. So in many places it was a guess work - I think the mission for Cesar in the beginning of the game was nearly all left in archives, while TT mission was nearly completely removed apart from dialog.

Good point, you can't necessarily tell a whole mission from just the dialog.

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FireGod

In that^^^mod I was really hoping for TT to get to the " Lizard King " JM.

 

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massrcor

if you google "epsilon program" the 1st link to show up should be KIFFLOM!... well if you read the little description below the link they spell "Epsilon progrAm" exactly like that with a deliberate uppercase "A"... its probably nothing but im just wondering why they purposely spelled it like that... lately ive been trying to find codes within the game and game related sites about epsilon, due to no new leads. but im coming up short :\ but this seems mildly interesting if it hasnt already been posted.

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gtafan113

As far as I know we haven't discovered that yet. tounge.gif

 

It could be something, more research would be needed to tell if it is something or not though.

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massrcor

and i cant stop thinking about that red walton that always spawns during the "wu zi mu" mission. what captivates me is that it's always red everytime, and that elvis is driving it, could this be a clue to further make this walton stand out? and the encounter happens in Blueberry Acres, right by the home of all the blue conspiracies, Blueberry. coincidence?

 

another thing about that mission when you cross the finish line to victory you'll notice a glendale parked in one of the sheds to the left, but once the cutscene is over its gone. only interesting because the glendale is often considered by many to be linked to epsilon somehow. also wondering why there is a newsvan for no reason up there? in the woods, why???

 

and i think i may have found a possible birthmark shape on the GTASA map, its not that same eerily similar 1 that everyone knows already. its more of an outline made by the valleys and mountains of the desert near the 4am series research lab (RS_Lab) pictures. ill make and outline real quik of it and ill post the link and ill let you ppl be the judge. but im sure it has to have been found by now, but what the hey, this is a kickass thread.

 

-KIFFLOM!

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