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Lone Soldier D

When the 6 billion hapitans of this planet have a house with at least 3 rooms, kitchen and a bathroom, a car in the garage, enough food to still your hunger for a 7 days a week and a job to go to every day (if you want one) then you have stabilety, that is hove you get stabilety and the people behind you. And you gotta hope that some fanatics for some crashy sh*t don't try to put you six feet under, then you got it all worked out.

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K^2

Such a state has never existed, and never will. It is unrealistic to expect everyone to have a house, never mind the car. And even if you would give every family on the Earth a car, about a half of them wouldn't be able to afford fuel.

 

Seriously, are you trying to debate, or are you just throwing your oppinions about?

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Lone Soldier D

It has never existed 'cuse ther has never beine times like this, the thing that make this "unrealistic" is that most people denai it for it's to perfect, if you don't want a good life then you can just blow your brains out. Are we realy alive to feel only misery and pain??? aren't we made for being happy??? If it's a "dog eat dog" world, then why aren't you a cannibal??? Life can be sweet if you just let it, we don't need money, we don't need a Big Brother controlin' us. That is my view, that is why I fight!!! Adding: Why is it unrealistic for all of the human to have a house??? And don't you belive in biofuel??? man you must be so rigthwinged you scare the dayligt out of the sun.

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K^2

No, it fails because people make it fail. It has been tried. The nearest implementation of what you are talking about is currently in Cuba. You are welcomed to go live there.

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Lone Soldier D

Why whould it fail??? come with a good argument now. someday I will move there, maybe even be presidet over that fine pice of island.

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K^2

It's not just that it would fail, but that it has in the past. Any time anyone would even attempt to build a nice Socialist society, it would either never take off, or it would roll over into Comunist, turn into dictatorship, and we all know how that goes.

 

In any case, the problem is with the people. Socialist society attempts to make people equal. That's the first strike, because a lot of people just don't want to be equal to the rest, they want to be better. If someone gets very rich, others get poorer. As people start to loose money, some of them start to fight to remain at least in the middle class, which causes the rest of the population to hit poverty. That's what you typically see in a capitalist society. The capitalistic system, however, uses the human flaws, such as greed, to make the economy work. The resources are not necessaraly used efficiently, but everyone's greed drives them to work extra hard, so it's ballanced out. One of the things that a good economy needs is a strong middle class. This provides a feedback system that allows to reduce the number of people bellow poverty line. But back to the Socialism. The Socialist model suggests that there is no mechanism for people to get extremely rich. Since some of the people who want to be very rich are also cunning, this requires a very complex set of economic rules and regulation. That creates a major problem, because in case of even small changes in the economical climate, these rules take a very long time to adjust. In that time one of two things happens. Either some of the people who want to become very rich manage it, and then without the feedback systems set in capitalist model a large chunk of population hits a rock bottom of poverty, or else, the entire economy of the country fails, and everybody becomes poor. In today's world where the economic status of the country on the world's markets can change overnight, that puts any Socialist country under great risk.

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Lone Soldier D

It's not equality that makes people to try to be better, it's the feeling of being average that makes people to start the circle of greed and jealousy, if you make people to feel special they feel better, it's also a question a being a part of something, you don't try to destroy what you have made (most of the time). When you don't have the feeling of belonging to a group or to society, you try to destroy everything that you don't see is valuable. And if you have something to do to, but that goes to the question of being in something that you feel contributes to something better.

 

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K^2

Even when people work as a team, there are often these who are unhappy unless they have some sort of a leadership position. These people will try to make things revolve arround them. Also, some people can't feel "specsial" if they don't have more stuff than other people. The problem here is that even if you make 99.99% of people perfectly happy, the other .01% will ruin it.

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