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[Hayden]

Hi. Of course this is only my personal opinion, but I believe the forums need more staff to help manage the members. I have witnessed many fights and flaming going on and with little staff at hand to help steer it away or stop it. Sorry if you guys feel this is a bit overreacting, just thought it should be said.

[Big Slow]

http://www.gtaforums.com/index.php?&act=Stats&CODE=leaders

 

How many more do you think it will take? There's roughly 15,000 regular posters, there's no way you can ever be everywhere at once.

[Opius]

How about actually reporting some posts then?

[Hayden]

Was that a sarcastic comment? I don't know, maybe fill in any gaps that may need some filling. Maybe just ignore me, you do have choices. Smart*ss comments aren't needed.

 

@Opius: Fair enough.

[Ben]

It's pretty much like Big Slow said - each forum has at least one led-by, many have two (the LC forum, where I'm at, has four). Then there's the global mods and admins. Oh, and the gang scene has OB - a gang mod.* That's a lot of staff already - it is hard though when no one in a position of power is online at the time of an altercation or "incident".

 

The number of "incidents" is also likely to depend on the leadership style of the staff involved - primarily, the led-by(s) of a forum. For example, in the LC forum, we have a rules topic and a banner, so the guidelines are set out nice and clear. However, there are several forums where it is not so clear, and in places like General Chat where there are so many members posting, it is difficult to keep track of everything.

 

The only real way to deal with it is to report the posts. That way, someone can deal with it later .

 

*Wow, lots of colours !

[Vanillainy]

Theres tons of staff and not everyone is active, if all 100,00 odd were active, these forums woould be in choas. Then we would need a lot more staff.

 

It only takes one staff member to sort something out, you can just report it.

 

But i must admit, we need staff or led-bys in LCS section

[Mxyzptlk]

But i must admit, we need staff or led-bys in LCS section

Agreed, that place is really sloppy with cheatmaker and modding topics.

[Demarest]

The place ran better with less staff actually. As for the fighting, it's their general stance that as long as it serves to entertain them, it's not only allowed, but encouraged

[carljohnson55]

How about actually reporting some posts then?

i never report posts cuz whenever i report something that is truely objectionable, the mods say, you know what, deal with it yourself. if you use that report post again, you'll be warned. thats why i never use it

[Mxyzptlk]

How about actually reporting some posts then?

i never report posts cuz whenever i report something that is truely objectionable, the mods say, you know what, deal with it yourself. if you use that report post again, you'll be warned. thats why i never use it

Mods take time to PM you about a report saying "do it yourself"? That seems pretty unlikely...

And you aren't able to report the same post twice, you get an error message, not a warning in your karma log.

[carljohnson55]

How about actually reporting some posts then?

i never report posts cuz whenever i report something that is truely objectionable, the mods say, you know what, deal with it yourself. if you use that report post again, you'll be warned. thats why i never use it

Mods take time to PM you about a report saying "do it yourself"? That seems pretty unlikely...

And you aren't able to report the same post twice, you get an error message, not a warning in your karma log.

i never said report the same post. i meant "if you use the report post feature again, you'll get warned" i always get yelled at like that! although, here, i dont think staff'll do that cuz theyve told me to report my post if i need something done to it.

[Barbaneez]

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Edited December 14, 2008 by Barbaneez

[Daggdave]

How about actually reporting some posts then?

i never report posts cuz whenever i report something that is truely objectionable, the mods say, you know what, deal with it yourself. if you use that report post again, you'll be warned. thats why i never use it

Mods take time to PM you about a report saying "do it yourself"? That seems pretty unlikely...

And you aren't able to report the same post twice, you get an error message, not a warning in your karma log.

i never said report the same post. i meant "if you use the report post feature again, you'll get warned" i always get yelled at like that! although, here, i dont think staff'll do that cuz theyve told me to report my post if i need something done to it.

>: Maybe because you reported posts that didnt need reporting at all?

[Opius]

He's never reported a single post.

[Jevon]

i never said report the same post. i meant "if you use the report post feature again, you'll get warned" i always get yelled at like that! although, here, i dont think staff'll do that cuz theyve told me to report my post if i need something done to it.

I think the text in bold is the operative word here.... Sounds like carljohnson55 hails from another forum where he got shouted at. Or something.

 

[lurk]

[MAcSandNinEs]

Hi. Of course this is only my personal opinion, but I believe the forums need more staff to help manage the members. I have witnessed many fights and flaming going on and with little staff at hand to help steer it away or stop it. Sorry if you guys feel this is a bit overreacting, just thought it should be said.

I accept the challange!-JD

[MAcSandNinEs]

Damn Internet.

[NHL's mean]

I don't think we need more staff.

I say the ones who do, get their act together

and stop breaking the rules and then they won't think we need more staff.

If you think that hayden, then pull yourself together and make an effort to make yourself a better member and if they see other members being exemplary then the rest of the forums will most likely follow suit.

[Ben]

I don't think we need more staff.

I say the ones who do, get their act together

and stop breaking the rules and then they won't think we need more staff.

If you think that hayden, then pull yourself together and make an effort to make yourself a better member and if they see other members being exemplary then the rest of the forums will most likely follow suit.

Zing ! You just contradicted yourself - if people are too stupid, annoying, dumb, whatever to follow the rules, then what makes you think that they'll follow an example set by others? We already have plenty of exemplary members here, pinned rules topics in forums, heavily moderated forums, etc, and yet people still make conscious choices to break the rules.

 

There's only so much staff can do - their role is mostly reactive (that is, they have to correct a situation using suitable measures, whether it be locking topics, banning members, whatever). These sorts of measures should be deterrents for others, but it's just the same old story, over and over again unfortunately.

 

I don't think we need more staff, but perhaps a review of staff is required (see this topic in Network Team for more info and a discussion).

[NHL's mean]

Can you elaborate Ben?

I 'm not really getting the gist of what you're saying.

[Ben]

Sure - I'll try a different approach.

 

Before I was promoted led-by of the LC forum, I'd point out if people had posted in the wrong area, or started a new topic needlessly, etc. - just general things that assist with the running of the forum, and that are forum etiquette (pretty much, unspoken rules followed through courtesy). I'm not saying that I was a perfect/exemplary member, but my actions (and that of other regular LC-forum-goers) did not stop people breaking the rules. Even after I was promoted to led-by, and we had the inclusion of a rules topic and forum banner, people still broke the rules.

 

Therefore, there is little that staff can actually do to stop these activities before they occur - about the only solution would be to turn post moderation on in all forums, but that'd be way to drastic and not at all practical considering the level of traffic GTAForums receives - staff play a reactive role rather than a proactive one in most cases.

 

In your first post here, you said that hayden should become an exemplary member and that others would most likely follow suit, but I was trying to say that that is not the case at all.

 

And, to conclude, I said that perhaps a review of the current staff is needed, more so than more staff.

 

Is that a bit clearer ?

[NHL's mean]

Thanks ben.

 

I am saying that if more members become exemplary

such as yourself, other members will look up to them and try to

be like them, but you do make a good point.