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Bizarro.

The Official Rap/Hip Hop Topic

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noodles
@noodles, actually Nas had 2 albums before Jay-Z' first release, the unreleased 'Pre-Illmatic' and Illmatic. Since '91 Nas started off in the scene of hiphop. I liked Jay-Z when he rocked the set as a feature with Big Daddy Kane's 'Show & Prove' in '94 and Big L's 'Da Graveyard' in '95. Jay-Z' flow was unique back then, but like most pioneer rappers, they're changing their style and so failing to stick true to the game. So yes, he kinda ruined it.

 

I acknowledged that Illmatic was released before Resonable Doubt. What I said was that Jay was in the game before Nas. Jay debuted on Jaz O's "The Originators" in '89. Nas' on-record debut was in '91 on "Live at the Barbecue". If we're just talking about album releases then yes Nas was first, but if we're talking about time in the game, and appearing on records, Jay's first.

 

By changing his style, do you mean his flow? Most great rappers switch their flow up at least once in their careers. Jay started off with the triplet style that Jaz O pretty much created. By Reasonable Doubt he'd started to vary his flow and slowed it down. If anything that makes him more versatile, hence the respect he gets for his flow. Plus he still used the fast flow on "Nigga What, Nigga Who" later in his career.

 

Do any of you guys now who Jay Dee/J. Dilla is? He apparently died to day. He'd been having kidney troubles for a while.

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k-highway

 

Since the year 2000, rap has died because of the commercial rappers coming in and ruining the whole game. What is real sad, though, is that fact that people listening to "rap" nowadays are not appreciating where rap started. After all, everything you hear in rap music sprouted from the roots of The Sugarhill Gang. "Rappers" like Jay-Z, Ja Rule, 50 Cent, Chingy, P. Diddy, Ludacris, Nelly, Murphy Lee, G-Unit, Nelly's rap group, Bad Boy Entertainment (except for Biggie) etc. are ruining the great image of rap music.

 

Oldschool hiphop is what I listen to, such as Lord Finesse, Eric B. & Rakim, BDP, Leaders of the New School, EPMD, Wu-Tang, Kool G Rap, Nas, Das Efx, Lords of the Underground, Brand Nubian. Basically just eastcoast New York/New Jersey hiphop.

Word. Here's what I like and am always listening to:

 

EPMD

NWA

Compton's Most Wanted

Ice T

Naughty By Nature

Snoop's old sh*t

Public Enemy

Ultramagnetic MC's

Wu Tang Clan

A bit of Biggie

2pac's old sh*t

Big Daddy Kane

Spoonie Gee

MF Doom

Nas

Ice Cube

Eazy-E

dj kool herc and the herculoids

Gang Starr

Biz Markie

Cypress Hill

Digital Underground

 

This is what I hate:

 

The Game

50 cent

Eminem

Three 6 Mafia

D12

G-Unit

Dr. Dre's new sh*t after he made Aftermath...

 

So yeah, I basically like old school hip hop.

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Paco

The Game and Dre are nice, don't hate on them. smile.gif

 

btw, you threw MF DOOM in there with all them old school dudes. Old school DOOM would be his KMD days.

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CochiseWarrior

Producers:

bronze nazareth

domingo

scram jones

southpaw

Kno

Stoupe

 

^ Rumors for producers on IT's new album. sh*t is gonna be dope.

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gizmo
This is what I hate:

 

Three 6 Mafia

 

You must be sick. Three Six kept it real all the time, you gotta listen to their album, Stay Fly is an alright song, but listen to all of their albums.

 

 

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THAW_Punk

This is what I like:

NWA

Ice Cube

Method Man

Snoop Dogg (old & new)

Public Enemy

The Game

50 Cent

Eminem

G-Unit

Dr. Dre

Kanye West

Lil' Jon

Daddy Yankee (I don't think he counts as rap, but oh well.) confused.gif

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CochiseWarrior
This is what I hate:

 

Three 6 Mafia

 

You must be sick. Three Six kept it real all the time, you gotta listen to their album, Stay Fly is an alright song, but listen to all of their albums.

 

 

Rofl. Just GTFO before people that like real music pwn you. smile.gif

 

 

np: Immortal Technique - Dance with the Devil "Revolutionary Vol. 1"

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-shaDow

 

This is what I hate:

 

Three 6 Mafia

 

You must be sick. Three Six kept it real all the time, you gotta listen to their album, Stay Fly is an alright song, but listen to all of their albums.

 

 

Rofl. Just GTFO before people that like real music pwn you. smile.gif

 

 

np: Immortal Technique - Dance with the Devil "Revolutionary Vol. 1"

If you tried to pass off that faux underground rap attitude you've got going there in a real rap community, you'd get a new asshole torn.

 

Saying "oh I listen to Immortal Technique look at me" would be like a kid listening to Death Cab For Cutie and calling themselves indie, which sadly enough actually happens at my school.

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OH NO

 

Do any of you guys now who Jay Dee/J. Dilla is? He apparently died to day. He'd been having kidney troubles for a while.

I just read about it a minute ago, was sceptical at first due to the false reporting of his death last year. f*ckin shame. Guy was legendary.

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Dublo 7
I was wondering if anyone has any good instrumentals to just chill out to? I've been listening to "Razorblade Alcohol Slide" (I think that's the title of it) by DJ-Qbert a lot lately. I just wanted to know some more good relaxing/calm, etc. beats I should hear.

One word, Rjd2. He's like a hip hop dj I guess. He does pretty much all instrumental sh*t, and it's amazing. I'd say get the whole album Deadringer, his debut. A few of his best songs are Ghostwriter, Smoke and Mirrors, June (which has Copywrite spitting a few verses), the Horror, and 1976.

RJD2 is simply amazing. Great music.

 

Deadringer is his best album, but Since We Last Spoke is also very nice.

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captain biggo

 

Do any of you guys now who Jay Dee/J. Dilla is? He apparently died to day. He'd been having kidney troubles for a while.

I just read about it a minute ago, was sceptical at first due to the false reporting of his death last year. f*ckin shame. Guy was legendary.

I know it's a damn shame he was supposed to be releasing a solo album today and he had another album already done plus he was two songs from completing a third too

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jimmy.

 

I like MF Doom. I've got DangerDoom but I much rather listen to Madvilliany or Operation: Doomsday than DangerDoom. Quasimoto (Lord Quas) is pretty appealing to me as well. I like Madlib's concept for Quasimoto and his production work. I've got The Further Adventures of Lord Quas and that's about it. I'm trying to pick up The Unseen as well.[/b]

I just started getting into Quasimoto, and I recently realized how good some of his stuff is. Madlib's rhymes and the voice pitch itself are pretty funny and just really laidback and not serious. The production is incrdible, and you can tell how much Madlib spends perfecting his music. Songs I recommend: Answers, Axe Puzzles, Boom Music, Discipline 99, Green Power, Jackoff, Microphone Mathematics, Rock On, Spaces. Sorry for the bump.

 

@Topic - I'm really surprised Common hasn't been brought up. He's been around for like 15 years and is still making good music. He's one of my favorite rappers since he raps about real things but doesn't really preach. Anyone else a fan?

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CochiseWarrior

If you tried to pass off that faux underground rap attitude you've got going there in a real rap community, you'd get a new asshole torn.

Oh really? I wasnt saying anything by posting that last bit, just that the song owns. Take a look at my playlist then try saying that again, bitch.

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noodles

 

I like MF Doom. I've got DangerDoom but I much rather listen to Madvilliany or Operation: Doomsday than DangerDoom. Quasimoto (Lord Quas) is pretty appealing to me as well. I like Madlib's concept for Quasimoto and his production work. I've got The Further Adventures of Lord Quas and that's about it. I'm trying to pick up The Unseen as well.[/b]

 

 

@Topic - I'm really surprised Common hasn't been brought up. He's been around for like 15 years and is still making good music. He's one of my favorite rappers since he raps about real things but doesn't really preach. Anyone else a fan?

He's still one of the best lyricists in the game. The underground types might frown at Kanye's heavy influence in his more recent work but that can only help him, honestly.

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noodles

Edit:

Damn, sorry about the double post...ummm.... topic: 50 Cent is neither 50 years old nor does he make sense; talk amongst yourselves.

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CochiseWarrior
I like MF Doom. I've got DangerDoom but I much rather listen to Madvilliany or Operation: Doomsday than DangerDoom. Quasimoto (Lord Quas) is pretty appealing to me as well. I like Madlib's concept for Quasimoto and his production work. I've got The Further Adventures of Lord Quas and that's about it. I'm trying to pick up The Unseen as well.[/b]

 

 

@Topic - I'm really surprised Common hasn't been brought up. He's been around for like 15 years and is still making good music. He's one of my favorite rappers since he raps about real things but doesn't really preach. Anyone else a fan?

He's still one of the best lyricists in the game. The underground types might frown at Kanye's heavy influence in his more recent work but that can only help him, honestly.

I don't frown at Kanye's influence on him. tounge.gif

 

But yeah, he's ill.

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noodles
I like MF Doom. I've got DangerDoom but I much rather listen to Madvilliany or Operation: Doomsday than DangerDoom. Quasimoto (Lord Quas) is pretty appealing to me as well. I like Madlib's concept for Quasimoto and his production work. I've got The Further Adventures of Lord Quas and that's about it. I'm trying to pick up The Unseen as well.[/b]

 

 

@Topic - I'm really surprised Common hasn't been brought up. He's been around for like 15 years and is still making good music. He's one of my favorite rappers since he raps about real things but doesn't really preach. Anyone else a fan?

He's still one of the best lyricists in the game. The underground types might frown at Kanye's heavy influence in his more recent work but that can only help him, honestly.

I don't frown at Kanye's influence on him. tounge.gif

 

But yeah, he's ill.

Maybe I shouldn't have been so general. But when Common signed to G.O.O.D Music, and especcially when "Corners" first hit airwaves, I was hearing negativity towards Common allegedly "selling out". The phrase "selling out" is so overused nowadays it doesn't really mean much anyway, but it was really ridiculous to me at the time. Especcially after the criticism he got for Electric Circus.

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Bizarro.
@Topic - I'm really surprised Common hasn't been brought up. He's been around for like 15 years and is still making good music. He's one of my favorite rappers since he raps about real things but doesn't really preach. Anyone else a fan?

Oh yeah, forgot about Common. I like a few of his songs. I've heard Go a few times, that one's pretty cool, but I really like Testify, that's one of my favorite songs.

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jimmy.

 

@Topic - I'm really surprised Common hasn't been brought up. He's been around for like 15 years and is still making good music. He's one of my favorite rappers since he raps about real things but doesn't really preach. Anyone else a fan?

Oh yeah, forgot about Common. I like a few of his songs. I've heard Go a few times, that one's pretty cool, but I really like Testify, that's one of my favorite songs.

Funny, because Testify and Go are among the very few songs by Common that I just flat out do not like. Testify is way too Kanye-ish, with its high-pitched sample. I definitely prefer the songs that use jazz samples over that. The rest of Be is good, though.

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Rayo Puño
Like Chocolate to Water is a really good album, I like Common's style on that. I haven't really listened to his "Kanye influenced" work, so I don't know about that.

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OH NO

 

Like Chocolate to Water is a really good album, I like Common's style on that. I haven't really listened to his "Kanye influenced" work, so I don't know about that.

Like water for chocolate is a brilliant album. If you look at commons lyrical skills on tracks like 'coldblooded', nothing on BE compares to it. Not really Kanyes fault, but be was far too pop tinged for my liking.

 

Electric circus wasnt bad, a bit too experimental I spose.

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Paco
@Topic - I'm really surprised Common hasn't been brought up. He's been around for like 15 years and is still making good music. He's one of my favorite rappers since he raps about real things but doesn't really preach. Anyone else a fan?

Oh yeah, forgot about Common. I like a few of his songs. I've heard Go a few times, that one's pretty cool, but I really like Testify, that's one of my favorite songs.

Funny, because Testify and Go are among the very few songs by Common that I just flat out do not like. Testify is way too Kanye-ish, with its high-pitched sample. I definitely prefer the songs that use jazz samples over that. The rest of Be is good, though.

Testify was a great track, Commons style, voice, and rhymes top it off along with Kanyes annoying-ish beat. I never liked "Go", it never appealed to me at all. Only other song I have from him is "I Used to Love H.E.R." and thats a great track.

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Makaveli Tha Don

Sorry to change subject but you know the freestyle Biggie did 'real niggas do real things' over those classic death row beats, theres a few beats I can't remember where there from. Anyone remember?

 

1. 187

2. nuthin but a g thang

3. ???

4. ???

5. gin and juice

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Wooz

Juelz Santana, Ludacris, The Game, Biggie Smalls>all

 

50 cent>his small penis

 

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Rayo Puño
Juelz Santana, Ludacris, The Game, Biggie Smalls>all

 

50 cent>his small penis

Prove it.

 

And as for "original triad" prove that as well. Being the only real Triad here, I'll decide that.

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Ciabatta
Common is pretty good. I really didn't complain about Kanye's production or whatever touch he gave on Common. I just don't like the fact that everyone regards him as some kind of hip-hop production genius. He's good at producing but not a musical virtuoso on the 1s and 2s. His work was good on stuff like Jay-Z's Blueprint and Common's Be but other than that...it doesn't appeal to me. Common is a good emcee no matter what producer he works with. He could work with Sha Money and I'd still listen to him.

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ToyMachine

 

Kanye West is the most overrated rapper since Tupac.

 

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Bizarro.

I just listened to this album called Race Trading by a guy called Serengeti, and I thought it was awesome. I advise everyone to listen to it now. The album is free. You can download it here. I like the songs Afro, Tele-fon, Bees, and I kind of like Teenager.

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noodles

 

Kanye West is the most overrated rapper since Tupac.

Does anyone really rate him that high? The guy knows how to make hit songs, but I don't think anyone really overrates him based on his skills as a rapper.

 

Any of you guys like Lupe Fiasco? I'm sure everyone's heard his verse on "Touch The Sky". I started to look for some more of his stuff after I heard that, and the guy is really talented. He's got a few mixtapes under his belt that you should check out. "Kick, Push" is probably his best known song after "Touch The Sky". Uses skateboarding as a reall cool extended metaphor throughout the song. "Switch" is a really nice concept song he has; it takes a while to get where he's going with it but when you figure it out it's amazing. "Glory" is probably my favorite Lupe track though. Features a singer by the name of Opal Staples. "Steady Mobbin" is a track to check out too. He' done some nice work with Fort Minor as well.

 

You can listen to some of his tracks here:

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fusea...iendid=20957761

 

Also check out A Rhyming Ape EP, which is him and The Gorillaz. Absolutely amazing.

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Spaz

After all, everything you hear in rap music sprouted from the roots of The Sugarhill Gang.

No, everything you hear in commercial rap sprouted from Sugarhill, and especially Rapper's Delight. With that one record there was a turning point in hip-hop, where labels realised there was money to be made in hip-hop (as long as they could guarantee it was uncontroversial and twee so that the parents would buy it, I guess). So they pull together a bunch of hack emcees to rhyme over a DAT and there you have it, the roots of commercial rap. But not the real roots of hip-hop. Someone mentioned Kool Herc already, it was guys like him, along with Bambaataa and Jazzy Jay and Flash and DXT and the original djs that were the basis for hip-hop - taking the breakbeats from within songs and spinning those so that the crowd could really get down. The emcee came along later as a crowd interaction device. But the big labels didn't want to pay someone who just juggled two records, they needed voices instead. Sadly the fact that djs were the founders of hip-hop has been forgotten.

 

And Sugarhill weren't worth sh*t.

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