-slash Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 A friend of mine and I have been building a computer recently, and now that everything has been put together we've struck a problem. Everything has been put together and turns on, but when we turn on the monitor nothing comes up, just a no signal message. The specs. P4 1.6Ghz Socket 478 CPU MSI PM8M-V M/B For INTEL 478 Pin CPU AGP 8x support 256 MB RAM (temporarily) MSI Radeon 9250 AGP 4x/8x 128mb DDR 40 gig HD I don't suppose anyone can help? I'll be damned if I can figure out what the problem is. I've tried the gfx card in a friends computer and it worked fine, so I don't think that's a problem. The motherboard is brand new as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cran. Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 Let's see... Well, if no video is being displayed, my guess is the video card. Does it have built in video? Try that if it does. Maybe try another video card if you can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-slash Posted January 6, 2006 Author Share Posted January 6, 2006 Let's see... Well, if no video is being displayed, my guess is the video card. Does it have built in video? Try that if it does. Maybe try another video card if you can. I've tried the integrated gfx, haven't tried another video card yet. Like I said I've tried out the 9250 in another computer and it worked so I don't see how it could be the video card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nipa Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 What's the monitor? When I had this error, it was a loose connection to the computer/non supported mode (DVI.. still don't know how to get it supported). Hope I helped you. (unplug the monitor and replug it, make sure it's plugged in properly, and you aren't using a non supported mode) -Nipa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PsychoFlames Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 Does the PC beep once (indicating a good POST)? If not, it could be your motherboard that's bad. Do the onboard graphics work? If so, you might need to disable/change the default video device on boot inside the BIOS. If the PC does POST and the onboard graphics don't work, then it's probably the monitor itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waste Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 Check and make sure every single part that you put into the computer is seated firmly where it belongs. Sometimes one single piece of a build can not be seated properly and screw everything else up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf68k Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 You tried the GFX card in another system, but have you tried the monitor on another system or another monitor on the troubled the system? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-slash Posted January 7, 2006 Author Share Posted January 7, 2006 You tried the GFX card in another system, but have you tried the monitor on another system or another monitor on the troubled the system? Yeah, it hasn't worked on two monitors, both of which work on other systems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cran. Posted January 7, 2006 Share Posted January 7, 2006 You tried the GFX card in another system, but have you tried the monitor on another system or another monitor on the troubled the system? Yeah, it hasn't worked on two monitors, both of which work on other systems. That's the weirdest thing So the computer boots up, but no image on the screen? I guess check that everything is in place and where it should be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fido2 Posted January 7, 2006 Share Posted January 7, 2006 Try find the jumpers that control onboard graphics and turn it off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Zephyr| Posted January 7, 2006 Share Posted January 7, 2006 Try find the jumpers that control onboard graphics and turn it off. Hi guys. I'm Slash's friend, the computer is currently at my house. I have read throught the manual and tried looking online, but I cant find any jumper pins that would turn off the onboard graphics. The only jumper pins im certain of are to clear the cmos, which I have tried already. The motherboard is an MSI PM8M-V. Any other suggestions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bond996 Posted January 7, 2006 Share Posted January 7, 2006 Try find the jumpers that control onboard graphics and turn it off. Hi guys. I'm Slash's friend, the computer is currently at my house. I have read throught the manual and tried looking online, but I cant find any jumper pins that would turn off the onboard graphics. The only jumper pins im certain of are to clear the cmos, which I have tried already. The motherboard is an MSI PM8M-V. Any other suggestions? Turning off internal video is usually in the BIOS. Boot up with the monitor connected to the internal and try to look around the BIOS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIP YEK NOD Posted January 7, 2006 Share Posted January 7, 2006 Ensure that you have connected both power plugs to the motherboard, there should be 1 20pin, and 1 4pin. this is not the same 4 pins that could clip on to the 20pin to make 24 pin(as seen with some power supplies). on your motherboard, the plug is circled in blue here: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dup Posted January 7, 2006 Share Posted January 7, 2006 Reseating the ram might help. I would also reset the CMOS (BIOS) which is done by disconnecting the power lead and moving the CMOS jumper on the motherboard onto the other pin (usually 3 pins, instead of say on 2 pins on left, move to the 2 pins on right or vice versa) for at least a minuite then move it back and try again. I know you said you'd done this, but try again and leave it to discharge the bios settings. It could be the RAM is not campatible with the motherboard, the PSU is not stable or rated high enough to power the system or the motherboard itself is just goosed. I would remove everything but the essentials too, to see if its a power problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Zephyr| Posted January 7, 2006 Share Posted January 7, 2006 Ensure that you have connected both power plugs to the motherboard, there should be 1 20pin, and 1 4pin. this is not the same 4 pins that could clip on to the 20pin to make 24 pin(as seen with some power supplies). on your motherboard, the plug is circled in blue here: Yeah both plugs are properly connected, everything is sitting fine. I have had 2 other people, who know what theyre doing, look at this computer and they said that everything is fine. The problem is not the power supply, as this works in a different system. I tries resetting the cmos by switching over the pins again, and leaving the battery out for 30 mins (recommended). Still no luck though. Also, how am i ment to turn off the graphics in the bios menu when I can't get anything on the screen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack_Knife Posted January 7, 2006 Share Posted January 7, 2006 The problem is not the power supply, as this works in a different system. This doesn't mean it's powerful enough for this certain system. Unless you tried it in a more power-hungry system. In which case, ignore me. "You can play faster than Al Di Meola and do it with only one pinky, but if you're not listening to what is going on around you, you might as well just shut up" isn't your croth suppose to be erecting when you have an orgasm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Zephyr| Posted January 8, 2006 Share Posted January 8, 2006 (edited) The problem is not the power supply, as this works in a different system. This doesn't mean it's powerful enough for this certain system. Unless you tried it in a more power-hungry system. In which case, ignore me. Well, to start with, the power supply is 450W It has been tried in a p4 2.3ghz, 80 gig hard drive, 512mb ram etc etc... a bigger system than the one we are trying to get going. Edited January 8, 2006 by |Zephyr| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K^2 Posted January 8, 2006 Share Posted January 8, 2006 Also, how am i ment to turn off the graphics in the bios menu when I can't get anything on the screen? I think he meant from on-board. I read through all of the posts, and I'm not clear on whether it works with on-board gfx or not. If it does, then try looking at BIOS settings using on-board, if not, then you likely have a bad motherboard. Prior to filing a bug against any of my code, please consider this response to common concerns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Zephyr| Posted January 8, 2006 Share Posted January 8, 2006 Also, how am i ment to turn off the graphics in the bios menu when I can't get anything on the screen? I think he meant from on-board. I read through all of the posts, and I'm not clear on whether it works with on-board gfx or not. If it does, then try looking at BIOS settings using on-board, if not, then you likely have a bad motherboard. Onboard graphics doesn't work at all, just the same problem as if we were trying to run it through the graphics card. It's not a faulty motherboard either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K^2 Posted January 8, 2006 Share Posted January 8, 2006 You did try changing the video cable, right? Just making sure. Strip it down to Motherboard + RAM + HDD (or CD-ROM and boot from some CD). If that doesn't work, then there is a problem with motherboard. There are pretty much no other options. Otherwise, keep trying other components untill you find the one that causes problems. It has to be a problem with one of the components. Prior to filing a bug against any of my code, please consider this response to common concerns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Zephyr| Posted January 8, 2006 Share Posted January 8, 2006 (edited) We just had another look at the computer, and the graphics card wasn't all the way in. It was being stopped by the bit that screws onto the case. We managed to get it fully into its AGP slot, but then when we attemted to turn the computer back on, nothing worked at all. Just dead silence. We then took the graphics card out, turned then tried turning the computer on and everything was fine. Im hoping this is a step that one of you guys will know about/know whats wrong/ know how to fix it Edited January 8, 2006 by |Zephyr| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cran. Posted January 8, 2006 Share Posted January 8, 2006 That doesn't sound good.. Okay, it's got to be something related with the AGP slot on the mobo. Maybe that's screwed up and because of that, the mobo refused to let the whole computer boot? If you can, try and get a PCI video card and see if it'll boot with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K^2 Posted January 8, 2006 Share Posted January 8, 2006 He says it boots, but there is no video output signal. So does on-board refuse to work with the video card in and out? Or just when the card is inserted. If the computer doesn't even start when you insert the graphics card, you are likely to have a short on the card itself or in the AGP slot. Either one is bad. If you can try another AGP or PSI card, it can reveal some info about the problem. Did you make sure to discharge any static when putting in the video card? During winter months the air tends to be dry, and static is is espetially dangerous. Video cards are CMOS based, and these things are extremely sensitive to static. Even the smallest static spark can fry one of the chips, causing a short and turning your graphics card into an expensive decoration. Prior to filing a bug against any of my code, please consider this response to common concerns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Zephyr| Posted January 8, 2006 Share Posted January 8, 2006 I'll try another card in the troubled system, a card that I know works, and get back to you guys with some updates. Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cran. Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 Speaking to Jason (-Slash) i'm thinking it's the graphics card, and he thinks so too. He said he had the same problem with another mobo (Everything else the same). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Zephyr| Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 Speaking to Jason (-Slash) i'm thinking it's the graphics card, and he thinks so too. He said he had the same problem with another mobo (Everything else the same). The first motherboard we tried it on had a blown fuse, then I tried the graphics card in my computer and it worked fine. If the problem is the graphics card, which I believe it is not, why won't the onboard graphics work? EDIT: Also I tried the graphics card from my system in the troubled system and exactly the same thing happened with the old graphics card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cran. Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 (edited) Okay, I talked to my friend and he recons the bios could be set to pci mode for the video. Try removing the mobo battery and that would reset the BIOS. If that doesn't work, try a different port for the monitor if that 9250 has a DVI and VGA port (My 9800 pro does, so maybe). Edited January 11, 2006 by Cran. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lesfleanut Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 You said earlier you know the mobo is good. How? It could be eternally ESD f*cked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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