Vincent Benedetti (Ben Vercetti) Posted October 4, 2005 Share Posted October 4, 2005 (edited) Howdy, we all know LCS is one helluva game to play on a handheld. There's no better way to override the waiting time when traveling the Frisco Tram than playing a complete microcosm on a device, not much bigger than one of these damn I-PODs... But will the obvious flaws and limitations of the platform affect our enthusiasm about the game itself? -->According to what we know RIGHT now<-- ... LCS is a great game but: 1. Ain't it depressing that there are no roof textures? And that's the second reason why we can't use a airborn vehicle in the game?! 2. ... that there are no planes etc. just because the whole world is pretty small due to the UMD limitations? And that's the first reason why we can't spread the dodo's wings and fly?! 3. ... that Toni will drown instantly as soon as he reaches water, a river, a pond or a deep swimming pool? Just because the limitations of the platform forces us to play in a small box? 4. ... that the cars look nothing like San Andreas and the reflections look some kind of screwed? Just because... platform... y'know... The game's another masterpiece of Rockstar Games and at least a gift to all of us who like to play bad mobsters if we ain't one already. But seriously... when traveling through Liberty, without doing any missions... don't ya think you'll miss the feeling of seaching this broad land for hours just to find bigfoot? That feeling that you get when playing the game for 6 hours straight, ending up at 5 am, sipping whiskey beginning to think "man, it's been to long... but hell... it was great..." ?? What do ya think? B. V. Edited October 4, 2005 by Vincent Benedetti (Ben Vercetti) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spaceeinstein Posted October 4, 2005 Share Posted October 4, 2005 I think the reason flying isn't in this game because there aren't many buttons in the PSP...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Benedetti (Ben Vercetti) Posted October 4, 2005 Author Share Posted October 4, 2005 I think the reason flying isn't in this game because there aren't many buttons in the PSP...? mmh well i think they could fix that... it's not a reason to leave such an important feature out, or what do you say? B. V. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MajorGlory Posted October 4, 2005 Share Posted October 4, 2005 No flying because of limited draw distance and overall video quality loss when in the air. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spaceeinstein Posted October 4, 2005 Share Posted October 4, 2005 (edited) San An also has low draw distance. Edited October 4, 2005 by spaceeinstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Neon~ Posted October 4, 2005 Share Posted October 4, 2005 What you have to remember is that this is just a PSP. Its not a full blown console. So its better to see everything as a bonus, rather than taking it all for granted and bitch about the little things that dont work so great. (Not says you are bitching or anything, no offence) Aslong as it runs smooth and runs well I dont mind if they dumb it down a little, its GTA on a friggin PSP!!! 5 years ago, this would have seemed impossible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Benedetti (Ben Vercetti) Posted October 4, 2005 Author Share Posted October 4, 2005 combo-button... i totally agree with you... But i guess there must be a way to fly such a damn bastard thing without that extra buttons... I guess the other guy was right. It's all about the draw distance. And that's exactly what I call a limitation of the platform. Sadly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
da gta master Posted October 4, 2005 Share Posted October 4, 2005 Who cares about swimming, if people survived playing GTA3 and VC without having to swim, I think we can survive another game not having swimming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fletchnuts Posted October 4, 2005 Share Posted October 4, 2005 I agree that not swimming will be a hinderance to total enjoyment, but when I look at SA swimming really played a small part. There were only a few missions where I can remember swimming playing a part. The fact is that swimming was really more of a halfhearted effort in SA than it should have been. It's nice to not die when you fall in the water, but I'd rather reload a game than have to swim for 5 minutes to get back on land... As far as flying goes, who cares, LC just isn't conducive to flying. Even helicopters would have few places to set down. I'm going to enjoy LCS for what it is, I'm not going to dwell on what it isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTA3Freak-2001 Posted October 5, 2005 Share Posted October 5, 2005 The people who would find the limited features a bad thing shouldn't be given any thought. Its a GTA that you can play when sitting on the crapper, I mean ain't that enough that you can play it on the go? It won't bother me much, it will just be a process of getting back into the GTA3 mindset and forgetting about SA for a while because I am sure I am going to atleast accidently cause Toni to drown a few times forgetting he can't swim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTA3Rockstar Posted October 5, 2005 Share Posted October 5, 2005 I don't really care about the missing features... Just as long as the game wasn't rushed like Madden(horrible graphics), and the graphics similiar to Dead to Rights the Reckoning or better... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K^2 Posted October 5, 2005 Share Posted October 5, 2005 1. Ain't it depressing that there are no roof textures? And that's the second reason why we can't use a airborn vehicle in the game?! 2. ... that there are no planes etc. just because the whole world is pretty small due to the UMD limitations? And that's the first reason why we can't spread the dodo's wings and fly?! 3. ... that Toni will drown instantly as soon as he reaches water, a river, a pond or a deep swimming pool? Just because the limitations of the platform forces us to play in a small box? 4. ... that the cars look nothing like San Andreas and the reflections look some kind of screwed? Just because... platform... y'know... Except for that last one, they have nothing to do with tech limitations. Prior to filing a bug against any of my code, please consider this response to common concerns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cran. Posted October 5, 2005 Share Posted October 5, 2005 PSP has about the same power as the PS2 . It's just that flying would be weird on PSP, and who cares about swimming? All previews have said that LCS doesn't feel like anything is missing and is as good as the console GTAs. Rockstar have been working on this for 2 years, and I think a 3d gta on a handheld is quite an achivment! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMG Posted October 5, 2005 Share Posted October 5, 2005 I'm sick of all you kids that have started their GTA experiance with San Andreas and take all these features for Granted. I played GTAIII in 2001 before Vice City & San Andreas, and not being able to swim is not an issue. You don't need to do it, you can't drive off the island by accident unless you are a really, really bad player. There is no deep water in the middle of islands. Flying is not necessary. It's fast enough to zoom the Banshee from Portland to SSV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeeboy Posted October 5, 2005 Share Posted October 5, 2005 I'm sick of all you kids that have started their GTA experiance with San Andreas and take all these features for Granted. I played GTAIII in 2001 before Vice City & San Andreas, and not being able to swim is not an issue. You don't need to do it, you can't drive off the island by accident unless you are a really, really bad player. There is no deep water in the middle of islands. Flying is not necessary. It's fast enough to zoom the Banshee from Portland to SSV. Well said. Vice City and SA, despite being better games, never had the impact that GTA III had. The most fun I've had in video game. If you are going to play LCS with comparsions to SA you will be disappointed. Just appreciate it for what it is, a handheld 3D GTA and you will have great fun. (Including trying to jump on a boat from the jetty, knowing that 1 slip and you're back in the hospital ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyrrhus Posted October 5, 2005 Share Posted October 5, 2005 (edited) I'm sick of all you kids that have started their GTA experiance with San Andreas and take all these features for Granted. I played GTAIII in 2001 before Vice City & San Andreas, and not being able to swim is not an issue. You don't need to do it, you can't drive off the island by accident unless you are a really, really bad player. There is no deep water in the middle of islands. Flying is not necessary. It's fast enough to zoom the Banshee from Portland to SSV. I agree SMG. However, I had to wait until 2004 before playing GTAIII when the Grand Theft Auto: Double Pack was released for Xbox. I played GTAIII first and my dad played GTA: Vice City. After completing GTAIII, I then played GTA: Vice City while my dad couldn't go back to GTAIII because he thought that the lack of motorcycles sucked and couldn't get into the darker feel of Liberty City after Vice City's vibrant atmosphere. EDIT: The Grand Theft Auto: Double Pack was released in January '04 and not late '03 in Australia. Edited October 6, 2005 by Pyrrhus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeeboy Posted October 5, 2005 Share Posted October 5, 2005 I played GTAIII first and my dad played GTA: Vice City. After completing GTAIII, I then played GTA: Vice City while my dad couldn't go back to GTAIII because he thought that the lack of motorcycles sucked and couldn't get into the darker feel of Liberty City after Vice City's vibrant atmosphere. So are you saying that because we've all played Vice City / San Andreas that we're going to be disappointed? Or just your Dad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyrrhus Posted October 5, 2005 Share Posted October 5, 2005 No, but you might be disappointed if you didn't like GTAIII because you'd played either Vice City and/or San Andreas and gotten used to what they offered before trying GTAIII. Liberty City Stories has the improvements from Vice City (minus flying) and an improved version of the targeting system in San Andreas so you might still like it even if Vice City was the first game in The GTAIII Trilogy that you'd played. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarpetDweller Posted October 5, 2005 Share Posted October 5, 2005 None of the points mentioned in the first post will really affect me while playing through the storyline missions. But the lack of swimming, flying and possibly climbing will definitely have an impact on my use of free-roam. I'm a bit of an explorer within the GTA worlds and I like to go where I'm not necessarily supposed to. All those features really add to what I can do and where I can go. It will annoy me the first time I fall in the water and drown. But I'll get over it and it will be normal from then on. However, just because it was like that in GTA3 doesn't mean we have to repeat the same limitations in LCS. From what I've heard - Rockstar like to do things well. The reason that the character in GTA3 didn't speak, ride motorcycles, fly planes or swim was because they just wanted to concentrate on what they knew they could do well and make a good solid game. They used the following games to improve on it and try out new features. You could argue that they are taking a backward step with LCS. Or you could argue that they are doing exactly the same with LCS. New console, new engine, back to basics. Do what they know they can do well. From what I hear, all of the limitations mentioned in the first post are self-inflicted and nothing to do with the technical constraints of the PSP. All of them are possible, R* have just chosen to not have certain features. The only limitation that I agree with is "no fully working aeroplanes". These don't really offer any great gameplay experience in such a small area. They do show up the artificiality of the world when distant objects can't be seen when they quite clearly should be. SA had that problem, they don't need to repeat it here. However, I don't really see a problem with helicopters, jetpacks, swimming or climbing. There could easily be a maximum height for these vehicles and they move relatively slowly anyway. I like being able to swim. Swimming is not cheating and it makes the game more real because then heavily armed mafia mobsters aren't easily defeated because they got a bit wet. ----------------- Final point: No I don't think any of these limitations will affect my gameplay or enjoyment of LCS. I expect it to be a great game and I am eagerly awaiting its release. But I'm greedy and will always want more. We got tons of new features in San Andreas and I still had to comment that we couldn't climb ladders. There is nothing wrong with wanting more from games (or anything). We should appreciate whatever we get, but always strive for improvement. Will my general gameplay be affected? - NO. Would I have got a little more enjoyment with some of these extra features? - Possibly. GTA:Liberty City Stories is a superb achievement. I look forward to the end of this month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Benedetti (Ben Vercetti) Posted October 5, 2005 Author Share Posted October 5, 2005 @ carpet dweller yeah, that's right. I'll get the game on the first day it's out and I swear by the gun I WILL GET IT ON THE FIRST DAY! So yeah, it's obvious I don't say anything "against" the joy of playing LCS. @ SMG GTAIII back in 2001... whow, you're really going way back. due to the fact that I've played each and every part of the series, that my first computer game was Wolf3D and I'm a '83 lunatic I can't be bothered with your random rants about "kids" right now. I do respect your point and although... everyone has got another opinion - let's respect that... @ K^2 Well I guess that the first two ones are pretty much tech related too. The whole memory would be overflowing pretty soon if the PSP would try to display a full liberty city at a halfway acceptable draw distance. Then the textures would start to blurr and everything's blown to sh*t within seconds, screwing up your game. At least that's what I think. It IS a tech limitation... So long B. V. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMG Posted October 6, 2005 Share Posted October 6, 2005 @ SMGGTAIII back in 2001... whow, you're really going way back. due to the fact that I've played each and every part of the series, that my first computer game was Wolf3D and I'm a '83 lunatic I can't be bothered with your random rants about "kids" right now. I do respect your point and although... everyone has got another opinion - let's respect that... I've played the whole GTA trilogy. I played Grand Theft Auto in 1997, I played GTA2 in in 1999, I played Wolfenstein 3D before 1997 too (although probably a decade too late). I'm wasn't trying to make points on how long I've played computer games for, because any game before GTAIII is irrelevant in my point that kids that were too young to play III in 2001 (Which mind you is a good thing, Kids under 15 shouldn't of been playing it like I was at the time) see LCS as an upgrade to SA, rather than a side-step to III/VC - in which it really is. (Sidestep to III's storyline & map, and Sidestep to VC's game engine) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fletchnuts Posted October 6, 2005 Share Posted October 6, 2005 Yeah I remember hearing about GTAIII while it was being developed. They showed a bunch of screens, but I wasn't all that impressed. I never cared for GTA or it's sequel or the London version. I remember hearing that GTAIII had been released and a few days later I was wandering through best buy. I saw it on the rack (there were a ton of them, no massive preorders for GTA3) anyway, I decided to pick it up because the box impressed me. Popped it in the PS2 and my life hasn't been the same since. One of my all time favorite games. I played the GTAIII mod for VC as well. So motorcycles won't be such a big deal for me. I'm looking forward to the new story, the new radio, and the new changes to the map. I know LCS is going to be awesome. Any limitations the PSP may put up, I'm sure the R* boys can get around it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nathan360 Posted October 6, 2005 Share Posted October 6, 2005 All that is mentioned in the original posting in this thread is all bickering and babbling nonsense. For a retail product, the PSP is state of the art! Anyway, it is amazing what they are doing with the handheld. Once more games (like LCS) come out, the DS sales will be blown away by the PSP. -Nathan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Benedetti (Ben Vercetti) Posted October 6, 2005 Author Share Posted October 6, 2005 All that is mentioned in the original posting in this thread is all bickering and babbling nonsense. For a retail product, the PSP is state of the art! Anyway, it is amazing what they are doing with the handheld. Once more games (like LCS) come out, the DS sales will be blown away by the PSP. -Nathan I completely agree with you except about the "original posting" thing. It were concerns and it was a simple question to members of this forum if they had the same thought that I have... One thing I'll never understand is this complete lack of tolerance when it comes to other people's opinions. Reviewing my statement from a healthy distance and realistic, we see that there was no negative opinion in it at all. Just a simple question about something that came to my head. Don't piss yourself just because someone asked questions. Nothing worse than people that like to get off about topics in a computer forum, sorry man... Whatever B. V. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menzothabest Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 Yeah I remember hearing about GTAIII while it was being developed. They showed a bunch of screens, but I wasn't all that impressed. I never cared for GTA or it's sequel or the London version. I remember hearing that GTAIII had been released and a few days later I was wandering through best buy. I saw it on the rack (there were a ton of them, no massive preorders for GTA3) anyway, I decided to pick it up because the box impressed me. Popped it in the PS2 and my life hasn't been the same since. One of my all time favorite games. I played the GTAIII mod for VC as well. So motorcycles won't be such a big deal for me. I'm looking forward to the new story, the new radio, and the new changes to the map. I know LCS is going to be awesome. Any limitations the PSP may put up, I'm sure the R* boys can get around it. You're right man, the PSP is perfect for Liberty City, I'm glad they didn't pick Vice City or Los Santos or something for it, it's too big. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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