Firefox or Internet Explorer

[unholypie]

Firefox all the way, but I suppose the decision is up to you^^ .

[Svip]

#6 Firefox. On two different spectrums, I dislike firefox.

Web Dev: Like the article previousily posted stated, Firefox resizes pixel locked text. For a site that is a specific size, such a thing can really mess things up. IE uses pt as it's scalable size and px as a locked size, something that comes in super handy. Screw a keyboard shortcut, I have never been that lazy. I have done my worst, an inline frame in an inline frame and by default, FF will not display that second inline frame, both repiticious and not.

You know, it's funny you raised that point up.

 

Cause you are actually wrong. I've never seen Firefox scale px text, but only em, pt and % text. Well, I have never seen it. And I've seen a lot.

[San Andreas Nut]

well i have been using internet explorer all my life and have had a few problems with it but nothing too serious but firefox seems better ill give it a go!

[Exkabewbikadid]

Firefox>IE. this is known because for one, IE has so many security holes

Security is important, don't get me wrong, but I can't help but feel this whole "Firefox is eht safe and IE is lkie walkin n2 oncomin traffik" arguement is so horribly blown out of proportion. Out of all the websites I've come across and all the online shopping I've ever done, I've never been phished, infected, deceived or otherwise shot at from using IE. And the times I did come across a trojan, McAfee always stopped it dead in it's tracks.

 

As far as pop ups go, I've found that any site where IE's pop up blocker fails, Firefox's blocker fails as well.

 

The best thing I can say about FF is that it provoked Microshaft to get their asses in gear with IE7. That alone is the most commendable aspect of the open source community; keeping the big guy in check.

[BenMillard]

 

#6 Firefox.  On two different spectrums, I dislike firefox.

Web Dev: Like the article previousily posted stated, Firefox resizes pixel locked text. For a site that is a specific size, such a thing can really mess things up. IE uses pt as it's scalable size and px as a locked size, something that comes in super handy. Screw a keyboard shortcut, I have never been that lazy. I have done my worst, an inline frame in an inline frame and by default, FF will not display that second inline frame, both repiticious and not.

You know, it's funny you raised that point up.

 

Cause you are actually wrong. I've never seen Firefox scale px text, but only em, pt and % text. Well, I have never seen it. And I've seen a lot.

It resizes the text on GTAForums, Svip, which is set in px. It resizes text using any unit of measurement.

 

There's a few people talking about browsers messing up websites. Opera and Firefox tend to display pages correctly, according to the relevant standards. Internet Explorer tends to display pages incorrectly because it does not comply with the standards...even though Microsoft had a big role in creating them. For example, IE uses the incorrect "box model" when calculating how wide and tall elements should be on the page. It has dozens of quite bizzarre errors with handling simple CSS positioning, and an unreal number of deviations and ommissions from the standards.

 

In the press releases and the IE7 blog, the developers give huge lists of CSS errors in IE6 which they are trying to fix for IE7. The faulty browser is IE, not Firefox or Opera. Microsoft have realised this and IE7 will go some way to fixing the problem. However, even IE7 isn't going to support standards properly because, by their own admission, IE has so many security flaws that most of their energy has to be spent on that. Furthermore, they are only going to have full support for CSS1, which is an ancient standard. CSS2 is the one which allows modern, accessible design with powerful positioning properties...but IE7 isn't going to have proper support for it. They aren't going to fix a lot of the bugs and standards deviations, either.

 

The problem is that certain decision-makers at Microsoft have attempted to dominate the Web in their customary anti-competitive manner. Netscape is somewhat guilty of this as well, during the "Browser Wars" of the 1990's where each tried to gain control over HTML so that everyone had to use thier browser and not the others. While Netscape realised how harmful this was to the accessibility of the Web, Microsoft continued to create browsers which intentionally ignored the standards which are there to ensure all Web pages work for everyone. Since IE was included in the most popular operating system, very few people used different browsers.

 

This led to a collapse of Web design. Instead of making web pages which could be used by everyone, in the true spirit of the Web, companies began tailoring their websites specifically to Internet Explorer. They assumed that everyone in the world was using IE5+ with their browser set to 800 pixels wide. They ignored the blind, who use screen readers to use Web pages. They ignored people with colour blindness, they ignored anyone who didn't fit into this narrow view of a Web user. It was a disaster and prevented millions of people from having access to the benefits of the Web.

 

People using browsers which operate correctly, such as Firefox and Opera, find that narrow-minded Web designers have not built their site correctly. They have built it to work in IE's broken, bug-filled and fundamentally faulted environment which means the site doesn't work in proper browsers. Web designers should move towards standards-compliant design so that everyone can access their pages, rather than only those with full colour vision on modern computers using Internet Explorer with Javascript and images enabled. After all, the more people who can access their site the more customers they would have.

 

Therefore, the problem of websites breaking in Firefox and Opera is due to lazy Web designers and, to an extent, the malicious business practises of Microsoft. Firefox and Opera do have some bugs, such as small rounding errors in font sizes and suchlike, but nothing on the scale of Internet Explorer. The bugs in Firefox and Opera are so few and far between that it's extremely rare you'll every see the effect of one.

Edited September 25, 2005 by Cerbera