New Rule Idea

[saintdave]

Ok so the recruitment is obviously used to try and get in a gang. The member will make a FAT, post stats, info etc and wait for a gang to make/post an offer. But recently we have had an overload of people using the FAT's as an opportunity to have a free post with the usual "he/she is a great/bad member, I highly/I don’t recommend him/her" It's good to see members looking out for friends, but if a gang has an interest they will check their previous post's to decide whether they want them.

 

So I propose we make a rule of only 1 recommendation per FAT. Just an idea to decrease the amount of “spam” in that area.

 

[Vin.]

To add onto this idea, I suggest that you make it a rule that you can only make a FAT once a month or something, or once every 2 weeks, etc. I mean, I've seen members make 3 or 4 FAT's in one month, I admit I was like this when I returned to the forums, but if a rule like this was in place, I'm sure they would abide by it, if there was a led-by or something appointed to take care of the rules, etc.

 

Maybe a new led-by/gang mod/gang admin appointed for the PGC/Recruitment forums, as Vido has now become inactive and removed from the position, and as RD left his gang mod spot, Erf got banned, and OB has also left his gang mod spot a while back.

 

 

[Barguast]

Who get to decide who posts that recommendation though? Does some n00b posting 'i fink his a god membr' count as a recommendation? I think this rule would be too difficult to enforce to be honest - if recommendations are a problem then we might as well just outlaw them altogether.

 

There is already a rule that all FAT replies must be relevant to recruiting, but I suppose it is debatable whether or not a recommendation post has any value in that respect...

[vALKYR]

I think a recommendation will not harm the FAT anyway. It can make relatively new gang leaders to make their choice a bit easier etc. As long as the post is constructive and off-topic I'd say:

 

 

 

[saintdave]

 

I think a recommendation will not harm the FAT anyway. It can make relatively new gang leaders to make their choice a bit easier etc. As long as the post is constructive and off-topic I'd say:

 

 

 

Oh yeah as I say some recommendations are fine, but there are allot around from the same member with a post that is practically the same. I do think the 1st person to post a recommendation should be the only one to.

 

Here is 2 examples of why the rule would be good -

 

FAT 1

 

FAT 2

Edited September 19, 2005 by saintdave

[Swarz]

I raised the issue a little while back, and it did seem to stem the tide of recommendations for a bit, but since it's dropped back a few pages the tendency appears to have re-emerged...

 

I think recommendations can be useful. When someone leaves a gang, I think it helps the free-agent alot to have their previous leader / senior member post a recommendation - it shows that they didn't leave on bad terms etc.

 

But for noobs, you often get other noobs recommending them, and that doesn't help their one bit (in fact it probably makes it worse). Like I said in my topic, it's near impossible to enforce... probably the only thing to do is for posts like that to be classed as spam and reported if/when they occur.

 

Rawr.

[SWEETSAPRIK]

Personally I think the problem is the little convos that take place.

 

If you're making an offer you can post.

If you're bringing up something good or bad about a member you should be allowed to post.

If you're asking a question about something specific you should be allowed post.

 

The problem is when people get into aruments that have nothing to do with the person who started the fat. If you want a single post rule, then it should be per person. Each member should only be able to post once per FAT. Anything after that should be kept to PM's.

 

And any comments that have nothing to do with the person who made the FAT should result in a warning.

 

I really don't see the problem in either of those FATs. People that are unkown made recommendations. Wow, don't read them. Everyone was so quick in that one topic to tell people that they weren't important enough to have an opinion on the kid. People should get over it. If you don't want to take someone's comments into consideration then don't.

[Knife]

I think that topicss should have to be accepted so only the decent topics are actually posted.

[GT-1]

I think a recommendation will not harm the FAT anyway. It can make relatively new gang leaders to make their choice a bit easier etc. As long as the post is constructive and off-topic I'd say:

 

 

 

That would be true if those making the suggestions regarding the particular member were well known and not simply there to boost their own post count. If Recruitment was kept solely to recruitment purposes and let one member ask questions related to whether he was going to take the person on board. Instead it is littered with comments from relatively new members saying "Danny 61234" is a good mate of mine, he makes good posts". As a gang leader/recruiter you could give your opinion on a member simply through looking at his posts.

 

As a gang leader are you not supposed to give your judgements on a member, to see if you think he would be a good asset to have. Instead I see mostly new members posting to boost their post count possibly (?) who are in gangs that are not interested in recruiting that particular member. I agree with Barguast on the other points raised.

[Yuck Fou]

No.

 

The only people that get annoying when making recommendations are new people who've been in one or two sh*tty gangs. So just ban them when they do it and let everyone else.

[Chalkstar]

There is already a rule in place to prevent such posts. I don't mind having posts which could be interesting to potential recruiters, like why they left gangs, or if they were disloyal etc, but saying that "This guy is a great guy" and the likes is just another way to increase the post counter.

[Waddy]

 

There is already a rule in place to prevent such posts. I don't mind having posts which could be interesting to potential recruiters, like why they left gangs, or if they were disloyal etc, but saying that "This guy is a great guy" and the likes is just another way to increase the post counter.

Id agree with this, Gang rule #9

 

9) One recruitment offer per gang

We’re bringing back this old rule due to the amount of spam occurring in most Free Agent topics. In each Free Agent topic, there will only be one offer from each gang. This means only one member from each gang will be able to post their offer in the Free Agent topic offering a position in their gang. If more than one member from one gang attempts to recruit a member into their gang, this member shall be warned. If this rule is abused several times, it shall result in a temp ban. Further abuse shall result in a permanent ban. And to finish this off, all posts in Free Agents topics must be relevant to recruitment.

 

This rule just has to be followed IMO, There is no reason at all for anyone to say anything in a FA topic unless offering a position in the gang, the only people making posts in FA topics should be gang recruiters, end of story. Its 100% post count - spam.

If I had it my way, after a FA topic is made, id lock it and intrested partys can PM the member, this would stop ALL FA spam all together.

 

The worst case of this are people who are not in a gang at all, and have no business being in there unless opening a FA topic, posting in FA topics, I mean wtf?

Ive seen FA topics with the same poster/spammer posting 3 or even 4 times in the same topic, its really annoying as a recruiter aswell, You go in there to have a look, see someone saying "ZOMG JOO GANG HOPPER" and then the sh*t starts. Turning the FA into total bollocks anyway.

 

Rant over.

 

[SWEETSAPRIK]

Technically recommendations, statements about a member's past, and questions about a member are all still "relevant to recruitment" and the rule only states that one "offer" per gang is acceptable, not one post. Maybe it should be changed to say one post per gang. I don't like seeing a FAT turn into a convo/argument either, but this could have negative consequences. Unlike what some people seem to think, I seriously doubt that post counts have much to do with it. Posts in the Recruitment section shouldn't add to your post count in the first place, but I doubt that making that the case would stop any of the crap that gets posted.

 

Some people want to recommend a friend not realizing that their opinion doesn't matter to the "cool people" because they're still too new. Some people bring up things from a members past just to be pricks, and some honestly want to inform recruiters of something they may not be aware of.

 

I've seen instances of people who've been here for years longer than me that still don't know some things about certain members. It's not that they don't pay attention, but some things only get mentioned once or twice. Even searching a member's entire post history might not bring it up, unless they quoted it, and even then it could have been lost during the streamlining.

 

This could lead to people that are decent enough members to get into one of the gangs, not being picked up because members of a better gang (one that is unwilling to pick them up for any reason) can't recommend said member. There are times when a member is borderline, but not all of the members of a gang can agree on that member. But what I really worry about is somebody picking up a member that has sucked on multiple previous accounts. Some might even have proved themselves to be untrustworthy, or even just a retard on their current account, but the recruiters might have missed it.

[NHL's mean]

I think that recruitment shouldn't even affect your post count.

there's no point to it.

[Tornado Rex]

I think that recruitment shouldn't even affect your post count.

there's no point to it.

What in the blue hell is the point of that? Post counts don't f*cking matter. At all. It's a f*cking number, Jesus.

[Justin]

I think that recruitment shouldn't even affect your post count.

there's no point to it.

What in the blue hell is the point of that? Post counts don't f*cking matter. At all. It's a f*cking number, Jesus.

Well, everyone that matters knows that.

 

But it'd be pretty ignorant to assume every single member of these forums doesn't give a toss about their post count.

 

I don't think anything's going to be able to change the fact that some idiots will prance around and post recommendations in every free agent topic they can find, regardless of their relationship with the free agent in question - assuming they even know the guy in the first place.

 

I think the best thing that can be done is to simply report such posts. That said though, it will be hard to determine whether the posted recommendation is relevant or meaningful - it's pretty hard to know whether the free agent itself will appreciate the recommendation, and further, whether the recommendation will at all aid potential recruiters.

 

I say we just report the idiots who seem to do this on a regular basis, and ban repeat offenders. As Yuck Fou mentioned earlier.