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Suction Testicle Man

Official Mod Showroom Rules & Procedure

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Official Mod Showroom Rules & Procedure

GTANET

 

 

[1.0] Download links must NOT:

  • [1.1] Require registration.
  • [1.2] Limit the amount of available downloads.
  • [1.3] Expire after a pre-defined amount of time.
Please avoid upload sites such as RapidShare and MegaUpload due to their expiration times and download limits. Consider GTAGarage.com for reliable hosting. Any topics that do not comply will have their links removed and may eventually be locked.

 

 

[2.0] Releasing Mods by Other Authors

Some members have released vehicles made by friends or people they know. However, this is not a wise idea as it can result in all kinds of problems. If a member would like his car to be released then let him sign up and post himself. An inability to write good english isn't really an excuse. It avoids any controversy regarding mod theft, even if you clearly state that the mod is legitimate in your topic. If you must do this, we ask for these releases to be posted in the Picture Post & Commentary topic to avoid any unnecessary situations.

 

[2.1] Exceptions:

Modding tools. We are always happy to host information regarding new tools/programs by other people; in aid of GTA modding or to advance it. If you do create a thread about such a tool then please state clearly who the author of the tool is and possibly provide any information to contact them. Major breakthroughs in GTA Modding are also an exception, though we request you use the Search feature first, as your idea may not be as much of a breakthrough as you think. However we still maintain that if possible, original authors post the topic themselves.

 

 

[3.0] Mod Theft

Mod theft is taken very seriously and many people have been permanently banned from GTAForums for such actions. These forums are home to some of the best and most experienced GTA modders around, many will have seen almost every GTA mod currently released, even for games as far back as GTA1. You will NOT get away with it, and you WILL be banned for it. This is a serious issue and will not be tolerated under any circumstances. Mods are released for free by their authors, the authors decide who uses their material. If you disregard an author's wishes for whatever reason, your opinion on relevance or importance will not be consulted. This is NOT for you to decide - only the original authors.

 

This rule includes:

  • [3.1] Using parts created by other authors without permission.
  • [3.2] Converting cars without permission. (see below)
[4.0] Conversions

Conversions should be seen as a last resort. If for some reason the original author is unable to convert the model, or is unwilling due to lack of time/personal life, then the model may be converted under and ONLY under the following condition;

 

The original author of the model MUST, THEMSELVES, publicly state by posting in the GTAF topic where the vehicle is being converted, that he/she allows it. This is not open for debate / discussion, this is final. Anyone caught posing as an original author will be permanently banned, no exceptions.

 

If the original author is unavailable, or can't be contacted, the conversion may not be released.

  • [4.1] Tuning/Ricing/Pimping - Improving/editing another author's work and re-releasing it requires the same level of verification as a conversion, and requires a post from the original author.
  • [4.2] Original GTA content - Converting these between games is allowed, in moderation. It's a common practice, everyone who has gta installed has access to these vehicles, and getting Rockstar's permission simply won't happen. No point in trying to stop access to something you already have. However, converting excessive amounts of content will detract from interest in scratch-made content. It can also cause issues with Rockstar: if GTAIV's content could be installed into the much cheaper and older San Andreas - GTAIV sales could suffer - and future GTAs will be more likely to contain anti-modding protection. Modding currently encourages people to buy the PC version in order to install mods, which makes us a friend of Rockstar. Let's try to keep it that way.
  • [4.3] Content from websites - As long as it's under a suitable licence granting it's free use, then it's allowed. Make sure to follow allow requirements of that licence. If no license is provided with the content, include a link to where it was originally obtained.
  • [4.4] Models that require permission from a corporate entity, like EA Games, are NOT allowed for conversions (with the R* exception listed above).
Failure to meet the above criteria will result in, at minimum, a locked topic and verbal warning.

 

[5.0] Topic Titles

All main topic titles should be named accordingly. You may add whatever you want to the title description (second line).

 

All topic titles must have a preceeding tag, in one of the following formats:

[WIP|SCR] Mod name - A work in progress (WIP) made ENTIRELY by yourself (SCR)

[WIP|CON] Mod name - A work in progress (WIP) that is a conversion by a different author from a different game (CON)

[WIP|MOD] Mod name - A work in progress (WIP) that is a modification of a stock GTA car or another author's already released mod (MOD)

[REL|Final] Mod name - A finished mod release (REL) of which this is the final version (Final)

[REL|1.2Beta] Mod name - A finished mod release (REL) of which this is an early release (Beta) the number stands for the beta's version (1.2)

 

Naming topic titles accordingly should be handled as so:

 

[REL|Final] R33 Skyline -GOOD

[REL|Final] Really cool lookin car, look inside to find out -BAD

 

For other on-topic posts such as competitions:

[Other] Topic title

 

[6.0] Topic Icons

When you first create your topic, most skins allow you to select a topic icon from below the message area. The options are:-

  • user posted image - Grand Theft Auto 3.
  • user posted image - Grand Theft Auto Vice City.
  • user posted image - Grand Theft Auto San Andreas
These are recommended but you don't have to use them.

 

[7.0] Posting

The Mod Showroom exists as a handy place to provide downloads to your mods, but also to collect tips and constructive critique of your work. Thus, you may NOT:

  • [7.1] Do not engage in motor dicussion. That can be done here.
  • [7.2] Do not request a car from an author unless they have explicitly asked you to do so. Vehicle requests go here and all other mod requests go here.
  • [7.3] Do not request help with modding or editing in somebody else's topic - make your own topic in Editing Discussion.
  • [7.4] Do not post insulting or non-constructive posts in any topics. However, constructive comments are welcome, so authors must be prepared to face criticism. This is a public forum, people will post what they think. If you aren't comfortable with what others think you should do to improve, do not post.
  • [7.5] GTANet does not support 'elitism'. This includes inhibiting a less-experienced modder's progress through bullying, insults or abuse. It will NOT be tolerated.
If you are a repetitive offender (several times), or have been around long enough that you should be familiar with these rules, it is likely you will be warned for breaking them. The forum rules apply to all areas as always.

 

If you have any questions, comments, or concerns; post here.

 

 

These rules are in place for the general health of the GTA modding community. They exist for the sole purpose of helping the community prosper and expand.
Edited by Suction Testicle Man

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JJHW

Yeah, I like the rules on constructive comments, I'm sick of just, 'THAT LOOK GOOD, WHEN IS IT RELEASED!!!???!?!?!?!?'

+FF7F24+

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BenMillard

Wow, kudos to the staff for such a thorough response to my suggestions. I've got some more, now! tounge.gif

 

There's few typos, grammar oddities and suchlike here and there. Tidying these up removes the excuse of the rules being too confusing for people to understand them.

 

There are still some slightly confusing sentences and some of the writing style isn't ideal, imho. Since mod theives don't tend to be from nations where English is the first language, clear writing is important. Again, a quick list of the ones which stand out to me roughly in the order the occur:-

  1. This seems too wordy:

    "Download links to released mods MUST either link to a page of another website that provides a FREE link, or be a direct link to a file. Links to websites requiring registration in order to download will result in the topic eventually being locked and all links removed."

     

    Could be rewritten as:

    "Download links must not require registration and must be free to use."

  2. A lot of people in the UK don't understand pluralised ownership apostrophes, so I doubt an international audience will cope well. This:

    "Releasing Others' Mods"

     

    Could be rewritten as:

    "Releasing Mods By Other Authors"

  3. The word "acquaintances" is fairly exotic, so I'd suggest not using it. A vehicle is not a person, so it should not be referred to as "who" normally. This:

    "There have been quite a few people recently who have released vehicles who belong to their friends or acquaintances."

     

    Could be rewritten as:

    "Some members have released vehicles made by friends or people they know."

  4. The new line to seperate the "Exceptions" paragraph from the preceeding paragraph should really be two lines, so there is a blank line between the two paragraphs.
  5. Both of these paragraphs seem a bit wordy.
  6. At the bottom of the "Mod Theft" paragraph, this:

    "...the original authors. This rule includes:"

     

    Could be split to a new line so the list is neatly seperated from the paragraph:

    "..the original authors.

     

    This rule includes:-"

  7. The list isn't using the actual list tag, which is pretty easy to use.

     

    
    
    • Using parts created by other authors without permission.
    • Converting cars without permission. (see below)

    Keeping the list's start and end tags on the same line as the first and final item, respectively, means you won't get extra blank lines inserted into the code. The PHP sometimes extracts lists incorrectly, so you may need to nudge the list code back into place on later edits.

  8. In the "Conversions" paragraph, the term "UNABLE" is capitalised to give it significance but it is accompanied by "or unwilling" which removes that significance. Again, just a stylistic thing but it could lead to confusion about whether these two situations will be treated equally.
  9. Some of the sentences in the "Conversions" section are extremely complicated. Even I don't use that many commas per sentence!
  10. This list in this section isn't using the spiffy list tags, either.

     

    
    
    • Tuning/Ricing - Such vehicles require the same level of verification as a conversion. It can only be done if the original model author posts in the topic where the tuning is being done, that it is approved.
    • Original GTA cars - Converting these between games is allowed. It's a common practice, everyone who has gta installed has access to these vehicles, and getting R*'s permission simply won't happen. No point in trying to stop access to something you already have. However, this rule could possibly be changed should it inhibit the showroom's ability to produce as many scratch works as possible.
    • Models from websites - As long as it's under a GPL-type license, then it's allowed. Being under that licence, you must also redistribute the licence with the vehicle (if applicable), in addition to the other car files. If no license is provided with the model, include a link to where it was originally obtained.
    • Models that require permission from a corporate entity, like EA Games, aren't allowed for conversions period (with the R* exception listed above).

    That should be right. Again, watch out for extra lines creeping in while making edits. Might be an idea to save the code to your PC when making lots of edits at once.

  11. Removing the layout tables will mean more text can be displayed on each line, there won't be an unusual background colour in place and it will be easier to make edits to the code. Plus a load of other reasons I can't remember right now.
  12. All the references to "him" make the rules rather sexist (but probably accurate). I would suggest re-writing these sentences to use "him/her" or just cheat and use "them/their" because plurals are gender neutral. Just a stylistic thing but if female modders from other games come here, they'll see how biassed it is and we'll miss out on their talent.
  13. The text at the bottom is centered, even though it isn't a title. If the title at the top of the post does not have an end tag for the center formatting, adding one should solve this problem.
Hopefully this public discussion about tidying the rules up will draw greater attention to them and will result in them being more widely read and more widely understood. I think that these rules could be rewritten to be radically shorted and yet easier to understand. Edited by Cerbera

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Suction Testicle Man

 

•This seems too wordy:

"Download links to released mods MUST either link to a page of another website that provides a FREE link, or be a direct link to a file. Links to websites requiring registration in order to download will result in the topic eventually being locked and all links removed."

 

Could be rewritten as:

"Download links must not require registration and must be free to use."

Yeah, it could be simpler; rule rewritten.

 

 

•A lot of people in the UK don't understand pluralised ownership apostrophes, so I doubt an international audience will cope well.  This:

"Releasing Others' Mods"

 

Could be rewritten as:

"Releasing Mods By Other Authors"

Done.

 

 

•The word "acquaintances" is fairly exotic, so I'd suggest not using it.  A vehicle is not a person, so it should not be referred to as "who" normally.  This:

"There have been quite a few people recently who have released vehicles who belong to their friends or acquaintances."

 

Could be rewritten as:

"Some members have released vehicles made by friends or people they know."

Done.

 

 

•The new line to seperate the "Exceptions" paragraph from the preceeding paragraph should really be two lines, so there is a blank line between the two paragraphs.

I've edited it to what I think looks better - that what you meant?

 

 

•Both of these paragraphs seem a bit wordy.

Partially rewritten, though they could do with complete rephrasing soon.

 

 

•At the bottom of the "Mod Theft" paragraph, this:

"...the original authors. This rule includes:"

 

Could be split to a new line so the list is neatly seperated from the paragraph:

"..the original authors.

 

This rule includes:-"

Done.

 

 

•The list isn't using the actual list tag, which is pretty easy to use.

 


  • Using parts created by other authors without permission.
  • Converting cars without permission. (see below)

Keeping the list's start and end tags on the same line as the first and final item, respectively, means you won't get extra blank lines inserted into the code.  The PHP sometimes extracts lists incorrectly, so you may need to nudge the list code back into place on later edits.

Done.

 

 

•In the "Conversions" paragraph, the term "UNABLE" is capitalised to give it significance but it is accompanied by "or unwilling" which removes that significance.  Again, just a stylistic thing but it could lead to confusion about whether these two situations will be treated equally.

Decapitalised - capitals don't really add much emphasis anyway.

 

 

•Some of the sentences in the "Conversions" section are extremely complicated.  Even I don't use that many commas per sentence!

Blame dexx. tounge.gif Redone slightly, but this also needs a rephrasing soon.

 

 

•This list in this section isn't using the spiffy list tags, either.

 


  • Tuning/Ricing - Such vehicles require the same level of verification as a conversion. It can only be done if the original model author posts in the topic where the tuning is being done, that it is approved.
  • Original GTA cars - Converting these between games is allowed. It's a common practice, everyone who has gta installed has access to these vehicles, and getting R*'s permission simply won't happen. No point in trying to stop access to something you already have. However, this rule could possibly be changed should it inhibit the showroom's ability to produce as many scratch works as possible.
  • Models from websites - As long as it's under a GPL-type license, then it's allowed. Being under that licence, you must also redistribute the licence with the vehicle (if applicable), in addition to the other car files. If no license is provided with the model, include a link to where it was originally obtained.
  • Models that require permission from a corporate entity, like EA Games, aren't allowed for conversions period (with the R* exception listed above).

That should be right.  Again, watch out for extra lines creeping in while making edits.  Might be an idea to save the code to your PC when making lots of edits at once.

Done. Also made a few edits to test, and there wasn't a problem it seemed. Will watch in the future though.

 

 

•Removing the layout tables will mean more text can be displayed on each line, there won't be an unusual background colour in place and it will be easier to make edits to the code.  Plus a load of other reasons I can't remember right now.

I did try it without them before, and it didn't look as ordered and easy to understand. I've changed it now, but I think it's easier to understand the layout when within tables, but they sacrifice readability.

 

 

•All the references to "him" make the rules rather sexist (but probably accurate).  I would suggest re-writing these sentences to use "him/her" or just cheat and use "them/their" because plurals are gender neutral.  Just a stylistic thing but if female modders from other games come here, they'll see how biassed it is and we'll miss out on their talent.

Good point, edited.

 

 

•The text at the bottom is centered, even though it isn't a title.  If the title at the top of the post does not have an end tag for the center formatting, adding one should solve this problem.

I have redone this anyway - though it was in fact deliberately centered originally. This was to separate it from the rest of the page, but I have coloured and enlarged the most important part anyway.

 

As you say, I will rewrite certain parts in the future, the rules are currently too long for your average newbie to want to read them through.

 

Cheers!

 

 

 

 

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Knife

I wish there was a way to make reading rules fun tounge.gif

 

EDIT: Ooh, a poem!

Edited by Knife

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SeaNorris.
A nice set of rules. Very easy to understand

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Suction Testicle Man
New alternative for Imageshack.

It's from Google.... so it's going to be famous:

Introducing Picasa2.

Picasa

Well it's still in development, I guess, but nonetheless worhty installing on your PC

What has this got to do with the topic at hand? notify.gif

 

 

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BenMillard

Oh, you've made loads of improvements while I wasn't looking! tounge.gif

 

If you would like some ideas on radical downsizing and rewriting without losing too much detail, I could put together a new draft and post it here for the staff, modders and downloaders to review? Entirely up to the staff whether any portions of it would get used, but it could be a neat way to get the community involved in the issues and raise awareness about the new, more public policy?

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Suction Testicle Man

Go right ahead, we need to show these rules are a joint decision between mods and the public anyway. smile.gif

 

 

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BenMillard

((Stuff in double brackets are comments by me.))

 

((THESE ARE NOT THE ACTUAL RULES! These are just a draft I made to show how members can be active in attempting to improve the staff policy. If you would like to revise this draft or the original rules, go ahead! That's what this topic is for; public involvement.))

 

 

Official Mod Showroom Rules

These rules are additional to the GTAForums Global Policy topic.

 

Any topics or posts which do not comply may have their links removed, may be locked or be completely removed by the staff. Members who break the rules may be given an official warning, be temporarily banned or permanently banned. However, the staff must not be strict because these rules are very new.

 

These rules are intended to benefit the modding community by protecting original authors and keeping the forum areas fairly organised. As part of that healthy community, these rules are open for public debate. Please discuss them them in this topic.

 

 

How To Use These Rules

Please do not quote the rules because they may change, making your quoted text invalid. When talking about these rules please link to the post and state the number and letter of the specific rule you are talking about. This prevents confusion with other sets of rules.

 

 

Official List of Rules (2005-09-24)

  1. Legal requirements under copyright law affect these forums. You may be permantley banned if you break any rules in section 1:-
    1. Only the original author of a mod may release it.
    2. You must not release mods you did not create.
    3. You may only release conversions, modifications or parts you didn't make if the original author posts in your topic, giving their full permission.
    4. R* have given their permission for the use of their models in non-commercial GTA modding, according to the GTASA manual.
  2. Download links must not require registration and must be free to use.
  3. Tutorials, editing research and tutorials must be inside the topic you create. You must not create topics which simply link to a Web page.
  4. If you create a topic about your work, you must accept that some people might not like it and might criticise it. Authors and critics must try to do this in mature, constructive manner.
  5. The Mod Showroom category is only for topics created by authors of completed or nearly completed mods.
  6. The Editing Discussion category is for projects that are not near completion. Also, anyone may create a topic talking about any aspect of modding. If you need a lot of help with your project, you could make a topic in the Recruits and Requests area instead.
  7. To tell people about a mod you have found outside of our GTA Network, you can make a post in the relevant topic:-
    1. Vehicles Picture Post and Commentary.
    2. Maps Picture Post and Commentary.
  8. If you would like to request a car, mission, character or map mod you can do this in the pinned topics of the Recruits and Requests area.
  9. If you have written a tutorial, you can create a topic for it in the Tutorial Forum.
  10. General discussion about real-world vehicles should go in the Vehicle Talk area.

Showroom Guidelines

This section does not contain any rules but your topics will be more helpful by following these guidelines. The staff may alter your topic title to make it more helpful.

 

Topic Titles

These can be given a few special letters at the start which make it easier to see what sort of project the topic is for.

 

 

(<First_Part> | <Second_Part>) <Topic_Title><Topic_Description>

This is the recommended format for topic titles. The <Topic_Title> is normally the name of the project and the <Topic_Description> is a short comment about the project. You may use round brackets or square brackets but round brackets work better in forum code. The <First_Part> should be seperated from the <Second_Part> by a vertical bar character.

 

Some examples of topic titles are further down. You can type whatever you want with of the <Topic_Description> part.

 

<First_Part> Values:

 

Letters Full Text Description
WIP Work In Progress Is not complete and normally won't contain a download link.
REL Release Public download and feedback for a mod. Any minor updates will be made in this thread and not a new thread.
<Second_Part> Values:

 

Letters Full Text Description
SCR Scratch-made Is completely original. No converted or modified parts.
CON Conversion Is a mod created by somebody else which has been altered for GTA. Contains no original parts, or only a few original parts.
MOD Modification Makes some changes to an existing model.
Final Final No further updates are planned for this project.
Beta Beta Public download and feedback for a mod which is not fully complete.
#.# (A decimal number.) Version number. Beta releases should use values smaller than 1.0 and Final releases should use values of 1.0 or larger. You may use version numbers but they are not recommended.
Title: (WIP | SCR) Nissan Skyline R33

This means: A completely new car which is getting close to a release.

 

Title: (REL | 0.9 Beta) Nissan Skyline R33

This means: A nearly complete version.  These are normally released to get feedback for creating the completed release.

 

Title: (REL | 1.0) Nissan Skyline R33

This means: A completed version but it may get extra details added.

 

Title: (REL | 1.2 Final) Nissan Skyline R33

This means: All the bugs are fixed.  No more work is planned for this vehicle.

 

Title: (WIP | MOD) Nissan Skyline R33

This means:  A "tuned" version of this car.  The modification has not been done by the original author but has their permission.

 

Title: (WIP | CONV) Nissan Skyline R33

This means: Transferring this car from another game to GTA, or from one edition of GTA to another edition.

 

Title: (Other) GTASA Handling Overhaul

This means: New data files related to vehicles but does not include any vehicle models.

If your topic is not like any of these, you might be in the wrong area. If you are not sure what title to give your topic, you can ask in this thread.

 

 

Topic Icons

When you first create your topic, most skins allow you to select a topic icon from below the message area. The options are:-

  • user posted image - Grand Theft Auto 3.
  • user posted image - Grand Theft Auto Vice City.
  • user posted image - Grand Theft Auto San Andreas
These are recommended but you don't have to use them. Edited by Cerbera

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SeaNorris.

A little nitpick tounge.gif

 

Number 7 should be and not abnd

 

I know, I'm a perfectionist

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sandrock2

hhhmmmm very good rules but i think its a bit much

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Suction Testicle Man
i think its a bit much

That's a rather broad comment.. rules are rules and are only placed where necessary. Rather than dumb down these topics so lazier/thicker people can read them, we just remove those that don't read them and their topics. tounge.gif

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Todd587

I have a mod that I'm working on that I would like to post as a WIP thread, mostly because I need help and input on several aspects of it. However the model and texture that i'm using I pulled from the game "1NSANE" made by Invictus. I've read the rules and understand completely that this type of mod is not allowed to be released here, but do the conversion rules apply only to models being released or are any type of mention of it banned? Are WIP threads and showing of pictures allowed? I have all intentions of making it clear that the model and texture are not by me.

 

I plan to host the mod on my own GTA modding website when it's finished, so at the end of the WIP thread (that is if i'm allowed to start a WIP thread) is it permissable to post a link to my website?

 

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Suction Testicle Man
I have a mod that I'm working on that I would like to post as a WIP thread, mostly because I need help and input on several aspects of it. However the model and texture that i'm using I pulled from the game "1NSANE" made by Invictus. I've read the rules and understand completely that this type of mod is not allowed to be released here, but do the conversion rules apply only to models being released or are any type of mention of it banned? Are WIP threads and showing of pictures allowed? I have all intentions of making it clear that the model and texture are not by me.

 

I plan to host the mod on my own GTA modding website when it's finished, so at the end of the WIP thread (that is if i'm allowed to start a WIP thread) is it permissable to post a link to my website?

Images are allowed, though it can't be guaranteed all other members will appreciate them. wink.gif Posting a link to the download is not allowed without direct proven permission however.

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danno1992

once u have downloaded the cars how do u get them intothe game and where can u get good cars for the game from rahkstar2.gif

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Heihachi_73

My initial suggestion is to stop the lag of massive screenshots being thrown up; e.g. multiple 1024x768 images at over 1MB each is not a really good way to start a page. It would speed up page loading ten-fold if people could post thumbnails or links to the images instead of the image itself, then anyone else on the LAN could still play their crappy WOW or Counter-Strike without being lagged past recognition! I'm not on 56K either - I gather it's even worse for those unlucky people.

 

danno1992: Could there be a more stupid place to ask such a question? I gather the 1992 part of your nickname is your year of birth. user posted image

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green523

That's all right!I'll take it! biggrin.gif

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Chong McBong

NICE rules dude.. i couldn't agree more..

(i have seen forums torn nasty a few times due to lack of rules, so its good to see you are keeping a beady eye on things tounge2.gif)

 

i just started using gtaforums, although i have been modding for well over 3 years, and have used gtagarage.com the whole time smile.gif

it seems like a nice community (srom what i have read so far). some very helpful peeps..

 

i think there is nothing wrong with saying "thats nice, when is it released" it shows support and interest and makes you smile while you are working on a mod smile.gif

 

so if anybody wants to ask me that, its ok, i don't mind, i am glad people are liking my work smile.giftounge2.gif

 

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Thanks for all your help STM and the rest of the gtagarage dudes, you have helped me a lot over the years.. much respect to you all icon14.gifsmile.gif

 

 

 

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hehe, tounge2.gif i just saw how old this thread was.. no worries though, rules are good smile.gif

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Sale90

Nice Rule smile.gif

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