Debating Sports

[Sports Weekly]

Well, there are a few topics were there is a question "Is this a sport or not" (basically wanting your opinions). Sports Weekly Productions would like to make a new topic dedicated to that. This isn't a debate wheather Tom Brady is better than Michael Vick. This is a topic to debate about, which sport is better and basically which is not a sport at all.

 

So to start it off, I would like to discuss something that has been nagging me ever since I knew about this so-called 'sport'.

 

Golf. I mean seriously, this sport isn't a sport at all. You must hit a ball off the tee, while the crowd is quiet, while usually guys in the MLB have to hit a 96 MPH fastball while the crowd is yelling. Then in the NFL, you must catch a 55 MPH football (pending on what type of pass it is) with the risk of getting you finger knocked out of place and getting tackled hard.

 

Golf isn't nothing. You have a guy walk around carrying your bags and tee's, and you walk to the hole. It's stupid.

 

I also find it hard to find that Tiger Woods is consider one of the most greatest athletes ever .

 

 

[Mafia Drive Gunner]

Golf is a sport.

 

Sport (as defined by the Wesbter's Dictionary) - An athletic game or pastime, usually involving physical capabilities and competition.

 

Golf fits all of those. You can't hit a ball 275 metres without being physically in shape, competition is fierce and it is a pastime.

 

It fits the criteria. It is a sport, because it involves working hard physically to get your body in shape to be able to do things, and it requires as much skill, if not more, than most others. Anyone can hit a ball, but not everyone can hit a ball from 150 metres from the hole to within 1 metres of it.

 

It is also more of a challenge mentally than most other sports. I think cricket would come very close to one of the most mentally challenging sports, because in a pressure situation you have to be able to keep your cool, and I can tell you from personal experience, when you are under pressure in any sport, to hit the winning runs, kick the winning field goal, sink the winning putt, it is very hard and is harder on you mentally than physically. -MDG

[Crokey]

I would also have to agree that Golf is indeed a sport as it does involve alot of physical attributes to it, unless you are of the Mark Twain school of thought which is - Golf, a good walk spoiled. It also does require some skill, hitting a ball that far to within a space a few centimetres across (the hole) says it all really.

 

And by the very nature of sport it is a competative game, which would place it into that category as well.

 

One sport which has always puzzled me as to whether or not it should be a sport would be Snooker and/or Pool. Yes it has the skill and the competative nature to it, but it doesn't nessarily require alot of physical needs. For example walk into any pub/bar/pool hall up and down the UK for example (or anywhere for that matter) and the people who are playing it are not nessarily the kind of people who are a peak of physical condition, its not like if you want to play the sport you have to have perfectly toned biceps or anything, its a game for all ages and sizes. Snooker/pool are very mental games, and in effect it is a very mathematical game as it all about angles. So this begs the question could Snooker and/or Pool be classed as a sport?

 

GC

[woodprior383]

Golf is a sport. It's actaully one of the purest sports there is. I think the real debate is whether or not auto racing is a sport. Like NASCAR or Indy Racing.

[D Jones]

Well, if you guys say it like that, then the Hotdog eating contest are sports .

 

 

In Golf, you walk, you hit a ball in silence, you have some guy carry your baggage and you wear weird clothing. I mean in all seriousness, at least the golfer can carry his own sh*t, or at least have the crowd be yelling.

 

 

Get into a car, strap up in all the gear they need to get into a car and sometimes it's 90+ degree's, and they only get water breaks on pit-stops, which is basically whenever they new tires or if something is wrong with there tire. Then you have to drive 290 MPH and do that for about 300 laps. No restroom breaks, no food and It's a harder sport IMO. It's been in our pastime for a long time, so, it's a sport .

[woodprior383]

Some NASCAR drivers actually have water systems in their helmet. So they can drink during the whole race.

[D Jones]

Some NASCAR drivers actually have water systems in their helmet. So they can drink during the whole race.

Well, mark that out then. But they still can't use the restroom. And I forgot to mention the crashes.

 

 

The only "sporty" thing about golf, is hitting the ball, and that's it.

 

 

[Joey.Leone]

To the people who doubt golf is a sport: Have you ever tried playing it? Have you ever tried hitting a golf ball into a hole from the distances pro's do, acheiving the same accuracy? Just because it doesnt appeal to you, doesnt mean it is not a sport.

 

You cant just pick up golf in minutes, it takes years of training to become a sportsman like Tiger Woods and all the other top golfers out there.

 

@ D Jones: Do you play golf? If not then you are being somewhat ignorant.

[D Jones]

@ D Jones: Do you play golf? If not then you are being somewhat ignorant.

Never in my life.

 

 

I still can have views on it, I've seen people play it in real life, and watched it on T.V. before. I mean, after comparing the Hotdog Eating Contest and Golf, eating Hotdogs as fast as you can is more of a sport. I give a lot of golfers credit for hitting a ball 200+ yards and getting it close to the hole, but that's all they do. Make it where they have 3-5 minutes to get to the hole and hit it, make it where the fans don't have to be quiet, because that's wrong.

 

 

IMO, Golf can add a lot of other stuff to it to call it a sport.

 

Btw, Poker isn't a sport, and doesn't deserve to be on ESPN for 4 hours .

[Joey.Leone]

Eating Hotdogs does not require skill, just a napkin.

 

I can understand you can views on it, but as others have stated, all the criteria involved in golf push it towards being a sport.

 

All sports have their own traditions and rules, fans being silent at golf is just one of them.

[D Jones]

Eating Hotdogs does not require skill, just a napkin.

 

I can understand you can views on it, but as others have stated, all the criteria involved in golf push it towards being a sport.

 

All sports have their own traditions and rules, fans being silent at golf is just one of them.

It also takes an apitie .

 

 

Yeah, but the game changes, and it should change. I mean, I can understand you need some quietness to hit a ball on the tee (that isn't moving). But then again, Baseball players hit 95-100 MPH fastballs while the fan is being somewhat 'loud'.

 

 

Paintball is a sport. If your getting hit by something, and it involves running, I consider it a sport.

 

 

[Cuse510]

@golf. I'd have to say it is a sport, because it takes great hand-eye coordination. I consider myself an athlete, because I am usually able to pick up any sport that I play quickly and be decent at it. However, I can't hit that damn little ball straight. It's so frustrating.

 

@Nascar: I don't know. I was actually talking with some of my friends today about this. It doesn't take much of what I think of as "athletic skill", but more of driving skills. If it's not a sport though, I'm not sure what it's called...

[D Jones]

@Nascar: I don't know. I was actually talking with some of my friends today about this. It doesn't take much of what I think of as "athletic skill", but more of driving skills. If it's not a sport though, I'm not sure what it's called...

Lol, well like I always say, you try getting into a car driving 300 MPH and even dodging big wrecks.

 

Nascar is a sport, doesn't matter if you're in a car. And if you think not, then just watch the pit members, watch how they work on cars. Which isn't "sporty" but they do that sh*t in 15 seconds.

[Cuse510]

@Nascar: I don't know. I was actually talking with some of my friends today about this. It doesn't take much of what I think of as "athletic skill", but more of driving skills. If it's not a sport though, I'm not sure what it's called...

Lol, well like I always say, you try getting into a car driving 300 MPH and even dodging big wrecks.

 

Nascar is a sport, doesn't matter if you're in a car. And if you think not, then just watch the pit members, watch how they work on cars. Which isn't "sporty" but they do that sh*t in 15 seconds.

I know it takes amazing skill to do that stuff, but amazing driving skill.

 

Point is, I suppose there is no true definition of what a sport is. People make their own definitions. Personally, I like "athletic sports", and by that I mean sports such as: football, basketball, baseball, hockey, soccer, tennis, lacrosse, cricket, rugby, hurling, AFL, the list goes on. Hell, even sports like racquetball and team handball fit in there. Sports made for "natural athletes." I think you all get my point...

[Mafia Drive Gunner]

Eating Hotdogs does not require skill, just a napkin.

 

I can understand you can views on it, but as others have stated, all the criteria involved in golf push it towards being a sport.

 

All sports have their own traditions and rules, fans being silent at golf is just one of them.

It also takes an apitie .

 

 

Yeah, but the game changes, and it should change. I mean, I can understand you need some quietness to hit a ball on the tee (that isn't moving).

 

 

It isn't the hitting the ball that matters. Anyone can hit that little white thing. It is the control of the white thing that makes it so incredible. It is definitely a sport. Go out, and you try and hit a golf ball exactly where you want to. Unless you know exactly what you are doing, it is near impossible. Being able to spin it, put it in the right spot, hit a nice approach shot are all things that make it a sport.

 

Sports take skill, and golf takes plenty more skill than most other sports because it drains you physically and mentally. You can't just go out and sink a 50 foot putt. That takes years and years of going out onto a putting green and hitting the ball over and over. Same with driving the little f*cker. It is very repetitive to try and master the game, but once you master it, it becomes an art form. Once you can do anything with that ball, you are a true athlete.

 

On the natural athletes thing, this also takes to a degree, a natural athlete. Tiger Woods talent was picked up as a three year old when he started giving his father tips whilst watching him play. Natural athleticism comes in all sports, even those like pool and snooker. Some people can just pick up and play, and if they realise that talent, that makes them even better because they start to practice towards a goal. To me a natural athlete is someone who can pick up and bat, ball, cue, club or whatever, and do a reasonable job with it. I like to think I go alright in any sport I play. -MDG

[SIP YEK NOD]

It isn't the hitting the ball that matters. Anyone can hit that little white thing. It is the control of the white thing that makes it so incredible. It is definitely a sport.

 

it isn't just hitting the button, its hitting the buttons right, and quick enough. fingers = part of the body. Unfit and untrained fingers can't move fast, therefore, PC GAMING IS A SPORT!!!!

 

 

Golf is one of those "borderline sports" as is Auto racing. you can choose to hide or reveal certain facts to make a claim either way. anything can be considered a sport in the right context, like so:

 

 

 

1 a : a source of diversion : RECREATION b : sexual play c (1) : physical activity engaged in for pleasure (2) : a particular activity (as an athletic game) so engaged in

 

 

I love websters.

 

 

 

Sex is a sport, and the best sport. its very physical, sometimes competative, and involves 2 balls(or 4 if its competative )

 

[StewMitch]

Golf is a sport of strength (swinging the club, and in High School/College, carrying your own stuff) endurance (again making contact with a little white ball for at least 3 times in 18 holes, while walking a few thousand yards on a moderatlely good golf course, and doing the same thing the next two days) skill (hand-eye for swinging the club, having enough touch to make a good putt on a green, knowing when to flop and when to just chip up) and mental toughness (not letting that last double bogey get to you, and making sure the guy who has made five pars in a row does not get into your noggin).

[Crokey]

NASCAR and all other motorsports are for that matter what they say motorsports, for example F1 drivers have to do incredible amounts of physical workout to stay fit enough to drive as the forces they go through are intense. There is a contraption I've heard many F1 drivers mention which is chair they sit in which has a helmet and pulleys attached to it with weights on the bottom of them which they lift side to side so they can strengthen up their necks as the G-Forces of going round corners for that amount of time can be great, to see an example of this just look at the size of David Coulthards neck its like a tree trunk. I suspect NASCAR and other rally drivers would go through similar programs of fitness.

 

So I would pass NASCAR/F1/Rallying as SPORTS

[SloStenRacing]

 

Golf is a sport.

 

Sport (as defined by the Wesbter's Dictionary) - An athletic game or pastime, usually involving physical capabilities and competition.

 

Golf fits all of those. You can't hit a ball 275 metres without being physically in shape, competition is fierce and it is a pastime.

 

It fits the criteria. It is a sport, because it involves working hard physically to get your  body in shape to be able to do things, and it requires as much skill, if not more, than most others. Anyone can hit a ball, but not everyone can hit a ball from 150 metres from the hole to within 1 metres of it.

 

 

I would also have to agree that Golf is indeed a sport as it does involve alot of physical attributes to it, unless you are of the Mark Twain school of thought which is - Golf, a good walk spoiled.  It also does require some skill, hitting a ball that far to within a space a few centimetres across (the hole) says it all really.

 

Golf DOES NOT fit the physical capabilities definition. Anyone when taught how to "slice" the ball whether built (good physical shape) or skinny (borderline dying) can hit the ball great distances because of their knowledge on hitting the ball. I would put the "game" of golf in the same category as Chess and Checkers since you have to take into wind speed, distance, which club to use, sand and water "traps", etc.

 

 

Well, if you guys say it like that, then the Hotdog eating contest are sports .

 

If this happened the Japanese would be so happy. They could finally assume position as good at some sort of sport.

 

 

Get into a car, strap up in all the gear they need to get into a car and sometimes it's 90+ degree's, and they only get water breaks on pit-stops, which is basically whenever they new tires or if something is wrong with there tire. Then you have to drive 290 MPH and do that for about 300 laps.

 

 

Lol, well like I always say, you try getting into a car driving 300 MPH and even dodging big wrecks.

 

Which one is it? Actually you are severly misinformed over there in Oklahoma because they rarely attain the 200 MPH barrier and only see speed above that during qualifying on some really long tracks. During the race you are lucky to see someone break 180. (and that's again, only on real long tracks) At the road course tracks such as Watkins Glen the record MPH during a race is 103.030 MPH.

 

This year Tony Stewart took the Watkins Glen race while the average speed on the track was 86.804 mph. Jeff Gordon took the first Talladega race with average track speed at 146.904 mph. (Also known as; a far cry from 300MPH)

 

At Infineon Raceway Park, a NASCAR road course track, no one has ever bested the 100MPH mark on even a qualifying lap. Tony took this years here too, average track speed; 72.845 mph.

 

 

Eating Hotdogs does not require skill, just a napkin.

 

Then I propose a challenge for you, come to Coney Island and beat the best of the best in the hot dogging eating competition and take the crown back to the UK. They train year round and build up their stomachs to do this kind of sh*t. Since it requires physical intervention to build up the stomach to do so, by definition Hot Dog Eatting can be considered a sport.

 

 

Golf is a sport of strength (swinging the club, and in High School/College, carrying your own stuff) endurance (again making contact with a little white ball for at least 3 times in 18 holes, while walking a few thousand yards on a moderatlely good golf course, and doing the same thing the next two days) skill (hand-eye for swinging the club, having enough touch to make a good putt on a green, knowing when to flop and when to just chip up) and mental toughness (not letting that last double bogey get to you, and making sure the guy who has made five pars in a row does not get into your noggin).

 

Strength? No. Skill? Yes. Since when does swinging a 48 gram (Yes I said it, GRAM) golf club require strength? I know any kid with half an interest in the sport and tall enough to get a full swing could damn well do it. And most Golfers never carry anything, they either have caddies or they drive there clubs around via Golf Carts.

 

As for your endurance, If you think you are going to win anything only hitting the ball 3 times in 18 holes. That's some pretty amazing sh*t right there. Besides the minor mistake/miswording. You say walking distance, now I am going to stress the fact it is WALKING distance not running like most sports, you say a couple thousand yards on a decent course. So we will go with a "moderate" 6,000 yard course but then you say over the course of 3 days. I think it is safe to say you could easily play for 10 hours of each day and with that being said you are now only covering 200 yards (600 feet or two football fields) in an hours time. Even if you only spend 5 hours out there you are only covering around 1200 feet (200 feet shy of a quarter of a mile) each hour. I could easily walk 12 times that in one hour.

 

Skill, like I said above is one of the only things you need to play the game of golf. I would go as far to say patience is needed to since there are so many factors to apply in the game.

 

Mental toughness is just bull crap. I could think up scenarios like you did for anything, doesn't even have to be a sport where you need to zone in on what you are trying to accomplish and ignore the feats everyone else around or the trials you are facing.

[D Jones]

This year Tony Stewart took the Watkins Glen race while the average speed on the track was 86.804 mph.

Ok.

 

Only reason why they go that slow is because it's a Road Course.

 

 

 

Jeff Gordon took the first Talladega race with average track speed at 146.904 mph. (Also known as; a far cry from 300MPH)

Ok.

 

 

Who the f*ck is your source?

 

 

Btw, Gordon only went 187MPH because there was no drafting. So before you talk, learn the sport .

[Pump Bumper]

 

NASCAR and all other motorsports are for that matter what they say motorsports, for example F1 drivers have to do incredible amounts of physical workout to stay fit enough to drive as the forces they go through are intense. There is a contraption I've heard many F1 drivers mention which is chair they sit in which has a helmet and pulleys attached to it with weights on the bottom of them which they lift side to side so they can strengthen up their necks as the G-Forces of going round corners for that amount of time can be great, to see an example of this just look at the size of David Coulthards neck its like a tree trunk. I suspect NASCAR and other rally drivers would go through similar programs of fitness.

 

So I would pass NASCAR/F1/Rallying as SPORTS

 

yep, that says it all. its MOTOR SPORTS. its just a combo of mental ability and physical ability thats very demending, but different that stick-and-ball sports. and btw, i'm going to the NASCAR race at new hampshire tomorrow, hehe. go kahne! or mayfield, considering he's got a shot at the cup... either one. oh, and golf is a sport for sure, just because it seems dumb and doesnt appeal to you doesnt mean its less that other sports. it doesnt take incredible feats of raw strength, but it takes an incredible amount of precise control of your muscles. its physical, just in a different way

[SloStenRacing]

This year Tony Stewart took the Watkins Glen race while the average speed on the track was 86.804 mph.

Ok.

 

Only reason why they go that slow is because it's a Road Course.

 

 

 

Jeff Gordon took the first Talladega race with average track speed at 146.904 mph. (Also known as; a far cry from 300MPH)

Ok.

 

 

Who the f*ck is your source?

 

 

Btw, Gordon only went 187MPH because there was no drafting. So before you talk, learn the sport .

 

I love that you used Nascar.com as your source but failed to search the site before opening your mouth. Incase you haven't figured it out yet .... that was my source too.

 

Take a look for yourself

[Burning-Ice]

Just skimmed over stuff..for all the people who don't think NASCAR or any type of driving (such as my personal favorite Formula 1) isn't a sport..Have you guys ever been Go-Karting? I'm not talking about those rinky dinky piece of sh*ts, I'm talking about the ones that can hit 50-70 MPHs, I did about 15 laps on a very small course and when I came out of the car..my body was completely sore. What those drivers do for the amount of time is amazing if you ask me. Golf ,as well, is not exactly an easy thing to do. I am a very atheltic person but when it comes to golf..I suck ass and that says a lot considering I usually pick up sports fast. Concluding this, I believe both Golf and NASCAR are both sports and should be recognized as such.

[D Jones]

This year Tony Stewart took the Watkins Glen race while the average speed on the track was 86.804 mph.

Ok.

 

Only reason why they go that slow is because it's a Road Course.

 

 

 

Jeff Gordon took the first Talladega race with average track speed at 146.904 mph. (Also known as; a far cry from 300MPH)

Ok.

 

 

Who the f*ck is your source?

 

 

Btw, Gordon only went 187MPH because there was no drafting. So before you talk, learn the sport .

 

I love that you used Nascar.com as your source but failed to search the site before opening your mouth. Incase you haven't figured it out yet .... that was my source too.

 

Take a look for yourself

That's average track.

 

 

You do realise that Talledega is a super-speed way. I can tell you that Jeff Gordon went over 146 MPH at Talledega. If you don't believe, then that's your problem. Ask any Nascar fan.

[Jordan]

Nascar? Oh please no...

 

A bunch of white guys with hick-like mustaches driving round and round 500 times is not a sport...

[woodprior383]

A bunch of white guys

 

That is racist. You're saying that it's not a sport only because there are no black guys. Ever heard of hockey?

[Pump Bumper]

 

Nascar? Oh please no...

 

A bunch of white guys with hick-like mustaches driving round and round 500 times is not a sport...

 

what? i cant hear you! your ignorance if deafening! ok, 1st of all: in the nascar race today, there were 43 drivers with exactly ZERO mustaches. 2nd of all, people like to play the race card alot, but 1st of all, there have been succesful black drivers as well as hispanic, and also, ever think of this: EVERY other sport SEGREGATES women from men. womans tennis and mens tennis is just like major league baseball and negro league baseball in the 40's and earlier. on the other hand, motor sports welcome all people, regardless of race OR sex, and in that way, they are more open-minded and accepting than all other sports. so before you decide to talk about things you clearly don't know about and judge people you clearly don't know, use your little mind logically and stick to what you know. and also, there is no better type of sporting even to attend than races, the people are more fun to be around than any other sport's fans....mostly becuase they consist of ignorant people like you.

[Cuse510]

A bunch of white guys

 

That is racist. You're saying that it's not a sport only because there are no black guys. Ever heard of hockey?

I think he was just making an observation. He'd probably say the same thing if there were many different races of NASCAR Drivers.

 

BTW, about hockey: Jarome Iginla, Mike Grier, Anson Carter, Georges LaRouque, Fred Brathwaite, Peter Worrell. I feel so smart

[SloStenRacing]

That's average track.

 

You do realise that Talledega is a super-speed way. I can tell you that Jeff Gordon went over 146 MPH at Talledega. If you don't believe, then that's your problem. Ask any Nascar fan.

Good lord. You are a f*cking moron. I never said he didn't. Let me point out how much of an idiot you are.

 

First, you say Nascar driver's go 280 and 300 MPH. Which they don't. Actually they are far from going 220 let alone 280-300. Look below your own quotes for links.

 

 

Get into a car, strap up in all the gear they need to get into a car and sometimes it's 90+ degree's, and they only get water breaks on pit-stops, which is basically whenever they new tires or if something is wrong with there tire. Then you have to drive 290 MPH and do that for about 300 laps. No restroom breaks, no food and It's a harder sport IMO. It's been in our pastime for a long time, so, it's a sport .

 

 

Lol, well like I always say, you try getting into a car driving 300 MPH and even dodging big wrecks.

 

Average Track Speeds for the races this year

 

Batman Begins 400 | Michigan International Speedway - Average Speed: 150.596 mph

Aaron's 499 | Talladega Super speedway - Average Speed: 146.904 mph

Golden Corral 500 | Atlanta Motor Speedway - Average Speed: 143.478 mph

GFS Marketplace 400 | Michigan Speedway - Average Speed: 141.551 mph

Auto Club 500 | California Speedway - Average Speed: 139.697 mph

 

Nascar Nextel Cup Records

 

Talladega Superspeedway - Nextel Cup Race Record -Mark Martin 188.354 - 05|10|97

Talladega Superspeedway - Nextel Cup Qualifying Record - Bill Elliott 212.809 -1987

 

Busch Records

 

Michigan International Speedway - Busch Race Record - Mark Martin 169.571 - 10|21|95

Daytona International Speedway - Busch Qualifying Record - Tommy Houston -194.389 1987

 

Lineup’s (with fastest speeds)

 

Golden Corral 500 | Atlanta Motor Speedway - Ryan Newman - 194.690

Batman Begins 400 | Michigan International Speedway - Ryan Newman - 194.232

Coca-Cola 600 | Lowe's Motor Speedway - Ryan Newman - 192.988

Samsung/RadioShack 500 | Texas Motor Speedway - Ryan Newman - 192.582

GFS Marketplace 400 | Michigan International Speedway - Joe Nemechek - 191.530

 

 

Btw, Gordon only went 187MPH because there was no drafting. So before you talk, learn the sport .

 

As you will see from the links above you need to learn the sport before talking. You will go alot faster on a race track by yourself than you will on the race track with 42 other cars. Drafting is just a bonus for passing the others.

 

Where are your fans that will back your previous statements up now? No where, because you were wrong from the start.

[Pump Bumper]

 

As you will see from the links above you need to learn the sport before talking. You will go alot faster on a race track by yourself than you will on the race track with 42 other cars. Drafting is just a bonus for passing the others.

 

alright, i've seen you 2 go at it too long, time for me to step in and knock some sense in.

 

1- average race speed is the total distance of the race divided by total time, MEANING cautions are included. so, although a driver runs 190 mph ever GREEN lap, yellows and pits greatly reduce average speed.

 

2- in race trim with a draft, cars ARE faster than in qualifying. gordon's 187 mph pole was NOT as fast as the speeds in the pack. again, that 147mph race average was so low due to yellows and pits.

 

in case you think im just blowing smoke out my ass, i have been a scorer at nascar events and have kept track of lap times and am fully aware of all rules of the sport, and i attend upwards of 50 nascar sanctioned events a year.

 

just to feed your brains...daytona and talladega are the only tracks where drivers typically run faster race laps than qualifying laps, due to restrictor plates and the nature of drafting. at other (real) tracks, where cars can not run full throttle for entire laps, the fact that the cars are run with larger grill openings so they can complete several hundred laps makes their lap times slower compared to qualifying where they can tape up the griils and run 2 bonzai laps. dont talk about the sport if you dont know about it

 

edit:

As you will see from the links above you need to learn the sport before talking. You will go alot faster on a race track by yourself than you will on the race track with 42 other cars. Drafting is just a bonus for passing the others.

 

Where are your fans that will back your previous statements up now? No where, because you were wrong from the start. wink.gif

 

 

wow, i just saw that part. man, i LOVE owning over-confident people like this. drafting is just a bonus for passing the others? wha? just to clear it up even further....a car in qualifying trim may run a 187mph lap (by himself), that car in race trim may run 183 mph (by himself), but in the draft, that race setup may run 192 mph. the rae setup is not "as fast" as the qual setup, but the draft more than makes up for it.

Edited September 19, 2005 by Pump Bumper