AMD vs Intel without heatsink! (Old)

[Cran.]

Looks like old Intels has a better thermal design. On tomshardware, they showed how a intel cpu was fine after the heatsink was off, and the amd went up in smoke, literally.

 

http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20010917/index.html

 

It's a bit old, but worth the read. Also watch the video, it's pretty amazing how the Intel is fune and just slows down the game, and the AMD just goes up in smoke. I recommend you watch the video!

 

I wish my school computers were AMDs, i'd have fun watching them go up in smoke, lol.

Edited September 7, 2005 by Cran.

[NeoSNightmarE]

damn...that was not a cool video. poor AMD processor destroyed as much as a processor possibly could. however, i think im still going to stay with the AMD that ive had for about 3 years without any issues. its just a better processor and company imo.

[Svip]

Seen it some time ago, anyways, if you notice, they use old AMD CPUs, remember, Intel has done this since the 70's, while AMD is newer.

 

Even so, modern AMD CPUs works just as well ( if not better ) as modern Intel CPUs.

 

And lastly, who in their right mind would remove the heatsink?

 

I only like this movie because of the music.

[Forfit]

Seen it some time ago, anyways, if you notice, they use old AMD CPUs, remember, Intel has done this since the 70's, while AMD is newer.

 

Even so, modern AMD CPUs works just as well ( if not better ) as modern Intel CPUs.

 

And lastly, who in their right mind would remove the heatsink?

 

I only like this movie because of the music.

I believe AMD was doing it since 1969...

 

Source.

[Svip]

Seen it some time ago, anyways, if you notice, they use old AMD CPUs, remember, Intel has done this since the 70's, while AMD is newer.

 

Even so, modern AMD CPUs works just as well ( if not better ) as modern Intel CPUs.

 

And lastly, who in their right mind would remove the heatsink?

 

I only like this movie because of the music.

I believe AMD was doing it since 1969...

 

Source.

Well, Intel is from 1968, so AMD is still newer.

[Forfit]

Seen it some time ago, anyways, if you notice, they use old AMD CPUs, remember, Intel has done this since the 70's, while AMD is newer.

 

Even so, modern AMD CPUs works just as well ( if not better ) as modern Intel CPUs.

 

And lastly, who in their right mind would remove the heatsink?

 

I only like this movie because of the music.

I believe AMD was doing it since 1969...

 

Source.

Well, Intel is from 1968, so AMD is still newer.

Mmmmmmmm i lost the battle.

[Wolf68k]

Hey let's see if we can get that dumba** that cut off the "tabs" from his video card to try this with his AMD chip

I'll be willing to bet he'd do it.

[Kumagoro]

HALP HALP MY COMPUTER ON FIRE!!!

 

lol j/k

 

Running AMD with a constant 55-60 celcius grade (overheats quite often, case off always )

[AZAZEL]

Hey let's see if we can get that dumba** that cut off the "tabs" from his video card to try this with his AMD chip

I'll be willing to bet he'd do it.

Noone cut anything. Silly, gullible Mr. Wolf. ~az

[the_travis_s]

Pfft, I seriously hope you don't belive that drivel. That's way old, means NOTHING to modern CPUs, and was "incorrect" in the first place.

 

The Athlon / Athlon XP thermal shutdown is different then P4. Where Intel put it on the chip, AMD left it up to the mobo manufacturer. The problem is, not too many mobo manufacturer's actually did this, and thus the crap about AMD's burning up came around. Bad move on AMD's part, they should have just built it into the chip (like modern Athlon 64's have).

Regardless, I've come damn close to burning up a few AMD's in my day. Really stupid moves like starting the system with no heatsink (before I knew better).

 

But, that is NOT why Intel CPU's cost more. It's because

A: Intel already has the market majority, they can charge what they want

B: Intel spends far more on advertising

C: Intel already has the market majority

 

People will buy what they know, and if what they know costs too much they'll buy something cheaper from the same company (i.e. Celeron). Most people don't know about AMD.

[SIP YEK NOD]

being the proud owner of both an Intel pentium 4 530(running at 3.75ghz, 1000mhz fsb, nearly eqivalent of pentium 4 EE @ 3.72ghz) and an AMD Athlon 64 3000+(running at 2.676ghz, bench's appear to be slightly better than AMD FX-55), i can honestly say they are both great processors. Bench after bench has put them both within spitting distance of eachother with neither one coming out ahead.

 

 

 

an intel fanboy will tell you the Intel > AMD

an AMD fanboy will tell you the AMD > Intel

a VIA fanboy will tell you he likes cheese

 

and owning both, i will tell you they are pretty evenly matched.

[Taxman]

Erm...The video was not about thermal designs on the CPUs....it was about how Intel has a step-down process that actually reduces the processor power so the chip dosn't burn out.

[Wolf68k]

Hey let's see if we can get that dumba** that cut off the "tabs" from his video card to try this with his AMD chip

I'll be willing to bet he'd do it.

Noone cut anything. Silly, gullible Mr. Wolf. ~az

You'd be surprised how stupid people can be.

I've seen someone do something close to that with a part that goes in his car.

 

 

 

@Sip

"a VIA fanboy will tell you he likes cheese"

I was suddenly reminded of Larry 'The Cable Guy' when he was singing one his songs and it ends with "I like tater tots!"

[AZAZEL]

Hey let's see if we can get that dumba** that cut off the "tabs" from his video card to try this with his AMD chip

I'll be willing to bet he'd do it.

Noone cut anything. Silly, gullible Mr. Wolf. ~az

You'd be surprised how stupid people can be.

Still doesn't explain the crappily photoshopped pic the guy used as proof. ~az

[reticulatingsplines]

Erm...The video was not about thermal designs on the CPUs....it was about how Intel has a step-down process that actually reduces the processor power so the chip dosn't burn out.

 

AMD, on the other hand, probably thought: "Why the f*ck would you?" And left it at that.

 

Edited September 6, 2005 by reticulatingsplines

[Taxman]

well, what if say, your fans broke? I mean, all of them. The CPU would burn out (most likely) even if you left it on.

[TwoZero]

This is why most motherboards that have temperature sensors, also have the option to shutdown your computer if the temp gets higher then XX.

I set my old pc at 70 degrees, and one night the CPU Fan died, pc beeped 3 times, and shut itself down (after 89 days uptime).

This was a Duron 1ghz processor, still working fine afterwards.

Nearly every motherboard and BIOS support this these days, same for warnings about low fan speeds and stuff. So why spend money on a more expensive cpu that has the same protection as every pc has these days.

[reticulatingsplines]

well, what if say, your fans broke? I mean, all of them. The CPU would burn out (most likely) even if you left it on.

Good point, however you can usually tell when a fan is dying because it sounds like it's dying. All kudos to Intel engineers for making such a thing work, but I still don't see the point. It's almost over-engineering when you consider that:

 

1. Firstly, as has been said, AMD motherboards have thermal protection now and most later Athlon XP mobos also had this too, which negates any advantage the Intel processor would have using this technology.

 

2. A user who doesn't know a great deal about computers is likely to call a service guy or compaq/dell/whoever if their system starting making the dying fan noise. It's loud enough that it'd signify something not good happening.

 

3. A user who knows computers and indeed built their own will go out and buy a new fan if they hear one dying. Hell, if it's a sleeve bearing unit they can even re-oil the bearing.

 

4. The R&D costs for such things gets passed on to the end-user.

 

Not that you sound like an Intel fanboy, but the legions who are and spouted the stupid "OMG AmD suX0r thEy bl0w up!!!111" line are pretty much a minority now. AMD did so well with the XP line they could afford to ramp up the R&D in packaging and thermal design to reach a parity with Intel. Agreed, Intel processors probably run a bit cooler, but AMD has a rather different approach to processor design that allows lower-clocked chips to run at the same speed as per-clock 'faster' Intel counterparts.

 

All processors are getting cooler for a given speed anyway (Moore was something of a visionary - if you could have clocked an old Athlon up to 4Ghz, you'd need phase-change cooling or something), and while people still have to pay close attention to heat if they want to run stacked systems or overclock, the average user need only a couple of fans for everything to run smoothly. PSU's used to be the only thing pulling air through a case, and sure, running an old Athlon (even early XP's) in a situation like that was walking a fine line. Nowadays, you can't throw a rock without hitting a case with lots of fans, and most PSU's now either have two 80mm or one 120mm doing duties.

 

Right. I'll finish now I need coffee.

[Cran.]

Errr, I should have titled the topic to something different. Anyway, it is a bit old and AMD's would have something to prevent this now anyway thesedays. But they left it up to the Mobo maker anyway back then, I don't know how it is now.