gta_king Posted July 20, 2005 Author Share Posted July 20, 2005 Holy sh*t, its all Patrick's fault. I bet Jack Thompson is tasting victory, and i bet it taste good. Umm, who's Jack Thompson? I know there's a topic concerning a e-mail to him, but it's long. Could someone just sum it up? Jack Thompson is the guy that has been fighting GTA since he was born and now he has finally won. He hasn't won... he wants the game banned, it hasnt been banned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommy vercetti guy Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 Holy sh*t, its all Patrick's fault. I bet Jack Thompson is tasting victory, and i bet it taste good. Umm, who's Jack Thompson? I know there's a topic concerning a e-mail to him, but it's long. Could someone just sum it up? Jack Thompson is the guy that has been fighting GTA since he was born and now he has finally won. He hasn't won... he wants the game banned, it hasnt been banned. Well, he got a nibble of victory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mxyzptlk Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 Here's the Associated Press story about the AO rating. 'GTA' Game Rating Changed to Adults Only Rockstar's parent company, Take Two Interactive, also admitted for the first time that the sex scenes had been built into the retail version of that game — not just the PC version but also those written forXbox and PlayStation2 consoles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donald Rack Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 I feel bad for PatrickW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simps Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 Everybody stock up on GTA games. If this Jack Thompson guy succeeds, we will make a fortune selling them on the black market. Who knew politicians could get their hands on GTA mods... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannyboy04 Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 you know what the funny thing is they blame the modders but if ou go with the gimp suit to a date with millie without the hot coffe mod instaled, she blows you and then you spank her it almost the same thing. i meen it's ok R* is trying to save it's ass but now the modders look like the the bad guys anyway an AO rating won't change much on the net you can buy anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ottae Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 on the + side, at least they're not taking them off the shelves completely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TripWire Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 (edited) I can't remember the last time I saw a game get an AO rating...What games have received an AO rating. Well this is America, where sexual content is infinitely worse than murder. So games like Playboy or Leisure Suit Larry get AO ratings. Sex games are the "worst" according to conservatives. aye, then after a hard day's work, they don their gimp suits and strap-ons and have at it, stupid huh? Holy sh*t, its all Patrick's fault.Jack Thompson is tasting victory, and i bet it taste good. EDIT: Magnum Cum Laude is not AO because there is no serious nudity, but the un-censored version is AO. The Guy Game is not AO because the nudity is blocked out by big censor bars, atleast thats what is in Canada. Ooh a fellow Canadian Hi! I've been thinking about giving LSL: Magna Cum Laude a try, is it any good? Playboy:The Mansion screwed up my graphics card I'll bet you the guy who originally created the Hot Coffee mod must feel mighty sh*tty right about now Who'd have thought a simple mod could cause so much comotion huh? *offers to whoever originally created the mod* Edited July 20, 2005 by TripWire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkncookies Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 (edited) I don't get the difference. Mature is 17+, and AO is 18+. It's just one year.... although I do not belive in ESRB (or any rating system of the sort-for my own reasons), I do wish i could believe that the differance between MA (17+) and AO (18+) is one, hopefully simple answer: Adult Content. Adult Content, which may vary, between simple Nudity, touching yadda yadda(MA17+) or high sexual content/ pornographic content (AO), which is everything/anything beyond that. Which brings me to the point, that this really isnt a simple answer, and probably a discussion for another place/another time. But briefly, IMHO and in painfull hatred toward some people that dont know what they are talking about (IE ESRB, certain politicians/reporters)...the only thing I have come across about ratings is that they dont work, and if they did, it still wouldnt make a difference-because it always comes to a point where...you, that is...YOU, as a person, can understand what "certain" things mean, and how it may affect your life, and the lives of others. What I mean by "certain" refers to, in this case, Sexuality. At what point can you understand reality, and take responsibility for your actions? At that point, IMHO, you are mature...and thats why I dont belive in these "Ratings", because no matter what is politically correct/moral, EVERYONE matures at a differant rate, but will one day, understand "certain" things. And that is why we have ratings. Its all a system in which the population is set up in catagories, and generalizations. The ratings go along with a "controlled" growing environment- which, in short, starts when you are born, and ends when you reach the "point"-which in the US-you turn 18. This system assumes that you cannot understand, comprehend, or accept responsibility-until you are 18. That goes for every subject, but are again, generalized to certain points (sex/violence/etc), and as we have seen, the media always seems to blow way out of proportion. EDIT: I just noticed in the time it took me to write this one post, it seems that there is about a WHOLE page in replies. I guess i should type faster. Edited July 20, 2005 by Milkncookies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weirdal Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 Rockstar Games has ceased manufacturing of the current version of the title and will begin working on a version of the game with enhanced security to prevent the "hot coffee" modifications. This version will retain the original ESRB M-rating and is expected to be available during the Company's fourth fiscal quarter. Rockstar Games will be providing AO labels for retailers who wish to continue to sell the current version of the title. whats the big deal? there will be a few games with the AO label for a while, whoopde-freakin-do. just wait a month and get the new one if your mommy's and daddy's won't let you get an AO game. for all of you saying that the M rated sex-filled game will be worth a bit more money, you're wrong. its going to be the AO games which will be worth the most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliPilot Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 I don't get the difference. Mature is 17+, and AO is 18+. It's just one year.... And in the US neither one makes it illegal to sell to minors. I think in every state the ERSB ratings are only recommendations. That is not entirely true, all states have different mandates on this. For example, in Washington state it is illegal to sell M rated games to minors. You will be fined and possibly face jail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soleil Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 I don't get the difference. Mature is 17+, and AO is 18+. It's just one year.... And in the US neither one makes it illegal to sell to minors. I think in every state the ERSB ratings are only recommendations. That is not entirely true, all states have different mandates on this. For example, in Washington state it is illegal to sell M rated games to minors. You will be fined and possibly face jail. I live in Washington and I was never carded when I bought this game. I bought it twice (once for my cousin). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TripWire Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 on the + side, at least they're not taking them off the shelves completely True, but this will definitly change how R* develops future games (including GTA4), worse case scenario is that they'll lock all the data and no longer legally allow GTA mods to be created, thus reducing replayability, which is what GTA is all about. God, the U.S (excluding R* of course!) can be so damned closed-minded sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarlJohnson24 Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 Well i used to own SA on PS2 until my mum took it away and sold it but on Friday my friend is letting me keep his perfect condition pS2 copy of SA, or Saturday i will buy it again and then i will not be affected.And lay off USA for whoever is complaining about the US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeswi Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 God, the U.S (excluding R* of course!) can be so damned closed-minded sometimes. Rockstar is in Scotland I believe, not the US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TripWire Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 (edited) And lay off USA for whoever is complaining about the US. Sorry heh. QUOTE (TripWire @ Jul 20 2005, 18:16) God, the U.S (excluding R* of course!) can be so damned closed-minded sometimes. Rockstar is in Scotland I believe, not the US. Oh, well then um, ok. Edited July 20, 2005 by TripWire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DexX Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 Holy sh*t, its all Patrick's fault. NO! he unlocked content that was already in the game. if he hadnt done it, someone else would have. I don't know how patrick is feeling about this. probably not too good i would imagine, and comments like that dont help anyone. if R* truly wanted to prevent us from seeing or using the code that was unlocked, they should have removed it period. From a modding point of view, anything that they left on the disc that we can access is fair game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soleil Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 Holy sh*t, its all Patrick's fault. NO! he unlocked content that was already in the game. if he hadnt done it, someone else would have. I don't know how patrick is feeling about this. probably not too good i would imagine, and comments like that dont help anyone. if R* truly wanted to prevent us from seeing or using the code that was unlocked, they should have removed it period. From a modding point of view, anything that they left on the disc that we can access is fair game. If someone else would have unlocked it, then it would be that "someone else's" fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fragger. Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 As an adult, I couldn't care less. As a gamer, it bothers me that because of their stupidity (Rockstar's), modding for future R* games may be too hard to do, if not impossible. The creator of the "hot coffee" mod should be given a reward by R*, just to thank him for pointing out their stupidity and R* deserves tho pay for underestimating the "hackers" (read "modders"). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waste Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 Holy sh*t, its all Patrick's fault. NO! he unlocked content that was already in the game. if he hadnt done it, someone else would have. I don't know how patrick is feeling about this. probably not too good i would imagine, and comments like that dont help anyone. if R* truly wanted to prevent us from seeing or using the code that was unlocked, they should have removed it period. From a modding point of view, anything that they left on the disc that we can access is fair game. If someone else would have unlocked it, then it would be that "someone else's" fault. No, it wouldn't have. R* KNEW people would mod this game. They KNEW modders would pick apart every piece of code when they got the game before they ever released it. Look at how much Vice and III were modded. It's R*'s fault if anyone's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTA:SA DUDE Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 Let me get this straight, Jack Thompson has been fighting GTA since he was born, Why and how did he succeed? And Patrick, Who is he and why is he feeling bad? Sorry but I'm not one to browse the forums, I'd just like to know what is going on. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reticulatingsplines Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 Penny Arcade does Rockstar Awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliPilot Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 I don't get the difference. Mature is 17+, and AO is 18+. It's just one year.... And in the US neither one makes it illegal to sell to minors. I think in every state the ERSB ratings are only recommendations. That is not entirely true, all states have different mandates on this. For example, in Washington state it is illegal to sell M rated games to minors. You will be fined and possibly face jail. I live in Washington and I was never carded when I bought this game. I bought it twice (once for my cousin). Just because it's law doesn't mean all suppliers pay attention. for example when I was 18 I could buy beer from a certain store that never seemed to card. Washington started enforcing the law about 6 months ago. I have a buddy that manages an EB and he requires all his employees to card for any M games. Also in the long run I think Rockstar will actually benefit from all this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 I guess the politician people finally won after the years of battle against GTA. They didn't win anything. What are you talking about? If they gained anything, it's only temporary. Read it again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaijin Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 I guess the politician people finally won after the years of battle against GTA. Yeah, the world is going to end now that GTA:SA moved from M to AO...it's like a 1-year's difference. This is a good thing, people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommygun1 Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 Hot Coffee was the stupidest thing Rockstar has done so far. Its not Patrick's fault, its some programmers who decided to leave it in. I'm gonna be really po'd if they make the game no longer moddable because of something that, in many respects, was not really a mod in that all this was ALREADY in the game. But just remember, we'll always have San Andreas... *Sappy music starts* Edit: I'm sure some people are gonna say, "Well its an adult game and yada yada," but this was like rolling around in ground beef and jumping into the lions den. Really guys... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaoticmayhem Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 you know what the funny thing isthey blame the modders but if ou go with the gimp suit to a date with millie without the hot coffe mod instaled, she blows you and then you spank her it almost the same thing. i meen it's ok R* is trying to save it's ass but now the modders look like the the bad guys anyway an AO rating won't change much on the net you can buy anything. No, it just goes into the shaky camera thing that always happens when there is a date. You must have had the hot coffee mod installed still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scrumps Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 maybe it's already been mentioned, but there is no AO or 18+ rating in australia, so does this mean it'll be banned here? not that i'm really fussed since I already have mine. But I'd still be pissed if I couldnt buy another copy later on due to it being banned. and will this newer version coming out later in the year be unmoddable? or are they just removing those flags from the install? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angryguy Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 I'm not suprised that Rockstar created the content in the first place, but it is suprising that they left it on the disc knowing the mod community's fervor, and the already controversial nature of the game. I can understand where the controversy is coming from, but I don't think it's right of the ESRB to give in to media pressure and modify the game's rating based on a modification and subsequent media pressure. The game was already rated for Mature, and parents are (or should be) well aware of the game's nature. Re-rating it based on simply the existence of this modification makes absolutely no sense, and does not speak well for the future of the game industry - especially the mod community which has (actually) created material in teh past for other games that's likely just as controversial. R* should have removed the content from the disc the first time around (it doesn't take much to delete a few files), but that still doesn't justify changing a rating from M to AO--unless of course they are (rightfully) saying that the entire ESRB rating system is currently inadequate (which it is), in which case changing the rating is still a meaningless act. In the future though, I wouldn't mind seeing content like this included in the actual game, with alternative censored versions enabled by default. If they wanted to make it most effective, they'd just put the AO stuff on a seperate disc (aka patch distributed in stores), sold separately at a minuscule price (say $5 at most), marked as such, and available only to those with proper identification. In that way the main game would still have it's censored rating, and those that are mature enough (*sarcastic reference to current rating names*) can seperately obtain the additional content. Either way though, if R* does want to continue marketing this game the way they have, they do need to release a more havily censored version of this game - some of the material in the original game is a bit beyond what younger games (like my nephew) should be seeing, even though the main gameplay is exactly what they'd enjoy the most. Given these latestevents, and R* recent progression to the more profane, I think officially releasing a censored version of the game, along with an uncensored version, is the best thing they could do. (And yes I know that I just wrote a lot more than I intended, but when I'm bored, I can't seem to stop typing . . . . :-) ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandthefter Posted July 21, 2005 Share Posted July 21, 2005 I guess in a way this will be a good thing in some cases. By the time the next GTA is released i'll be old enough to get it myself (guessing that it'll be coming out at the end of 2006) so the rating is okay with me. Also though, now that the game has the highest rating, rockstar doesn't have to hold back cos even if it is AO (and still 18 over here in the UK) the 'GTA' part will get it sold despite the rating. And as rockstar doesn't have to hold back as other people have said. This could, in a way, be a good thing for GTA. More controversal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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