Spooky Posted July 12, 2005 Share Posted July 12, 2005 "... hackers created the 'hot coffee' modification by combining, reconstituting, and altering the game's source code... we are currently investigating ways that we can increase the security protection of the source code and prevent the game from being altered," Rockstar Games Article: NIMF Stirs GTA Hot Coffee Debate to Next Level Video: ABC News Report If the ESRB reclassify SanAn to AO, Rockstar face a loss in sales, so I would take the threats of "increasing the security protection of the source code and preventing the game from being altered" seriously The protection the R* Rep talks about might be something really simple (or rather, just removing the "extra stuff" that shouldn't have been in the final release), but if R* goes anti-modding it could be bad news for mods that interface with the game directly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacob. Posted July 12, 2005 Share Posted July 12, 2005 I'm fine with them removing the 'extra content', but if they do go anti-modding... They can't magically remove our current moddable copies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spooky Posted July 12, 2005 Author Share Posted July 12, 2005 ...but they'll be sure to include the same stuff in future games. If they go anti-modding, they do have the right to stop us making mods for SA... Because in the end, they do break the EULA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceedj Posted July 12, 2005 Share Posted July 12, 2005 I'm a little more than disgusted at the fact that R* is seemingly trying to blame Patrick for "creating" this out of thin air. Ok, maybe that excuse will work for non modders, but I think the majority of us know better. Disgusting. I'm actually not against democracy though. I'm against things I think are f*cking stupid. I think this is f*cking stupid. - Sweets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uNi Posted July 12, 2005 Share Posted July 12, 2005 *argh* to the media, a anti-modding policy from R* would be bad, but Jacob is right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacob. Posted July 12, 2005 Share Posted July 12, 2005 (edited) If anyone is to blame here, it is not Patrick. R* included sex animations in theirselves, they are fools to think modders wouldn't find them. Edited July 12, 2005 by jacob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loman Posted July 12, 2005 Share Posted July 12, 2005 (edited) What about the Sims?!?!? They have sex scenes that are more explicit than in San Andreas! If R* gets in trouble, Will Wright should, too! Did you know that in the Sims, you can make a woman strap on a dildo and f*** a guy in the a**? Why didn't anyone complain about that? Edited July 12, 2005 by Loman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsuroki Posted July 12, 2005 Share Posted July 12, 2005 *argh* to the media, a anti-modding policy from R* would be bad, but Jacob is right. Agreed. One of the major selling points to SA on PC, as far as I know, is knowing that you can download a wide variety of mods to customize the game. Eliminate that ability, you eliminate a feature of the game, you lose sales. It seems like a very short-sighted, knee-jerk reaction from Rockstar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duble0Syx Posted July 12, 2005 Share Posted July 12, 2005 I can honestly say if it weren't for the ability to mod these games I probably wouldn't have bought them. It adds loads of replay value to a game. I may play future games if they can't be modded, but I won't pay for it. I think R* should have some balls and admit they screwed up rather than punishing the consumers, so hopefully it turns out to be nothing to worry about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holdenrulz Posted July 12, 2005 Share Posted July 12, 2005 (edited) You know what the really stupid thing is ??? That for Vice and III they had texture mod's that reskined prostotutes(sp?) to be naked they never caused a stir. Personally I believe that we should hide the mod and it's topic till this whole thing dies down and poor PatrickW should tell the media "No Comment" or f*ck off either works well. I feel sorry for poor PatrickW being pulled into this bullsh*t. I believe though that no matter what we will still be able to mod our games. And like Duble0Syx if I couldn't mod the game I wouldn't have obtained a legal copy Oh and I don't know why they don't say it was a joke or a entertaining test that the devolper's forgot to remove before release. Edited July 12, 2005 by holdenrulz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sikstyle Posted July 12, 2005 Share Posted July 12, 2005 if anything should have a rating, it should be the mod, and parents need to watch what their kids download anyway, matter of fact what difference does it make if you're having sex in the game and shooting a cop, its ridiculous that that is what changes the rating here between a one year age difference, stupid damn politics. I have san andreas for ps2, and my broke ass is planning on saving for the pc version 1. for sa-mp, and 2. because I want to play around with modding textures. If some guy puts up his mod with the game, graphic or technical, that is not rockstar's responsibility, and even if it was its really not a big deal compared to what else is in the game. kids can look at so much worse stuff online, WAY EASIER than going through the mod process, unless hes worried about child prodigy programmers being scarred by watching two cartoons dry hump Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCspeed34 Posted July 12, 2005 Share Posted July 12, 2005 Oh my god. Lmfao. OH NO! My kid is downloading a MOD that will add sex scenes to the game! Yes you bitch, a MOD. You can mod anything you want. But wait, what else is he doing? Downloading PORN too? Well thats okay, as everyone does. But a MOD for a GAME! OH NO! God damn I hate these f*ckers. All they do is whine about one little thing thay see on the internet for a EDITABLE game. Why not whine about the possibilities of a naked CJ while youre at it too! Just because someone can make certian "things" for a game, doesn't mean you have to cry and download it. The choice is up to you. ________________________________________ 専車SODO-MOTO International Vehicle Importers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jelly Posted July 12, 2005 Share Posted July 12, 2005 At these times there's certainly enough developers knocking on the door with freeroam games akin to GTA.. I'll abandon Rockstar in a snap if they're gonna enforce some ridiculous anti-modding policy to cover up for their own mistakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dertyjerzian Posted July 12, 2005 Share Posted July 12, 2005 (edited) At these times there's certainly enough developers knocking on the door with freeroam games akin to GTA.. I'll abandon Rockstar in a snap if they're gonna enforce some ridiculous anti-modding policy to cover up for their own mistakes. Agreed 100 percent, and I wont stop modding this game no matter what they say. That's a promise. But everyone PLEASE remember, this is NOT a MOD. It is only a mod in that the release script of the game was modified, but everything was there already. NO ONE created this but Rock*. This is their Error. I guess they're getting bit on the ass for such a buggy release? Tell you what, don't let them orchestrate the demise of this fine fine community. They may very have well planned this by leaving that in, knowing that people planned to try to unlock that on the pc when the PS2 limitations were no longer a problem. Makes perfect sense. And, uh "it's gonna bring you down" Well, it's not gonna bring me down. I was RAISED in the jungle. And I will be a frikken AIM chatroom modder before I'm done. And someone will eat a penis for it if something does happen to anyone who didn't create that scene and ok it at rock*. No modder shall come to harm from corporate folly. If you don't stand for that then do not talk to me. I'm putting a ribbon in my sig, if you will protect GTANetwork, put my ribbon in your sig. Just right click it and save as. Edited July 12, 2005 by dertyjerzian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Véscovo Posted July 13, 2005 Share Posted July 13, 2005 No worries, I doubt Rockstar is aiming to do anything. They just want to silence the hysterical parents who obviously have way too much time on their hands. Look at it from Rockstar´s perspective, it´s easier for them to point at some faceless modder. To them there is money involved, you have to remember that. That doesn´t mean that they do not support the community , off the record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
random_download Posted July 13, 2005 Share Posted July 13, 2005 the company has since denied that the code is contained in the retail discs...In fact, Rockstar issued a statement today implying that Wildenborg created the content in the mod. "So far we have learned that the 'hot coffee' modification is the work of a determined group of hackers who have gone to significant trouble to alter scenes in the official version of the game. Now that is absolute bullsh*t. The format for animations isn't even known properly and the code is on the discs. Lets look here... :GFAGNT_2670002: jump ££GFAGNT_294:GFAGNT_26800D6: if 008AB: external_script 26 (GF_SEX) loaded004D: jump_if_false ££GFAGNT_281 Not tested but I reckon that changing 2 labels which is about 10 bytes but probably less would enable the sex content. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squiddy Posted July 13, 2005 Share Posted July 13, 2005 (edited) if anything should have a rating, it should be the mod, and parents need to watch what their kids download anyway Kids shouldn't play San Andreas, in fact most of them aren't "allowed" to. Edited July 13, 2005 by Squiddy GTA mods VC hud GTAreactor ~ DeviantArt ~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xrk Posted July 13, 2005 Share Posted July 13, 2005 Kids shouldn't play San Andreas, in fact most of them aren't "allowed" to. exactly, and how is seeing that worse than seeing the killing, neither are real anyway, who's gonna do anything other than laugh at two chunks of polygons having sex. this is all pathetic, especially that the people that made the thing, and getting paid for it will blame the people who like thier games the most and paid them for it. they know people mod these games, they must have known it would be found after seeing the type of things people did with vc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grovespaz Posted July 15, 2005 Share Posted July 15, 2005 two chunks of polygons having sex That made me laugh,i mean the sentence. BUT, seeing how the most members of the community are 13-14 years old, i think most of them are allowed to. (By their parents) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NTK Posted July 15, 2005 Share Posted July 15, 2005 Before the release , didn't rockstar say: 'The computer version will be fully moddable so that the players can create their own world.'? SO WHY THE HECK THIS!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loman Posted July 15, 2005 Share Posted July 15, 2005 Mybe R* didn't know that the code was in the game? maybe it was just one guy at R* who put it in for a laugh, or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NTK Posted July 15, 2005 Share Posted July 15, 2005 Or that they found out early before the playstation's release and already put it in that people under 18 play the games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris82 Posted July 15, 2005 Share Posted July 15, 2005 I'm fine with them removing the 'extra content', but if they do go anti-modding... They can't magically remove our current moddable copies. I think when they release the 1.1 patch (which is really needed) then they will include some anti-coffee stuff with that. Or in future copies they could alter the main.scm to not have it. Also, Rockstar has thing about not removing unused content.I mean one of my mods lets you eat dounuts and Cluckin Bell. Originally in the game you could eat at Rusty Brown's Ring Dounuts but they took it out but left the food (the dounuts) in. Vice's loading screens are still in SA. I bet in future version R* will learn from their mistakes and remove EVERYTHING not used. -Chris82 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njr1489 Posted July 15, 2005 Share Posted July 15, 2005 I'm fine with them removing the 'extra content', but if they do go anti-modding... They can't magically remove our current moddable copies. I think when they release the 1.1 patch (which is really needed) then they will include some anti-coffee stuff with that. Or in future copies they could alter the main.scm to not have it. Also, Rockstar has thing about not removing unused content.I mean one of my mods lets you eat dounuts and Cluckin Bell. Originally in the game you could eat at Rusty Brown's Ring Dounuts but they took it out but left the food (the dounuts) in. Vice's loading screens are still in SA. I bet in future version R* will learn from their mistakes and remove EVERYTHING not used. -Chris82 Seriously, why leave something in thats not used? Its just a waste of space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted July 15, 2005 Share Posted July 15, 2005 Waste of time to remove it too. DVD discs have the extra space to use.f*cking post wrappers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f3llah1n Posted July 15, 2005 Share Posted July 15, 2005 the point was to be like what they originally said - a game you could mod away at if they hada nice idea that didnt suit the retail version, why bother taking it out - just hide it a bit and see what the community can do with it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f34r Posted July 16, 2005 Share Posted July 16, 2005 It really baffles me as to why people would like to see two "computer generated polygons" perform sex acts let alone with clothes on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedude777 Posted July 16, 2005 Share Posted July 16, 2005 It really baffles me as to why people would like to see two "computer generated polygons" perform sex acts let alone with clothes on I agree! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
9ine Posted July 16, 2005 Share Posted July 16, 2005 even if they do some sort of anti mod policy, i dont think they can do anything to anybody that has already bought the game, as it was originally allowwed to be modded(i think). but they probably could do the policy thing to future copies of gta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vice Planet Posted July 16, 2005 Share Posted July 16, 2005 all these game control boards and adminitsrations are thinking about familys!! most familys are f*cked anyway!! so who give a rats ass!!! its a games not f*cking real life, if i could meet someone from a game regulator board i would kill the f*ckers!!! if owned rockstar i make more explist games for the gamers, it adds fun to the game!!! why arnt these please not complaing that there is a dildo/viberator in the game?? or that you eat junk food??? that stuff has got to do with the family aswell!!! anti -mod policy look please, hackers they will get rid of it!!! and with the clothes issue the chick has no cloths CJ has them!! he has no dick either!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
