Rockstar to purchasers of the PC version--F*CK YOU

[Top Dawg]

:: it seems there is a epidemic :: i have Intel Celeron 2.8 Ghz

1024mb ram

80gb hard drive

48x cd-rw

16x dvd-rom

128mb 9250 Radeon PCI

 

the game runs fine but on 16bit i dont know why i DONT have bugs or glitches, guess its pure luck. i think maybe its the ram but i dont know i wish best of luck to all of you with problems. but maybe just tone it down a bit on the b*tching u know because it gets repetitive.

 

[g33k]

Why do you need a patch?

[taxevader]

Rockstar is definately telling us f*ck YOU! Everyone on here is bitching about specs, systems, OS's, f*cking changing soundcards.. I mean WHAT THE f*ck!!! Every other game I have works PERFECTLY... and if it doesnt then theres a patch out. Why should I change any of my hardware because Rockstar is f*cking lazy and releases any old sh*t.. as long as 90% of the buyers are happy they're laughing. What about the 10% who cant even play the game and have wasted hours reinstalling bloody windows, getting new sound cards, re-reinstalling windows and all the other sh*tty drivers for sound and gfx and whatnot

 

f*ck YOU ROCKSTAR.

[dertyjerzian]

the game works fine for me aside from the advanced menu

[DexX]

 

"Rockstar hasnt even aknowledged the problems"

 

And where are they going to do this. Can you see any offical forums ?

they have an official site you know, and the take 2 support page. oh and the newsletter they send out. its not like they dont have any way to inform us

nothing fancy, just something like "GTA:SA 1.1 Patch out soon" or "in progress" would be all i'm asking.

 

 

car washing is not a bug, it's a feature. car washing didn't 'work' on ps2 either. do you feel cheated over such petty issues? you're gonna have a rough life, if so.

um, yes it did. and its just one of many "features" that worked on the ps2, but not on the pc. i mean ffs, not only did they keep the glitches and bugs that were in the ps2 version, they added new ones!

 

 

Why do you need a patch?

are you blind? your as observant as cartoon corpse. this game is riddled with bugs glitches, issues, imcompatabilities, random lockups, crappy coding, obtuse controls and system-crashing errors, thats why. i'd have thought the innumerable topics with people posting their problems, the pinned buglist topic, and the pinned "solutions" topic would have made that clear.

[Bigun]

I agree, ashdexx. They should at least let us know if they are gonna release a patch ever.

 

--Also to note, the car-washes DO NOT work in the PC neither the PS2 or any other versions.

However...

In the PS2 version: Dirt appears on cars when you drive off-road. If you take a dirty car to a spray-shop aka "Pay n Sprays" the dirt WILL GET REMOVED off the car.

In the PC version: Dirt is ALWAYS there.

Sprayshops DO NOT remove it. There is no way to get rid of the dirt besides [modding] emptying the TXD of the dirt which just makes the dirt invisible.

 

On a side note, stop with the long-ass arguing posts people. It's annoying. -Bigun

[westsidebud]

its been said in here by a few people and i couldnt agree more..

some info on wether they are actualy doing anything or not would be great !

 

even with some bugs on gta sa, i still believe Rockstar

is in a class all their own, few make games that are actualy as much FUN to play !

 

but a good example of what Rockstar should do is make an announcement

something like the one BF2 people got (unfortunaly it seems to be common

operating procedure in game co's to say nothing, example "Valve")

 

Just pretend that the title "Battlefield 2" is "GTA San Andreas" etc

 

 

HOTFIX for Battlefield 2 v1.01 Coming Soon

First off, a HUGE thanks to all of you who emailed me in regards to the memory leak found in the update we released earlier this week (v1.01). Your emails found their way to our production team and they’re in the process of evaluating what needs to be done in order to get this fixed. In the meantime, and since the 1.01 update is causing memory leakage on some systems, we recommend that you reinstall the game and NOT the v1.01 update we released earlier this week.

 

Reinstalling Battlefield 2 will not affect your in-game medals or ranked server statistics. EA and DICE are committed to getting a fix for v1.01 as soon as we possibly can and will continue to keep you informed through this web space in the coming days.

 

NOTE: If you installed and are running the newer server files (Win and Linux versions) we made available earlier this week, please revert those as well. We found that those files had the same issues with memory leaks as did the v1.01 update. You can download the older versions here.

 

[dj4aces]

use a very nice LINUX FIREWALL THAT I SET UP MYSELF

 

that doesn't mention hardware firewall roam. as you claimed. (--credibility, once again)

You have a degree in computer science, right?

Do you go to school at Georgia Tech? They seem to give those things away to any moran who walks through the door.

 

A Linux Firewall is a hardware based firewall. Period. Linux is not some 3rd party application like Zone Alarm. Linux is an operating system, based on UNIX. A Linux Firewall cannot run on the same partition as, say, Zone Alarm. Zone Alarm is a windows-based application. Linux does not use NTFS, FAT32, etc (although the ability to read and write to those partitions are there). It takes a lot of skill and determination to build your first Linux Firewall. And to be completely honest, Linux as an operating system has its own built-in firewall - iptables. The only reason I see to run windows anymore, is to play games. Or develop Windows software, if you're into that. And best of all - it's free.

 

Now, I have grown sick and tired of reading this thread - particularly the comments you have made that have little or no basis whatsoever. You have come here and insulted everyone who knows anything about computers. I would highly suggest that, when you visit your school, you punch every instructor you had on the subject of computer science in the nads. For passing someone like you, they deserve it. Next, I suggest you go get some real world experience. Go read some articles from MaximumPC or Linux Format. Go play with old hardware, making useful creations out of otherwise useless machines.

 

The fact of the matter is, you act like you know it all. And you quite obviously do not.

 

Now, I have played with computers since 1990, at the age of 10. As friends of mine got jobs in high school working in grocery stores or fast food chains, my first job was at a computer repair shop. I learned a lot of new things there, and it helped me to enhance my skills. Just because you have a degree in computer science, doesn't make you hot sh*t. You might be able to impress someone in middle management with that stupid little piece of paper, but you're not impressing anyone with real world skills until you prove yourself. And buddy, with comments like the ones I've read from you, you're impressing no one.

 

As for your 'credibility' comment, it's kind of stupid for you to claim he has lost credibility, when you have none to begin with.

[spacekraken]

I have to agree with the sentiment of the generator of this topic. The hideous bugginess of GTA:SA is a big F.U. to consumers.

 

This game is a gigantic ball of grief. I won't bore you with my specs. My machine plays Doom 3 just fine. Enough said. It should play GTA: SA because GTA ain't no Doom 3.

 

SA is just a buggy game.

 

I've got disappearing pedestrians, then it goes through long phases of horrendous sluggishishness, and then it won't even start! I've tried 3 different kinds of drivers. Uninstalled/installed them in safe mode, used a driver cleaner, re-installed directX 9.0c, done everything except get in there with a hammer and chisel, and it just won't work.

 

Why am I doing all this anyway? My machine plays Doom 3 perfectly! I don't need to revert to Catalyst 4.9, I don't need to do a work around. Rockstar needs to fix their game.

 

If you buy a hamburger at a fast food restaurant and it has no meat between the buns, they don't say, "Okay, what you gotta do is go out to a farm, get a cow, bash it's head in, take a knife, skin it, and cut out the meatiest parts. Now, get a meat grinder and process the meat through that. Then once that's done make patties and grill it for five minutes. Here's where you can get the latest pneumatic-hammers, knives, meat grinders, and grills."

 

And what I find so arrogant on the part of Rockstar is that they put this junk on DVD (saved them a lot of money). So I had to buy a player, and I'm not using it for anything else. I've spent nearly a hundred bucks for this headache. It's insult upon injury.

 

Oh, and of course it's Kazaa, Bittorrent and all the pirates destroying the game industry. It's not because people are sick of paying 50 bucks a pop to be a beta tester.

 

There needs to be a patch yesterday.

[Fug]

 

I have to agree with the sentiment of the generator of this topic. The hideous bugginess of GTA:SA is a big F.U. to consumers.

 

This game is a gigantic ball of grief. I won't bore you with my specs. My machine plays Doom 3 just fine. Enough said. It should play GTA: SA because GTA ain't no Doom 3.

 

SA is just a buggy game.

 

I've got disappearing pedestrians, then it goes through long phases of horrendous sluggishishness, and then it won't even start! I've tried 3 different kinds of drivers. Uninstalled/installed them in safe mode, used a driver cleaner, re-installed directX 9.0c, done everything except get in there with a hammer and chisel, and it just won't work.

 

Why am I doing all this anyway? My machine plays Doom 3 perfectly! I don't need to revert to Catalyst 4.9, I don't need to do a work around. Rockstar needs to fix their game.

 

If you buy a hamburger at a fast food restaurant and it has no meat between the buns, they don't say, "Okay, what you gotta do is go out to a farm, get a cow, bash it's head in, take a knife, skin it, and cut out the meatiest parts. Now, get a meat grinder and process the meat through that. Then once that's done make patties and grill it for five minutes. Here's where you can get the latest pneumatic-hammers, knives, meat grinders, and grills."

 

And what I find so arrogant on the part of Rockstar is that they put this junk on DVD (saved them a lot of money). So I had to buy a player, and I'm not using it for anything else. I've spent nearly a hundred bucks for this headache. It's insult upon injury.

 

Oh, and of course it's Kazaa, Bittorrent and all the pirates destroying the game industry. It's not because people are sick of paying 50 bucks a pop to be a beta tester.

 

There needs to be a patch yesterday.

yeah totaly my point too, if i can play doom3 (the game with the most advanced graphics seen in game to date) i dont see why couldnt i play gta:sa (why should i reverse drivers,uninstall windows,etc,etc?)

nice point there with the meat but lousy with dvd (who doesnt own dvd's these days, lol, i think its cool that games are starting to come on dvd's, means more stuff in game -its the future)

i really dont even care for the patch anymore, i played the game, came to san fierro with missions (25% or smthg like that), got annoyed with bugs+certain missions, i wont play it again

and game developers/publishers can fof with their graphic card optimatisations (nvidia logos,etc), best example of this is hl2 and the way its optimised for ati cards (while stronger nvidia ones have lower performance), same with sa only nvidia

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Edited July 10, 2005 by Fug

[Mike0]

The graphics optimization is really anoying. They're acting like nVidia is the only graphics manufacturer. They should make the game in DX9 and not favour one particular graphics card. They're acting like nVidia is the biggest graphics maker and ATI is a 3rd party maker. Something like Intel and AMD. And nVidia puts drivers out like every second and ATI like once a decade. What's up with that. ATI should hire some nVidia driver programers.

[spacekraken]

Exactly. The fellows at id managed to make Doom3 cross compatible.

 

Graphics card developers must be doing some backdoor maneuvering with the developers. People play this game and see that nVidia users aren't having any problems they'll start switching graphics cards. (No, we'll just stop your buying games).

 

I fell for it with Silent Hill 3. I bought an ATI card because you had to have vertex pixel-schmizel or whatever (only available on ATI) to play that game and now this one is optimized for nVidia. That's another FU to consumers.

 

Yeh, Fug, DVD's are the future for games. I don't like watching movies on my computer so I bought a cheapy player for my TV so I was trying to avoid getting a player for my computer as long as possible. I wouldn't feel this way if SA worked. But it happened on Rockstars watch.

[dak0ta_g33k]

my experience is different. my dell laptop is ATI powered and it hasn't crashed SA YET. but my nvidia equipped desktop has ended just about all my SA gaming sessions with an error reporting box. WTF? it works on one of my comps so it isn't completely buggy--although my laptop happens to have less than the recommend requirements

[zbuffer]

I would of happly waited 2 months later for the game if there were less bugs

[maf]

<Played over 80 hours and no major problems. Can't be that buggy then.

[DexX]

<Played over 80 hours and no major problems. Can't be that buggy then.

maybe not for you, but that doesn't mean there arent problems with the game.

[maf]

<Played over 80 hours and no major problems. Can't be that buggy then.

maybe not for you, but that doesn't mean there arent problems with the game.

I didn't say there were no bugs, just not enough to make it unplayable or unworthy of purchase.

[paris-3]

 

When the patch is out, it's out. Meantime I don't think R* will put out any info on a patch. For me, the game is running very well, only a few gta_sa.exe crashes in 70 hours of play.

Yes, but i have gta_sa.exe crashes everytime i play the game..!!!" ", i've posted my problem and none replied..!!!!!!

[Buttoneer]

 

i was. i didn't say there was no vice city patch is said:

 

 

im not aware of a patch at all for vice city.

 

you kids need to learn how to debate effectively, just slinging crap doesn't get you far. if you have a fair critcism, use it, don't make up stuff. sheesh.

 

Well you 'kids' need to recognise when fair criticism is levelled at you rather than mud.

 

The point, since you clearly missed it, is that there was a patch for VC and people had to use it in order to play the game properly. The fact that you didn't need it is irrelevent. The fact that you were unaware of it AND THEREFORE DEFENDED ROCKSTAR is completely relevent.

 

Do you still consider the original release of VC to be faultless or do you recognise that Rockstar made errors?

 

 

you STILL have not posted you specs. what ATI card?

 

my 9700pro is running 1 driver older than newest. (they don't recommend changing unless you have problems...you know that right?

 

Well maybe you play lots of pirated games which don't come with the manuals. Maybe not. But if you do, I can assure you that many manuals ask you to update all drivers, defrag your hard drive, and run cleanup utilities prior to installing the software. Many driver releases also contain fixes for games that are currently problematic.

 

And, since you're so interested in my setup, I can tell you that I upgraded from 4.9 (the current 'recommended' SA version) a long time ago due to issues with Far Cry. I've kept up to date since then.

 

 

cars in the game can't be washed? i don't view that as anymore than a gripe. some of mine are clean some of mine aren't.

 

sound issues dog a few people. and 1 recently solved their problem when they swapped out their bargain basement trash for soundblaster live (which is old).

 

people have gripes mostly. and try to make sweeping statements about the developer. when, face it, the overwhelming majority of folks are having no problems. on every forum i view for gta sa, only a handful of folks.

 

and i'm almost certain those issues are due to dodgey stuff.

 

car washing is not a bug, it's a feature. car washing didn't 'work' on ps2 either. do you feel cheated over such petty issues? you're gonna have a rough life, if so.

 

'It's not a bug it's a feature'.

'It's not a bug it's a feature'.

'It's not a bug it's a feature'.

'It's not a bug it's a feature'.

 

LOL. I'll repeat that over and over again. I'm sure one day it might come true. Until then, I'll continue to call for a decent product that does not require me to load or unload specific drivers and which isn't a number of features down on the console release. It just isn't necessary, considering the power of todays PC to leave out textures and to fail to take advantage of analogue controllers.

 

Just some quick advice for you; The 'shift key is about an inch away from your left pinky. You get capital letters that way.

[samadriel]

'It's not a bug it's a feature'.

'It's not a bug it's a feature'.

'It's not a bug it's a feature'.

'It's not a bug it's a feature'.

 

LOL. I'll repeat that over and over again. I'm sure one day it might come true. Until then, I'll continue to call for a decent product that does not require me to load or unload specific drivers and which isn't a number of features down on the console release. It just isn't necessary, considering the power of todays PC to leave out textures and to fail to take advantage of analogue controllers.

Amen. If (for some reason) they couldn't make it so that cars could be cleaned up, they should've just chucked the 'dirty' texture out.

[Duble0Syx]

2.6ghz Celeron

1024mb DDR Ram

Geforce 6600GT AGP

SBlaster Audigy 2 Platinum

 

With this setup I have a clean install on the system. The game runs okay for the most part, but in Las Venturas it lags like hell and lags anywhere when it rains. It doesn't matter if I turn off antialiasing or turn down the effects quality or anything. I have plenty of other games with much more detail and things going on that run perfectly on this setup. I don't get random crashes like everyone else, so I can't complain too much, but the game should run smoother at 1024x768x32. R* really should say something about the many issues of the game. I'd like to have faith that they will fix some things, but recently a lot of game companies have been sh*tty when it comes to fixing problems that should have never been there in the first place. I have a PC that is nealy 10x fast than a PS2 and the PS2 run the game better.

[StubStub]

Some of you who are defending Rockstar and the game, like those who say they have no problems so there's nothing wrong and it's the other persons fault, seem to be missing something. The fact that these are computers, and not a console.

 

For those who don't seem to understand this, that means every single person on the planet has a different setup. Even those who have the same exact hardware setups are completely different because of the huge posibilities of installed software and Operating systems.

 

So, you cannot say that since it works for you it HAS to work for someone else and they're doing something wrong. This is no console game, when you create a game you have to take into account for every possible setup there is. (But seeing as how it's a port, and most console ports to pc are crappy compared to thier console versions, it's not surprising this is happening.)

 

However, SA goes beyond the common bugs and glitches you see in console ports. I'm sorry, but if a game is blue screening, locking up, crashing, going through extreme lag and sluggish performance, and having sound/video issues there is something very wrong, with the *game*.

This becomes even more apparent when every single other game you own works perfectly fine but no matter what you do something like GTA:SA continues to go through these problems.

 

You shouldn't have to bottleneck a computer to run an old game, especially setups built to handle more stressing games with ease. You shouldn't have to downgrade or completely change drivers or software to get *one* game to work. You sure as hell SHOULDN'T have to re-install something like DirectX, or windows itself, to get one damn game to work.

 

It should work on most setups, whether they be clean top performers, or dirty old struggling setups. It's the game's creators job to fix this and make sure if it works.

 

This is a major problem as well, since you can't exactly return a computer game once the package is open. So the fact the game is unplayable most of the time means you basicly wasted your money.

 

Btw, my name is Stub, nice to meet you all. ^^

[maf]

Like the previous 3D GTAgames, SA is a console port so the game is not built from scratch to run on PCs. And like you say there are thousands of computer hardware/software configurations out there.

 

It'd be good if the game was a PC game first and console second, but that's not going to happen.

[Buttoneer]

For those who don't seem to understand this, that means every single person on the planet has a different setup. Even those who have the same exact hardware setups are completely different because of the huge posibilities of installed software and Operating systems.

Absolutely 100% right.

 

And it isn't as if anyone here is saying that Rockstar should not encounter any problems. The fact that you are right, Stubby, means that Rockstar and all PC games coders have a hill to climb in order to ensure reasonable compatibility across a whole spectrum of devices, device drivers, operating systems, processors and memory configurations.

 

All PC coders are, in my view, to be praised for even making the attempt.

 

But.

 

Having got it wrong, Rockstar do need to acknowledge the problems and need to make some placatory statement to ensure that they let us all know that they are getting on with producing a patch.

[Cartoon Corpse]

 

A Linux Firewall is a hardware based firewall. Period. Linux is not some 3rd party application like Zone Alarm. Linux is an operating system, based on UNIX. A Linux Firewall cannot run on the same partition as, say, Zone Alarm.

 

linux is an operating system, correct (it is software, not hardware). a linux firewall would be a firewall running under linux os. hardware firewalls do exist technically, but any firewall strategy can be implemented on linux just as on windows, if the software exists.

 

 

you can't even spell moron...MORON.

 

you like to make false assumptions about what folks know, you're gonna be a MORON your entire life.

 

my graduate degree is from UVa.

 

go away kid. i hate dumbasses who are not even capable of making a reasoned argument and don't even know that. you OBVIOUSLY don't have a clue.

 

try google next time before you make a BIGGER ass of yourself.

 

from google:

"The Projectfiles.com Linux Firewall is the swiss army knife of Linux firewall software. Based on the netfilter-iptables tools, the firewall is a single ..."

Edited July 13, 2005 by Cartoon Corpse

[Cartoon Corpse]

 

The point, since you clearly missed it, is that there was a patch for VC and people had to use it in order to play the game properly. The fact that you didn't need it is irrelevent. The fact that you were unaware of it AND THEREFORE DEFENDED ROCKSTAR is completely relevent.

 

i just commented i wasn't aware of a patch. you claimed i stated there was none. im fully aware sometimes patches are needed. however, i think most folks who have game problems have dodgey hardware/software problems. if the producers of the game determine a flaw exists for a certain decent setup. a patch happens. but just because some folks have problems doesn't indicate an oversite of their part.

 

AND i think rockstar has done an excellent job with all it's games. and folks like you that damn them, when you yourself couldn't write a commercial checkbook balancing program most likely...well it says alot more about you than it does about them.

 

 

Do you still consider the original release of VC to be faultless or do you recognise that Rockstar made errors?

 

i consider rockstar to be an excellent software development company. i consider you're attitude towards them to be childish...typical obnoxious retard. no program can be proven faultless. and my experiences with VC (including the jumpbug that prevented me from getting 100% (98%)) are VASTLY outweighed by the great time i had with so many other things. it's called appreciation. you should get you some.

 

 

Well maybe you play lots of pirated games which don't come with the manuals. Maybe not. But if you do, I can assure you that many manuals ask you to update all drivers, defrag your hard drive, and run cleanup utilities prior to installing the software. Many driver releases also contain fixes for games that are currently problematic.

 

i have never pirated anything. and ATI recommends NOT updating drivers unless you have problems.

 

 

 

 

'It's not a bug it's a feature'.

'It's not a bug it's a feature'.

'It's not a bug it's a feature'.

'It's not a bug it's a feature'.

 

LOL. I'll repeat that over and over again. I'm sure one day it might come true. Until then, I'll continue to call for a decent product that does not require me to load or unload specific drivers and which isn't a number of features down on the console release. It just isn't necessary, considering the power of todays PC to leave out textures and to fail to take advantage of analogue controllers.

 

Just some quick advice for you; The 'shift key is about an inch away from your left pinky. You get capital letters that way.

 

 

hmm i thought you meant the carwashes that don't function. well anyway that 'bug' is (IMO) insignificant compared to the stunning abilities you have in these games. you apparently are clueless as to how much math and physics is simulated to make your little cartoon fantasies come true.

 

and perhaps it was left out intentionally due to other limitations or time constraints. who knows? it doesn't bother me a bit.

[Strakha]

i just commented i wasn't aware of a patch. you claimed i stated there was none. im fully aware sometimes patches are needed. however, i think most folks who have game problems have dodgey hardware/software problems. if the producers of the game determine a flaw exists for a certain decent setup. a patch happens. but just because some folks have problems doesn't indicate an oversite of their part.

 

AND i think rockstar has done an excellent job with all it's games. and folks like you that damn them, when you yourself couldn't write a commercial checkbook balancing program most likely...well it says alot more about you than it does about them.

 

Leaving aside the bickering...

 

I don't build bridges, I have no idea about them. However, if one I was on collapsed, I would complain about the engineers that built it. To criticise legitimately doesn't always require expert knowledge of a product, just experience with it, otherwise to be fair most people would be unable to criticise most things.

 

I visit these gaming sites most of the time because I need help with bugs, and I've visited my share. For the more seriously bugged games such as this one, the forums are filled with people stating their problems and their frustrations. Then, every now and then, there is someone stating that there aren't any problems and it's all the other person's computers. I'm sure a significant proportion do have dodgy setups causing their problems, but please trust me that when a forum is as packed full as this one is, it's unlikely to be all dodgy setups. I've only encountered one error in this game (which in turn no-one else seems to have), but I'm not about to assume that everyone elses various problems are all self-inflicted.

 

Software companies should not release games that they know to be bugged or have not tested properly until they are ready, it's not right to be using your customer base as beta testers (and denying them a much needed patch is worse). I'm sure it's not an easy job to port something over and take into account all reasonable setups (it's common for games to have minimum system requirements and exclude certain hardware), but that's what they're expected to do, and it's what we expect when a game is released onto the market and the packaging indicates it will run on your setup without a hitch.

 

Having said all that it's rare for me to be able to run the original release of a game for as long as this (about half-way through) before encountering a serious game-stopping problem. Everyone's at it, not just Rockstar.

[Cartoon Corpse]

 

I don't build bridges, I have no idea about them. However, if one I was on collapsed, I would complain about the engineers that built it. To criticise legitimately doesn't always require expert knowledge of a product, just experience with it, otherwise to be fair most people would be unable to criticise most things.

 

 

hmm. well that's certainly what the unqualified do. so what's your point? you saying it's okay to villify experts who may not reasonably be held accountable? you saying that's reasonable? im saying that's when you ask questions. you don't villify them...as that would be childish. do you get it yet?

 

 

I visit these gaming sites most of the time because I need help with bugs, and I've visited my share. For the more seriously bugged games such as this one, the forums are filled with people stating their problems and their frustrations. Then, every now and then, there is someone stating that there aren't any problems and it's all the other person's computers. I'm sure a significant proportion do have dodgy setups causing their problems, but please trust me that when a forum is as packed full as this one is, it's unlikely to be all dodgy setups. I've only encountered one error in this game (which in turn no-one else seems to have), but I'm not about to assume that everyone elses various problems are all self-inflicted.

 

this game is NOT seriously bugged. this game is orders of magnitude ahead of most games in terms of complexity.

 

and in my experience (as i've stated before) it is MOSTLY dodgey setups. (bargain corner cutting hardware, improper install, viruses, etc)...when, after a time, the developer finds a bug that is due to incompatibility with some 'offbrand' (or not) component, they producse a patch. JUST because you have problems doesn't warrant a patch.

 

 

 

Software companies should not release games that they know to be bugged or have not tested properly until they are ready, it's not right to be using your customer base as beta testers (and denying them a much needed patch is worse). I'm sure it's not an easy job to port something over and take into account all reasonable setups (it's common for games to have minimum system requirements and exclude certain hardware), but that's what they're expected to do, and it's what we expect when a game is released onto the market and the packaging indicates it will run on your setup without a hitch.

 

duh. why do you people continually post the obvious. are you that dense? it says alot more about you, than me, you know.

 

and i say, they've done a marvelous job, and im defending their 'honor' against these obvious philistines! lol.

 

 

Having said all that it's rare for me to be able to run the original release of a game for as long as this (about half-way through) before encountering a serious game-stopping problem. Everyone's at it, not just Rockstar.

 

well, due to my solid ability to select components and software i guess, i never have problems (crashes, etc) with games (well boiling point did once, but i don't even meet the minimum hardware spec for that one).

 

as for ingame 'glitches' (ie carwash not working), if that sort of stuff is not 1 or a host of other glitches present, i don't see the point in griping about it. but then i write software (much less complex, and very reliable...and i occasionally have to port it to other platforms, but im not expected to know how to port it any platform i can't test with). obviously they can't test on every possible combination of hardware PLUS god knows what software is running on folks boxes!

 

the point i've been making is, you buy/build good stuff, you get solid performance. end of story. they've done their job well.

 

i don't view it as a 'fault' of the developer, i view it as a risk you take when you selected the components for your box.

 

it's ABSURD to expect that of them. childish even.

[teh roxxors]

Why is it Cartoon Corpse whores this thread? He contributes nothing but insults. He lives for online arguments.

 

This is the type of socially inept computer geek who is afraid of his own shadow in the real world. He'd get the sh*t kicked out of him for behaving this way outside the safety of his virtual reality, where he feels free to be the equivalent of a school yard bully.

 

You really need to f*ck off and get a life.

 

 

[VampireTigger]

this game is NOT seriously bugged. this game is orders of magnitude ahead of most games in terms of complexity.

 

and in my experience (as i've stated before) it is MOSTLY dodgey setups. (bargain corner cutting hardware, improper install, viruses, etc)...when, after a time, the developer finds a bug that is due to incompatibility with some 'offbrand' (or not) component, they producse a patch. JUST because you have problems doesn't warrant a patch.

It is seriously flawed and in desperate need of a patch to resolve issues.

 

I have two machines setup, the first is a MSI motherboard with AMD Sempron 2500, 512Mb RAM, 80Gb of hard drive and Nvidia 6600GT 128Mb. The motherboard is Via based, it runs the game flawlessly.

 

My main machine is an Asus motherboard with AMD Athalon 3200XP, 1Gb RAM, 3Tb hard drive capacity and Nvidia 6800GT 256Mb. The chipset if NForce and thus the problems. By wiping the OS and using the Via audio drivers I got most of the way through the game, instead of it rebooting the PC every ten minutes, but I can not go further so have to play using the other machine which lives in the team room of my office at work.

 

DO NOT TELL ME THAT I HAVE CUT CORNERS ON MY HARDWARE. I have been building and repairing PCs for 15 years so I am sure that it is not OS related, did that from scratch to cover that base, and the machine is virus tested frequently as well.

 

The game does not work with NForce2 chipsets and Rockstar needs to fix this.