Rockstar to purchasers of the PC version--F*CK YOU

[Natedogg.]

do u want GTA to be the second Starcraft has soooooooo many patch? i think the answer is no, so just keep playing or let others help solving the problems.

wrong attitude. it would be nice if there WAS a patch to get, or even many of them, as opposed to NO fix at all.

 

i'd rather tell people to get the latest patch, instead of telling them they're f*cked because the company is assraping its customers. speaking of which, my ass is starting to bleed. give us a patch you(R*) f*ckers

 

 

If you don't like it, you don't have to play it.

what kind of moronic thinking is that? most places that sell pc games have NO return policy for them. ie, once you buy it, its yours until you find some means of disposing of it. and theres no demo either, so basically its a $50 gamble. but whether you can play it or not, R* has your money.

 

 

To be honest, why should they need to give a sh*t? It's not like it's needed for the online play.

because ITS THEIR f*ckING GAME, and they're responsible for it. if you get a product, and its defective, the company that produces it should atleast acknowledge the defect(s).

 

 

Stop bitching, Reinstall the game (clean). Rollback your ATI drivers and see if it works. If it doesn't then go play Asteroids or Frogger for an indulgement.

no. if it doesn't play, email them relentlessly until you get non-generic answers to your problem.

 

The general attitude seems to be "it works for me, you can go to hell". i and alot of other people, laid down $50 for this game, have pc's that meet the minimum requirements (mine is over the recommened) and have a sh*t ton of bugs errors and crappy/missing features, that R* wont even confrim exist.

i dont have to play it?

why should they give a sh*t?

if it doesn't work, play another game?

 

Fine. as soon as i get my money back, which in many cases, isn't possible or practical.

I laid down $50 dollars game works sometimes, I have every single bug, and with the solutions that were posted, I've tried and it worked. Simple EXE errors that consistently happen I cannot change but happen because possibly a memory leakage problem.

 

But all in all, Rockstar is indeed working on a patch, and it takes some time to recode the bugs and test it out.

[Fug]

did you run a virus check (with avast) that was the last thing i'd have thought of, but that's what rockstar suggested and the six files i found and deleted were the problem!

 

anyway pc's are very complex. and i'd say the vast majority of folks have no problem.

 

in my experience there is something dodgey about your system you're not telling us or are not aware of. like a no cd crack, a virus, an improper resource setting (eg swapspace)

 

it's definately something, and it's not rockstar's fault. it's very difficult to account for all sorts of dodgey crap that folks put on their pc's (or gets put on their pcs)

 

my pc has nothing like that, and i have no problems really. when i had a few, it was a virus, and with boiling point, it was reducing the unnecessary procs.

 

i played all those games you specified as well, plus this one. if i were you, i'd go on a hunt for dodgey stuff.

 

start by (using taskmgr) killing every killable process (user and system...though not stuff like local service

 

that'll reduce your suspects. or post a list of your procs and i will tell you what is killable.

 

get enditall...it shows you more procs (like hidden viruses) than taskmgr does.

 

or contact rockstar support (send them dxdiag report and msconfig report, that's the first thing they'll ask for)

 

if they find something, they'll tell you what to do, if not, they may use it as evidence for a patch (unlikely)

 

most likely they'll tell you what i've told you to do.

thats exactly my point

u have to do a number of things (wich in other games u dont) in order to get the game running normally

thats why we need that patch soon!

[Rage18]

well how about some of you folks who are having problems sending your dxdiag report and your msconfig report to rockstar support?

 

i did that with vice city. and they got me going, and were very nice.

 

it's not that i don't care that your game doesn't work so much. it's that is works for many folks, and i don't see how, if you have a pretty standard, decently powered system, you couldn't make it work.

 

standard stuff:

run virus checkers (my problem with vice city) (Avast found them, norton didn't)

run defrag

make sure you have plenty of disk

make sure you have plenty of swap (and it's enabled even if you have an assload of RAM)

make sure you have GPU drivers that work for some people already.

install program

KILL all unnecessary processes (disconnect from interweb!) kill firewall(s), spoolers, helpers, etc (i do this for most games since i only have a p4 1.4G)

sometimes i run an app like rampage (did for vice city, not SA) in the background to help reclaim RAM that may not be getting freed properly

 

if you have done these things and you have a standard pc, with spec power, you should be fine.

 

but just bashing rockstar which is clearly not at fault here IMO. does no good, expecially here.

 

and don't use dodgey no cd cracks and stuff, or anything like mods. till  you get it running.

 

then if it breaks...blame those things!

it doesnt work for many folks, thats the problem

and damn the guys telling i have junk on my high end PC so i cant run the game properly, well in many cases thats not the reason

if i can run all the other new games (NFS:U2,BF2,HL2,DOOM3) without a glitch i cant see why GTA:SA shouldnt work flawlessly on my PC too? so if a guy says he tried all the fixes mentioned on this forum and has more then capable PC to run the game why shouldnt u trust the guy?

if i get a hardware conflict only in this game and no other fkorz i am going to think its bad coding

didnt rockstar games learn anything from GTA3 and vice city? :\

Battlefied 2 without a bug? yeah freaking right. Doom 3? You think maybe possible just alittle that could be because the game has already been patched? Same for NFSU:2. Nice comparisons dude.....

[Rage18]

 

well how about some of you folks who are having problems sending your dxdiag report and your msconfig report to rockstar support?

 

i did that with vice city. and they got me going, and were very nice.

 

it's not that i don't care that your game doesn't work so much. it's that is works for many folks, and i don't see how, if you have a pretty standard, decently powered system, you couldn't make it work.

 

standard stuff:

run virus checkers (my problem with vice city) (Avast found them, norton didn't)

run defrag

make sure you have plenty of disk

make sure you have plenty of swap (and it's enabled even if you have an assload of RAM)

make sure you have GPU drivers that work for some people already.

install program

KILL all unnecessary processes (disconnect from interweb!) kill firewall(s), spoolers, helpers, etc (i do this for most games since i only have a p4 1.4G)

sometimes i run an app like rampage (did for vice city, not SA) in the background to help reclaim RAM that may not be getting freed properly

 

if you have done these things and you have a standard pc, with spec power, you should be fine.

 

but just bashing rockstar which is clearly not at fault here IMO. does no good, expecially here.

 

and don't use dodgey no cd cracks and stuff, or anything like mods. till  you get it running.

 

then if it breaks...blame those things!

it doesnt work for many folks, thats the problem

and damn the guys telling i have junk on my high end PC so i cant run the game properly, well in many cases thats not the reason

if i can run all the other new games (NFS:U2,BF2,HL2,DOOM3) without a glitch i cant see why GTA:SA shouldnt work flawlessly on my PC too? so if a guy says he tried all the fixes mentioned on this forum and has more then capable PC to run the game why shouldnt u trust the guy?

if i get a hardware conflict only in this game and no other fkorz i am going to think its bad coding

didnt rockstar games learn anything from GTA3 and vice city? :\

Battlefied 2 without a bug? yeah freaking right. Doom 3? You think maybe possibly just alittle that could be because the game has already been patched? Same for NFSU:2. Nice comparisons dude.....

[Mike0]

I also support the bad coding theory. It seems that rockstar had too much graphical effects to put in this game that it all colapsed somehow. GTA III sucked with some bugs, and now San An. So that's twice since GTA III.

 

I think SanAn has a lot of problems mainly because of the new sound system. They should have stayed with the vice city system. In the readme file it says that the game cannot be run without a sound card. In Vice City and GTAIII you could. And one time in GTA III my sound went out and suddenly everything went smooth and very fast. So that's what's fishy about the SanAn thing. In GTA III and Vice City you could choose the sound mode and there were big differences in performance. But in SanAn it doesnt even say what soundsystem it uses. WTF, OMG, LOL

 

Sometimes you wonder did the same people make GTA III and Vice City. I'm just wondering why did they ditch the Miles Sound System.

[maf]

I'd say it's the game code conflicting with certain system configurations. If ppl have other games working fine and not this, then well it must be the game. R* can't anticipate every single PC config and possibly that's where the problems come from. But GTA III and Vice City both had similar problems due to the porting of the game from PS2.

[Grammaton Cleric]

San Andreas is a freaking awesome game, just stop complaining.

 

Thanks for the info on the Battlefield 2 patch though, didn't know about that.

 

I bought Battlefield 2, and I only played it once. I've been too addicted with San Andreas to focus on Battlefield 2. I just can't let go of San Andreas!!!

[maf]

San Andreas is a freaking awesome game, just stop complaining.

 

Thanks for the info on the Battlefield 2 patch though, didn't know about that.

 

I bought Battlefield 2, and I only played it once. I've been too addicted with San Andreas to focus on Battlefield 2. I just can't let go of San Andreas!!!

It is. It is awesome. I've got 70 hours and about 35% logged in the game at the moment. I admit it. I'm addicted

[ssdivision]

San Andreas is a freaking awesome game, just stop complaining.

 

Thanks for the info on the Battlefield 2 patch though, didn't know about that.

 

I bought Battlefield 2, and I only played it once. I've been too addicted with San Andreas to focus on Battlefield 2. I just can't let go of San Andreas!!!

It is. It is awesome. I've got 70 hours and about 35% logged in the game at the moment. I admit it. I'm addicted

70 hours and only 35 % ????

 

I have got 80 hours and 100 %, so speed up a little bit!

 

The game is awesome but it definitely has major problems with its sound engine (the rain/thunderstorm bug). However, this sound engine delivers one of the best surround sounds. The graphics problems are mainly tracable to bad drivers or too old

hardware.

[roAm]

before anyone else says a single thing about me:

 

the partition the game is on is only 2% fragmented, not a single file from San Andreas is.

 

i've tried my card overclocked, standard clock and UNDERCLOCKED, same result

 

i've tried 4 different driver iterations

 

i've installed with a CLEAN copy of XP and tried several driver versions

 

i've checked for as many conflicts as possible by using software apps for checking for everything from harddrive damage to memory errors, and hardware tools borrowed from my campus for actually diagnosing problems with the motherboard

 

everything is CLEAN, i have NO VIRRI, SPYWARE OR ADWARE

i use a very nice LINUX FIREWALL THAT I SET UP MYSELF USING GENTOO AS A BASE. i have a very nice virus scanner with a software firewall and spyware protection included, i also use another antivirus app for scanning from time-to-time just in case my primary gets jacked

 

NOTHING runs on my computer without me knowing it

i can look not only at what PROCESSES are running on my computer, but what THREADS IN THOSE PROCESSES ARE RUNNING

 

if there were a hardware conflict, i would know about it

 

if its not rockstars fault, its microsofts

 

and either way, i said "POORLY CODED SOFTWARE" not "BADLY PROGRAMMED GAME"

Edited July 8, 2005 by roAm

[Fug]

before anyone else says a single thing about me:

 

the partition the game is on is only 2% fragmented, not a single file from San Andreas is.

 

i've tried my card overclocked, standard clock and UNDERCLOCKED, same result

 

i've tried 4 different driver iterations

 

i've installed with a CLEAN copy of XP and tried several driver versions

 

i've checked for as many conflicts as possible by using software apps for checking for everything from harddrive damage to memory errors, and hardware tools borrowed from my campus for actually diagnosing problems with the motherboard

 

everything is CLEAN, i have NO VIRRI, SPYWARE OR ADWARE

i use a very nice LINUX FIREWALL THAT I SET UP MYSELF USING GENTOO AS A BASE. i have a very nice virus scanner with a software firewall and spyware protection included, i also use another antivirus app for scanning from time-to-time just in case my primary gets jacked

 

NOTHING runs on my computer without me knowing it

i can look not only at what PROCESSES are running on my computer, but what THREADS IN THOSE PROCESSES ARE RUNNING

 

if there were a hardware conflict, i would know about it

 

if its not rockstars fault, its microsofts

 

and either way, i said "POORLY CODED SOFTWARE" not "BADLY PROGRAMMED GAME"

omg nice protection dude

"POORLY CODED SOFTWARE" infact is "BADLY PROGRAMMED GAME"

developers obviusly had no time to make the necessary optimatisations to the game so it runs like crap on most of the machines

 

[Rage18]

I like how at the end of your first post you say "it has nothing to do with hardware and everything to do with software" HA prove it. I dont have a single problem with this game other than the basketball going away after saving at madd doggs. What band of RAM do you have? You seem to have skipped over that for some reason. If it is software then its because its "optimised" for"nvidia" none of those games ever work right

Edited July 8, 2005 by Rage18

[Cartoon Corpse]

before anyone else says a single thing about me:

 

the partition the game is on is only 2% fragmented, not a single file from San Andreas is.

 

i've tried my card overclocked, standard clock and UNDERCLOCKED, same result

 

i've tried 4 different driver iterations

 

i've installed with a CLEAN copy of XP and tried several driver versions

 

i've checked for as many conflicts as possible by using software apps for checking for everything from harddrive damage to memory errors, and hardware tools borrowed from my campus for actually diagnosing problems with the motherboard

 

everything is CLEAN, i have NO VIRRI, SPYWARE OR ADWARE

i use a very nice LINUX FIREWALL THAT I SET UP MYSELF USING GENTOO AS A BASE. i have a very nice virus scanner with a software firewall and spyware protection included, i also use another antivirus app for scanning from time-to-time just in case my primary gets jacked

 

NOTHING runs on my computer without me knowing it

i can look not only at what PROCESSES are running on my computer, but what THREADS IN THOSE PROCESSES ARE RUNNING

 

if there were a hardware conflict, i would know about it

 

if its not rockstars fault, its microsofts

 

and either way, i said "POORLY CODED SOFTWARE" not "BADLY PROGRAMMED GAME"

so what are your symptoms? game won't execute? game crashes? what about the game?

 

what are your specs. generic claims about being 'clean', mean nothing to us.

 

disconnect from internet and kill your firewall. running XP and using a linux firewall? those are two different operating systems. do you boot linux from one partition for internet use and XP from another with no firewall when game? or are you networked to a linux machine that carries the firewall, as your access to the web?

 

what is your swapspace setup like? how much free disk do you have?

 

how much free ram do you have just before you fire up the game?

 

do you kill all user processes and unecessary processes (including ones you're 'sure' are okay, but are still unnecessary? spooler and rcman and NETWORK SERVICE and stuff like that?

 

 

what is the tool you use to look at active process threads (assuming multi threaded processes are running)? is it free?

 

i've heard alot of people say they're 'sure' about alot of things that they really aren't. that's the biggest problem with the world today i think.

[teh roxxors]

Apologists always jump to defend these games with notions of device driver and virus-based problems. They whore forums like these so they can be first on the scene with knee-jerk reactions to any and all new complaints.

 

The game has bugs. Every game does. This one is no different. It will need patches.

 

Rockstar has ALWAYS been slow to patch their PC games and has ALWAYS stopped providing patches early in their products' life cycle.

 

The PC consumer is not their primary concern. He is just an afterthought. An easy way to squeeze out profit once console sales taper off.

 

It will be months before a patch arrives to fix any of the current crop of bugs. This is the way Rockstar treats PC consumers. It's sh*tty. Get used to it.

[Cartoon Corpse]

im not aware of a patch at all for vice city.

 

all programs have bugs, i agree. but when they run fine on most boxes, they've done their job.

 

in my experience, alot of folks having problems (i guess unless the just give up and disappear from forums) invariably find some dodgey chunk of something that they overlooked.

 

unless a LARGE segment of customers are experiencing some difficulty. that's when patches happen.

 

we list the possibilities we have seen before. it's got nothing to do with 'whoring' or 'knee jerk'.

 

in fact spitting in the face of those who are trying to offer help and suggestions, is actually knee-jerk...and childish. but this board (and many others) is full of em, so most of us just accept that. we are offering based on our experience what may be possible causes. and some of you take that as an insult or something. as if...

 

we also accept folks who invariably damn the company/game without any understanding of the industry or programming or computers, of any real depth. again, just kids.

 

it's why they're (kids) mostly ignored in the world. in fact, many of them never get past that. always pretending they're 'sure' of everything, when in fact they know next to nothing. other than useless cliches, they all spout.

 

computers are complex, obviously, yet steps and practices CAN be taken to ensure compatability with most apps. you don't do that, you take a chance.

 

some games are really buggy, but just because you're having problems doesn't necessarily mean it's the developer's fault (and is USUALLY ISN'T).

 

 

rockstar is a great development company and does a great job of taking care of most everyone, but the sidewinders, and the folks who just don't have a clue how to maintain or tweak their 'own' systems. yet don't even know they don't know that. again kids...and adults who never developed past that stage.

[DexX]

 

im not aware of a patch at all for vice city.

not too observant eh?

 

http://www.take2games.com/index.php?p=supp...section=patches

 

R* is not infallible and there is the high probability that they errored on the translation from the ps2 to the pc, to quite an extent from my personal experience. yes there are users out there who have no idea what they're doing too. its not an "either or" situation.

[Cartoon Corpse]

no need to be observant when you're not having problems.

 

besides (notice my join date) i didn't get the game till that time (months after) as i was fairly new to gaming at the time.

 

with vice city, funny though, not once did rockstar mention i get the patch. they just asked for my dxdiag and msconfig reports via email.

 

they reviewed them, told me i had a virus (not sure how they knew this), recommended Avast (free). i downloaded it, it found 6 files. i deleted them, the game ran perfectly ever since.

 

even with a patch needing game like Boiling Point, my less than 'spec' machine ran it better than most folks apparently.

 

 

other than a couple games that said they supported ME and didn't (forcing me to upgrade to XP), i don't have any problems with any game. and i have a practically antique box. i just don't use bargain bin, offbrand components, i maintain my box via defrag, etc. i protect against viruses, and i kill unecessary procs before i play

 

 

[Buttoneer]

no need to be observant when you're not having problems.

No, but there is every need to be observant when criticising others.

 

My Ati Card glitches randomly, GPU recovery kicks in.

 

EVERYTHING is up to date. EVERYTHING has been checked. I'm not the only person with this problem and yet despite having posted it here (as others also have) nobody has come up with a sensible solution.

 

I will not roll back drivers because other games I play require the latest versions.

 

The cars in the game cannot be cleaned in the carwash, the standard control method is awful (refuses to use anaologue for accelerate even on an anologue joypad) and the sound issues dog so many people they simply cannot be ignored. 'turn down your acceleration' is not a reasonable option for such a popular chipset.

 

People have genuine grievances, even if you do not.

[roAm]

 

so what are your symptoms? game won't execute? game crashes? what about the game?

 

what are your specs. generic claims about being 'clean', mean nothing to us.

 

disconnect from internet and kill your firewall. running XP and using a linux firewall? those are two different operating systems. do you boot linux from one partition for internet use and XP from another with no firewall when game? or are you networked to a linux machine that carries the firewall, as your access to the web?

 

what is your swapspace setup like? how much free disk do you have?

 

how much free ram do you have just before you fire up the game?

 

do you kill all user processes and unecessary processes (including ones you're 'sure' are okay, but are still unnecessary? spooler and rcman and NETWORK SERVICE and stuff like that?

 

 

what is the tool you use to look at active process threads (assuming multi threaded processes are running)? is it free?

 

i've heard alot of people say they're 'sure' about alot of things that they really aren't. that's the biggest problem with the world today i think.

you're quite dense, arent you? dont like to give up one bit?

there arent many people as nice and brutally honest as myself

 

 

symptoms:

i lose all sound, even music, when it rains -- i have tried EVERY documented solution, and then more...like using my on-board sound, same problem -- even tried other soundcards.

THIS IS SOFTWARE RELATED, END OF DISCUSSION.

 

poor performance on a high-end machine

 

random crashes and hard-locks

 

 

 

specifications:

1gb PC2700 DDR

Athlon XP 2400+ @ 2ghz(normal, 64*C is HIGH during FULL USE)

more-than-adequate 16x DVD drive

same results with DVD(original) or without(using nocd)

Sapphire X800 XT PE -- i've even DISABLED AND RE-ENABLED PIPELINES to make SURE that this wasnt the cause of any random crashes or poor performance

80gb WD Caviar SE -- media(audio, video)

200gb WD Caviar SE -- applications and backups(apps and isos)

160gb USB 2.0 acomdata-branded with a WD Caviar SCSI in the device itself -- everything more essential(extra media, apps)

60gb old-school Maxtor that has never failed me once and does nothing but hold my operating systems and non-essential applications

Audigy 2, also tried Soundblaster Live and a Turtle Beach soundcard, saaaaaaaaaaame problem

 

i have 700 to 800 megs of ACTUAL MEMORY, not including swapspace, free when i start the game

 

i have MORE THAN ENOUGH free harddrive space(a minimum of 2gb on any partition, minus the swap partition which only has 1.2gb free)

 

why didnt you ask for my swap setup along with my specs?

 

full swapspace on second(5gb) partition on the 60 gig OS

a full 3gb swap file. and yes, i'm going to call it a swap file and not a "page" file as Microsoft likes to "borrow" and rename methodology and technology.

 

 

 

internet stuff:

yeah, already tried that. all of that. first thing i try when something is screwing up for no apparent reason.

i said HARDWARE FIREWALL, meaning, EXTERNAL from this computer. its on its own system -- an old Pentium 166 that could serve no other useful purpose, as DOSBOX does all my oldschool DOS games without a hitch

 

 

 

services, etcetera:

yes, yes, yes, i've disabled everything that i can, including Windows Audio to no avail, and if disabling Windows Audio is the only way to "fix" the audio problem, i'd rather live with having to type "PLEASANTLYWARM" every hour or so

 

 

 

process/thread tool:

i use a debugger i'm under an NDA with, therefore, i cannot go into detail about its name or full nature

 

...but as for a free one that i can reccomend because i've used it: Sysinternals Process Explorer

 

 

 

 

 

and no, the biggest problem in the world today is people like you who simply CANNOT be wrong, nor can any company, person or other entity you have even the slightest affiliation with

 

grow up, i'm not flaming, i'm simply stating the truth -- i never said i fully supported the starter of this thread, in fact i dont, but i am experiencing VARIOUS PROBLEMS and Rockstar hasnt even aknowledged that they screwed something up

 

i'm not the exception, weither you want to believe it or not, i'm the rule -- this has happened to people JUST LIKE ME who PAID FOR THIS GAME and STILL cant enjoy it to its fullest because Rockstar had to meet a quota

 

 

 

edit: and just to make absolutely sure you cant find one flaw in my setup...

 

C:\ = operating system, smaller non-essential apps(enough space for anything free)

D:\ = media(nothing from the game is on this)

E:\ = optical

F:\ = swap (3gb swap file is here, 1.2gb free)

G:\ = other apps, including some essential(where the game is installed)

 

most fragmented disk that has anything to do with the game:

G:\ -- 4% fragmented, all game files are in 1(contiguous) fragment(s)

 

 

 

 

edit 2:

 

lol. you used Windows ME? and you were trying to find flaw in my methods...oh lord, what is this world coming to?

Edited July 8, 2005 by roAm

[Fug]

so what are your symptoms? game won't execute? game crashes? what about the game?

 

what are your specs. generic claims about being 'clean', mean nothing to us.

 

disconnect from internet and kill your firewall. running XP and using a linux firewall? those are two different operating systems. do you boot linux from one partition for internet use and XP from another with no firewall when game? or are you networked to a linux machine that carries the firewall, as your access to the web?

 

what is your swapspace setup like? how much free disk do you have?

 

how much free ram do you have just before you fire up the game?

 

do you kill all user processes and unecessary processes (including ones you're 'sure' are okay, but are still unnecessary? spooler and rcman and NETWORK SERVICE and stuff like that?

 

 

what is the tool you use to look at active process threads (assuming multi threaded processes are running)? is it free?

 

i've heard alot of people say they're 'sure' about alot of things that they really aren't. that's the biggest problem with the world today i think.

you're quite dense, arent you? dont like to give up one bit?

there arent many people as nice and brutally honest as myself

 

 

symptoms:

i lose all sound, even music, when it rains -- i have tried EVERY documented solution, and then more...like using my on-board sound, same problem -- even tried other soundcards.

THIS IS SOFTWARE RELATED, END OF DISCUSSION.

 

poor performance on a high-end machine

 

random crashes and hard-locks

 

 

 

specifications:

1gb PC2700 DDR

Athlon XP 2400+ @ 2ghz(normal, 64*C is HIGH during FULL USE)

more-than-adequate 16x DVD drive

same results with DVD(original) or without(using nocd)

Sapphire X800 XT PE -- i've even DISABLED AND RE-ENABLED PIPELINES to make SURE that this wasnt the cause of any random crashes or poor performance

80gb WD Caviar SE -- media(audio, video)

200gb WD Caviar SE -- applications and backups(apps and isos)

160gb USB 2.0 acomdata-branded with a WD Caviar SCSI in the device itself -- everything more essential(extra media, apps)

60gb old-school Maxtor that has never failed me once and does nothing but hold my operating systems and non-essential applications

Audigy 2, also tried Soundblaster Live and a Turtle Beach soundcard, saaaaaaaaaaame problem

 

i have 700 to 800 megs of ACTUAL MEMORY, not including swapspace, free when i start the game

 

i have MORE THAN ENOUGH free harddrive space(a minimum of 2gb on any partition, minus the swap partition which only has 1.2gb free)

 

why didnt you ask for my swap setup along with my specs?

 

full swapspace on second(5gb) partition on the 60 gig OS

a full 3gb swap file. and yes, i'm going to call it a swap file and not a "page" file as Microsoft likes to "borrow" and rename methodology and technology.

 

 

 

internet stuff:

yeah, already tried that. all of that. first thing i try when something is screwing up for no apparent reason.

i said HARDWARE FIREWALL, meaning, EXTERNAL from this computer. its on its own system -- an old Pentium 166 that could serve no other useful purpose, as DOSBOX does all my oldschool DOS games without a hitch

 

 

 

services, etcetera:

yes, yes, yes, i've disabled everything that i can, including Windows Audio to no avail, and if disabling Windows Audio is the only way to "fix" the audio problem, i'd rather live with having to type "PLEASANTLYWARM" every hour or so

 

 

 

process/thread tool:

i use a debugger i'm under an NDA with, therefore, i cannot go into detail about its name or full nature

 

...but as for a free one that i can reccomend because i've used it: Sysinternals Process Explorer

 

 

 

 

 

and no, the biggest problem in the world today is people like you who simply CANNOT be wrong, nor can any company, person or other entity you have even the slightest affiliation with

 

grow up, i'm not flaming, i'm simply stating the truth -- i never said i fully supported the starter of this thread, in fact i dont, but i am experiencing VARIOUS PROBLEMS and Rockstar hasnt even aknowledged that they screwed something up

 

i'm not the exception, weither you want to believe it or not, i'm the rule -- this has happened to people JUST LIKE ME who PAID FOR THIS GAME and STILL cant enjoy it to its fullest because Rockstar had to meet a quota

 

 

 

edit: and just to make absolutely sure you cant find one flaw in my setup...

 

C:\ = operating system, smaller non-essential apps(enough space for anything free)

D:\ = media(nothing from the game is on this)

E:\ = optical

F:\ = swap (3gb swap file is here, 1.2gb free)

G:\ = other apps, including some essential(where the game is installed)

 

most fragmented disk that has anything to do with the game:

G:\ -- 4% fragmented, all game files are in 1(contiguous) fragment(s)

 

 

 

 

edit 2:

 

lol. you used Windows ME? and you were trying to find flaw in my methods...oh lord, what is this world coming to?

omg dude, what do u do for a living since u get these kind of protection? ^^

i am in love with ur setup

 

The game has bugs. Every game does. This one is no different. It will need patches.

 

Rockstar has ALWAYS been slow to patch their PC games and has ALWAYS stopped providing patches early in their products' life cycle.

 

The PC consumer is not their primary concern. He is just an afterthought. An easy way to squeeze out profit once console sales taper off.

 

It will be months before a patch arrives to fix any of the current crop of bugs. This is the way Rockstar treats PC consumers. It's sh*tty. Get used to it.

 

true true

i expect one patch to come out (like for gta3 and vice city) and thats it (probably will be a sound patch to fix those sound bugs, we all know whos logo is at the start of the game, cause rockstar cant mess their reputation)

[Cartoon Corpse]

no need to be observant when you're not having problems.

No, but there is every need to be observant when criticising others.

 

My Ati Card glitches randomly, GPU recovery kicks in.

 

EVERYTHING is up to date. EVERYTHING has been checked. I'm not the only person with this problem and yet despite having posted it here (as others also have) nobody has come up with a sensible solution.

 

I will not roll back drivers because other games I play require the latest versions.

 

The cars in the game cannot be cleaned in the carwash, the standard control method is awful (refuses to use anaologue for accelerate even on an anologue joypad) and the sound issues dog so many people they simply cannot be ignored. 'turn down your acceleration' is not a reasonable option for such a popular chipset.

 

People have genuine grievances, even if you do not.

i was. i didn't say there was no vice city patch is said:

 

 

im not aware of a patch at all for vice city.

 

you kids need to learn how to debate effectively, just slinging crap doesn't get you far. if you have a fair critcism, use it, don't make up stuff. sheesh.

 

you STILL have not posted you specs. what ATI card?

 

my 9700pro is running 1 driver older than newest. (they don't recommend changing unless you have problems...you know that right?

 

what are you playing? i have boiling point, battlefield 2, chaos theory, GTA SA, Silent hunter 3, Apocalypse weekend loaded currently all running. i've run every top tier/shelf game in the past couple years, plus many others playing catchup (eg HL1)

 

what game(s) requires the latest ATI drivers? none of mine do.

 

 

cars in the game can't be washed? i don't view that as anymore than a gripe. some of mine are clean some of mine aren't.

 

sound issues dog a few people. and 1 recently solved their problem when they swapped out their bargain basement trash for soundblaster live (which is old).

 

people have gripes mostly. and try to make sweeping statements about the developer. when, face it, the overwhelming majority of folks are having no problems. on every forum i view for gta sa, only a handful of folks.

 

and i'm almost certain those issues are due to dodgey stuff.

 

car washing is not a bug, it's a feature. car washing didn't 'work' on ps2 either. do you feel cheated over such petty issues? you're gonna have a rough life, if so.

 

 

[Cartoon Corpse]

 

you're quite dense, arent you? dont like to give up one bit?

there arent many people as nice and brutally honest as myself

 

 

symptoms:

i lose all sound, even music, when it rains -- i have tried EVERY documented solution, and then more...like using my on-board sound, same problem -- even tried other soundcards.

THIS IS SOFTWARE RELATED, END OF DISCUSSION.

 

poor performance on a high-end machine

 

random crashes and hard-locks

 

 

 

specifications:

1gb PC2700 DDR

Athlon XP 2400+ @ 2ghz(normal, 64*C is HIGH during FULL USE)

more-than-adequate 16x DVD drive

same results with DVD(original) or without(using nocd)

Sapphire X800 XT PE -- i've even DISABLED AND RE-ENABLED PIPELINES to make SURE that this wasnt the cause of any random crashes or poor performance

80gb WD Caviar SE -- media(audio, video)

200gb WD Caviar SE -- applications and backups(apps and isos)

160gb USB 2.0 acomdata-branded with a WD Caviar SCSI in the device itself -- everything more essential(extra media, apps)

60gb old-school Maxtor that has never failed me once and does nothing but hold my operating systems and non-essential applications

Audigy 2, also tried Soundblaster Live and a Turtle Beach soundcard, saaaaaaaaaaame problem

 

i have 700 to 800 megs of ACTUAL MEMORY, not including swapspace, free when i start the game

 

i have MORE THAN ENOUGH free harddrive space(a minimum of 2gb on any partition, minus the swap partition which only has 1.2gb free)

 

why didnt you ask for my swap setup along with my specs?

 

full swapspace on second(5gb) partition on the 60 gig OS

a full 3gb swap file. and yes, i'm going to call it a swap file and not a "page" file as Microsoft likes to "borrow" and rename methodology and technology.

 

 

 

internet stuff:

yeah, already tried that. all of that. first thing i try when something is screwing up for no apparent reason.

i said HARDWARE FIREWALL, meaning, EXTERNAL from this computer. its on its own system -- an old Pentium 166 that could serve no other useful purpose, as DOSBOX does all my oldschool DOS games without a hitch

 

 

 

services, etcetera:

yes, yes, yes, i've disabled everything that i can, including Windows Audio to no avail, and if disabling Windows Audio is the only way to "fix" the audio problem, i'd rather live with having to type "PLEASANTLYWARM" every hour or so

 

 

 

process/thread tool:

i use a debugger i'm under an NDA with, therefore, i cannot go into detail about its name or full nature

 

...but as for a free one that i can reccomend because i've used it: Sysinternals Process Explorer

 

 

 

 

 

and no, the biggest problem in the world today is people like you who simply CANNOT be wrong, nor can any company, person or other entity you have even the slightest affiliation with

 

grow up, i'm not flaming, i'm simply stating the truth -- i never said i fully supported the starter of this thread, in fact i dont, but i am experiencing VARIOUS PROBLEMS and Rockstar hasnt even aknowledged that they screwed something up

 

i'm not the exception, weither you want to believe it or not, i'm the rule -- this has happened to people JUST LIKE ME who PAID FOR THIS GAME and STILL cant enjoy it to its fullest because Rockstar had to meet a quota

 

 

 

edit: and just to make absolutely sure you cant find one flaw in my setup...

 

C:\ = operating system, smaller non-essential apps(enough space for anything free)

D:\ = media(nothing from the game is on this)

E:\ = optical

F:\ = swap (3gb swap file is here, 1.2gb free)

G:\ = other apps, including some essential(where the game is installed)

 

most fragmented disk that has anything to do with the game:

G:\ -- 4% fragmented, all game files are in 1(contiguous) fragment(s)

 

 

 

 

edit 2:

 

lol. you used Windows ME? and you were trying to find flaw in my methods...oh lord, what is this world coming to?

actually no, im quite smart (but i also know ALOT about what i don't know), with a graduate degree (on scholarship) in computer science. though not a ps/hardware expert, i make do quite nicely i think.

 

END OF DISCUSSION. how authoritarian. in fact there is a guy on another thread in the SA forum who solved his sound issues (all game issues in fact) by replacing his bargain basement card with a soundblaster live. so we know that works.

 

you obviously don't know how to hook it up correctly apparently. i use audigy 5.1 (platinum? or extreme or something been over a year) that works, i used to use sound blaster 3.1.

 

so if soundblaster live IS WORKING on someone elses system, that OBVIOUSLY says something ELSE doesn't it?

 

 

7-800, that's about what i have when i fire up the game. how is your swap set up? another partition? is it "system chooses" or do you allocate a chunk yourself?

 

why didn't i ask? cause it didn't occur to me to ask till i did. alot of times, just knowing ram,gpu,cpu..basics points to something. but i have a laundry list of things i would (have) checked and keep track of on mine. that can affect a games performance or even it's playability. you didn't mention whether the game ran at all, so i just threw it in.

 

about your firewal, i don't remember reading HARDWARE firewall. only linux firewall...i'll check back (you didn't edit did you?) i could've overlooked it.

 

well disabling all unused procs at least narrows the field of possibles (not mention freeing up resources the game can use, and not have to 'conflict'/contend with.)

 

you're under an NDA to USE a debugger? that's odd. what are you a beta tester? you can't even mention it's name? that's even more odd. what kind of NDA did you sign?

 

oh i can be wrong, but then i have to be wrong first. you're loose form of argument doesn't prove your point. but it does prove you are one to JUMP to conclusions...to me.

 

'grow up, im not flaming'....i am grown up little man. and you and some others are flaming.

 

and that debugger you can't mention story, sounds pretty fishy.

 

 

we've already established that sound blaster live works for this game, the problem is with something you are doing or are not doing correctly.

 

that, to me, is obvious.

[dertyjerzian]

no need to be observant when you're not having problems.

 

I've had just about enough of reading this thread. Number one, nice setup on your box there. And I can't help but be the guy to tell you that youll say "no need to be observant when you're not having problems." when that sh*t that you ain't ready for kicks off and the lights go out. Clap for tha players cause the set is loaded with props and you play the games that give a clue. Hope you don't need your vehicle.

 

Observance is key to undarstanding a lot. And you never have to observe my word up there, but more do every day. And you didn't know about a patch?!?!? That sh*t makes me feel bad for a lot of people. I did look at your join date. You've been here that long and missed any mention of it? It's mentioned in the mta forum many times and you have to tell MTA which version you have. You have to have read about the patch. Look at my join date, man. And I don't happen to need the patch, but I do read. I also retain that which I read.

 

Furthermore,

 

 

Apologists always jump to defend these games with notions of device driver and virus-based problems. They whore forums like these so they can be first on the scene with knee-jerk reactions to any and all new complaints.

 

 

teh roxxors pretty much summed it up imho. If you know your computer as well as it seems you do, then you should know that if you have no problems anywhere at all, 'specially in the instalalation, than your problem lies most likely in a simple place like configuration. Or that cross platform firewall. I'm not going to be the judge of that, but I am going to judge this topic with a big thumbs down and say "damn, this sh*t has gone on this long?"

 

And contrary to what I wrote above, I have forgotten what your problem even is with SA*

This is not a support site. And in no way has "troubleshooting" ever been associated with "customer support".

Appreciate that, and respect it.

 

 

[Cartoon Corpse]

 

use a very nice LINUX FIREWALL THAT I SET UP MYSELF

 

that doesn't mention hardware firewall roam. as you claimed. (--credibility, once again)

 

i noticed you also edited you original post that i replied to. i'll respond.

 

 

i used ME cause it's what was available at the time. and i made it work without problems. 2000 wasn't even out when i built my last pc. and it's still going strong.

sheesh

 

you're whole life full of all these false assumptions about things? i hope you're quite young, cause you have ALOT of growing to do.

[Cartoon Corpse]

 

And I can't help but be the guy to tell you that youll say "no need to be observant when you're not having problems." when that sh*t that you ain't ready for kicks off and the lights go out. Clap for tha players cause the set is loaded with props and you play the games that give a clue. Hope you don't need your vehicle.

 

Observance is key to undarstanding a lot. And you never have to observe my word up there, but more do every day. And you didn't know about a patch?!?!? That sh*t makes me feel bad for a lot of people. I did look at your join date. You've been here that long and missed any mention of it? It's mentioned in the mta forum many times and you have to tell MTA which version you have. You have to have read about the patch. Look at my join date, man. And I don't happen to need the patch, but I do read. I also retain that which I read.

 

WTF? can you even speak english? you poser.

 

 

 

 

when that sh*t that you ain't ready for kicks off and the lights go out.

 

what in the hell does that mean? are you a sixth grader? believe me, im ready for ANYTHING you have to offer...retard.

 

 

 

Hope you don't need your vehicle.

 

 

you make no sense at all, but if that's a threat, believe me, im ready for your dumb ass.

 

speak plain english next time pretender.

[dertyjerzian]

Pfft

[BHunterSEAL]

Them be fightin' words!

 

No, seriously, this is the internet, not real life. You guys need to calm the f*ck down. This isn't a debate. This is the troubleshooting forum, we should help each other.

 

Does anyone, at this point in the thread, know what the original/current help request(s) is (are)? I'd be happy to help.

[gohan2091]

 

I dont like the posters attitude but he is right and for all you saying "it runs great on my PC, go play something else"... how rude and selfish is that? You're saying basically "it runs great for me, and thats all I care about, I dont care about other people who cant play the game, as long as it runs good for me, thats all I care about"

 

Well let me tell you something... I paid £35 for this game, I have a powerful PC and I have spent many weeks trying to fix GTA SA. My game keeps giving me a black screen at random times and I have to do a hard reboot which pretty much makes the game unplayable for me.

 

Just because it runs good for you, doesnt mean the game works good for everyone! I will keep waiting for a patch to be released as I have no choice.

 

Well, maybe sharing the problem with us could help much more in your case than making "PATCHPLZLOL" -type posts. :E

 

Well maybe you should do a forum search on my name and you will see how many posts I have made myself explaining exactly what problems I am having and maybe you should also check out the 30 odd posts I wrote in trying to share ideas with people.

 

The game is buggy, it needs a patch... END OF STORY

[DaLion]

"Rockstar hasnt even aknowledged the problems"

 

And where are they going to do this. Can you see any offical forums ?

[roAm]

 

actually no, im quite smart (but i also know ALOT about what i don't know), with a graduate degree (on scholarship) in computer science. though not a ps/hardware expert, i make do quite nicely i think.

 

END OF DISCUSSION. how authoritarian. in fact there is a guy on another thread in the SA forum who solved his sound issues (all game issues in fact) by replacing his bargain basement card with a soundblaster live. so we know that works.

 

you obviously don't know how to hook it up correctly apparently. i use audigy 5.1 (platinum? or extreme or something been over a year) that works, i used to use sound blaster 3.1.

 

so if soundblaster live IS WORKING on someone elses system, that OBVIOUSLY says something ELSE doesn't it?

 

 

7-800, that's about what i have when i fire up the game. how is your swap set up? another partition? is it "system chooses" or do you allocate a chunk yourself?

 

why didn't i ask? cause it didn't occur to me to ask till i did. alot of times, just knowing ram,gpu,cpu..basics points to something. but i have a laundry list of things i would (have) checked and keep track of on mine. that can affect a games performance or even it's playability.  you didn't mention whether the game ran at all, so i just threw it in.

 

about your firewal, i don't remember reading HARDWARE firewall. only linux firewall...i'll check back (you didn't edit did you?) i could've overlooked it.

 

well disabling all unused procs at least narrows the field of possibles (not mention freeing up resources the game can use, and not have to 'conflict'/contend with.)

 

you're under an NDA to USE a debugger? that's odd. what are you a beta tester? you can't even mention it's name? that's even more odd. what kind of NDA did you sign?

 

oh i can be wrong, but then i have to be wrong first. you're loose form of argument doesn't prove your point. but it does prove you are one to JUMP to conclusions...to me.

 

'grow up, im not flaming'....i am grown up little man. and you and some others are flaming.

 

and that debugger you can't mention story, sounds pretty fishy.

 

 

we've already established that sound blaster live works for this game, the problem is with something you are doing or are not doing correctly.

 

that, to me, is obvious.

didnt say stupid, even smart people can be dense -- dense means thicker than average, harder to get through to than normal

 

this is NOT A BARGAIN BASEMENT CARD, i already SAID that i REPLACED IT -- if other people have the SAME EXACT SYMPTOM WITH not only the same card that i use primarily, but some of the other cards that i tested(including the Santa Cruz) -- that points to a software conflict, mister Computer Science. so what if i'm authoritarian, especially if i'm actually RIGHT. -- how long have you been professionally working in the CS field, just out of curiosity? cos i'm 20 and i've been on a professional level of worksmanship in network engineering since i was 14

 

i dont know how to hook it up? okay. so, i have a 7.1 setup...each channel works exactly as it should when i use any DVD or other videogame...and i dont know how to hook it up...alright -- DENSE.

 

just because the SB Live works on one persons system doesnt mean it does on everyone elses, this has already been confirmed by people with Audigy's juuuuuuuuust like mine that have no problems from the get go. SOFTWARE.

 

...heh, yes, my swap is another partition, cant you read? i said "swap partition", i do believe...and if i didnt, my first edit was clear enough. 5gb(a little less, just what free space was left) with a 3gb EXPLICITY-ALLOCATED PAGEFILE and nothing else

 

debugger -- yeah, i'm under a non-disclosure agreement, it's part of a new C# IDE(integrated development environment, for the laymen) suite a friend of mine is working on -- any farthur details and i'll be in breach.

 

uh...i'm not even trying to argue with you, i'm just trying to defend myself. if i'm not wrong, and i dont think i am, you're the one that was abbrasive towards me first.

 

my debugger/process viewer sounds fishy? okay...so what about the free one i linked you just to be extra thorough? not enough for you? oh, okay, that makes perfect sense.

 

you have NOT established that the SB Live works without a hitch. my friend down the street who has an SB Live has the same exact issue as me, and his system configuration is 100% different than mine, minus the OS itself

 

you started this, and i will finish it, for the best or for the worst. if you love Rockstar so much and dont appreciate it when someone says they're not the greatest thing since sliced bread, why dont you apply for a job there? i'm sure they'll turn you down immediately simply because of your fanboyism

 

read all of my posts and then read all of your posts. do not make me report you, i've been tempted from the get-go -- i have nothing PERSONALLY AGAINST YOU, but you have a hard-on for making me angry simply because i said "POORLY CODED SOFTWARE"

 

and to me, THAT is what is obvious

 

 

 

 

 

 

edit, for fug's post:

i'm a freelance IT worker that does everything from networking to virus removal. it may not get me 40,000 a year, but it keeps me alive

 

 

edit, for DaLion's post

 

why, the same way every other company without a forum announces a patch; a press release on their website!

Edited July 9, 2005 by roAm