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robert_malpas

Schapelle Corby

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robert_malpas

Maybe Australians or Balanese people will know what i'm talking about, i'm not sure, but if you do, do you think Schapelle Corby is guilty or innocent of her drug charges in bali??

Let's press the issue.....

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Mortukai

She's guilty of drug smuggling, and guilty of being stupid.

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kyeman

There is not one single motive for this crime. There's nothing that would motivate anyone to import 4.2 kilograms of marijuana into Indonesia. This is too large an amount to be considered personal use, and the street value of these drugs would be worth 4-10 times more in Australia.

 

We are lucky that in our Australian justice system some motive for the crime is always considered by the courts when making a decision. However the Indonesian justice system, being inferior in nature, does not require a motive be found.

 

Those who claim Schapelle Corby is guilty are obviously of extremely low intellect and probably have little knowledge of drug use and drug importing/exporting. Therefore, they're mostly speculating about a subject they know very little about. These are the ones guilty of being stupid.

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ilikensrs
There is not one single motive for this crime. There's nothing that would motivate anyone to import 4.2 kilograms of marijuana into Indonesia. This is too large an amount to be considered personal use, and the street value of these drugs would be worth 4-10 times more in Australia.

 

We are lucky that in our Australian justice system some motive for the crime is always considered by the courts when making a decision. However the Indonesian justice system, being inferior in nature, does not require a motive be found.

 

Those who claim Schapelle Corby is guilty are obviously of extremely low intellect and probably have little knowledge of drug use and drug importing/exporting. Therefore, they're mostly speculating about a subject they know very little about. These are the ones guilty of being stupid.

One can make decent money taking marijuana to bali, contrary to what the teary eyed family of corby would have you believe. If you take high grade marijuana and deal to the western tourists, apparently it can be quite lucrative as the tourists are afraid to buy from balinese in case they are undercover police.

 

Could you also explain your comments that the indonesian justice system is far worse than ours? She was caught red handed, and her only attempts at a defence involved crying a lot in court and having people mumble on about a giant conspiracy.

 

I also don't see how you can claim that anyone whose arguments are opposed to yours must be of low intellect. I actually think that it takes more effort to look at all the evidence, look at how the australian media has convinced people that corby is innocent without a shred of proof, and come to a decision on your own. I also doubt that you're involved in international drug trafficking, so you'd be "stupid" by your own admission.

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Dublo 7

Guilty in my eyes.

 

I hate how everyone is saying she is innocent when there is no evidence that she was innocent, except of course for her word.

 

Then they get some f*cking famous actor in Bali to try to turn peoples opinions. It makes me absolutely sick.

 

Face it. If this girl was a male, black, asian, or crippled, you would not give a flying f*ck about him/her.

 

 

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Mortukai

 

Face it. If this girl was a male, black, asian, or crippled, you would not give a flying f*ck about him/her.

You forgot ugly and fat. If it was some ugly fat bitch, or an average looking guy, or an aboriginal, or basically anyone except a hot young beautician chick, nobody in Australia or the entire media would give a crap. But apparently hot young girls are incapable of being retarded drug runners.

 

There's just as many stupid beautiful people as there are stupid ugly people. And there's just as many beautiful criminals as there are ugly ones. Women included.

 

She's in another country, she is subject to their laws, just as anyone from their Bali would be subject to ours. If some hot Balinese girl was caught trafficking drugs into Australia, do you think the Balinese would kick up a stink? You bet your ass they would. Do you think Australia would give a sh!t? Hell fvcking no! We'd be all like "Fvck off Bali, this biatch is on our turf now and we'll deal with her our own way".

 

But it's funny how fast the media dropped the story once the trial was over. They had their frenzy, they got their ratings, now they move on, waiting for the next human suffering story they can mutilate for advertisement commissions.

 

@ilikensrs: You stole my post you bastard. wink.gif

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ilikensrs

 

But it's funny how fast the media dropped the story once the trial was over. They had their frenzy, they got their ratings, now they move on, waiting for the next human suffering story they can mutilate for advertisement commissions.

 

@ilikensrs: You stole my post you bastard. wink.gif

Interesting to see now that her white knight, the indomitable gold coastian Ron Bakir, is asking for money for the time and services he has provided to their case. Her parents are also reputed to have made at least one hundred thousand dollars from selling their story to the media, yet have no interest in using that money to pay for the legal bills that have been racked up at the taxpayers expense.

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Dublo 7
Face it. If this girl was a male, black, asian, or crippled, you would not give a flying f*ck about him/her.

You forgot ugly and fat. If it was some ugly fat bitch, or an average looking guy, or an aboriginal, or basically anyone except a hot young beautician chick, nobody in Australia or the entire media would give a crap. But apparently hot young girls are incapable of being retarded drug runners.

 

There's just as many stupid beautiful people as there are stupid ugly people. And there's just as many beautiful criminals as there are ugly ones. Women included.

 

She's in another country, she is subject to their laws, just as anyone from their Bali would be subject to ours. If some hot Balinese girl was caught trafficking drugs into Australia, do you think the Balinese would kick up a stink? You bet your ass they would. Do you think Australia would give a sh!t? Hell fvcking no! We'd be all like "Fvck off Bali, this biatch is on our turf now and we'll deal with her our own way".

 

But it's funny how fast the media dropped the story once the trial was over. They had their frenzy, they got their ratings, now they move on, waiting for the next human suffering story they can mutilate for advertisement commissions.

 

@ilikensrs: You stole my post you bastard. wink.gif

I wouldn't say she is hot. But yeah, I get ya drift.

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Mortukai

 

I wouldn't say she is hot. But yeah, I get ya drift.

Well, I'd have a poke.

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kyeman

 

One can make decent money taking marijuana to bali, contrary to what the teary eyed family of corby would have you believe. If you take high grade marijuana and deal to the western tourists, apparently it can be quite lucrative as the tourists are afraid to buy from balinese in case they are undercover police.

 

So, let me get this right; you believe that a 27 year old woman from the Gold Coast smuggled 4.1 kilograms of Majiuana, mostly unconcealed, at the risk of a death penalty, into Indonesia, for the purpose of selling it to foreign tourists?

 

Let's do the math on that. If an average Majiuana deal contains ~1-2 grams of the drug, according to you she was intending to make ~2000-4000 dealings with complete strangers. So this was her big "money making" scheme that she came up with and decided to carry it out on a trip to Bali with her brother and best friend?

 

Why is the Australian public not convinced that she is guilty? Because it _is_ non-characteristic for someone like herself to try and import large amounts of drugs into another country. Infact, being the largest importation of its type, it so far has been uncharacteristic of anyone.

 

 

I also doubt that you're involved in international drug trafficking, so you'd be "stupid" by your own admission.

 

I didn't claim to be a part of international drug smuggling, although I am from the Gold Coast and I do know people who have done time in jail for dealing with large amounts of Majiuana and I also have friends in the Police force.

 

Let me just say that it would not have been easy for her to aquire 4.1 kilograms of Marijuana on a credit line, as would have been required, for the purpose of taking it to Bali to sell to tourists.

 

Nothing adds up in this case. Sure, little evidence has been offered that could prove her innocence, but either could any evidence, besides the actual drugs being in her bag, be found that would seal her guilt. Nobody has been able to explain or reason as to why/how she imported these drugs.

 

Innocent until proven guilty. The fact that the drugs were found in her luggage after a point which she had no access to the luggage does not prove her guilt. In the Indonesian justice system, possession does classify as guilt. Since this leaves open a large room for potential error, I argue that the justice system is inferior.

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ilikensrs
So, let me get this right; you believe that a 27 year old woman from the Gold Coast smuggled 4.1 kilograms of Majiuana, mostly unconcealed, at the risk of a death penalty, into Indonesia, for the purpose of selling it to foreign tourists?

 

Let's do the math on that. If an average Majiuana deal contains ~1-2 grams of the drug, according to you she was intending to make ~2000-4000 dealings with complete strangers. So this was her big "money making" scheme that she came up with and decided to carry it out on a trip to Bali with her brother and best friend?

 

 

 

I believe that it's more likely that she knowingly put marijuana in her bag than it is that some vast shadowy conspiracy operates within australian airports smuggling drugs without the federal police knowing about it. Phew, that was a long one.

If the average deal she would have sold from a 4kg bag was 1 - 2 grams, there would have indeed been many deals to be made, but each deal would have carried with it a signifigant profit margin. I guess you could use that to say that that was how she planned to "make" some "money", and don't see why her brother and best friend would have stopped it from happening. They may well have been there to help, either by dealnig or acting as some kind of security.

 

 

Why is the Australian public not convinced that she is guilty? Because it _is_ non-characteristic for someone like herself to try and import large amounts of drugs into another country. Infact, being the largest importation of its type, it so far has been uncharacteristic of anyone.

 

I don't have a problem with the australian public not being convinced of her guilt. My issue is that through one-sided media specials, the australian public has been convinced that she is innocent. People see ray martins horrible hair on the t.v for an hour moaning about miscarriages of justice, and all of a sudden people are boycotting bali, demanding refunds from the red cross for any tsunami aid they have donated, and blaming lil' Johnny Howard for not stepping in and apparently ordering Corby freed.

To claim that she wouldn't have brought the drugs with her because it's the largest shipment (that we know of) is strange. If nobody ever exceeded the previous amount, then how would record breaking amounts of drugs be getting caught? Every time I see a bust on an importer these days, it seems to be a record amount.

 

 

I didn't claim to be a part of international drug smuggling, although I am from the Gold Coast and I do know people who have done time in jail for dealing with large amounts of Majiuana and I also have friends in the Police force.

 

Let me just say that it would not have been easy for her to aquire 4.1 kilograms of Marijuana on a credit line, as would have been required, for the purpose of taking it to Bali to sell to tourists.

 

Who says she got the drugs on tick? Even if she did, I don't see any reason why there could not have been somebody else financing the operation, or loaning her the money in return for some of the returns.

 

 

Nothing adds up in this case. Sure, little evidence has been offered that could prove her innocence, but either could any evidence, besides the actual drugs being in her bag, be found that would seal her guilt. Nobody has been able to explain or reason as to why/how she imported these drugs.

 

Innocent until proven guilty. The fact that the drugs were found in her luggage after a point which she had no access to the luggage does not prove her guilt. In the Indonesian justice system, possession does classify as guilt. Since this leaves open a large room for potential error, I argue that the justice system is inferior.

 

No evidence, besides the fact that she was caught with drugs in her bag. If I ever get nailed for break and enter, I hope I don't have you for my lawyer. "No your honour, we don't deny that he was caught in the house with a tv in his arms. But what other evidence do the police have? I rest my case". According to the testimony of the indonesian customs officer who searched her bag, she appeared very nervous and hesitant to open her bag.

Her legal teams explanation for this was nowhere to be found, nor was much else aside from the idea that it was somebody elses fault. Mick Keelty stated publically that the afp did not know of any group that would have been involved in this.

I also feel very strongly that were the case to be held in an australian court she would still be found guilty. She had the drugs in her possesion, displayed signs of knowing that, and could not produce one skerrick of information to prove otherwise. I argue that that would mean a guilty verdict being found in indonesia, australia, singapore, england, america, india, vietnam, and any other country that has laws against the importation of marijuana.

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coylez

The Indonesion Justice System, guilty until proven innocent. The indonesions cannont say she is innocent because Australians are saying that shes not, because there is no evidence saying she hasnt put these drugs in her bag. Also, the complete ignorance of the Australians in Bali fighting for the release of Schapelle Corby will not help her case. They need evidence before they fight for her. The evidence that should be looked into are the video cameras where she was at the airport where she departed from, fingerprints on the bag (not sure if they have checked that yet), and also her facial expressions when she was caught wif the 4.1 kilos of drugs(see if she was suprised, reluctant to open the bag, etc).

 

 

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Akuma.

My useless post.....The baggage handlers probably put it in the best choice of bag, a bloody bodyboarding bag (which is BIG), then before it gets to Bali, take it out and do stuff with it.

 

She's gonna go to jail, because no-one can prove her innocence, and she keeps hiring her lawyers and sacking them, blah blah. I'd say innocent, but she'll be guilty in court.

 

There has been videos of baggage handlers tampering, on TV once..... it ended.

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Modder

My family are good friends wif the corbys so no not GUILTY

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Iminicus

Guilty. After reading through to only worthwhile posts on whether she is guilty or nat and having read it in the media, both Austrailian/New Zealand and the Baliense media. I am quite comfortable saying guilty. Also, a point, I think that needs to be put forth.

 

Point:

 

Couldn't Corby have grown the weed herself? Speculation is all that is, however, there is no evidence to prove any other speculation on how she came onto 4.3 kgs of weed.

 

She gets what she deserves. The stupidity of it is, smuggling drugs in to the Asian drug capital. I can see the idea of selling to tourists, however, wouldn't it make more sense to smuggle through a different border or through a different means i.e. by boat or mule. Everyone knows that Airport Security is tighter than ever nowadays, so why risk it?

 

My 1 cent.

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Chalkstar
There is more then enough doubt. If it were held in Victoria (or anywhere in australia for that matter), they wouldn't be able to prove beyond reasonable doubt.

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