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SA - Back to reality

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Deathdime

 

Deathdime, months ago, I started working on something similar.  By the looks of it, SA might've originally had furniture purchases of some kind... there appear to be residual entries in some .dat files... same for jewelry gifts and so on. 

 

A big aspect of this to consider is potential limits to loading textures on-the-fly - particularly with regard to buildings etc.  Working with single objects is very easy but dynamically upgrading an entire interior... all at once or piece by piece, sounds tricky to me... so many things to consider including how many objects can be saved/loaded at any point during gameplay.

 

I too, sit in agreement with you about the desire for custom homes, interior or exterior elements regardless.  But even changing wallpaper on-the-fly... something as simple as that... I will have to look into it.

 

Finally, for integrating additional and unused interiors, that I have done... and am almost finished with it.  But to utilize them for safehouses... gave me some serious headaches in the past.  When I finally get my Resort Area map mod working as it should for the Gentleman's club and safehouse atop Mt. Chiliad, THEN and only then will I consider going the extra mile to incorporate such things into B2R.

 

The reason you see so few willing to venture this direction is because map modding opens the door to exactly what you want, without these headaches.  Dropping in pre-made files appeals to the majority - as does creating one's own structures etc.  Texture modding is even easier for customizing your homes.

 

I would like to point something out here - this damned list of limitations we are screwed with for the time being:

 

San Andreas---------------------------------------------LIMITS

 

main size------------------------------------------------200000 kb

mission size---------------------------------------------69000 kb

number of missions-------------------------------------200

Mission Cleanup List------------------------------------75

model names (2nd segment)--------------------------395

running threads-----------------------------------------96

local variables-------------------------------------------32 + 2 timers

-----------------------------------------------------------1024 total in missions

gosub levels---------------------------------------------8

Text_Draw-----------------------------------------------96

Jump Table Labels--------------------------------------75

external threads----------------------------------------82

external thread attachments---------------------------70

car generators------------------------------------------500

radar blips-----------------------------------------------175

pickups---------------------------------------------------620

last opcode----------------------------------------------0a4e

spheres--------------------------------------------------16

car saving garagetypes--------------------------------16..18,24..32,39..45 

 

...and until SOMEONE truly breaks us out of these limits, modding the way we'd like will continue to be tedius and annoying.  The most promising approach I've seen is that Limit Adjuster thingy but I can't get it to even load sooooo... *shrug*

 

The good thing you have in me is the desire to make my SA do absolutely everything... and I'm willing to share.  wink.gif

 

-Midnightz

I know what ya mean about the limit adjuster wow.gif I tried it for a while, kept crashing my game after I had it loaded. Then looked at some mods that used it and took from there examples. I understand the difficulty with adding it in . Everything that I had modded up to this point was for self enjoyment , I messed around with the dat files to , I know what ya mean about them attempting to add it. Though if they attempted to add it... then who know's, the code may just need strengthening.

But all in all, the mod is outstanding by far to any other out there. I mean Space's mod was incredible when it first was released but the only problem with these mod compilations is they quickly already make you feel like you are playing a mod. Some of the things in BTR are kinda looking past the whole "Im a MOD" thing. Its incorporating features that are believable well playing it , seems like it would fit in anyways.

The limit adjuster has its downside's though at the same time, like crashes popping out of nowhere, which is why I will not touch the United mod until they patch it dozingoff.gif .

Though if sometime in the future, to have this feature incorporated would be a nice touch to the whole customization.

One reference I do want to bring up about the car thievery... I dont know if you were ever a fan of Mafia, for PC (didnt play it for xbox) but it had a unique car thievery system actually based on the knowledge on the car. So if you didn't have the knowledge on how to hotwire a certain vehicle, you wouldnt be taking off with it anytime soon. Something like that for gta would be kind of pushing it on the realism but would kind of be more of a difficulty trip for those who like those kind of challenges notify.gif . Though I remember when this mod just had the petroleum add on and thought it was the most bad-ass thing ever. tounge.gif

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Midnightz

 

the only problem with these mod compilations is they quickly already make you feel like you are playing a mod. Some of the things in BTR are kinda looking past the whole "Im a MOD" thing.

Agreed. What I am attempting to do is keep that aspect of B2R very much alive and real-it-up further, so to speak. I'm also a fan of adding humor and small details.

 

 

The limit adjuster has its downside's though

Its downside is that it simply doesn't work for me. I won't try it again until it makes the leap from BETA to RC. I hope Sacky keeps at it because there are features I could utilize immensely.

 

 

it had a unique car thievery system actually based on the knowledge on the car. So if you didn't have the knowledge on how to hotwire a certain vehicle, you wouldnt be taking off with it anytime soon

Have I played MAFIA? Trying to remember... is there red, white and black spray painted color on the cover? Interesting concept. I've been playing with puzzle type features for B2R, ex. get this combo correct and X happens. Requiring the player to remember certain things is something else I've been dabbling in. I never considered this for the purpose you suggested. Hmm. But I had started a script that involved repairing your vehicle. Let me think about this for a bit. Increasing difficulty - I'm a huge fan of that, indeed. wink.gif

 

Now I have a request, can someone link me to a screwdriver from VC ported to SA? (assuming it's been done, of course)

 

Btw, I forgot to mention before - you morphed to other areas than intended when you messed with linked interiors because every one of them (except for the unused ones) have an enex marker for exiting and that is predetermined by the coords in the dat files. Rearrange these and you get the desired effect... or in this case, destination. You knew this, right?

 

-Midnightz

 

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Btw, I forgot to mention before - you morphed to other areas than intended when you messed with linked interiors because every one of them (except for the unused ones) have an enex marker for exiting and that is predetermined by the coords in the dat files. Rearrange these and you get the desired effect... or in this case, destination. You knew this, right?

 

-Midnightz

As of now? Yes , a few years ago, no. I had the distinct discomfort to be stuck with a v.2 SA for the longest time, so what ever I had done, really had no visual effect to see , since it would crash when ever the IMG, Main Scm or script files were changed. For dat. files, it only happened sometimes. I had to borrow the V.1 game of SA just about a year ago, so I had finally been able to do what I want , without silly crashing smile.gif

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Ahh, but even v1.0 has its limitations... making the original sales pitch that SA was moddable, almost laughable. People have had to do a heck of a lot of work to make it possible. I think R* should cut them royalty checks, to be honest. Glad you're able to now enjoy the game as supposedly intended. wink.gif

 

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Ahh, but even v1.0 has its limitations... making the original sales pitch that SA was moddable, almost laughable. People have had to do a heck of a lot of work to make it possible. I think R* should cut them royalty checks, to be honest. Glad you're able to now enjoy the game as supposedly intended. wink.gif

http://grandtheftauto.filefront.com/file/V...n_Andreas;73797

^ that has all Vice city weapons conveniently for the use of SA wink.gif

 

Anyways yes, 1.0 has its boundaries but not of what the extremes in 2.0 were.

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asanovic7

Hello!

This is my first post. I've been reading this forum up until march last year when I stopped reading it. The reason or reasons were this: B2R crashes down so many times its not so annoying, its silly. But that was 3.1, I don't know about 3.2, 4.0, or whatever. What I also didnt like about this mod is that stupid mission master. I don't know, I just don't like it. It bores the game. For me. Just saying. And when you race one of the races in LS, your car starts in subway station. Bugs like that. Since then, I didnt play much game because I was doing some mod for me. For fun. Anyways the reason why sabrpetrol mod from cns wasnt working with missions was one stupid parameter, I think greensabre or something like that(hot coffee discovery). You talked about that for two years. I corrected that and I also thrown out subtitles, names of missions(seeing wu zi mu for the 15th time was, is stupid), those short words when you dance and shšt, like super, wow, bad and couple of other stuff, like help and stuff like that. I ve learned that from driver mod, hot coffee mod and your mod, comparing. You guys should really work hand by hand, it would be alot easier for all others and you. Anyways, I now have, in my mod, pissing, corrected. I ve thrown out that markers where to piss and time when to piss. I mean really, do you really like that feature? You kill a cop, piss on him, who cares. That's the reality, who hunts you for pissing on a dead p.. wink.gif Anyways, I have driving like a passenger, locking the car, petrol(your whole version from 3.1, all markers and stuff, taking hookers on a spin and care about the petrol is great, for me anyways), unlocking, giventake(it doesnt work so good, I dont know if you made it work in newer versions, I like it, having a homie kicking the cop with a bat is great), ejector(parachute in all planes, my version). In fact whole mapinit thread. Tirefix, somewhat shortened, no need to show me that bar.. I've taken the hook the car on packer mod from driver mod and unhooking the trailer from the truck also. And I have smoke and drink. Whenever I want I take(not pick it up) a cigar or a bottle of alcohol and smoke or drink, I took it from get high and drunk. I corrected it a bit, that large smoke coming out of CJ i s like having a portable woods on fire not a smoker, and those silly slowing down of the game(weed, when I see my man smoking and enjoying while pig is trying to arrest him in a locked up car, its like I m stoned too, well sometimes I.. wink.gif, no need for slowing down). Ammunations from driver mod. Perfect for killing, minigun. Great for crowded areas. That is my mod. And yes, its stable, and I can hot coffee a girl so its not patched. I had also helicopter and cardriver from driver mod, but I got to a conclusion that having additional two or three external scripts really adds to the chance of crashing. You are programmers, not me, you know if that is true. Anyways, I saw some of your announcements. Some are cool some are stupid as hell. Sorry, but having CJ rollerblading is like having a king of your neighbourhood trying to tight his behind to look great for the guys. ?? Look around yourself how many wiseguys you see rollerblading, paragliding or stuff like that. WORKING ON THE MUSCLES, THATS the stuff. Make a mod where you really have to care about your muscles, and "I will f..k you up look". My friend, who is now in jail for playing sa in reality wink.gif), told me he got hook up like in real life to take care of the looks of cj, hehehe. Smoke a pot to ease yourself up, some cops are alive cause of that. Where is cocain. Where are pimps you dont like. Have you seen taxi driver or casino? How about you have 2 stars and some cop wants a 100 dollars to stop chasing you, or something like that. Why dont you make new missions, something like "comming up in the world" owning a casino, taking care about something or something like that, kill the president, senator, bomb that bastard. Blowjobs from hookers in car(I have blowjob mod but blowjob anywhere with anyone, not in car, I didnt include it, my relatives are playing, and they are young, they can press the wrong button, I can explain smoke, but blowjob is tougher, I know its banned for under 18 so what, its a freaking game) when you pick them up. Raping(I've made something like that, but I cant end the animation, not programmer), killing, torching, torchering a cop, necrophillia(just kiddng), robbing that store and killing them all shoppers. MAKE SOMETHING LIKE THAT. If I did a mod the people were begging you for 3 years, petrol with smoke and drink, why dont you do just what I did and give us that? It took me couple of months to learn something. Its couple of minnutes for you, but hell no. You have to do something not seen. Like this. Why DO you want to buy a car or a bike!? If I wanted to play a game where I buy a car, I would find myself a job. And those creditcards are annoying. GOD..MN BEGGAR HAS A CREDITCARD(yes shure with -400 dollars, but hey!!). Its like wonderland in america, not reality. PLEASE, look at my suggestions, f..k and drug(no need for crack tomworld), and some loving, hehehe and thats back to reality.

Anyways, sorry for this burst out of steam, dont be angry, its just critics but if you get angry, hahaha, youre just a buster to me.

CHEERS!

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Gouveia
Hello!

This is my first post.[...]Anyways, sorry for this burst out of steam, dont be angry, its just critics but if you get angry, hahaha, youre just a buster to me.

CHEERS!

OMFG what the hell man

Organize your post. I can't look at it

Try to make questions in this format:

 

1-Question2-Question3-Question4-Question

Got it?

 

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Deathdime

 

Hello!

This is my first post. I've been reading this forum up until march last year when I stopped reading it. The reason or reasons were this: B2R crashes down so many times its not so annoying, its silly. But that was 3.1, I don't know about 3.2, 4.0, or whatever. What I also didnt like about this mod is that stupid mission master. I don't know, I just don't like it. It bores the game. For me. Just saying. And when you race one of the races in LS, your car sta...

I'm sure that everyone at B2R know that you are just trying to give some constructive criticism... But remember the golden rule, if your not part of the solution, your part of the problem. whatsthat.gif

What do I mean? These are modders, scripters, modelers, and writers all working for free. They do not gain any real profit from doing any of this work, which is why I think that it takes some time to get releases and bug fixes out from time to time. I know I would be more enthused to complete more projects if I was getting paid for it.

Secondly, dont doubt their skills. Scripting is kind of like time traveling with an ak47 back to the civil war... Something else is gonna f*ck up in the process. When you script mods and such, trying not to interfere with so many other task's that are running at the same time can start to get aggravating, which is why I am more into modeling , that way I know if I change something, I am mostly just changing what I want to change.

And finally Its all for you guys wink.gif look back in posts and such, most mods that were added , scripted were requests that came from the fans or the makers them selves.

 

 

*edit*

One thing I will absolutely agree with is the credit cards. Would it be possible to have credit cards only spawn from certain ped groups? lets say the business group ? Becuase killing a hick out in the country and getting $200,000 Dollars from them... I dont think they would be driving a tractor with $200,000 tounge2.gif

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Midnightz

asanovic7: Won't waste my time with nonsense, sorry. No one is forcing you to play any version of B2R. Don't like it? Don't use it. wink.gif

 

Deathdime: You are the B2R diplomat. wink.gif I mentioned this before, I would prefer to restrict credit cards to the cities (LS, SF, LV) only. Sound good? - tell tomworld10. Apparently R* liked credit cards too because they included them in GTAIV. icon14.giflol.gif

 

[email protected]: If you want to take offense at all the built-in stereotypes SA includes, don't play the game. No GTA game is for the overly sensitive and politically correct. It is obvious satire intended to joke about everyone, at everyone's expense - expect the same from B2R.

 

 

EDIT: Whoops, just noticed the link to the screwdriver - thank you. smile.gif

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It is obvious satire intended to joke about everyone, at everyone's expense - expect the same from B2R.

How would you know about satire when you don't even recognise irony? If you spent more time on the mod and less time proselytising to people on the forums you might get it working properly!

 

Incidentally some people do not wish to be decieved

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Deathdime

 

It is obvious satire intended to joke about everyone, at everyone's expense - expect the same from B2R.

How would you know about satire when you don't even recognise irony? If you spent more time on the mod and less time proselytising to people on the forums you might get it working properly!

Incidentally some people do not wish to be decieved

 

First off, I come from MI, And yeah farmers are poor here, so is everyone else.

Secondly, was it not just established if you didn't like the mod, or how it is made, to just not play it?

Why dont you just let them do their work, wait a little while and see what comes out aye?

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valio18

I don't want to read whole post. So, is this mod already released?

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Deathdime

Yes, there is a 3.2V release right now smile.gif

Has some bugs but if you know when to save, you will be fine.

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Yes, there is a 3.2V release right now smile.gif

Has some bugs but if you know when to save, you will be fine.

Give me a link to download

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valio18

I can't download b2r both rapid and mega upload

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Deathdime

Mega upload is tricky, but if you read the whole page, then its a little bit simpler, you have to click FREE download then wait for the timer.

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[email protected]: You have a lot of nerve speaking to me that way. B2R is not my mod but I am the only person right now who has the time and the interest in repairing and developing it. If you paid any attention to this topic, you would realize that not only have I been working on it, I've been SCRATCH rewriting a new version. You'd do well to hold your tongue regarding matters you know nothing about... multi-tasking for example, I realize it's difficult for you to imagine that anyone can hold a conversation and code at the same time... but I assure you, it is possible. tounge.gif

 

Nobody here, none of the authors past to present need prove anything to you. The fact that YOU are whining at me (the one person who IS and HAS BEEN fixing the bugs) - THAT, my friend... is extremely ironic.

 

P.S. Coincidentally, you misinterpret that phrase... and re-affirm it's accuracy. lol.gif

 

Peace, love & go whine @somebody who cares,

-Midnightz

 

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Deathdime

I was playing the other day and something in particular hit me like a brick. I was over by cluckin bell , and had some of my gang members recruited. As I entered the store, in the back of my mind I believed they would find the courage to finally open a door. To my dismay it was not that way.

What am I getting to? Well in Vice city there was a possibility for robbing stores, a store would be robbed , cash would fall, you would take it and get stars, longer you held the store up, more stars. I went into the store, and aimed my weapon and the guy just stood there... with his hands in the air.

Now I remember one of the first missions, Ryder attempted to rob the pizza joint... which leads me to believe that maybe R* had intended to have the possibility of robbing stores but may of took it out and put in the home invasion. Home invasion is fun and all... but its kinda a different experience to be held up in a store, with a bunch of gang members, trying to rob it.

Maybe waves of cops would start to infiltrate the store also... And there would be a timer, to record the length of the robbery. I believe that cops can already spawn inside the interiors (food places), so the work would be in getting those gang members to transfer over, and then write out a hold-up script to make a little moola.

The thing that would have to be kept in mind though would be trying to keep it challenging and not Over rewarding... To much money is an easy way to just buy everything you wish for in the game.

 

This just an idea that I had in my mind for some time, take it , leave it, do what ya want smile.gif

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In some stores (ex. ZIP), you can smash the cash register and $$$ falls out. I too, believe R* considered including the robbing of stores but never got around to it. This been on my to do list for awhile. I'll count you as another vote for it. One of the things I need to include are recruited homies entering/exiting whatever interiors CJ goes in/out.

 

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Midnightz

 

There's nothing wrong with my latin: Brevior saltare cum deformibus mulieribus est vita

LOL Am I supposed to be offended? I said nothing about your latin but there's definitely something wrong with your comprehension. Thanks for the additional proof: You want to and continue to deceive yourself over and over again.

 

This topic is for B2R and related discussion. You have no business flaming B2R mod authors, their beta testers OR ANYONE for that matter. Yet this is all you've done thus far.

 

Excuse you, the rest of us would prefer getting back to THE TOPIC.

 

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Deathdime
Excuse you, the rest of us would prefer getting back to THE TOPIC.

So who likes mac + cheese with honey mustard!? anyone!? Fine then Il eat alone! nervous.gif

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ey deathdime

You are right, if you are not the part of solution, you are part of the problem. Yes, I agree with that. But.. The reason why i wrote that post was in fact, well b2r is great mod, I like it, but, as I said I didn't read it for a while and then I wanted to read what's new and puff.. Again people ask for smoke and drink. That's like 3 years since this mod started the most wanted wish. So, whether you agree with me or not whatever stuff I've said(english isnt my native tongue so right wrong time don't know), you must agree, that wish was not solved. I saw spaceeinstein's mod, it has everything, but too much everything. It's not it. b2r is better. So, midnightz, my eager young woman, don't be so pi''ed off. But some players are old enuf to drink and smoke wink.gif. Just kiding.

 

p.s. New petrol mod is great, except for changing colors, although that can be fun. It's from spacey boy, right? I don't know why you left bikes and hellacopters don't depend on fuel. There must be a reason.

p.s.s. deathdime, "kalas" is a great thing to take to war wink.gif

p.s.s.s. Since you all started the latin war well I have one for all you players modders children and whatever

Omne animal post coitum triste nisi mullier gallusque..

 

cheers!

 

EDIT: So you don't say I'm really an player hater, here is an idea. Why you enter a car, take a hostage, he drives you for two streets and comes out? I tried to combine cardriver mod with passenger but it's hard, Ringo, it's really hard. It's a suggestion. Also, backup for vigilante mission. It's so nice to see cops killing pigs. And vigilante, only with cop's uniform. A couple of suggestions. Sorry for the long post.

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Deathdime

 

p.s. New petrol mod is great, except for changing colors, although that can be fun. It's from spacey boy, right? I don't know why you left bikes and hellacopters don't depend on fuel. There must be a reason.

p.s.s. deathdime, "kalas" is a great thing to take to war wink.gif

p.s.s.s. Since you all started the latin war well I have one for all you players modders children and whatever

Omne animal post coitum triste nisi mullier gallusque..

 

cheers!

 

EDIT: So you don't say I'm really an player hater, here is an idea. Why you enter a car, take a hostage, he drives you for two streets and comes out? I tried to combine cardriver mod with passenger but it's hard, Ringo, it's really hard. It's a suggestion. Also, backup for vigilante mission. It's so nice to see cops killing pigs. And vigilante, only with cop's uniform. A couple of suggestions. Sorry for the long post.

No hard feelings biggrin.gif just remember that its the people who put in the scripts that do the work. So if they choose not to imply smoking and drinking, give them some time to deal with a little more important details ... Like crashes and such. If you want a perfect example of good effort, look at GTA United. That mod seemed as though once ya play it, theres no way to fix all the crashes.

Ashcratt claimed he had all the Crash bugs fixed and squashed, has implemented a ferry service and is working on a lock system. What do I mean? Fix the big problems first, then worry bout the big ol' corner stone features.

 

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ey deathdime

You are right, if you are not the part of solution, you are part of the problem. Yes, I agree with that. But.. The reason why i wrote that post was in fact, well b2r is great mod, I like it, but, as I said I didn't read it for a while and then I wanted to read what's new and puff.. Again people ask for smoke and drink. That's like 3 years since this mod started the most wanted wish. So, whether you agree with me or not whatever stuff I've said(english isnt my native tongue so right wrong time don't know), you must agree, that wish was not solved. I saw spaceeinstein's mod, it has everything, but too much everything. It's not it. b2r is better. So, midnightz, my eager young woman, don't be so pi''ed off. But some players are old enuf to drink and smoke wink.gif. Just kiding.

 

p.s. New petrol mod is great, except for changing colors, although that can be fun. It's from spacey boy, right? I don't know why you left bikes and hellacopters don't depend on fuel. There must be a reason.

p.s.s. deathdime, "kalas" is a great thing to take to war wink.gif

p.s.s.s. Since you all started the latin war well I have one for all you players modders children and whatever

Omne animal post coitum triste nisi mullier gallusque..

 

cheers!

 

EDIT: So you don't say I'm really an player hater, here is an idea. Why you enter a car, take a hostage, he drives you for two streets and comes out? I tried to combine cardriver mod with passenger but it's hard, Ringo, it's really hard. It's a suggestion. Also, backup for vigilante mission. It's so nice to see cops killing pigs. And vigilante, only with cop's uniform. A couple of suggestions. Sorry for the long post.

Read the topic and answer your own questions. You will learn that you are incorrect and very mistaken... in every assumption. Multi famam, conscientiam pauci verentur. Vir prudens non contra ventum mingit. Quocunque nomine, sapere aude. Ipsa qvidem pretivm virtvs sibi.

 

 

Why you enter a car, take a hostage, he drives you for two streets and comes out?

I'm replying to this in case someone else is also wondering... Why? Because the Passenger Mod assigns the driver to the nearest vehicle path. Either the path you keep getting is shorter -OR- you are jumping onto it more towards the end of it. Try different locations.

 

-Midnightz

 

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asanovic7

heheheeheheh midnightz hehehsahah latin isn't my native tongue either, but can u do latin when u re drunk?

wink.gif) I will not piss against the wind no more..

 

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heheheeheheh midnightz hehehsahah latin isn't my native tongue either, but can u do latin when u re drunk?

wink.gif) I will not piss against the wind no more..

Good, there sick of cleaning up the mess.

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Deathdime

Anyways! How's the patch going? tounge.gif

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